I have had my T-Mobile Dash for a year I love it. Well my friend wants to buy me a t-mobile mda and I am not sure on that. The only reason he wants to get me the mda is because I am always having to adjust the volume,Either it is to high or to low. Right now I have it sit so you use it for in calls only but still you got to adjust it can someone help out? Can anyone give me the pros and cons with mda and the dash?
Well i don't know about the other phone but what i do on dash is simply make a call, set volume to max using jogger bar then end call. Then turn jogger off and you don't have to worry about changing volume or it being changed.
I preferably do not like the MDA because of the touch screen feature which you have to use a stilus. Some people prefer touch screen with the stylus but I think a touch screen phone like the iphone is the best because you actually use your fingers instead of a stylus.
jdoggraz said:
I preferably do not like the MDA because of the touch screen feature which you have to use a stilus. Some people prefer touch screen with the stylus but I think a touch screen phone like the iphone is the best because you actually use your fingers instead of a stylus.
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...or just use your fingernail (at least that is what one of my peers at work does and he seems to manage just fine).
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...or just use your fingernail (at least that is what one of my peers at work does and he seems to manage just fine).
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Yah thats true... It sucks though especially when you do not have long fingernails.
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Hi there,
I currently have an M3100 (Hermes) and the touch screen on it is great. I like to use my fingers so if I'm in tomtom I can push the buttons without really needing to worry about how I press the screen. (e.g. I normally just smudge it up with my no-fingernail fingers).
Work got a batch of Orbits in, but the screen is really really awful. It seems to be that the screen is very particular how you touch it in order for it to recognise it has been touched. I normally find myself turning my fingers round to try and use what little nail I have to just touch a small surface area to get it to work.
To be honest it is rubbish - and it's the same for anything.
Anyone any ideas how to reduce its sensitivity or if there is a new touch.dll that can be used?
Thanks a lot!
Dan
Well i'm still waiting mine to arrive, however a screen protector must remove a little of the sensitivity...
Having had a Hermes as my last phone, I personally dont have a problem with the Orbits touchscreen.
The screen protector that came with it from O2 was crap and I took it off. Too spongy and did not help at all with the "feel" of the touchscreen.
I had a Martin Fields protector on the Hermes and am awaiting delivery of one for the Orbit.
But just on its own it reacts fine, dont notice any difference between the Orbit and Hermes.
Just my view. Not everyone uses their phones the same way.
toibs said:
Well i'm still waiting mine to arrive, however a screen protector must remove a little of the sensitivity...
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I'm not using one unfortunately.. I wish I had an excuse for it's assness!
This is the 3rd HTC touchscreen phone I have owned and I have never experienced such phenomena...
However I have noticed that while in tomtom, I get the quickest responses when I tap with my finger backwards so the flat part (not the tip) of my finger nail makes contact with the screen.
My Orbit is my 5th HTC phone.....screen works fine....maybe you've got a duff phone??
It is inevitable that I will be getting one of these when ever it comes to ATT but I am wondering, is the touch screen any better than the kaiser? The only thing that I like about the iphone is the fact that the touch screen just seems to work much better as far as scrolling(not multi-touch).
Thanks in advance!
The touchscreen is much improved from the Touch Pro. I think this is as close as a resistive touchscreen can get to a
capacitive touchscreen the iPhone has. Only subtle pressure needed no navigate and press buttons.
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Check out my indepth-review of the Touch Pro2
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I have a TD2 but in all honesty I bet the touch tech on the TP2 is the same. I thought the TD was nice and responsive. The TD2 is perfect. In My Honest Opinion it is way better than a capacitive screen like the iphone and ipod touch. Capacitive is way too sensitive and I always get wrong inaccurate presses on my ipod touch. Especially when I use my thumb. The resistive screen also allows you to type much faster seeing as you don't have to lift your thumbs all the way up.
With the TP2 though you have a hard keybaord so that wouldn't matter. But I type really quick on my TD2. Way faster than I ever could on my ipod touch. I say go for it when AT&T gets it.
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I have a TD2 but in all honesty I bet the touch tech on the TP2 is the same. I thought the TD was nice and responsive. The TD2 is perfect. In My Honest Opinion it is way better than a capacitive screen like the iphone and ipod touch. Capacitive is way too sensitive and I always get wrong inaccurate presses on my ipod touch. Especially when I use my thumb. The resistive screen also allows you to type much faster seeing as you don't have to lift your thumbs all the way up.
With the TP2 though you have a hard keybaord so that wouldn't matter. But I type really quick on my TD2. Way faster than I ever could on my ipod touch. I say go for it when AT&T gets it.
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awesome thanks! TP2 was my only option anyway, WM is so much better than the iPhone OS.
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The touchscreen is much improved from the Touch Pro. I think this is as close as a resistive touchscreen can get to a
capacitive touchscreen the iPhone has. Only subtle pressure needed no navigate and press buttons.
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I agree, its very nice
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I have a TD2 but in all honesty I bet the touch tech on the TP2 is the same. I thought the TD was nice and responsive. The TD2 is perfect. In My Honest Opinion it is way better than a capacitive screen like the iphone and ipod touch. Capacitive is way too sensitive and I always get wrong inaccurate presses on my ipod touch. Especially when I use my thumb. The resistive screen also allows you to type much faster seeing as you don't have to lift your thumbs all the way up.
With the TP2 though you have a hard keybaord so that wouldn't matter. But I type really quick on my TD2. Way faster than I ever could on my ipod touch. I say go for it when AT&T gets it.
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Thats great to hear
I have a similar question... On my Kaiser (which now has a broken screen... again!) I found that (surprise!) the screen is too sensitive.
So here's my question: Is the screen structurally the same (i.e. a thin sheet of plastic over a finger-nail-thick LCD?
If so I might be very hesitant to buy one.
every review i've read online before i bought the unit was boasting about how "finger-friendly" the TP2 was, and that you could lightly swipe your finger across it to navigate the menu and that the touchscreen was very sensitive and whatnot
however after 2 weeks of use i find that to be relatively untrue. i've got to apply a fair amount of pressure on the screen to get it to register my input. of course, i'm posting this because i'm afraid that i might be damaging the screen in the process
i have no basis for comparison actually, my only 2 other touchscreen devices at home are an iphone and a cowon s9, both use capacitive screens. i always knew there was a big difference between capacitive screens and resistive screens, i just didn't know it was THIS huge. i can actually slide my finger lightly over the iphone's surface and its registered properly. the sliding probably feels smoother as its glass, but i can live with the TP2's plastic. what do you guys think ? should i get it checked out at the HTC store ?? its on the other side of town, don't wanna waste a trip as if its not a problem
oh yeah and just to get this out of the way, the screen is a membrane and not a hard surface right ?? everytime i press on the screen using my finger or the stylus, i can feel the screen slightly moving down, can also see the surface getting slightly dented at the point my finger pushes it if looking at it from a certain angle.
ps before somebody asks: i only got to test the keyboard at the telco store, some punk had cracked the screen of the display set, so i didn't know about this screen issue until i actually purchased the set
sorry for the long post, but i'd really appreciate any comments
TIA
Well, I don't have an Iphone so i can't tell you about how it compares with the TP2, however, i found the display to be much better than the one on my old XDA. It will probably never as good as a capacitive device like the touchpad on my laptop, but I found it to work very well. You have to apply a certain amount of pressue to the display, because it reacts on pressure, so I guess there is nothing wrong with that. I also see a small dent when I use the stylus and press the display. I cannot confirm the screen slightly going down when pressing it.
To summarize it, i use the Stylus 90% of the time. It glides much better on the display than my finger does so the overall experience is slightly better when using a stylus. Plus i don't get any greasy fingerprints on my display.
However the 10% I use my fingers to work on it (and 25% of that 10% is spent on polishing I found it to work pretty well, so in general I don't think that the reviews were off when it comes to finger usability.
What you are describing is probably normal. Resistive screens do require pressure. The TP2 tends to require less pressure than others, but nonetheless it does require it. There's no comparison if you compare it to a capacitive screen device because those don't require pressure at all.
The flexing of the screen that you described is something all resistive screens have. Again, if you compare the screen flex of the TP2 to earlier HTC devices, it's greatly improved.
To be on the safe side, go to a store and try out other resistive screen devices and see if you experience the same thing as your own. Then you'll know what is considered "normal".
thanks for the replies, i'll probably head down to my telco's store and see if they've replaced the display set then.
any other comments ??
You know I thought the same, waiting for a cab to increase the sensitivity because at the moment its quite annoying pressing buttons more than once...
From a few years to nowadays i´ve always used QTEK/HTC devices, my latest one is, ofcourse, HTC RHODIUM, the rom it has installed is RUU_Rhodium_HTC_PTG_1.19.410.0_Radio_Rhodium_3.44.25.27_Signed_Ship, and the screen is very sensitive and responsive, i´m just very pleased with it overall, it´s the best.
Cheers.
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You know I thought the same, waiting for a cab to increase the sensitivity because at the moment its quite annoying pressing buttons more than once...
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you don't need .cab
just change in registry...
HKLM/drivers/Touch Driver/pressurethreshold, (default=10000)
(I might not remember perfectly, but it's something like that)
try this?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469865
this might help just re align your screen again using little pressure then your screen will not need some much pressure to work.
I have found the this not only aligns the screen but the pressure as well.
mine I just have to lightly touch it and dont have to press very much at all.
Cheers
I HATE using the iphone that my friends have because i cannot use my nail. I am so used to using my nail since 2004. I wish they would have used resistive multi touch instead of capacitive.
Guess i will be keeping my TD 2 for a long long time.
Guess you are.
What's the point of this thread and why couldn't you just post your opinion in the "WP7 is complete fail" thread?
Capacitive are much better than resistive screens for touch screen phones and that's a fact(you just need to get used to them). For tablets it's the other way around.
It would be awesome if someone figured out a way to utilize both techs.
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It would be awesome if someone figured out a way to utilize both techs.
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Read through the feature list of this touchscreen technology: http://www.atmel.com/products/touchscreens/default.asp?family_id=701
The eleventh bullet point states: "Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves". BTW this touchscreen technology is used on the HTC Droid Incredible and the HTC EVO. Maybe you could test if it works on those screens if you come across either of those phones.
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Read through the feature list of this touchscreen technology: http://www.atmel.com/products/touchscreens/default.asp?family_id=701
The eleventh bullet point states: "Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves". BTW this touchscreen technology is used on the HTC Droid Incredible and the HTC EVO. Maybe you could test if it works on those screens if you come across either of those phones.
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Doesn't work according to owners of the incredible.
There are resistive screens that support both nails and multitouch.
They are not supported by Microsoft however. But we might see them in other (e.g. Android) phones in the future.
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There are resistive screens that support both nails and multitouch.
They are not supported by Microsoft however. But we might see them in other (e.g. Android) phones in the future.
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I don't expect any Android phones with resistive screens from any of the bigger Android supporters in the industry, like HTC for example. HTC has said that they learned from the HTC Tattoo to never do an Android phone with a resistive touchscreen again. It's simply too much of an inferior experience and that makes the higher cost of a capacitive touchscreen worth it.
The problem with a resistive touchscreen is that it reacts to pressure and not to contact. That's precisely what you need if you want to operate the touchscreen with your nails, but it just doesn't work well for all other touchscreen user interface manipulations. It's just a much more pleasant experience if the screen reacts to your input without having to barely do anything, it makes using the touchscreen a much more delightful experience.
Another problem with a resistive touchscreen is the fact that because it reacts to pressure, the screen need to be flexible. This means that you can't use a tempered glass screen or something similar on a resistive touchscreen device and you can't (or it's very very hard to) make a device with a touchscreen that's flush with its bezel. The former means that your screen a more prone to scratching and also that it makes the underlying screen a bit more vulnerable to damage.
Now I agree that a capacitive touchscreen also has its drawbacks, but for a mobile phone or a PMP a capacitive touchscreen and a finger friendly user interface is preferable in my opinion compared to a resistive touchscreen. There are other market segments and usage scenarios where a device with a resistive touchscreen is preferable to a capacitive touchscreen, for example in Postal Services where the mail man can collect a signature from you on his portable device that features a resistive touchscreen or in restaurants. But for a mobile phone I'd prefer a capacitive touchscreen simply because it's much easier to use and I don't need a stylus (too cumbersome) on a mobile phone.
This is not a resistive vs. capacitive discussion. I much prefer capacitive on phones, but here's a user who wants to use his fingernails. Hence I was just stating the facts: Microsoft does not support anything but capacitive, but we might see new resistive panels on other phones (that are different from and much better than what was used in the tattoo).
Whether you like resistive screens or not is another story.
xboxhaxorz said:
I HATE using the iphone that my friends have because i cannot use my nail. I am so used to using my nail since 2004. I wish they would have used resistive multi touch instead of capacitive.
Guess i will be keeping my TD 2 for a long long time.
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I prefer resistive as well. I like to use my fingernail. I also like to draw and using a stylus on a resistive screen feels better.
But we're pretty much the odd men out, so we'll just have to get used to it.
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I prefer resistive as well. I like to use my fingernail. I also like to draw and using a stylus on a resistive screen feels better.
But we're pretty much the odd men out, so we'll just have to get used to it.
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I've never used a capacative screen so I don't know if I will like it or not. I don't have fingernails but I do like using my pencil or stylus in class while doing math problems on my spacetime graphic calc software so It'll be interesting to see how I feel about a capacative screen.
Resistive great for sweaty palms
For a guy who's hands sweats alot, I actually had to give up my blackberry storm for a Touch pro 2... Now, I agree that the capacitive screen is very easy to manipulate but when my hands sweat 85% of the time, a resistive screen is a godsend. While the percentage of sweaty palms vs normal palms is probably very small, capacitive screens turn to shyte when water gets on it.... and when that happens, it's like I have a brick...i cannot do anything... even if my hands get clammy, the difficulty in typing or navigating the screen is "hair pulling" awful.
To be honest... I really love using my nails and a stylus... plus you have to admit...pullng out a touch pro 2 in a meeting and then using the stylus...It just brings a green hue to the room (envy) lol!
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For a guy who's hands sweats alot, I actually had to give up my blackberry storm for a Touch pro 2... Now, I agree that the capacitive screen is very easy to manipulate but when my hands sweat 85% of the time, a resistive screen is a godsend. While the percentage of sweaty palms vs normal palms is probably very small, capacitive screens turn to shyte when water gets on it.... and when that happens, it's like I have a brick...i cannot do anything... even if my hands get clammy, the difficulty in typing or navigating the screen is "hair pulling" awful.
To be honest... I really love using my nails and a stylus... plus you have to admit...pullng out a touch pro 2 in a meeting and then using the stylus...It just brings a green hue to the room (envy) lol!
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Don't feel bad, I have Hyperhidrosis too. Probably the main reason I hate capacitive, anything I touch turns to a smudgy mess. I know you can use a stylus with a capacitive screen, but it really feels awkward with the 1cm^2 tip and the lack of precision of a real stylus. Also it's not contractable and easily stored in the device since it's not the norm to have a stylus with a capacitive screen.
I reckon y'all have got girl fingernails.
Come on guys, trim those nails, and would it kill you to use the fingernail brush every once in a while?
Capacitive screens Feck The World!
elyl said:
I reckon y'all have got girl fingernails.
Come on guys, trim those nails, and would it kill you to use the fingernail brush every once in a while?
Capacitive screens Feck The World!
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you don't need a long fingernail to touch your fingernail against something...just turn your finger more so your nail makes contact with the surface before your tip does. Unless of course you have unsightly hands where your meaty part of your finger encapulates your fingernail.
Looks good , very well done!
I know they have resistive multi touch but its probably too expensive. I might end up switching to another company for phones and i would hate too as i have been a HTC user since the wing. The capacitive glassy feel is not for me, and a stylus is a must especially for drawing and hw recognition which the hd2 and iphone have none of.
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The capacitive glassy feel is not for me, and a stylus is a must
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Same here, no stylus, no ability to use small, space efficient text....no interest.
gom99 said:
I prefer resistive as well. I like to use my fingernail. I also like to draw and using a stylus on a resistive screen feels better.
But we're pretty much the odd men out, so we'll just have to get used to it.
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I agree. I'd also rather use my stylus because I want my phone like a mini-computer. It can't use a mouse for pin-point accuracy, but a stylus sure suffices.
I understand the world is going to capacitive touchscreens and it's a shame. I always liked resistive better. It's more accurate. I know that people want to use their finger tips to swipe and sweep and whatever, but there are plenty of limitations out there to it.
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Read through the feature list of this touchscreen technology: http://www.atmel.com/products/touchscreens/default.asp?family_id=701
The eleventh bullet point states: "Supports stylus, fingernails, and gloves". BTW this touchscreen technology is used on the HTC Droid Incredible and the HTC EVO. Maybe you could test if it works on those screens if you come across either of those phones.
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Wish I had 16 fingers...
You guys could always use a capacitive stylus. Remeber capacitive screen works by detecting a change of charge in the screen. Basically things that can conduct electricity should be usable as a stylus. If you're smart, you wouldn't find it hard to modify any stylus to make it work with a capacitive screen.
Else, you could buy any of the capacitive styluses online, which usually cost 3-20 dollar-ish. The fluffy tip is the best as you don't need to hold it at an angle.
I'm still waiting for my HD2 currently, and I already ordered that stylus in advance
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You guys could always use a capacitive stylus. Remeber capacitive screen works by detecting a change of charge in the screen. Basically things that can conduct electricity should be usable as a stylus. If you're smart, you wouldn't find it hard to modify any stylus to make it work with a capacitive screen.
Else, you could buy any of the capacitive styluses online, which usually cost 3-20 dollar-ish. The fluffy tip is the best as you don't need to hold it at an angle.
I'm still waiting for my HD2 currently, and I already ordered that stylus in advance
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Yeah, but the capacitive stylus feels nothing like the resistive ones.
Is there anyway to disable the optical trackpad? as it is always activating on its own
What do you mean "activating on its own"? You mean the phone wakes up when you press the trackpad? Or when you merely touch it? There should be a flashable patch for your ROM that disables trackpad-wake. Search the thread for Virtuous G-Lite.
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What do you mean "activating on its own"? You mean the phone wakes up when you press the trackpad? Or when you merely touch it? There should be a flashable patch for your ROM that disables trackpad-wake. Search the thread for Virtuous G-Lite.
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He means that it activates and selects things on screen on its own. It happens when strong light beams across it. The trackpad activates as if you've moved your finger over the surface because it is sensitive to the light.
Oh, really? I never heard of that! Now I'll have to try it myself.
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Oh, really? I never heard of that! Now I'll have to try it myself.
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Try sitting in the passenger seat of the car with the sun somewhere over your shoulder. Flickering sunlight does weird things to the trackpad.
Oh that is just cool. I have an LED flashlight on my key chain that is insane bright and I just shown it on my trackpad and it starting jumping around my home screens.
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Oh that is just cool. I have an LED flashlight on my key chain that is insane bright and I just shown it on my trackpad and it starting jumping around my home screens.
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lol I could get over having trouble seeing it in direct sunlight I just bought a anti glare screen protector but this makes me want to throw my phone out the car window sometimes
What if you cut that anti-glare screen protector to fit over the optical trackpad. Maybe that'll diffuse enough light to stop the sensor from going wack but still sensitive enough for you to still use it with your thumb?
I can't get the effect to happen. The most that happens is the active icon selection on my home screen moves over one icon. No crazy jumping around on mine. Anyone want to trade me for their "defective" phone?
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I can't get the effect to happen. The most that happens is the active icon selection on my home screen moves over one icon. No crazy jumping around on mine. Anyone want to trade me for their "defective" phone?
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My phone ain't defective ... its "magic"
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App
got the same issue. especially when in the car. the most annoying bit is when i have my sat nav on, and the trackpad plays up, the screen starts moving off course! not helpful when aproaching a roundabout!
have had my desire z for 8 months now, and tried to live with it, but its just too anoying now. so thinking of returning it, but if its a common issue, wondering if they would be able to fix it?
anyone returned theirs to have repaired? did it work?
I don't think it is repairable it is just the trackpad is to sensitive if only there was a way to disable it via software:/
well there are those who say that they dont have the problem, so i guess theoretically, its a fault with many of them. unless they havent used their z in the sun!
i think i'll take it back, as it obviously shouldnt do that. if they cant repair it, or replace it with one that doesnt freak out, i'm gonna change to something else..