when it debuts? if so, we'll be getting cooked version here? when is it expected to come along>?
WM6 just came out earlier this year.. its probably too early for anyone to be able to give you a definate answer.
No one can tell the future. Questions like this only fuel speculation and rumours.
im sure by the time WM7 comes out there will be no more Hermes
Honestly I hope they change WM7 so much it isnt compatible. Seriously Windows Mobile needs a huge overhaul. It should look completely different and be so much more functional that it can't even run on old devices. Thats my hope. Plus in the 1-2 years before it comes out most of us probably won't even have our Hermes anymore.
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THIS is useless post wm7 lol
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Honestly I hope they change WM7 so much it isnt compatible. Seriously Windows Mobile needs a huge overhaul. It should look completely different and be so much more functional that it can't even run on old devices. Thats my hope. Plus in the 1-2 years before it comes out most of us probably won't even have our Hermes anymore.
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Totally agreed. Most of the time, backwards compatibility only hinders progress and development.
the Hermes is already obsolete
why do you think the hermes is obsolete?
i still have my 8125 and use it every weekend. going on what like almost 3 years old now. most new phones are still using either the 200mhz processors like the elf and tytn II is still using the 400mhz. only real diff. is the rom and ram. obsolete for who someone who needs the newest and greatest maybe.
i like thread that speculate like this why not rumors dont hurt any1 and just a real basic topic and seeing how that the tytn II is running wm6 then it has a good chance of being upgraded to wm7 right i mean were able to get are wizards and hermes to wm6. and since the hermes is the same basic device as the tytn II then i dont see it not being a possibility unless the tytn II is unable to be upgraded or that it requires more ram and rom to run. either way i dont think that wm7 is going to be a giant leap. ms is very slow at major changes and wm6 is basically like a sp2 for wm5 in a way. so i dont think that wm7 will be as much of a leap as most would hope.
but just my opinion on the matter i like these threads.
Lets see. Maybe it will be a WM8 or ......
Everything wich makes my device better is welcome !!!!
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End of 2007? See this older article at Brighthand
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nateshuntsvegas said:
why do you think the hermes is obsolete?
i still have my 8125 and use it every weekend. going on what like almost 3 .
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The new Tytn II is out you know...
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The new Tytn II is out you know...
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6th generation Ipods are out, does that make my 4th generation ipod obselete? Nope, works just as well as 5th and 6th gen.
Windows Mobile 7
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Considering Mobile 6 came out shorlty AFTER Windows 6 (i.e. Vista).
Then it is not too hard to imgagine the same for WM7 coming out after Windows 7 (Formerly Blackcomb or Vienna). It is slated for 2010.
But there may be an intermediate release for WM6, likely not to be named WM7, just updates/tweaks.
hehe maybe service packs? why dont mobiles have that more often... not like everything is peachy of every new device and even old ones... there are so many bugs that everyone on such communities as this one fix, that i do not understand why we dont have more service packs for mobile devices :/ esp when a number of new devices come out and need the OS to be tweaked to utilize there new features or hardware.
Don't see any special difference between the TyTN 1 and 2 except the screen that moves in a special position and a new design...
I'm personally waiting for windows mobile 14...hopefully my 8525 will run it
haha
My first PDA in 2001 had PPC2002 (Compaq Ipaq) now my Jasjam (Hermes) is WM6 with this forums help
I would not get excited about anything from msoft in the future, I cant believe that 3 revisions and 6 years and there is not that much difference.
That is why you need killer apps and xda developers to make the Hermes into an excellent device. Mine is the way I want it now and very happy with it
People I still cant believe that HTC are releasing new models that dont support 3G. There isnt a device out there you would trade a Hermes for yet??
It would be great to see a newer device with enough memory to run itself for a few hours without grinding to a halt. How about a device like the S710 with 3G? It doesnt hurt to dream? Hopefully the right people read these forums?
Windows Mobile Vista is sure to ruin EVERYTHING!!!
I've been the owner of an HTC P3300 for almost 1,5 years and I'm seriously considering of abandoning the device. My main reasons for abandoning the device:
- you have to use the stylus too much. Face it: Windows Mobile simply isn't made for finger usage. Too many buttons, tabs, menu's etc are too small to control with your fingers in a comfortable way
- the device is getting too slow. I've been annoyed more and more lately about the speed of the processing capabilities of the device
- The good Artemis cookers have left us. There's little hope that the 'perfect' finger friendly rom will ever be cooked in the future. (no offense to the other rom cookers that are still there)
Strictly speaking about functionality the Artemis and any other recent Windows Mobile wins against an iphone. Speaking about usability, after 1,5 years always running the latest customised roms (B&B 3.7, 4.1, 4.2, 4.3, 5.0 & Artemis Touch 4.01, 4.02, Oops Black v1.0) I think that I am tired in spending time in trying to improve the capabilities of a device by constantly upgrading and reinstalling stuff which should be provided by the company ofering the device on the market.
Looking at the iphone, it has a high level of usablility, it's finger friendly from its launch as it should be, runs smoothly, and its software is constantly being improved. I will never have to start installing addons or hacking registry keys to improve the usability of the OS itself.
That sayd, i''m gonna buy an iphone next week Good luck in the future all you guys with your Artemis, but i've had it with it!
BTW, I just notice my signature is already way out of date
I already have 5 HTC devices but no Artemis yet...
I voted yes because Artimes is much the same as some of my devices and I'm happy with them. I will be getting an Artemis for shure if I find a cheap second hand.
I would rader have a phone with all functions I need ...then a finger friendly Phone witch is missing some verry important apps
i'll be happy with it...my dad and cousin have it and they are ok with it,i had it and it was great...(i still maintain those two and they work like a charm)
if you decide to abandon it...i'll be happy to provide you my address (for shipping)
and i am willing to pay...both device and shipping
PM me if you want
thanks very much
Hi,
I couldn't miss my Artemis for the world, it was once in repair and I bought a new one second hand. I have it from 2006 now.
I find it perfect cause of the all in gsm+gps+wifi and perfect pocketsize and second hand price now +-€250 is relatively cheap, newprice around €350 (bought it for €550! in 2007!). It's no too small and not too big.
1- Have no problems with Artemis concerning stylus and there are 'fingertouch' programs or roms. I have the resco big keyboard for sms and picturedial in one fingertouch.
2- Processorspeed : nothing wrong with it!!!
I use gps (IGO8 heavy graphics) & call via Bluetooth together, not slow in any way.
The rom i have is the Russian WWE rom with lots of ram free.
Wifi is also fast enough but I use laptop for bigger screen offcourse.
I have also mame-roms and tested lots of software, no speed problems.
With batterystatus you can overclock to 240mhz or something, but unnescessary, and remember, fast processor = battery exhaustion. In past i had the XDA 2i & E-ten G500 (both processors about 400-500MHZ, so double) but don't miss the 'faster' processor. Have my P3300 one week in my pocket now, and battery still 25% thanks 2 the TIO OMAP processor!
People say the processor is slow, but i wonder which applications they run together then??? Maybe pocket-photo-shop or do they edit movies or something ???
3-Actually I found out that the best cook is yourself. I never cooked a rom myself, but the smartest thing to do is take the lightest rom as a base, and put your own software on it. SPB Mobile shell for example for greater today looks, Greatball Samurai weather, ...
I test now and then new roms for fun if i'm not missing anything, but you own tuning is more fun and you know what you install, no unnescessary tools to remove...
I would only be prepared to buy a new device if the price is the same.
The HTC Diamond is nice for example, maybe within 2-3 years also €250 second hand.
Most advantage for P3300 is the SDHC cardslot vs Diamond has 3G (but don't miss it at the moment)
Cheers & enjoy our Greek God Artemis
Ciao,
Innovator
still happy
Brought a used 02 Orbit from the UK for about $230 AUD delivered, have updated the Rom and find it fast and stable. it has everything I want except for HSDPA.
Having said that will more than likely buy a touch diamond when released in Australia ....
1. It has HSDPA
2. It is 19 grams lighter
3. Looks more modern with the flush screen
But in no hurry, as mentioned happy with the Orbit
Hi all,
Still happy with it.... obviously it'll not last forever but i believe that other devices are still "doing more of the same thing" and 2 years are not enough to throw away my 500€ device....
Regrats
i am still very happy with my artemis. i use spb mobile shell and that's all i need for finger friendliness (considering its a WM device...).
i am considering to get a touch diamond because it looks like the first device that is really a newer generation than the artemis (hsdpa, lighter, better look, better display and vga, more memory and faster processor). the touch diamond offers more in almost every aspect.
next time my provider wants me to profit from one of these outrageous offers i will probably get the touch.
I voted Yes, still happy!
The roms that are available are all pretty good, I'd say, and the things you're missing one widely can add using some Apps - just have a look at the Development and Hacking section.
As you've mentioned the iPhone there's enough people around who ported the interface to WM - sometimes better, sometimes not.
But even where the iPhone seems to be the state-of-the art these days in terms of usability (haven't tried it myself), there's one thing I'd be missing: free software!
Sure the Artemis never was actually really fast if you compare it to others.
Still it's fast enough for me, so the point of time when that'll change is still way ahead!
Cheers,
Markus.
I'm also still Happy with my Artemis. I could play with IPhone 3G and also with HTC Diamond, but I won't change to one of them.
IPhone's Menu is really terrible structured. The Sync Software of IPhone is Apple like unstable. And I don't need 3d TouchFlo wich is used in HTC Diamond.
I will change to a new Phone, when the finger friendly WM7 has arrived in a stable version.
Greets
Roman
Yup..still happy !
I had an upgrade recently and because I was bored (I have a low theshold for same ole same old) I got a Nokia N95, and a Blackberry Pearl, just so I can amuse myself.....but nothing prepared me for the withdrawal shock of giving up my Artemis.
Needless to say, those other phones are back in their boxes in the loft, and possibly soon on a website near you.
I wont be surprised if after a while you get fed-up with the iPhone and it's 'cult-like' approach to hardware and software, and start groping for your Artemis....which hopefully wont have been gone !
still happy with the artemis, but the voice in my head starts yelling "diamond !! go get a diamond"
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still happy with the artemis, but the voice in my head starts yelling "diamond !! go get a diamond"
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I went twice in a mobile store to see Diamond. I did not felt like "I have to buy it". It 's beutiful but I m not sure it will be my next mobile. There are a lot of discusions about problems, alot of new roms, tweaks to make it faster. Why should I be in a such trouble? My Artemis is "flying" with Vanilla4.1.
Maybe Touch Pro or Xperia will make me change mobile (or find diamond in a really low price).
Voted Yes
I'm one of the first HTC users, started with Wallaby year's ago.
Since then I was happy with my Himalaya (still using as second mobile phone), not so much with Alpine (as there was never an WM5 or WM6 version) and never with the Blue Angel (too heavy and keyboard unusable).
My very best mobile so far is the Artemis.
Fast like no other, very stable and full of functions I do really appreciate (as for example GPS, FM Radio).
Last week I got my Diamond and I really regret to say, it's not worth to buy it.
Slow like chewing gum, the Touch screen is really annoing me as using the stylus I'm sick typing up to 3 times the same position to have the function working.
Say to me I'm old fashined, it's OK.
But so far I will stay with my beloved artemis
I'm still happy with my device for what it does. And it does a lot!
I've gotten bored with it from time to time but I always come back to it. It's stable, fast, very capable, and it's very intuitive. You don't HAVE to use the stylus because you have so many input options. For one, the buttons you complained about. You don't like the buttons? That's what makes the Artemis unique - it's a small keyboardless device, with plenty of input/navigation options. It's got the scroll wheel, a pointer, a scroll ball, I've added touchflo, and 11 hardware buttons (great to use with Hbutton). There's no reason anyone shouldn't be able to set this phone up exactly they way they want to get to everything you need quickly. The programs I use most are opened with the press of one button. And inputting text with my finger nail is easier to me than using a keyboard too.
If you're not satisfied with you phone, you probably don't have it set up right for yourself, or your just bored with it. But for productivity and intuitiveness, I personally think it's one of the best WM devices ever. I bought it not because of prestige or hype like the you know what phone, but because of the lack of complaints about common problems with the device. It has none! It has the most solid reliability history - way better than the TyTn II, Trinity, the Wing, or the Eten devices I was looking at before I bought the Artemis. All of these devices have common issues like, short memory, screens going bad, bad BT stacks, wacky software, slow (even with 400Mhz), ect. The Artemis does not have one common issue that everyone has except WM itself.
And the iphone, are you kidding me! You can't do half the stuff you can do on the Artemis on the iphone. And the 3G iphone has a bunch of issues with it right now. Don't understand why people think they're going to avoid issues by going with the iphone. If you're a multimedia person, yea, but if you actually use your phone for productivity, you will not be happy with the iphone. It doesn't even multitask! If you want an iphone because your needs have changed and it fits, I'm happy for you, but I totally disagree if you think the iphone is better than the Artemis when it comes to capabilty. It all depends on your needs, but the iphone would never suite my needs. All in all, this is the best WM device I've ever used, and I've yet to see something worth upgrading to - even the Diamond. How do you quickly switch from one application to another to copy and paste rapidly on a Diamond or a iPhone? I just press the "e" button on my Artemis that's mapped "to Alt Tab" which toggles btwn programs. I can easily do that because I've got 5 other buttons to use for other stuff. These phones barely have any to use. That's one of the reasons I love my Artemis.
And why is everyone so anti-stylus? You don't really have to use it but it's great for writing out whole sentences at a time.
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So,,, which is the lightest ROM for Artemis?
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yue extraclean, alternatively vanilla 4.01
i am currently selling my iphone 2g 16GB, which i thought would be a worthy companion to make me dump my P3300...as u read i am selling the iphone!
the p330 is an all-day gear machine, which combines a number of simply working devices in one: phone, tomtom navigator, ipod/music player, office synchroniser...and the lot...and all that for a mere 100 euros these days in ebay europe!
stuff iphones and the flashy design and screen...i need a companion that works, is maintainable (exchangeable battery) and doesnt need to be pimpered and cared for in a daily basis -
greetz
p.s. htc touch hd would be an alternative, but than again i just got used, after all those years, to simpply using my p3300 without worrying about a bump here or a shake there...
i bought p3300 around 3 years back. i am satisfied with its performance. i bought nokia n900 few days back. my younger brother told me to give him one of these sets - i gave n900 away. cant part with p3300. n900 seems to have a juvenile operating system. no proper applications. moreover with that big screen they dont have a proper media player like core player or pocket player. i find my p3300 with omap far too advanced. everything i need i have on it. i format it but dont flash it - in say 6 months.
i vote for p3300. and yes, no sissy iphone for me.
Yeah!
Even I voted Yes. Because I have bought it from 2007, and I every month change its rom, I get updated and enjoy my time.
On the other hand, the processor is also not too bad!
I f you want to use Phone, Office, or write messages, that is good with FingKeyb 2.1
By the Way, it's your wish to sell it.
Best Wishes!
Thanks,
Don't revive an ancient topic please
This topic has been originally posted in 2008. I bet the OP doesn't even have the device anymore. Secondly, it's in the wrong subforum.
Therefore this topic is closed.
Hey there,
I think about getting a TP2.
Would you recommend it? What about the phone qualitiy and the touchscreen (I don't expect it to be like the iPhone, but I do not want to use the stylus all the time - I'm very surprised of the TD 2! Is it compareable)?
I'd like to have a fast phone I do not need to reboot every second.
Is even WinMo good enough nowadays?
Maybe Android is better for the future since HTC develops more Android-Phones by now? Or could it even be possible to put Android onto the TP2?
There are a lot of threads like htis out there. In short, The screen is better than the diamond. Seems a bit more sensitive but probably becausei t's igger. you won't need the stylus a lot. Questions like: is WM good enough or is it better to go android aren't to be awnsered quickly. It depends on you personal needs. I would search the forum a bit because there is a lot of info en oppinion about these subjects
Welcome to the XDA forums!
A word of advice - search before starting new threads, or you'll get flamed. There are a number of other threads already here about the merits of the Touch pro2 & most of your questions could be answered by looking around the existing threads.
I'd recommend reading & watching reviews and reading the forums - you'll get all the info you need from them, and then if it seems good you could even try a TP2 out at a local shop.
I think everyone I've heard from would fully recommend the TP2, and I would too - I don't think you'd be disappointed.
As everyone says this has been asked many times, I myself am guilty of it too.
I will try to put it in as short paragraph as possible:
Build quality is good if you put in perspective exactly what it is and what it can do for you
Screen is excellent albeit finger print prone, but what do you expect
Touch screen - no problems whatsoever
Keyboard - Have not used it yet, the touch screen is good enough for me! I use it ALOT
Win Mobile - Masked very well by TouchFlo
Features - Where do you want me to start? it does everything!
Battery - Incredibly good considering what you can with the phone (2 days so far since a 12 hour charge with moderate use - internet/emails/facebook/twitter/sms/one phone call)
My advice - go and see both the TP2 & D2 in a store, the Diamond 2 is a very good phone and if you dont need the keyboard and a more powerful battery (regardless of what magic HTC did with the D2 battery, its still under-powered) then I would seriously consider the D2 aswell.
if you really need physical keyboard, then go for TP2...
I myself used to have blue angel for about 5 years, and maybe only used the physical keyboard once or twice.. hahha... its useless for me... got tired of carrying bulky phone..
now, I am using D2 and didnt regret it at all... I love the size, its small enuf as a phone, but the screen is big enuf to do stuff... and dont forget about the price too, its a lot cheaper than TP2, with the same specs
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Hey there,
I think about getting a TP2.
Would you recommend it? What about the phone qualitiy and the touchscreen (I don't expect it to be like the iPhone, but I do not want to use the stylus all the time - I'm very surprised of the TD 2! Is it compareable)?
I'd like to have a fast phone I do not need to reboot every second.
Is even WinMo good enough nowadays?
Maybe Android is better for the future since HTC develops more Android-Phones by now? Or could it even be possible to put Android onto the TP2?
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funny............ don't worry mate its a no brainer! superadvan gave it to you in a nutshell and was spot on! td2 though similarly spec'd is rather dull and under performs IMO! very rushed update to the highly populae td1 and HTC got it wrong again. tp2 on the other hand is a very refined device and everything works as it should even touchflo, yes i said touchflo. winmo is very well hidden behind manila mask but alas some of the old drawbacks remain. however once hardspl is released for this device there will be many custom roms available with winmo 6.5 you will be very pleased. winmo is not totally finger friendly at moment but nohing wrong in using stylus every now and then!
I would rather have a WM based phone over a Linux based phone anyday.
My wife had a linux based phone before and the thing kept dropping the bluetooth connection - not a good thing when needed for hands free.
A local guy here is selling his used but excellent condition AllTel TP2 for $150. 1. Can AllTell TP2 be unlocked and used on Sprint network? I have SERO.
2. What's the best Android ROM for TP2 out right now? What's not working?
3. I have Myn's ROM on my touch (vogue) and love it very much. Will Android TP2 give me much better phone than the one I have?
Sorry I haven't had much time to research this. I need to make decision to buy quickly before he sells it to someone else. Please help. Thanks a lot!! Hoping to join TP2 community soon.
Android is not completely working on the TP2, not flawlessly .. so if you want to buy this phone so you can run Android flawlessly on it, than you should reconsider
I used an Touch Vogue for a few weeks before getting a TP2. I ran Android on the Vogue, in my quest to make the device halfway modern and usable. I don't miss Android at all on the TP2, because HTC has done a good enough job providing their own interface layer on top of WM 6.5. It's not perfect, but it's good enough that I don't feel like I need to hack the device to death, like I did with the Vogue (ended up with WM 6.5 and TouchFlo 2D on the Vogue, which was okay, but the hardware sucked too bad). I've been following Android development on the TP2, and it's way too alpha right now for real day to day use. Last I checked they didn't have data going yet. They're making good progress, but it will probably be months before it's really stable and robust.
As far as the hardware goes, the TP2 is so far ahead of the Vogue it's insane. Granted, there is still better hardware than the TP2, but you'll feel like you went from the 1990s to 2000s when you upgrade. It's hard to believe the Vogue was released within months of the iPhone, because the comparison is laughable.
Man... my TP2 is Resting in Pieces...
im happy with what i got to do with it thx to xda devs...
but had issues with stereo bluetooth...with video playback.... and more generally with slow speed of the machine...
im wondering if i should go to HD2 but that baby lacks a keyboard...
or maybe wait on a TP3 ...
Ive been a htc guy for almost 6-7 years...but there was always something to complain about with them...
before buying the TP2 i thought it was the perfect machine...until i saw how slow the cpu was...and that the HD had twice its speed....that the wm system still needed rebooting often...
I hate apple, i dont feel like trying android...i think i will hate windows 7....
like i hated vista after XP...
i like my NRG romd on TP2 and now beeing able to run Rhobuntu feels amazing...especially with a real keyboard...
but after a year with the same machine...it doesnt feel right to put 300€ in another new TP2...
i know this thread is completly pointless... unless i get some good advice...
but i just had to let it out to my fellow TP2 owners
http://www.xpphone.com/en/ cant wait to see this in the stores
No go on spending 300 euro on a new TP2. So, how about spending 193 euro on a used TP2?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=726801
as much as i love my TP2, compared to what they have out there now, the TP2 is outdated and slow. I'd try to pick up a snapdragon device if you're putting in 300 euros...seems worthless to buy outdated equipment.
Do you want to stick with WM6.5? or is there any chance you'd be willing to jump ship to android? I know this is semi-blasphemous in this forum, but i wouldn't mind a nice desire for myself (stupid ATT doesn't have any good phones. damn them!).
either way, good luck!
No offense, but you're likely making an unfair comparison.
The TP2 came with Sense 2.1. Thats what it was designed to use. Putting Sense 2.5, which was designed for another phone on the TP2, and expecting it to still perform well is unfair. It's like me putting Win7 on a computer thats 3 years old and originally shipped with WinXP. It might run, but its not gonna be pretty.
I spurned Sense altogether and went with SPB Mobile Shell. My phone FLIES. No lockups ever, better battery life, and I've grown to actually prefer the interface over time and with a lot of tweaking.
This aside, I agree with others that if I was in the market to buy a new phone right now, the TP2 is obviously outdated. Unless I was getting a crazy good deal (under $150), I'd go for something else.
Also dont forget that WM7 is likely coming out by year's end.
thx for everybody"s feedack...i actually went n bought a new TP2 for 220€ from a local ad...hoping insurance will upload me some $$
i did my unlocking with olipro app : thx for the great job on that
even though im having issues with the tp2...its a love hate relationship
i love what i can do with it...but i hate what the slow proc and maybe wm system does to me...
i really like the sense 2.5 interface but i started testing android and it seems promising... but i wouldnt go for a device with android only...i hope the port will be fully functionnal one day.
from the screens i see wm7 looks ugly so i doubt i will go for it...
i guess ill just have to keep this one clean for sale when the tp3 come out
its a shame windows/HTC are loosing the smartphone battle when they were the first ones on it...
most apps and games look like they are from the 80s compared to a iphone...
but i prefer by far sense 2.5 NRG rom with cookiemonster than than apple's interface.