Need help, unstable GSM signal Dopod P860 - Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking

Hi there,
I'm new in this forum and not yet an expert on all this items handled here. So maybe one of those great software guys can help me.
I got a present from my Chinese friend, it's a DOPOD P860 mobile branded for china mobile. As I'm german I tried to change the operating system to german or english. All those great tools worked fine for flashing procedure.
I tried original O2 ROM and some others like the one from Bepe. Also combined these with several Radio Rom. Operating system of the device works fine with nearly all of these Roms.
Problem remains:
The recognition level of the radio is low. As soon as I go into any building I will get a "no signal" message.
Is there anyone who can help me?
Thanks, wbr

i have the same problem
and STILL cant find a solution

I gave up to follow this.
I think it's impossible to solve this problem.
I already changed to Diamond 2 mobile.
wbr

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Vodafone V1620 (PH20B2)

Hi All,
I have looked all over the place but i can not find any rom updates for the Vodafone V1620 (PH20B2) Device - can anyone point me the the right place.
I have tested various files but i just keep getting errors and i don't want to make a paper weight out of my PDA just yet.
My PDA also has the qwerty keyboard for info.
Looking forward to a responce. Thanx in advance.
Pedro Goncalves said:
Hi All,
I have looked all over the place but i can not find any rom updates for the Vodafone V1620 (PH20B2) Device - can anyone point me the the right place.
I have tested various files but i just keep getting errors and i don't want to make a paper weight out of my PDA just yet.
My PDA also has the qwerty keyboard for info.
Looking forward to a responce. Thanx in advance.
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have read this ???
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_Upgrades
because this is a German ROM "CE Rom 1.40.01" Does it mean that the operation system will be in German? if so is it possiable to get an english version.
Thanx for your help.
because this is a German ROM "CE Rom 1.40.01" Does it mean that the operation system will be in German? if so is it possiable to get an english version.
Thanx for your help.
I'm getting ERROR 120: Country ID ERROR 44-44-45-45 with "gm_vodade_14001_206_11300_ship.exe" if it helps.
hanx for your help in advance.
Pedro Goncalves said:
I'm getting ERROR 120: Country ID ERROR 44-44-45-45 with "gm_vodade_14001_206_11300_ship.exe" if it helps.
hanx for your help in advance.
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used this tools
http://semrawut.net/indra9110/mda_ROM/upgrageNoId/UpgradeNoId.rar
put all the file: ms_.nbf/nk.nbf/radio_.nbf on that folder and put your BA to Bootloader and makesure activesync not active ... and then just start upgrade....
I'm getting ERROR 120: Country ID ERROR 44-44-45-45 with "gm_vodade_14001_206_11300_ship.exe" if it helps.
hanx for your help in advance.
Pedro Goncalves said:
Hi All,
I have looked all over the place but i can not find any rom updates for the Vodafone V1620 (PH20B2) Device - can anyone point me the the right place.
I have tested various files but i just keep getting errors and i don't want to make a paper weight out of my PDA just yet.
My PDA also has the qwerty keyboard for info.
Looking forward to a responce. Thanx in advance.
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Hi Pedro
If you ever get a solution that works PLEASE let me know.
I have one of these devices as well and the bloody thing keeps slipping into 'divert all calls' without any input from me.
Also poor Blue Tooth sound is REALLY annoying.
Robin
Hi indra9110,
I now get an error 123: Radio Image File Checksum Error.
Vodafone are bloody useless.
I have just spent 27 minutes on the phone with Vodafone trying to persuade them that they actually sell this phone and should support it.
The latest they have suggested is that they will replace my V1620 with a Qtec 9090!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What a waste of time and effort....
Robin
I did the same when they gave us the qtek 2020i, we had so many issues with the devices so they gave us these new ones and basically told us that there is no support available for it.
They will just keep replacing them then i guess.
Pedro,
Trying to help, but really confused...
You're in the UK, so I assume you got your V1620 from them. I'd never heard of that, so I typed it in their web search engine and it comes up with... nothing...
You list your device as a PH20B2. That's what I've got, and it's a Blue Angel, so replacing it with a QTek9090 is pointless as it's the same thing!
VF UK did rebadge the Blue Angel (aka QTek 9090) as the VPx, starting sometime around a year ago, but only users who berated their lack of a PDA strategy seemed to get one. As you can see, it still has never made their website, comes up as unknown.
For your info, if you go to the xda-developers Blue Angel site, use the QTek 9090 1.40 WWE ROM (which includes the 1.12 radio). I can confirm that that worked on my PH20B2.
One quirk I'll also alert you to is unlocking. First, check that your unit is indeed simlocked, as some weren't. Second, "maimach's" universal unlock code works with PH20B1's but not the (seemingly rarer) PH20B2's.
FYI - I'm having some difficulty with the 1.13 ROM update, but that's a minor irritation, and probably something I'm doing wrong.
Hope this helps.
br
Well I have a Vodafone box with Vodafone labels all over it and all the details say it is a V1620.
As did the brochure.
But talking to anyone at Vodaphone about it is a total waste of time.
The problem is I am not savy when it comes to these updates.
I need something REALLY simple that says 'install this' and it will all work.
I have not seen that yet for my device.
Oh it IS simlocked to Vodafone but I don't care as I am ON vodafone.
Robin
OK, first port of call is:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_1.40.00_Upgrade
Have a good read of the how to's... print 'em...
I selected the Qtek 1.40.147 download, as recommended by 'jbn' who gave me the confidence to do it (top bloke).
Just follow the instructions...
Make sure you back up everythin before you start as it wipes the PDA.
Also, write down the Vodafone GPRS/CSD settings etc. Saves a call to VF helpdesk...
Takes 10 mins. Well worthwhile...
Any yes, Vodafone UK did release a device they don't understand, are too afraid to market mainstream, don't have anyone to support, and don't provide updates... There's no sign of a specialist internal tech group, despite months of trying. Something to remember when your contract is up.
I'm not bitter, but I was a little bent out of shape till I discovered this site! Now I'm OK.
br
I GOT IT SORTED OUT :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I'LL POST IT WHEN I GET A LITTLE TIME I'M CREATING THE STEP BY STEP NOTES FOR IT.
Pedro,
Nice job. Before you go set the thing up just so, try and add the Radio 1.13 ROM, as it requires a hard reset. That will save you wasted time. Let me know how you get on. br
Okay have not done Radio 1.13 ROM yet oops, need to look into it.
Thanx for the reminder - any ideas on how to add it on it's own or do i have to do the whole process again?
You can just add it on its own - as in the Wiki link I sent you. I have not done this yet, as I made the mistake of putting everything back as I liked it after the 1.40, then realised the Radio ROM required a hard reset. Planning unfortunately really was the last phase of implementation!
br + good upgrading.
Thanks bossye....
There seems to be no plan by Vodafone to upgrade the VPx or V1620. Development of WM2003 does not have much priority compared with WM5 and there is precious little chance of them providing such an image for these models. Personally I am not yet convinced that we are missing anything there.
As noted, although these are the PH20B2 and differ slightly from other models that are more widely supported on this site (for example the SP unlocker does not at time of writing handle this model, but you can always ask), the generic images for iMate PDA2K and Qtek 9090 seem to be reasonably OK. I have tried both and currently run the PDA2K image. However I did not bother with the radio upgrade. I would only be interested in solving the problem of echo when used with Bluetooth car kits and this is not solved with that upgrade according to most users.
Pedro, the upgrade steps are documented in Wiki, including the use of the MaUpgradeUt_NoID.exe. This may save you some writing.
Hope this helps.
i can't upgrade the Radio 1.13 ROM or anything now it's not accepting anything, it just says congratulations and do a hard reset but everything remains the same.

Imate JJ ROM on O2 Xda Exec

I recently upgraded my O2 Xda Exec with the imate JJ rom (ROM Version: 1.30.82 WWE). But after a hard reset, I keep getting the following error:
Code:
Can not run on this device.
Upon investigating, I have discovered that the pocket arabizer cabs are installed during the customization after a hard reset. The similar rom (and the mentioned cabs) are working flawlessly on my other universal (imate jasjar) but on my O2, i keep getting the above error (i.e. can not run on this device). Is there a way to get the arabizer cabs to working nicely with my O2? Help in this regard would be appreciated.
help, please help. just say something. just kiddin'
hopefully, someone will come along and offer some valuable help.
T-Mobile is doing the same thing
My T-Mobile MDA Pro is doing the sme thing, it must be a way to tell the ROM that my T-Mobile is a JasJar...and I have used the "no_ID" and it did not work...
HELP
The imate roms (dont know if only from the Jasjar) have something builtin (don't know if cab file in extrom or in the rom itself) that only allows installation on imate jasjars. I think its some sort of list or program which checks the imei.
My observations so far are:
1. I have tried a custom extended rom, specially designed to avoid any cabs that might check the imei. This meant using a custom config file and autorun file from O2.
2. Only IMEI checking cab I have found so far is the 'Default_CAAVPPC_IMEI_2.6.80_range.cab' -- it is CA Antivirus software. I think it checks the IMEI.
3. I have tried with certain telco provided cabs (e.g. Mobily, Etisalat_UAE, etc.), to see if this works. It doesn't.
4. What does Install_tsk.exe do?
5. I have tried with different rom, but extended rom from imate JJ, but that doesn't work either.
6. Is there a way to fix this problem? I have seen this problem with several other people in this forum, but no concrete solution is found yet.
7. Can somebody else confirm that, indeed there is some IMEI checking in the imate roms?
8. being able to use the imate JJ roms on O2 indicates that there is no IMEI checking in the ROM itself.
9. Help is desparetly needed. :roll:
S.D.
JasJar on T-Mobile
I have tried everything since I got my T-Mobile and I installed like 100 ROMs trying to make my T-Mobile MDA Pro thinks that it is a JasJar...but no luck...
I have installed the WWE JasJar with no problem, I think the problem is installing the ME version with Arabizer and the AntiVirus software...and yes it does check the IMEI number...
My T-Mobile now officially an O2 but it seems like it refused to think that it is a localized version of the iMate JasJar.
Is there a way that makes my T-Mobile thinks it is a JasJar????
this seems to be an issue with a lot of people. can we have some experts to help us out?
IT CAN NOT BE DONE...SORRY
somedesi said:
this seems to be an issue with a lot of people. can we have some experts to help us out?
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I think that the "Arabizer" developers had locked in the software to work only on the iMates...with specific IMEI numbers, I have installed the WWE ROM on my T-Mobile and it works fine but when I install the ME ROM it does not work...
I AM GIVING UP...

Orange SPV M650 - Language problem - Help please!

My wife has just got an Orange SPV M650 and I need to change the language from French to English for her so she can use it properly (French is a problem and she thought she could change the language when she bought it). Is this possible? After a lengthy call to Orange France today, they tell me it should be possible but that I need to download the rom in English. But they couldn't tell me where to find the software to do this however...So far I have not had any luck. On other forums, it has been suggested that this just won't be possible.
Any help would be much appreciated!!
Thanks very much.
if you change the rom, you have plenty to choose from. what would you like? windows mobile 5 or 6? the official rom? or something "cooked" (which has more features)?
you are in the right place here. just search through the various threads about roms. be aware that some french spv m650 users had problems with gps once the upgraded to WM6. but there is a patch for that...
[email protected] said:
My wife has just got an Orange SPV M650 and I need to change the language from French to English for her so she can use it properly (French is a problem and she thought she could change the language when she bought it). Is this possible? After a lengthy call to Orange France today, they tell me it should be possible but that I need to download the rom in English. But they couldn't tell me where to find the software to do this however...So far I have not had any luck. On other forums, it has been suggested that this just won't be possible.
Any help would be much appreciated!!
Thanks very much.
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i've had that same problem before, i bought my spv m650 and thought it would be easy to change the language to english. i also tried to ask france telecom, but they're just a useless bunch of people. good thing i discovered this forum.
if you want, you can send me a private message and i could send the english roms that i used, and also the solution for the gps problem that one of the members in this forum made.
Hello,
I am using my bosses login as he has asked me to sort out his wife's phone for him.
Redski very very kindly sent me all the files that I would need to change the SPV M650 to English WM6 from the French (complete with the fixes for the gps).
Not owning a pda phone type thing myself this is all new territory for me. And a little scarey!!! If I turn the phone into a brick (do you like how I am learning the language?!)...well it doesn't bear thinking about as it's not my new toy.
Anyway, following the excellent instructions provided by redski I managed to use the uspl file to cid unlock the phone. I then tried to load the wm6 software redski sent me onto the phone. I keep getting an error message - the dos screen goes through the initializing stages and then the error message says can't find the file. So I thought I would look on this excellent website for more clues on wm6 software for this phone as I was loathe to keep bothering redski or anyone else for that matter.
But I have to admit defeat now and ask for more help please!
(I promise I have trawled through the threads looking for clues, even the excellent complete idiot's guide which is clear - it is the software to download I need guidance with).
I saw a download available on this site based on o2 german WM6. Is that the one to use? I think it was bepe's download??
I am using activesync correctly by the way and am only connecting as a guest just in case this makes a difference.
I am not stupid (honest!) just a little lost and confused so any help would be much appreciated from anyone who has the time to advise a newbie like me!!!
Thanks v much Emma
you can use any english ROM you like, i don't know why the one i sent didn't work, but have you tried looking through the threads that i sent you? you can also look through the WIKI page of artemis, and look for available english roms to download.
good luck!
Hi Redski
Just wanted to thank you again for your help. Just been able to download Meschle's new WM6 rom - all seems fine. Although I guess I may still need to download those gps fixes you sent me?
Thanks again!

WM6: Problem with recieving incoming calls

Since I installed WM6 I can´t recieve incoming calls. The phone lights up but nothing more, and when I click on the reception or phone symbol when it lights up it says "no service" (translated from Swedish).
It was also some problems with Active Sync 4.5 since I upgraded, but those problems might just be because I needed to reinstall it.
Does anybody please know how to fix this, otherwise tomorrow it will go to the repair-shop and I will lose 12 days and the order in my life. : (
The sim-card works on another phone and it worked with WM5, and I have tried hard reset and a reinstall of WM6, but the problem persists.
/Danne
Hi,
Did you try to install an offoicial version of WM6 or one of the cooked ones of this board? If the latter did you take all the necessary precautions first eg installing an upgraded bootloader, etc?
If you have not you may have bricked your phone.
Give us a bit more detail so we can see how we can help.
Cheers
WB
hello
I had the same problem when I upgrade to official WM6 HTC rom, the phone don't ring and I loose the network.
I solve the problem with flashing the radio rom with older version.
I put wm6 on my phone the first day I got it. so I don't really know if this was a problem b4 with wm5.
mine only seems to ring my end after about 8 rings from the dialer so I have to get it within 2 rings b4 voice mail kicks in. Ypu think the if I update the radio as well will that help me?
ps. sorry for hi-jacking your topic seemed along the same line.
the same problem with Bouygues telecom!
Hi guys,
vinzcoyote can you tell me which radio version you put? i'm having the same problem with Bouygues telecom after updrading to WM6
thanks for the help.
C. J.
are you sure the phne settings havnt got blown out?
generally after about a day after i flash on a rom i lose my carrier settigs and i get no connections. i use the cnguar provisioning cab that is floating arond to quickly fix this.
CrunchyGremlin said:
are you sure the phne settings havnt got blown out?
generally after about a day after i flash on a rom i lose my carrier settigs and i get no connections. i use the cnguar provisioning cab that is floating arond to quickly fix this.
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Sorry but i'm new to this: whats the "cnguar provisioning cab "?
thanks
CJ
Hi everybody,
Sorry it took a while to answer (sleeping time).
I installed the official version from HTC Europe and it it only the incoming calls that doesn´t work, I can call other people.
THE SOLUTIONS
Two solutions seems to have been offered (below) but I (as Curious Jack) are new to this so could you please elaborate of give a link where I can read more?
Vinzcoyote "I solve the problem with flashing the radio rom with older version"
CrunchyGremlin: cnguar provisioning cab
Thanks so far.
//D
Hi there
I had the same problem with mine after flashing to wm6 (but on a trinity)
Apparently there are 2 fixes:
1. Get a NEW sim , or
2. Flash radio rom back to an earlier version that was used with wm5.
Hope this helps
luckydip said:
Hi there
I had the same problem with mine after flashing to wm6 (but on a trinity)
Apparently there are 2 fixes:
1. Get a NEW sim , or
2. Flash radio rom back to an earlier version that was used with wm5.
Hope this helps
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Thanks!
Two concrete solutions.
One last question: I use a Swedish OS - do the radio roms that is under: "Extracted Radio ROMs for your Hermes" work for me? Or only Anglosaxian PDA:s?
/Dan
similar problem discussed here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1442269#post1442269
in fact Palm Treo 750 (HTC Cheetah) and Hermes are based on the same radio module.
latest Palm Treo WM6 Radio version: 1.47 (Qualcom)
What that Palm utility does is simply downgrading radio to earlier version. This might work for Hermes in bootloader mode as well.
My point is: no need to install hard sspl if one can downgrade to earlier version of radio with _official_ radio downgrade tool.
I will try later and report back.
update: Palm Radio downgrade tool picked up that device is incompatible. no luck so far.
Seems problem is with Bouygues Telecom
Hi Guys,
Got the exact same problem with Bouygues Telecom. I put a Orange Sim card and it is working so I assume the issue comes from Bouygues Telecom.
So that to check, are the french guys all on Bouygues Telecom or are you using other Telco operators?
Frederic
SOLVED : WM6 & HTC Tytn & Bouygues Telecom now working
Guys,
to make it work, you need to flash ROM Radio 1.38 on top of Windows Mobile 6.
ROM Radio 1.38 can be finded at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_ExtractedRadioRoms
what version did you use? There are few of them listed on that page:
1.38.00.01
1.38.00.10
1.38.30.10

Softbank Japan ROM

Hi everyone,
I picked up the Softbank X02HT but it came with the Chinese ROM.
Since I'm using it in Japan, I'd like to switch over to the Japanese ROM.
I wasnt able to find the Softbank Japanese ROM anywhere online... perhaps someone had a suggestion?
Thanks for your help!
also very much interested in that
i am in a similar situation and already posted several requests about switching my Dopod ROM to a Softbank one or at least get all the important functions of the Softbank ROM working on my Dopod 730...but so far no reply.
if you receive any enlightenment please share it with me.
cheers
beefandcorn,
Im in the same boat as I picked it up in HK to use here in Tokyo
kinda ironic how it was setup to use here and now it only partially functions.
I cant seem to find a ROM anywhere for it as well
some of the settings from the X01HT will work.
Im tempted to go to softbank and get them to reflash it back but i have a feeling ill get busted for having an unlocked one.
The keyboard layout is f'd up not all the keys match, I can send SMS but cannot receive, and I cannot access internet via 3G...
What is your experience like so far in Japan for the dopod rom?
Using foreign ROM on Softbank network
Actually, I’m also using the HK ROM on the Softbank branded X02HT in Japan.
SMS and 3G Packet service works okay but it seems the MMS is impossible to get working.
Just to confirm, here are my settings for internet access.
In “Connections”, I have a connection that “Connects To” “The Internet”.
The access point is “softbank”, the username is “[email protected]” and password is “softbank”.
In “Proxy”, I didn’t have anything setup.
This is the paid packet service, where you pay per use.
I think you also need Softbank to have your plan include “packet service”.
It looks like you can also setup the flat rate internet service but I haven’t tried that.
Sorry, I’m not sure about SMS issues.
Is it possible to dump the ROM from a retail Softbank X02HT?
Then, we could flash the official ROM onto the phones and all the problems go away.
Hope it helps…
i agree
yes if somebody could provide a ROM dump of the softbank rom that would help... well also need to figure out HOW to flash it then...
The company I bought my phone from (mail order from the US) offered me to reflash the phone to the Softbank ROM but it is not cheap and I also would need to send it back to the US for that (and pay for the DHL/UPS costs)
So I would prefer doing it myself (if its not such a hassle)
Yea. I got my X02HT in HK, and although everything works fine here on AT&T, I'm having an issue with remembering where some of the symbols are.. since some of them don't match up... any luck finding the Original ROM?
It seems that the original Japanese ROM also has English. and I would assume that this ROM maps the Keys correctly... as opposed to the Dopod ROM installed now...
Please HLP w/ Tmobile WIZA200 in JAPAN...cant get signal
I'm starting to think there is no solution I have unlocked and uploaded and reloaded and re-unlocked, etc but still the same problem...My phone can not access the cellular network. I did a manual search and my phone does not acknowledge the JP Softbank network. I have put different kinds of ROM's and OS upgrades, etc, but still no success. I'm starting to think that these great unlocked PDA's only work in Europe and North America and not in JAPAN.
I have seen several other threads with others having the same problem so I am going to try to ask this question in several different threads.
I have no errors and everything works fine in the process, just like everybody says it does, but still nothing for acquiring a signal. It just either shows an exclamation point or searching dots. I have compared the various carrier options on my phone to other Softbank phones and everything is the same networks except acknowledging the Softbank network.
I'm praying there is some smart person out there who can figure this out...PLEASE...PRETTY PLEASE...
Works on DoCoMo but NOT on Softbank
I also have a Dopod ROM and funny thing is, the phone works like a charm on the DoCoMo Network (Phone and SMS) but when I pop in a Vodafone SIM it cannot even connect to the Softbank network
Very Strange...
we have a thread going on this issue and maybe you can add some input.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=1942813&posted=1#post1942813
I had a Softbank X02HT. Stumbled my way thru a DOPOD "cook (?)" and used it in Australia and Guam on GSM. Came back to Japan, threw in the softbank card...CHANGED THE NETWORK BAND...to Japan and AUTO. Worked perfect on DOPOD ROM. No 3G. I am working that right now.....
anybody dumped the rom yet???
This is the Softbank rom from X02HT
First Boot screen show "Test Only Not for Sale SOFTBANK" Just ignore it....hopefully when done with cooking WM6.1 with softbank rom, kindly erase that Boot Screen.....
Hopefully Anyone can make X02HT Softbank rom WM6.1.....Please share......
heres the link......
http://rapidshare.com/files/149405794/RUU_Cavalier_VF_KK_1.20.761.4_1.46.50.10_182_Test.exe
P.S.
cruzzmz really donno to upload it to ftp em sorry dude....
wowwwwwww I don't know how, but this ROM worked for me!!! The ****** SIM Locked message dissapear! Now, I can put a unlock code for my cell..... I'm going to see how (Any suggestion ?)
Thx!!!
What do you recommend me... still with this Softbank rom or install a Dopod (One from the fTP)?? I need english language!
pls wait a lill bit
ppls pls wait a lill bit more since i am on a long vacation now. ive dloaded the softbank rom. ive dump it & will cook a wm6.1 on it soon. just one catch though the chome screen will b in english i think hv to cook & try it on my dopod 1st ... will keep u all posted
cruzzmz said:
ppls pls wait a lill bit more since i am on a long vacation now. ive dloaded the softbank rom. ive dump it & will cook a wm6.1 on it soon. just one catch though the chome screen will b in english i think hv to cook & try it on my dopod 1st ... will keep u all posted
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Can anybody tell me is it fine if i run this rom on my x02ht without running anything else first?i mean any spl thing required?any did the enter the unlock code screen really appeared?
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Can anybody tell me is it fine if i run this rom on my x02ht without running anything else first?i mean any spl thing required?any did the enter the unlock code screen really appeared?
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Yeah dude! Try it, at least, it worked for me. Now I can play with the WM registry and those things that was unavaible after.
Good luck
caza00 said:
Yeah dude! Try it, at least, it worked for me. Now I can play with the WM registry and those things that was unavaible after.
Good luck
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yes!!!!!!!!!i tried and it went with no problem. thanks for showing the way ...and atleast now there is a space to put the unlock code...good luck with your newborn x02ht. and the internet settings are also in place. so can use softbank unlimited plans...
Did you try to install another ROM, a Dopod ROM or something??
I wanna try one but i don't know if it is a good idea or not ...
caza00 said:
Did you try to install another ROM, a Dopod ROM or something??
I wanna try one but i don't know if it is a good idea or not ...
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no. i didnt try anything else as i didnt have time and was quite satisfied with the softbank rom. but yes the network seems to be weak compared to the original rom.

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