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Hope my little input could help to prevent it from playing just only 3 to 4 seconds.
I am using Helmi AKU3.5 v1.3 now, but from all the threads, it seems to be a common problem in many versions of the ROM.
For my situation, normally immediately after soft reset, WMP plays with no problem.
There is a little Apps inside Helmi AKU3.5 v1.3 called "Close Apps". This problem will come 100% after I run "Close Apps" to regain memory.
To prevent it and to avoid recovery reset, I will only run 'Close Apps" with WMP still runnning.
My guess is "Close Apps" clear something important for WMP.
Let us know if there is another way to reproduce the problem.
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hey!!
i don't know bout this problem but i had a similar problem with the " close app" application in the 3.3 rom
when i tried to run ie after running this app it would automatically close after loading the page (not the homepage).
P.S Since you have crossbow installed could u do me a favour??? i wanted to see how a couple of themes i have made look in crossbow...if i send you one of them could you send me the screenshot???
Hi guys.
Actually I do not use WMP almost at all because I prefer other players, so I never experienced this problem but....
I suggest you to use oxios hibernate instead of closeapps. Hibernate does not close any running apps but releases ram which can be still occupied after a closed app. Besides hibernate I often check the hidden processes with iTaskmanager (part of Helmi's ROMs but you can get it separately) and often found that there are some processes useless at the moment e.g. voicecmd.exe (can eat 2 megs) poutlook, tmail, etc.
I guess if you use hibernate you will avoid 3 sec problem of WMP... not 100% sure...
Brgds
fallenczar said:
hey!!
i don't know bout this problem but i had a similar problem with the " close app" application in the 3.3 rom
when i tried to run ie after running this app it would automatically close after loading the page (not the homepage).
P.S Since you have crossbow installed could u do me a favour??? i wanted to see how a couple of themes i have made look in crossbow...if i send you one of them could you send me the screenshot???
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My is AKU3.5, not crossbow.
The crossbow theme does not look too good, as I do not like dirty green colour, reminds me of the army uniform.
There is quite a couple of screen shots already in this forum, just search and you see plenty.
To have crossbow look, you do not need to install crossbow, search again it this forum, you will find some crossbow *.tsk files. copy it into the \windows directory and you can select it in the Today.
.dredd. said:
Hi guys.
Actually I do not use WMP almost at all because I prefer other players, so I never experienced this problem but....
I suggest you to use oxios hibernate instead of closeapps. Hibernate does not close any running apps but releases ram which can be still occupied after a closed app. Besides hibernate I often check the hidden processes with iTaskmanager (part of Helmi's ROMs but you can get it separately) and often found that there are some processes useless at the moment e.g. voicecmd.exe (can eat 2 megs) poutlook, tmail, etc.
I guess if you use hibernate you will avoid 3 sec problem of WMP... not 100% sure...
Brgds
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Thanks, I will try.
But 'close app' way to produce this problem may not be the only way.
Looks like I do not see this problem after using Hibernate.
I use the HTC Task Manager provided in Jwrights 2.06/08 Crossbow ROM and it works really well... I have seen posts about this problem and it does seem to be the ''close app" that causes the issue.
I've had my Tilt 2 for several weeks now and for some reason, I cannot seem to have more than one app open at the same time. As soon as I open a second program, it kills whatever else was running.
Does anyone else have this problem or know how to fix it? I have Auto Kill disabled...
Help!?
It also happens with my Hermes and Raphael..
My Hermes (Dopod 838 pro) running official WM6 ROM
My Raphael (HTC Touch Pro) running stock WM6.1 ROM (Version 1.9)
It's a big problem, I can't keep my Twitter,downloader, and Messenger app to run at the background..
silverfoxx said:
I've had my Tilt 2 for several weeks now and for some reason, I cannot seem to have more than one app open at the same time. As soon as I open a second program, it kills whatever else was running.
Does anyone else have this problem or know how to fix it? I have Auto Kill disabled...
Help!?
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So let's say you open File Explorer. You press the Windows button. Now you open Word Mobile and make a new document. Now press the Windows button and go to Home. It still says you closed everything in the HTC Task Manager?
If so, that's weird... looks like you bought yourself an iPhone with a keyboard!
For some unknown reason Windows Mobile 6.x will only run a maximum of 32 processes at one time no matter how much RAM is free. This includes all the basic phone etc that's running.
Clever eh ?
That's some amazing forward thinking Microsoft did. It obviously didn't occur to them that someone might come along and release a device with a faster processor and a load of RAM.
Find yourself a process manager program, not the HTC taskmanager. While typing this I had a quick look and I am running 28.
As I recall, WinMo will close apps if it runs low on memory so the first thing I would do is reboot the phone and bring up task manager and see how much free memory you have left. Then keep watching memory as you do what you normally do with the phone. It's not how WinMo is supposed to act by default and my phone doesn't act that way so it's either an app, how you use it or a hardware fault.
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As I recall, WinMo will close apps if it runs low on memory so the first thing I would do is reboot the phone and bring up task manager and see how much free memory you have left. Then keep watching memory as you do what you normally do with the phone. It's not how WinMo is supposed to act by default and my phone doesn't act that way so it's either an app, how you use it or a hardware fault.
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Lots of threads on this, and no, it's NOT memory. It's processes.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=575663
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=600210
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=600356
Is there any solution to break this limit?
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For some unknown reason Windows Mobile 6.x will only run a maximum of 32 processes at one time no matter how much RAM is free. This includes all the basic phone etc that's running.
Clever eh ?
That's some amazing forward thinking Microsoft did. It obviously didn't occur to them that someone might come along and release a device with a faster processor and a load of RAM.
Find yourself a process manager program, not the HTC taskmanager. While typing this I had a quick look and I am running 28.
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Is there any solution to break this limit (32 processes)..
Not seen one. If you do plz give me a shout ! Don't even know if it'd be possible. To me it seems like it could be a Kernel level issue.
How can I see all running processes?
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How can I see all running processes?
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install dotfred's taskmanager.
I use everapp.. http://www.modaco.com/content/pocke...app-v0-2-application-persistence-under-wm6-x/
it installs a service which runs when u boot up ur phone and u just add w/e programs u want to everapp and it'll keep them running in the bg..great for opera 10 which never stays open for me
try everapp, http://www.modaco.com/content/pocke...app-v0-2-application-persistence-under-wm6-x/
Hi i have tried on Omnia Pro B7610 to avoid auto-closing of apps but the result is not satisfactorie, as everapp is also stopped and besides i cant launch the app (excel or word) from the shorcut after the taskmanager autoclose these. If you have some usefull information regarding this issue i will appreciate it.
Hi all, after install WM6.5, it seem the RAM is always on high consumption. even I cancel the running program, the ram still not back to lower ratio. I have tried install some FreeRam program for WM6.1 but it seems doesn't work on WM6.5, anyone have new freeRAM program for WM6.5?
HTCAddicts.com's CleanRAM works fine in WM 6.5 (www.htcaddicts.com)
Hi,
Unfortunatly it does not work as the only thing it is doing is closing and restarting apps.
You can do this manually with pretty same results.
But the problem of WM6.5 or HTC Sense or whatever I don't know is Memory Leak concerning GUI handling. Take a look a gwes.exe memory consumption at start and then at the end of a regular use day with all apps closed. GWES.EXE will take twice memory than it took when you soft resetted.
And I think nobody has find a way yet to get rid of this problem.
Regards,
Thomas
tlefeuvre said:
Hi,
Unfortunatly it does not work as the only thing it is doing is closing and restarting apps.
You can do this manually with pretty same results.
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Regards,
Thomas
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oh, I did mean to use cleanRAM manually (actually, mode 3) ... guess you're technically right, tho
Thanks! I think use this better than nothing. About the final solution, it may need to wait the HTC update ROM to settle this problem.... so sad!!
try to make the shared memory smaller
this problem is caused by the shared memory.
HKLM/ Software /HTC / Resloader
look for that registry setting and recalculate it to half. that might solve your ram issues. I had to do it with my Kaiser running M2D. Fixed my problem when I set it to 3mb (1024 x 3 = 3mb.) You need to make sure that the math is correct so that you are not wasting any sectors. 1mb increments works well.
I would reserve at least 10mb for TF3D as opposed to the 3mb for M2D.
Use this at your own risk and make sure you backup first, in case you will have to do a hard reset.
also, in order to see actual memory usage for processes you should use the MS task manager, not the DF TaskManager. MS gives you accurate readings, while DF lets you close processes.
I just tried setting it to zero. no harmfull efects.
thanks for your advise, I don't know how to caclulate this but task manager could help. may I ask when can I found the task manager?
hi guys!
is it possible to improve the multitasking performance? I often use twitter (moTweets) and Opera and Palringo simultainously, which unfortunatly always causes an automatic shutdown of all the applications. Running just one app at the same time is quite annoying. Is it possible to optimize this? (ROM: DeepShining, Manila 2.5)
thanks for your thoughts!
Opera 10 is a RAM killer.
Try Advanced Config 3.3 (you should be able to find it here or if you google it), go to HTC Task Manager - AutoKill - Disabled. HTC Task Manager will stop automatically close tasks to free up memory. Or decrease the default threshold. This may cause your device to get laggy or even freeze, but it worth a try.
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Try Advanced Config 3.3 (you should be able to find it here or if you google it), go to HTC Task Manager - AutoKill - Disabled. HTC Task Manager will stop automatically close tasks to free up memory. Or decrease the default threshold. This may cause your device to get laggy or even freeze, but it worth a try.
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Hi, I tried all kind of tweaks, but nothing really works. As soon as I open mail or a twitter client, the browser shuts down itself quickly. Maybe there is a specific rom, that is very handy for multitasking?
Uninstall opera 10
I don't know why people insist on using that version but it effectively renders your tp2 a non multitasking device with all the resources it eats up. 9.7 or even 9.5 is way better for the tp2 (and faster imo). version 10 seems to have been written for a desktop type of device for the amount of ram it consumes.
People are delusional and want to use it thinking its good. but its really not.
I´m using Opera Mobile 10 beta2 without any issues, yes it eats RAM, but I have plenty so no lags here.
I have tested several browsers and Opera is the best so far, so it´s ok if needs more RAM to run
orb3000 said:
I´m using Opera Mobile 10 beta2 without any issues, yes it eats RAM, but I have plenty so no lags here.
I have tested several browsers and Opera is the best so far, so it´s ok if needs more RAM to run
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I dont have a problem running opera 10 either. Its when I try to run Opera 10 and something else that I run into issues. Apperently you and I are using the same device with the same specs. I did everything suggested in your opera thread and still it eats up around 90% of the resources. If I try to open say two tabs and another program, thats when the memory issues begin. Also, it seems enourmously slower than the previsous version even on wifi. The load bar seems to sit at 50% for ever and a day while the same site on 9.7 is loaded fully in a few seconds. I firmly beliive 10 comes with a placebo effect built in.
The UI is nice, but the browser is not for a rhodium by any means. Not unless you want to turn off tf3d or run JUST the browser.
Same here, using 10 b2, no problems at all, is my main browser. Also using SPB MobileShell or Titanium helps freeing memory.
I'm using Opera 10 beta 2 and palringo both at the same time no issues, also pocketwiter with no issues so possibly is it the twitter app that is causing the problems?
I m having the same issue with both 9.7 and 10 beta 2. I cannot let Opera and IE both running even when the autokill is set to off.
I think it's not the opera's problem cause I cannot let TVUplayer and core player running together either.
TVUPlayer should be running in the background dealing with the stream data while the core player is playing in the foreground but TVU always got killed in the background.
I think TP2 doesn't have enough ram for multitasking when manila is running.
I'm fairly certain this is a ROM problem. I've experienced the same thing with all ROMs that have Sense 2.5. My applications kept getting autokilled.
This happens rarely with WinMo 6.5+Sense 2.1 ROMs. But sometimes, it does and it's very irritating.
This is one of the main reasons why I've "downgraded" back to stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. My applications never gets autokilled now. I've consistently done the following things simultaneously with no problems:
-Listen to music using the Music tab in TF3D
-Browse web using Opera 9.5
-Chat using MSN Messenger
-All while having the following applications opened: Messaging, Notes, Resco File Explorer, Calculator, Excel Mobile
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I'm fairly certain this is a ROM problem. I've experienced the same thing with all ROMs that have Sense 2.5. My applications kept getting autokilled.
This happens rarely with WinMo 6.5+Sense 2.1 ROMs. But sometimes, it does and it's very irritating.
This is one of the main reasons why I've "downgraded" back to stock WinMo 6.1 ROM. My applications never gets autokilled now. I've consistently done the following things simultaneously with no problems:
-Listen to music using the Music tab in TF3D
-Browse web using Opera 9.5
-Chat using MSN Messenger
-All while having the following applications opened: Messaging, Notes, Resco File Explorer, Calculator, Excel Mobile
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+1 on the stability and smoothness of 6.1! I honestly can't remember the last time I ran into a memory shortage, at least not to the point where anything autokilled. I often leave opera (10b3) open just to save myself the initial load time whenever I want to look something up real quick (which is often), and it's never kept me from having all the other stuff running that I usually have open:
WMP
Total Commander
File Explorer
messaging (always with active use)
calculator
and often google maps as well
The point of all this is...the cause of the issue for the OP (and many others) is just the resource consumption of the later models of WM and TF3D~Sense
How many of these threads really must exist?
It's PROCESSES, not ram... Unless you guys are doing something asinine, my Tilt 2 right now has 88M ram free, I never see less than 40M free, and I run a LOT of stuff, PocketWeather, GPSToday, a cell location upload program, plus FlexMail, Palringo, S2U2, all the while doing stuff like Twitter, FIM, PIE, Opera, whatever.
What gets you is processes. Look at some tool which will show you how many current running processes there are, I'd think any task manager can, I use MemMaid. 31 is the maximum for Windows Mobile, and I have heard when it exceeds 28 it starts killing.
My Tilt 2 had something like 25 processes at boot at first, with a few programs installed.. I had to do a bit of tweaking, but now I have it down to 22 with all of the above normal stuff running, and now I rarely have a problem with programs exiting.
khaytsus said:
How many of these threads really must exist?
It's PROCESSES, not ram... Unless you guys are doing something asinine, my Tilt 2 right now has 88M ram free, I never see less than 40M free, and I run a LOT of stuff, PocketWeather, GPSToday, a cell location upload program, plus FlexMail, Palringo, S2U2, all the while doing stuff like Twitter, FIM, PIE, Opera, whatever.
What gets you is processes. Look at some tool which will show you how many current running processes there are, I'd think any task manager can, I use MemMaid. 31 is the maximum for Windows Mobile, and I have heard when it exceeds 28 it starts killing.
My Tilt 2 had something like 25 processes at boot at first, with a few programs installed.. I had to do a bit of tweaking, but now I have it down to 22 with all of the above normal stuff running, and now I rarely have a problem with programs exiting.
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Are you sure about this.. i donth think it's the case.. it is because of the memory.. because i use fdcsoft task manager.. it shows that there are 15 processes running... but still if i open opera, palringo, gsplayer,sms and a new tab .. programs will start closing .. so if you calculate i only have 15 + 4 processes.. it's waaaay less than 31.. are there any hidden processes which i am not seeing??.. which task manger are you suing to get the no of processes??
I've also noticed that under 40 MB RAM, Opera Mobile won't even start... currently I have 17 processes runing in fdc (two of tem being Opera and fdc - just opened, so basically only 15)
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Are you sure about this.. i donth think it's the case.. it is because of the memory.. because i use fdcsoft task manager.. it shows that there are 15 processes running... but still if i open opera, palringo, gsplayer,sms and a new tab .. programs will start closing .. so if you calculate i only have 15 + 4 processes.. it's waaaay less than 31.. are there any hidden processes which i am not seeing??.. which task manger are you suing to get the no of processes??
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15 seems very low with programs running, so I'm thinking you aren't seeing the total number of processes. As I said, I use MemMaid
I use DF Task Manager & Memmaid Both have different benefits.
I also have the same issues. If I load Opera it closes everything else.
With nothing running except Manilla I onlky have 60Mb left of the original RAM. I have experimented with SPB. I if use this I start with 90Mb free.
I have tried all sorts of Manila tweaks and memory hacks to free up memory from manilla.
Nothing works.
Looks like I might have to find a ROM with 6.1 instead of 6.5.5 .
Just did a test. nothing but WM6.5, Manilla & Opera 10 running. 18Mb left. something wrong with this picture!!!
Try changing the pagepool to like 12. But you're going to have to do this before a flash. Read up on it if your interested.
...it's driving me absolutely CRAZY! My applications quit all the time when I move away from them.
Example:
I start up my phone (cold boot)
I open up Opera and go to a web page (google/m, for example)
I hit the Windows key and go open another application (like OneNote)
I hit the Windows key and I click on the Opera icon, and instead of opening the running app, the app has already quit and it's reopening from scratch...and I've lost my place
This is happening for all of my applications, and it's really frustrating when using something like Office Communicator for work. I need to be online in the Office Communicator IM application, but it keeps quitting the app! I check task manager, and it seems like the device can only run one app at a time...even though my memory isn't full (the RAM or storage).
I've reset my phone back to factory defaults with Windows Mobile 6.5 already to see if it had anything to do with an installed app.
...any ideas??
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...it's driving me absolutely CRAZY! My applications quit all the time when I move away from them.
Example:
I start up my phone (cold boot)
I open up Opera and go to a web page (google/m, for example)
I hit the Windows key and go open another application (like OneNote)
I hit the Windows key and I click on the Opera icon, and instead of opening the running app, the app has already quit and it's reopening from scratch...and I've lost my place
This is happening for all of my applications, and it's really frustrating when using something like Office Communicator for work. I need to be online in the Office Communicator IM application, but it keeps quitting the app! I check task manager, and it seems like the device can only run one app at a time...even though my memory isn't full (the RAM or storage).
I've reset my phone back to factory defaults with Windows Mobile 6.5 already to see if it had anything to do with an installed app.
...any ideas??
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I would use the taskmanager (in the top right on your taskbar) to go back to open apps, it will bring them back up whereever you left off. Hitting the icon in the start menu runs the app again, so it's not unusual that it wipes whatever you were doing when that happens
Sorry...wrong answer!
Sorry, but you're incorrect in your evaluation and statements.
First of all, Windows Mobile 6.5 doesn't have that drop-down. There's a CAB file that has been posted which installs that function.ality again, but that's not part the problem. I originally had the cab installed when I flashed with the new version of WM, because I like that functionality, but I thought that it actually might be the culprit so I uninstalled it, and then ended up wiping my device clean because it didn't help.
Second of all, "clicking" an application that's running in the background does *not* restart the app or force it to quit/refresh. Clicking on the shortcut to a running app brings up the currently running instance of the app (try it out for yourself). To show this, open a game or app, then hit the "end" hard button to take you back to the home screen, and click on the app's icon. Should always take you back to the running app (unless the app quits in the meantime, as with my situation listed above)
Let me explain again:
- I click on an app and it opens (let's use IE Mobile for example)
- I open task manager and see my first app running
- I hit the "end" key, or the Windows key and open another app
- I open task manager, and my first app has quit, leaving only my second app
(you can omit the two steps of opening task manager, and it still happens)
I can replicate this again and again.
Another example:
- I open an e-mail with a link in it
- I click on the link, and it opens in Opera
- I click the "x" in the upper right (quick-tap) to "minimize" Opera
- The e-mail is now closed, and the messaging app has quit. Opera is all that's left
What rom are you using? Stock WM6.5 + Sense 2.5?
It closes your apps even if your memory isn't full. Thats "normal" WM behavior.
Install Advanced Configuration Tool, go to HTC Task Manager -> Disable Auto Kill.
Now let's take care of the WM closing "feature":
http://www.chainfire.eu/#/articles/68/AutoClosePatch_1_1_released/
Download and install Close Patch by Chainfire. I suggest that you install Ultra settings too.
PS If you are running a stock ROM of course I would recommend that you install a rom from one of great chiefs found here on xda. The roms have better memory management.
How much ram do you have available? Opera is a big memory hog and will quit if there isn't sufficient memory.
For multitasking i search for "spb alttab" a small cab you can install and everytime you open it, a box pops up with all the icons of open apps. Then i use Rhodium Keyboard Config to link the PTT button to the alttab app which makes multitasking painfully simple.
Maybe you should try that just incase your "tap-x to minimize" setting isn't holding.
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What rom are you using? Stock WM6.5 + Sense 2.5?
It closes your apps even if your memory isn't full. Thats "normal" WM behavior.
Install Advanced Configuration Tool, go to HTC Task Manager -> Disable Auto Kill.
Now let's take care of the WM closing "feature":
http://www.chainfire.eu/#/articles/68/AutoClosePatch_1_1_released/
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thanks so much for pointing me towards the close patch. trying it out now. sounds great. i have been having the same issues as described above even on custom roms (that don't even have htc task manager). but the 6.5.x roms that i like do have less free ram. i will try to post back in a day and say how it is working for me.
You're welcome
I had the same problem and installing chainfires patch seems to have fixed the problem.
Many thanks,
tovarish