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Video Touch Flo Work perfect in B&B v4.0

I set up this for Tom, I am sure my space is about to have to add a server.
Touchflo like never before
Okay, I am going to let the cat out of the bag, I have been testing B&B 4.0 BETA'S for about a week.
Tom is very particular about releasing his ROMS due to his desire for perfection, he works day and night trying to get this thing right, but is working overtime at his real job trying to keep in good financial standings.
This is extremely difficult as a student as most of you know, so I feel that it necessary for US as a community to show this guy some support.
Meaning hit this
Now onto what you all want to know, this Rom is super fast, faster than B&B 3.7. The touchflo works as if it were native, not a single bit of slow down. Anything that you have a scroll bar on you can use the touchflo on, meaning EVERYTHING. It is simply awesome.
It is now my opinion that our device out does any and all existing devices.
The release on the ROM is pending, there are still a few small tweaks that need donedue to the fact that Tom is having to volunteer for overtime at work, bills must be paid...
Dont get me wrong, he will finish it soon, but the less he has to volunteer at work the sooner we get the final version.
I am sure Tom will be embarrased by me being so blunt, but I cant help it, this guy is working his off and ask for nothing, he only posts the links for donations after we prod him.
Here is a little pic of the welcome screen,
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Please be patient, another reason this is taking time is due to internet connection issues, the same reason I am posting this info for Tom_Codon.
Please continue post in the "Lets get a head start on B&B 4.0 release issues"
thread.
If you disagree with my post, pleae pm me, no need to post here and discourage others. Thanks and have a good day

Wohhh ..!
Nice Wellcome Splashscreen..!
Wait v4.0 and will donate to Tom 10euro.Sorry now my ACC paypal 0 money

Cool ... просто отлично.
Eagerly anticipating 4.0 release.

Does the ringtone manager continue to act as if it's always in Automatic mode. i.e.. setting the phone to vibrate everytime you have an appointment in calendar?

Looking forward to seeing what you've done Tom you really have stolen the show as far as the artimis goes.
Impressive stuff so far.
Please 'have a pint or 3 on me'.
Cheers
Matt

Good Call and Great Cause, I'll pitch in shortly.
We owe him more then just a few dollars and million thanks!!!!!!

Look Great !!!! In... Tom we trust !
I'm now impatient to try this new rom.

gotta be honest, donated for v3.7 and will again for v4.0, but I prefer OEM look for startup and welcome screens, just my input... dont like the PDAVIET branded welcome screen, but just my opinion.
Anticipating v4.0 soon! Thanks for the effort on this ROM, looks very well done.

The first i want say special thanks to [email protected] creat for me Blog myspace and make for me Video Touch Flo in artemis.
And Thanks all people give me support in past times.
I will release v4.0 Professional as soon as well..!
Thanks again...!

looks very cool. I too prefer the standard looking splash screens though, no biggy it can be changed once hte rom is installed i imagine. Whats the professional version going to have?

Eagerly waiting for this release, (just like the rest of XDA-Dev forums) Many thanks Tom, certainly owe you a few beers buddy!

Is there any chance that the ROM will be available by friday? Im going on vacation on Saturday morning and would love to have the new ROM in by then. But no pressure mate, I know that it has to be finished before you'll release it. Keep up the great work!

and now i'm confused
the big question is...
Do I install the official O2 rom and spend time making it work...or do I wait for Tom to release B&B 4.0?
Choices choices......

Im going to wait for V4.0, not putting another O2 Rom on my phone, dont like the operator specific settings.

I wanna the ROM 4.0 now, please !!

WTF?
thats really an Artemis?
Can't believe it! It's so FAST!

COOL
...though I´m still stucking my original O2 ROM I really appreciate the hard work of TOM. I ave viited his webpage and saw the "new projects".
Will donate, as or sure I will try sooner or lter one of his ROMs.
Tom: Keep up the great work

chandlercjh said:
the big question is...
Do I install the official O2 rom and spend time making it work...or do I wait for Tom to release B&B 4.0?
Choices choices......
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I can garantee you, mate... wait for the v4...
O2's rom is crap if you've used or tried v4!!
Really this is very sweet ROM... Just give it some time for the final beta testing...

Yeah that sounds really great. I also can´t wait no more longer for this great ROM. I hope Tom will release it soon, but take your time.
I want to see the video but i can´t access this site in the first post. Can anyone please upload it to youtube or something else.
Would be great.
AND AGAIN: MANY THANKS TO TOM!!!!!
Your are my God

Just wonder why we can not find it to download?

Google Android SDK- Android the New Os for Trinity?

Google Android SDK is out, when will we see the first Alpha for our trinity?
Google Android SDK

I was looking at this lastnight, would be great to get it running on a trinity, but I'm betting it would be a b*tch to find the required drivers for a lot of the more advanced hardware (gps, 3g radio, etc...)
That said I think it still needs a bit of polish before it'll be truely ready, very pretty though.

would be prety cool and maby better faster and nicer than WM

it will be faster than WM

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http://www.youtube.com/v/1FJHYqE0RDg&rel=1

how long will we wait?

it appears that in the video, they explain that 3G+, wifi, GPS etc... a lot of technologies would be supported, and, as all of you knows, it is open source, so drivers won't be long to be released.
i also browsed the http://code.google.com/android and looked after the members of what they named "The Alliance", it appears that HTC is one of them, so it will be good for us =)
let's have news later of this really good looking project !!!

Older stuff
It looks like a good project. But what would be nice is a OS that can be installed on older PDAs (With or without phone). Some of the older units which have larger screens and good cpu just languish in the closet because the OS is outdated and the manufacturer would rather sell new than support older units. I've invested money into a solid unit that now just sits, and moved everything over to the Trinity.
But hey, someday the Trinity will be old and it's sites like this that will be the only support.

Is there anything new to the Android OS on HTC Trinity? I'd like to test it... ;-)

simkard said:
it appears that in the video, they explain that 3G+, wifi, GPS etc... a lot of technologies would be supported, and, as all of you knows, it is open source, so drivers won't be long to be released.
i also browsed the http://code.google.com/android and looked after the members of what they named "The Alliance", it appears that HTC is one of them, so it will be good for us =)
let's have news later of this really good looking project !!!
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I repeat myself: Don't expect anything for free for the P3600. HTC has obviously stopped work on this device, and moreover is already angering customers with next-generation-phones, by stating that the problems might be solved in future devices. So don't hold your breath for HTC to create drivers for hardware from 2006.
Have fun!

Lost_in_translation said:
I repeat myself: Don't expect anything for free for the P3600. HTC has obviously stopped work on this device, and moreover is already angering customers with next-generation-phones, by stating that the problems might be solved in future devices. So don't hold your breath for HTC to create drivers for hardware from 2006.
Have fun!
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I think HTC Touch is the only pda capable to run android, but yes, i'd love to run into my white trinity...

I have read on official mailing lidt for Android, that android is made for ARM5 processor.
Our trinity have an ARM4 processor so,it won't work.
And it's look like you can't cross compil to ARM4 besause some part of the kernel is not release, and some processor instrution need to be replace...

Android, Google, MS and other "paranoid" stuff
Ok Folks,
From time to time my "looming" side wins over and my paranoid side peeks up...
Don't be so eager to see the new android as a 7th wonder. What I thought (and feared most) about MS as a Big Brother one day (the "conspiracy" to make us buy ever newer "state of art" computers and because the new OS versions (with each time more demanding HD, memory and processor specs; not to speak of the unknown amount of personal data unknowingly "smugled" into their databanks) now seems grow even worse as the new BB stands up with the happy idea of "net free applications!".
So what? Why can we not set the Google Maps Cache according to our needs? Why do we need to be ON-LINE to use it?
We are stimulated to move some of our files to free-on-line datacenter (or shortly will be invited to).
Think of it a little: if a good part of our applications move to the WEB, fine, cheap, but you'll have to be on-line to access it.
How about some nice and cheap montly contribution, some sort of "signature" for you to access the files you put there. Imagine if MS brokes up and everbody turns Google and Android. How much power do you think this Corp will amount?
If Android goes this thread (on-line apps only or mostly) keep your head down and take easy.The least I would expect was to see the old Bill's as a nice guy after all...
After all, with normal software once bought it is YOURS (ok Antivirus and such don't count), with on-line apps, it will never be yours...
Ok, that is it.
Have a nice week!

Nothing except free software is yours when you use it.
I wouldn't count on an Android port for HTC devices (not even the Diamond). Windows Mobile is a great platform but nobody took advantage of its full capacity.
Don't expect to see anything better than WM6.1 running on a Trinity.
By the way, does anybody know if Linux currently works on it?

Linux...
AndyM3 said:
Nothing except free software is yours when you use it.
I wouldn't count on an Android port for HTC devices (not even the Diamond). Windows Mobile is a great platform but nobody took advantage of its full capacity.
Don't expect to see anything better than WM6.1 running on a Trinity.
By the way, does anybody know if Linux currently works on it?
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Actually there have some threads, out of date... The developers seem to have left Trinity out, because of its lack of keyboard.
I could not find anything downloadable for it. Last time Isaw was two weeks ago...
hugs

Kernel vs ARM4
We need to wait that kernel have drivers to work with ARM4...

Android on Trinity wanted!!
now that the full code is out it's possible!!
who is able to translate the available WM drivers into Android drivers?!?

Got a Blackberry Javelin

Hey guys, bought finally a Blackberry Javelin (Curve 8900) and want to share my initial impressions. Maybe of interest for you because you like the BB form factor in general. I think the classic Blackberry form factor employed in all wide BBs, the BlackJack and the Excalibur is the best form for a phone.
Had Blackbarrys from my company for years, then the BlackJack great phone with worse speaker quality (very low volume) more than a year, tried the Excalibur now as I wrote in another post. Great phone with excellent xda-dev-support. But still some weaknesses. So I bought the Javelin in a weak moment:
Pros
- Excellent hardware & build quality, small, tight, solid, round, smooth, much better than the bold which has its name for a good reason. Better materials than most phones.
- The keyboard rocks. No other keyboard matches this keyboard, even better than the Bold because less finger movements required. The old Treos come very close (680, 750). Perfect form, space within keys and hub => short and crisp hub. Blackjack was too hard to press, Excalibur too long hub and wobbly feeling, Treo to round, but similar crisp hub and space between keys.
- The trackball, so precise and fast, EPIX could match, but the software implementation of the touchpad isn't on par with RIMs trackball implementation.
- Great screen, not the Touch Diamonds resolution but it's near
- Great UI, really!. After a days you understand how many thoughts the RIM engineers made, e.g.: the Media Player is despite keylock fully accessible, shortcuts everywhere like R for reply, overall you are pretty fast with the OS.
- Slick and unobtrusive GUI design
Cons
- No ActiveSync OTA only expensive BIS/BES service
- No xda-dev community instead somehow weird BB forums
- Feels somehow closed/undocumented like a black box, couldn't get Google Maps to work, maybe because of missing BIS/BES service
- Browser is for a BB browser very, very good but doesn't match latest Opera on Touch Diamond.
- A2DP sound quality good but cannot be tweaked to the max as with WM devices.
- No 3G but EDGE
If you ask me to choose one phone, I couldn't decide for one (currently the Javelin and the Touch Diamond, because there's no up-to-date WM phone with BB form factor). Overall the WM phone is capable of everything and a lot of stuff can be done a little better (e.g. A2DP quality tweaking) and the UI of WM6 plus Touch Flow isn't that bad. The Javelin is a rock-solid experience, hardware and software are seamlessly put together, better than by the iPhone done. I miss some features with the Javelin but at the end of the day the core and few non-core phone features like cam and media are prefectly realized. At the moment I use both phones with multiple SIMs depending on my mood.

Oh nice thanks for putting this information together. This could be very useful from some who are deciding to upgrade their dash.

Not ever, not in a trillion billion years. No blackberry has nor will one ever be held to my head.
Nuff said

Bupahs said:
Not ever, not in a trillion billion years. No blackberry has nor will one ever be held to my head.
Nuff said
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Funny as i was going to post similar yesterday lol, something about blasphemy and mods please delete

I didnt know HTC made the Blackberry's?
(in Re: to the removal of our Moto Q discussion, Hmmm...same form factor )

stylez said:
Funny as i was going to post similar yesterday lol, something about blasphemy and mods please delete
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lol, well I went out on a limb, I have a strong personal dislike for the BB

crackberry
THE only thing in my opinion that the BBs have that is any good is their tracball, that's it. My buddy from work has a curve/javelin and I think it sucks, that's just my opinion, not trying to disrespect anyone, cause when we were comparing phones ,even though he loves his bberry, he was amazed at how much customizability and how much more fun the dash is. That's all.

Yah the trackball is amazing, I got to give that to you...

I bought one on Friday and must say I love it to bits

EN4CER69 said:
I bought one on Friday and must say I love it to bits
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blasphemy, sellout, traitor , JK.

I think the curve 8320 was a good phone with the best keyboard ever, but It cant do all the goodies winmo phones can do.

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Comparsion between 6.1 and 6.5.x ROMs - A call to all chefs!

I have tested many ROMs over the last few months, but in every ROM there were some minor or also major flaws. I finally managed to write them down and find "the two big groups".
A small annotation before you start reading the table:
I am a volunteer firefighter, and I mostly use my Diamond for tasks, which do not allow much time to pass. Therefore, a reliable and fast ROM is what I am looking for. This means: A call has to be accepted if needed, and not already in my pocket. Or (what also happened) that the caller has to wait for too long before the phone starts ringing on my side. If I need to place a call, I must be able to do it now and not waiting for the phone to reboot since it crashed the last time I put it back into my pouch.
Please read the complete table and tell me what you think about it.
If anyone wants the "raw" excel sheet do not hesitate to PM me.
It is not my intention to offend any of the chefs, you do a great work. Consider this as a "experience collection" and suggestions on how to improve your ROMs.
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Regards,
Zuzler

nice work i guess - have u tried the default/stock ROM? i think it should fit your needs

Yup, I had the original "Vodafone branded one" as well as the real stock ROM installed, but both did not provide adequate locking. I had some G-Sensor enabled locks, but they stand in no competition to the standard Sense 2.5 lock. And in WinMo 6.5.x nothing would change with the InCallLock.
At the moment I am considering trying to cook my own ROM, but I do not think I have the experience and patience to do so.

This is absolutely not representative!
I am using 6.5/6.5.x Titanium only for some time now, cooking my own ROMs, tried lots of builds and branches, using 28205 running on 2.10.206.1 OEM Driver right now. I am no flash junkie, if I like a ROM I use for quite some time.
I have none of the errors/problems you report. Particularly I have found no problems with battery life in any of the ROMs. Perhaps the ROMs you used were much too feature packed? Did you try some lite versions?
regards

The best one is the stock Touch Flow rom, I've been using custom roms for a while and was fed up with how slow they are. Last night I installed the latest version of the Touch Diamond rom from their website and I can't belive how much faster it is.

Brainsample, as I said, it is my personal experience and not neccesarily meant to be representative.
I tried several ROMs, and of course the Lite versions. I also flashed a new Radio as well as a new HardSPL. What ROM are you using? It may well be, that this one does not have the battery drain I mentioned.
ek5932, that's right. The stock one may be faster, but for me, there are too many features in there I simply do not use and some I even never heard of.
As stated, I prefer light, fast, stable versions.
BsB was perfect, but unfortunately, he stopped developing. There are other chefs who picked up his work, but that's where the drain started.
Regards

Zuzler said:
Brainsample, as I said, it is my personal experience and not neccesarily meant to be representative.
I tried several ROMs, and of course the Lite versions. I also flashed a new Radio as well as a new HardSPL. What ROM are you using? It may well be, that this one does not have the battery drain I mentioned.
ek5932, that's right. The stock one may be faster, but for me, there are too many features in there I simply do not use and some I even never heard of.
As stated, I prefer light, fast, stable versions.
BsB was perfect, but unfortunately, he stopped developing. There are other chefs who picked up his work, but that's where the drain started.
Regards
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Why don't you stay with the last BsB then? You don't have to go for the newest ROM. If BsB was perfect for you, then it's your keeper Never change a running system. Or, as we use to say in Germany: viele Köche verderben den Brei ...
cheers

Zuzler said:
As stated, I prefer light, fast, stable versions.
BsB was perfect, but unfortunately, he stopped developing. There are other chefs who picked up his work, but that's where the drain started.
Regards
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Fast is a winner for me and the version I downloaded is much faster than the BSB rom. For the first time since I bought my diamond I am not regretting getting it

[Benchmark] 3D/OpenGL performance across ROMs - 1st batch (old)

NB! This tests are old! For newer results please follow the link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=700755
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Hello all,
Since there are so many flavours of ROMs around, I decided to do a little test with some of them (in my opinion, the more popular ones).
For the test I used the following ROMs:
2.1 Eclair
BeHero 1.3.2
Legendary 1.3.5
aHero 0.6.1
aHero 0.7.1
aHero 0.8
Villain 4.0 beta 2
Villain 5.02
Villain 5.1
Villain 5.2
Villain 5.3
Villain 5.4
CyanogenMod for Hero 1.0
Defiance 2.1
Androbin 1.1110
Legendroid 1.0.1
NeoRom 2.1
Raidroid 1.1
SlideVillain 1.0.1 beta
VanillaEclair 1.3 NAS
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1.5 Cupcake
Kimera 1.7 @ 768MHz
Also the following for benchmarking:
For 3D Performance
Qualcomm's "NeoCore" 1.9.18 - Measured in FPS
For 2D Performance
Softweg's "Benchmark" 1.03 - Measured by an internal score
For CPU Performance
Linpack for Android - Measured in MFLOPS
All the tests mean: The higher, the better.
The method of testing was the usual flashing, a couple of reboots to make sure every caching necessary was done and the average of 3 benchmark of each test.
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Here are the results from this first batch of ROM's:
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Also remember that this tests are solely to measure the 2D/3D performance of a ROM, what in no way can be used to measure if a ROM is better or worse then another. It's only for games and overall "snappiness".
Bye

Hey. Thanks for the comparisons. This is very useful.
I have always said that BeHero was the best 2.1 ROM. It is very quick.
Villian was always the slowest for me but had more 'fixes' and features (just as google voice search).
I am currently running Legendary 1.3.5 (the 'upgrade' to BeHero...), which is as good as its predecessor.
Rep +1

jUsT2eXy said:
I am currently running Legendary 1.3.5 (the 'upgrade' to BeHero...), which is as good as its predecessor.
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According to the post you replied to, it is not as good as its predecessor when it comes to OpenGL performance - I would say it comes at an overall third place in that list.
That said, I wonder whether this should be taken as a measure for performance of a ROM.
Does OpenGL affect performance of the entire device? Or just, as I suspect, those processes which can make use of it - some games perhaps?

naenee said:
According to the post you replied to, it is not as good as its predecessor when it comes to OpenGL performance - I would say it comes at an overall third place in that list.
That said, I wonder whether this should be taken as a measure for performance of a ROM.
Does OpenGL affect performance of the entire device? Or just, as I suspect, those processes which can make use of it - some games perhaps?
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Hi. Yeah I did read the post I replied to and saw that Legendary came 3rd. But in fact, well in my opinion it is a better performer than its predecessor contrary to the benchmark statistics above.
To me, it feels snappier. Though the stats. say differently.
Just like a car might feel faster than the car you previously drove, but in fact it is not... if that makes sense lol...

where can i download Legendary 1.3.5 ?? i recently flashed my Hero but I do not know which ROM to use for the best.. all I want is a smooth, not sticky ROM which will enable me to use my phone without it freezing... I just dont know where to get the ROM's or which one to go for,,,, can someone PLEASE help me..... thanks

Just tested vanillain rom hybrid 1.0 (fresh install)
NeoCore without sound: 29 fps
Neocore with sound: 25 fps

Ian_4614 said:
where can i download Legendary 1.3.5 ?? i recently flashed my Hero but I do not know which ROM to use for the best.. all I want is a smooth, not sticky ROM which will enable me to use my phone without it freezing... I just dont know where to get the ROM's or which one to go for,,,, can someone PLEASE help me..... thanks
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google is your friend.
Here is the direct link
Here is the google link. It is much easier to google it than wait for a reply...
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Le...s=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a

thanks good thread up

Added CyanogenMod for Hero v1.0

i am really sorry to sound like such a noob,, but what does that mean ?????

Ian_4614 said:
i am really sorry to sound like such a noob,, but what does that mean ?????
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Hello,
I'm doing this tests for my own pleasure since I like measuring performance and I saw a good opportunity here and for the moment I have some spare time
Anyway, this tests compare the 2D/3D performance across the different ROMs available for the users in this forums. For some people this might be important, like for me, since I have quite a few games in my Hero. Also it's important for people that cannot stand "lagginess" or "sluggishness" (I don't have a clue how to spell that...) in your home screen and/or browsing the ROM

Added Androbin 1.1110 & Defiance 2.1

Villain 3.4
NeoCore (with sound): 24.6
NeoCore (without sound): 29.9
Softweg (GPU test): 120

Favour
Could you do me a favour and chuck in a 1.5 ROM just for a sense of comparison, such as mr.bang performance rom. Just want to see how much of a 'gain' we get in terms of visuals from the switch to 2.1 if any at all, thanks

You should add Kagu Droid with JIT to the test.

Arkymedes said:
Added Androbin 1.1110 & Defiance 2.1
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Could you pls add Villain 5.1 pls?

Hi,
I'm trying to add the most number of ROMs possible and about the cupcake version, it's not possible since NeoCore doesn't run
But yes, I would love to check the performance between them.

Re: [Benchmark] 3D/OpenGL performance across ROMs
Ahh thats a shame. In that case could legendroid be uploaded please, i can a few tests and i think it could beat behero!
Sent from my Hero using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

bratfink said:
Could you do me a favour and chuck in a 1.5 ROM just for a sense of comparison, such as mr.bang performance rom. Just want to see how much of a 'gain' we get in terms of visuals from the switch to 2.1 if any at all, thanks
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Mr Bang concept 2.0 gets 29FPS without sound.

Arkymedes said:
Hello,
I'm doing this tests for my own pleasure since I like measuring performance and I saw a good opportunity here and for the moment I have some spare time
Anyway, this tests compare the 2D/3D performance across the different ROMs available for the users in this forums. For some people this might be important, like for me, since I have quite a few games in my Hero. Also it's important for people that cannot stand "lagginess" or "sluggishness" (I don't have a clue how to spell that...) in your home screen and/or browsing the ROM
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Are you sure OpenGL is used outside of apps/games specifically written to make use of it?