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I hope I am welcome here even though I don't own an XDA.
So if someone (or more than one) that already has WM5, can give a few answers to us people just waiting to see WM5 on their machine, please do.
No more blah blah, here are the questions:
1) A clean (after hard reset) device BEFORE WM5 and AFTER, felt the same "speed"? (I am not saying it would be indeed slower or faster, but you know, the feeling you get from the GUI)
2) Memory... many things to ask here (the really interesting part)
a) Is the infamous memory slider (in "memory" settings) still there in WM5? A screenshot would be nice.
b) How much RAM ("total main" as WM2k3 calls it in "memory" settings) and how much internal storage (I don't know how it's called for XDA) was available BEFORE and AFTER upgrade?
c) You can still install software in RAM or not? What changes when choosing install location? Can you still select "default" (and where does this install the program?), internal storage and memory cards when installing?
So w.t.f. is that with the new memory model? Does it have any effect on anything? This is the most confusing part.
3) XDA has bluetooth right? WIFI? (sorry I don't remember) For both, there was a Microsoft bug (more or less in ALL wireless capable devices) that could lead you to not be able to turn on one of the wireless (or both), because the stack kept for the driver(s) was full and a soft reset was needed. Is this still an issue?
Thank you in advance. As you understand what needs clearing out mostly, is this thing with memory and storage...
1) A clean (after hard reset) device BEFORE WM5 and AFTER, felt the same "speed"? (I am not saying it would be indeed slower or faster, but you know, the feeling you get from the GUI
Answer: I found the device little slower on clean startup than on clean win2003-2003SE (Note: There are some new additional startup processes in win5 like BTIcon,SMSreceiver,Bpinsert) ..I can do some benchmark and upload results tomorrow.
Memory:
a) Is the infamous memory slider (in "memory" settings) still there in WM5? A screenshot would be nice.
Answer: There is no memory slider anymore. This means you cannot allocate manually more or less memory.
b) How much RAM ("total main" as WM2k3 calls it in "memory" settings) and how much internal storage (I don't know how it's called for XDA) was available BEFORE and AFTER upgrade?
Himalayas model (known as XDA2-MDA2) have 64Mbx2 RAM+16Mb Storage+16Mb Extended ROM+ROM.Read Wiki for more informations related to memory allocation on Himalayas devices.
In Win2k3 RAM usable was 125mb,on Win5 118.34mb.
Like I said before there is no slider to adjust memory but a user made avaiable a program that let you partition memory as you like,
(Example: you can allocate 100Mb for Program usage and only 18Mb to Storage).
Also we have found 10Mb or more free memory from ROM that can be used as Backup-storage or whatever you like,by re-allocaing it.
c) You can still install software in RAM or not? What changes when choosing install location? Can you still select "default" (and where does this install the program?), internal storage and memory cards when installing?
Answer: Yes,you can still install software to:
-RAM (Storage part)
-Storage
-Extended Rom (if unlocked and unhided)
-Storage Card
Now it is present an installation manager that let you choose the install location.
So w.t.f. is that with the new memory model? Does it have any effect on anything? This is the most confusing part.
Answer: Basically the memory have another format now and after a Battery power loss all the Data remains intact.
The Win5 registry sets the last default settings on every Soft-reset (until you disable this feature).
3) XDA has bluetooth right? WIFI? (sorry I don't remember) For both, there was a Microsoft bug (more or less in ALL wireless capable devices) that could lead you to not be able to turn on one of the wireless (or both), because the stack kept for the driver(s) was full and a soft reset was needed. Is this still an issue?
Answer: No native Wi-Fi for Himalayas model.But works with SDIO Card.
New program on settings/power/wireless let you choose what Radio activate without any encountered bugs till now.
Microsoft Bluetooth Stack was greatly improved by less power consumption,new menu to COM Ports.
thanks man
this mostly answers my questions although the new memory thing is still not very clear
you say you can still install in RAM's "storage" part, but this is not official but can be done with the program from the user you talk about? (where is this btw?)
or there is still a RAM "storage" part like in WM2k3?
as for the power loss thing... you mean even RAM "storage" contents remain? sure?
sorry, I may sound stupid but believe me the confusion is common to everyone that hasn't seen WM5 yet (so I dare be stupid and help others not to be)
thanks again
Warning: This flash will overwrite your extended_rom!
This rom is very similar to my Dopod Lite (now D-Lite!, I just thought of it!) rom, however, this one is based on bepe's modified T-Mobile 3.6 rom, so it converts your extended_rom memory into additional storage memory. Until I can figure out exactly what bepe did and apply it to the D-Lite rom, I thought I'd put this out there for all you storage memory freaks. (You know who you are.) This is pretty much equivalent to my DopodLite V1.0, so you can read that thread for info about what it looks like, and what I've done to create it. I hope it proves to be just as stable.
Like the Dopod version, this is meant to be a stable, fast starting point for your own creativity. It's much easier to mix and match applications after flashing than before. If you get tired of a particular app, just remove it and try another. If you get tired of a particular skin, try a new look. There's plenty of stable, fast storage memory for loading your today screen utilities, phone apps, voice dialers, animated screens, etc, etc.
This rom does not have: Transcriber, voice dialer, catalog, error reporting, autoupdate, phone home (ceipui), games, calculator, some audio files and other odds and ends. It does include: Office 2007 (No OneNote. Thats not particularly useful unless you have it on your desktop, in which case it installs automatically anyway.), Java, .Net, all the Bluetooth and security stuff, MMS, Camera, and the rest of the basic functionality. If you want transcriber or a voice dialer or games feel free to add them. Ditto for the calculator, which needs replacing anyway.
At cold boot:
4mb page pool: 71.47 mb total storage, 67.10 mb free storage memory, 31.19 mb free program memory. If you delete the startup folder shortcuts, the program memory goes to 31.97 mb.
6mb page pool: 67.10 mb free storage, and program memory is 29.08, and 29.87 mb respectively.
T-Lite 4mb Rapidshare Link
T-Lite 6mb Rapidshare Link
Additional FTP mirror, courtesy of claymen
Enjoy!
Other Stuff
Functionality links:
Cingular 8525 keyboard fix
Cingular WAP settings
Lots of CABs
Lots more CABs
Lots of freeware
Can you make a screenshot of it m8
Great work btw!!
Re: screen shots
It looks just like the DopodLite, except the phone has a T-Mobile skin. I have some screen shots in the Dopod thread. (see my sig)
I'll try to put some here soon.
roms not bad just feedbacking from day of flashing roms thanx
edhaas... downloading now, wil give a run later on!
problem with the wifi it dosn't connect
edward
update:
wifi is ok now after HR
Re: WiFi
edward-riko said:
problem with the wifi it dosn't connect
edward
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Hi Edward,
Got me nervous (I hadn't checked it), but I'm connected with my home network now. You may have to look up the registry setting to activate "G" capability if your home network is set up for "only G". (Or use a tweak utility that does it for you.) I'm running "G", with a linksys router with WAP, AES security. Works well.
Good luck!
Build No.
Any idea what build number is this ROM (e.g 1620 ....)
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Any idea what build number is this ROM (e.g 1620 ....)
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CE OS 5.2.1620 (build 18125.0.4.2)
To provide my feedback after a couple of hours using....
No problems encountered so far, 3G or WIFI working
Edhaas, as I am really crazy for more RAM, just a suggestion:
Removing application that is rarely used i.e. internet sharing, midlet manager, SAPsettings, streaming media, customer feedback, error reporting and some of the ringtones i.e under the windows\rings folder.
A noob question, noted that from Settings>About>version, the memory in is only 51.02 MB while the total/free storage memory is more than this. Is there any 'truth' in the version memory or just a display?
rgds
Memory discussion!
alancstan said:
To provide my feedback after a couple of hours using....
No problems encountered so far, 3G or WIFI working
Edhaas, as I am really crazy for more RAM, just a suggestion:
Removing application that is rarely used i.e. internet sharing, midlet manager, SAPsettings, streaming media, customer feedback, error reporting and some of the ringtones i.e under the windows\rings folder.
A noob question, noted that from Settings>About>version, the memory in is only 51.02 MB while the total/free storage memory is more than this. Is there any 'truth' in the version memory or just a display?
rgds
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Happy to help. Glad you're liking the rom. I'm not finding much different in feel from the D-Lite rom (which is a good thing). Everything is working well for me as well. HSPDA, a2dp, wireless stereo over wireless radio in sleep mode sounds great. No lockups so far. All my apps work as before.
Tutorial regarding memory: In this rom there are two types of built in memory, storage memory and program memory. They are physically different and cannot be interchanged via programming. In other roms, the storage memory is broken up and part if it is used as "extended_rom" which is meant to be hidden and used by carriers to put their particular customizations in, which are generally only used once after a hard-reset. This partition was about 10mb in size. Bepe has figured out a modification, which removes this partition and makes the user storage partition (where programs are stored, similar to a disk drive) correspondingly larger. Another partition is used to store the base programs which are "flashed" and include the operating system. Tadzio figured out how to move the boundary of this partition so that smaller roms will free up more storage memory as well.
So, end of history lesson. The storage memory is what is left after all of this, and is used as a "disk drive" equivalent, it is slower than the "program memory" which is like "ram" in your computer. However, storage memory is generally faster than SD card memory, and is preferred especially for "resident" or today screen type programs, because it's instantly available when you first turn on the device. Most of what I and others have done is to maximize the amount of this memory which is available to you, so you can fill it up with programs that load more quickly than if you put them in SD memory. In this rom that free space starts off at 71.47 mb, and then at start-up the operating system allocates some for it's own use, and in other roms customization programs loaded after cold reboot are loaded in there. So, in this rom there are actually 67mb available for the user to play with, which is a ton, and pretty much overkill for 99% of people including myself. As long as there are around 10mb free for the system, the device will work well.
Program memory is "ram". It is the fastest memory and programs in actual use are executed from there in chunks loaded from storage or SD card memory. It starts as 64mb, but the device uses a good chunk of it internally which we have no control over, and so reports the 51.02 mb as what is initially available. However, an additional chunk is used by the operating system, of around 15 mb, leaving the rest for us to actually use. The page pool, which is a buffer used between ram and storage memory comes out of this, as does the ram used by any start-up programs. Generally, as long as you have about 5 mb or so available, the device works pretty well.
[Edit: Addendum: In this rom I have removed error reporting and customer feedback, I'm having more difficulty removing the icons for them however. The other things you mention could be removed, but this would reduce functionality for folks who use those things, and would only add slightly to available storage memory, which as I stated above is already in the "overkill" category. I'll probably cut some more stuff in later versions as I gain experience with this rom, but I doubt there will be any noticeable difference in performance or usability.]
This is a bare-bones account, but hopefully will help you conceptualize things.
Best wishes, and enjoy!
Enjoy the silence!
Added addendum to above. Also I want to report over 50 downloads in less than 24 hours, and no real problems reported. Sounds like another quietly effective launch!
Enjoy your weekend!
Jbed Java MIDlet manager 20070622.2.1 installed but the manager application doesn't opens
edward
ROM hangs and then Hard Resets
Hi Edhaas,
I'm facing issues of Hard Resets.
This is already happenning twice in a day.
I do not have this issue using your last v1.2 versions.
Regards
Fei Yu
fychan,
Y do u need to hard reset? Pls elaborate...
rgds
alancstan said:
fychan,
Y do u need to hard reset? Pls elaborate...
rgds
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The device hangs randomly.... and once u do a softreset....
It then turns out it hard resets itself.
I'm not sure if its due to MortPlayer?
Anyone have this issue?
Regards
Never experience the problem u encountered... never install MortPlayer
Try running the rom without MortPlayer, c what happen!
rgds
@fychan, I run mortplayer and was going to flash this rom tonight.
What version of mortplayer are you running?
I am currently running 3.31b61 on edhaas's d-lite without issue.
However, on past roms (black 2.5 thru satin and sleuth's developer 2 and 3) I discovered that 3.31RC7 was more stable.
Perhaps downgrading might solve your issue.
fychan,
I can't seem to replicate your issue.
Are you running anything else that might be leading to your strange problem? I ran the latest mortplayer build, playing for a while, pausing, turning off and on, resetting... At no time did my machine reset itself.
BTW, from the little I did see, it looks like a fast little rom here. I can't keep it though as it has the sms/mms together.
Something like:
summary: The ultimate Pocket PC maintenance utility comes re-loaded with features and tools to keep your device and storage cards in perfect shape. Pocket PC Magazine Best Software 2007 Nominee!
http://classic.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=12178&associateid=373
Hi,
I found contrasting opinions about this on the web, do you think is really usefull defragmenting the mem of a pda?
Let me know your thoughts
Defragmenting the rom area, phone storage and sd card reduces access time and battery usage (although not as noticable as on a traditional harddisk) and can free up some space on the drives (also almost unnoticable)
well point is that the files are stored in a semi structured state so putting them in a faster order is always useful - it centainly isn't like a defrag on a hard disk with a head that moves around.
So no sensible improvements of performances, right?
Thx..
I tried out this app 3 or 4 times and what I got was.....that I didn´t see my installed software on "remove programs" so I couldn´t uninstall anything.
Everything was working fine,all the shortcuts were on "programs" but like I said I wasn´t able to remove apps,cause I didn´t see them.
So what I do now is I download everything on my MiniSD to my pc and format the memory card,after that everything goes back inside.
Maybe that´s not the proper way to do it,but seems to work for me.
Bye ya´ll
With all these roms with "Big storage", doesnt that mean we are taking memory for the OS? Dont know about you but i store all my info and files on the micro sd so storage isnt the problem but the OS running low on memory to the point that either the programs like "iGo" wont run. Anyone have any idea to set BIG memory if possible so my 8525 will have the memory it needs to run programs?
No you are way off track on what you are thinking Programs need RAM to run which you can add more by increasing the Pagepool we increase the PROGRAM storage if you run out of ram you should get a kaiser I have never run out and I have loaded and run every app I can at the same time
How does increasing the page pool give you more ram?
I agree, it would be nice to have max ram and just enough for storage for essential programs. I have a fast 6gb microsdhc and install everything on that instead.
Chris
i use iGo for my gps. It will say that I have no ram left, and when I check what other programs are running, i have to basically close everything down to use the program. In my older pdas running windows mobile, I had the option to toggle more storage to ram or visa vera but with wm6 I cant. Is there a hack to have more ram for the os.
The more you use the phone, even with all the programs closed the more ram it will use. Only why to clear the ram is to do a restart.
So if anyone knows a reg hack or something please share, cause so far cant find anything
To clarify (this is my understanding)
The total memory on your device is split into say 4 sections when you get it.
Program memory (RAM) -cleared on a soft reset, only holds running processes etc. CANNOT BE INTERCHANGED WITH OTHER MEMORY _ IS BASICALLY FIXED - except for Page Pool.
Storage - where you store programs/files that are not in the ROM
ROM - where the os lives
Extended ROM - additional ROM space.
Now, certain advances mean that
1. Spare space in the ROM image can be freed up and added to Storage memory - this was the original big storage adjustment
2. the Space used by the extended rom can now also be merged to Storage memory - this is the REAL BIG Storage adjustment.
3 The page pool is like a quick access holding area that the system uses to keep files it uses lots. this is part of the program memory but te system does not report it as such. Hence your total program memory plus your page pool is your real program memory. Thus, reducing the page pool will add to program memory. this may impact the performance of your system however.
All this is only my basic understanding.
crazyC said:
All this is only my basic understanding.
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... and it is completely correct. To say it very clear again:
RAM is physically different memory (different chips) from all other memory. There is no way to get more RAM by sacrificing some storage memory.
That only worked in Windows Mobile 2003, because there also Storage was in RAM. This was changed in WM5, so that data will not get lost when the battery is removed.
Cheers
tadzio
Thanks, that clears that up....lol.
Chris
Memory info
Hi,
I did a little summary of PPC memory here which might be helpful as well.
Best wishes,
Storage Memory Problem
crazyC said:
To clarify (this is my understanding)
The total memory on your device is split into say 4 sections when you get it.
Program memory (RAM) -cleared on a soft reset, only holds running processes etc. CANNOT BE INTERCHANGED WITH OTHER MEMORY _ IS BASICALLY FIXED - except for Page Pool.
Storage - where you store programs/files that are not in the ROM
ROM - where the os lives
Extended ROM - additional ROM space.
Now, certain advances mean that
1. Spare space in the ROM image can be freed up and added to Storage memory - this was the original big storage adjustment
2. the Space used by the extended rom can now also be merged to Storage memory - this is the REAL BIG Storage adjustment.
3 The page pool is like a quick access holding area that the system uses to keep files it uses lots. this is part of the program memory but te system does not report it as such. Hence your total program memory plus your page pool is your real program memory. Thus, reducing the page pool will add to program memory. this may impact the performance of your system however.
All this is only my basic understanding.
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Thank you very much! This explanation is very useful.
Now I will need some help from the more experienced users...
I'm using a T-Mobiles MDA (838Pro) running WM6, CE OS 5.2.1437 (Build 17944.0.3.1).
For the last month or so, I kept getting messages to say that my Storage Memory is critically low.
I have all my documents, ring tones, music, photos, video, etc. saved on my storage card. So there is practically nothing stored in the device ROM. I've checked all folders under "My Device", and there weren't really a lot of files in there.
I've used Oxios ClearApp and Hibernate to do clean up a few times a day. But that doesn't seems to help.
I've installed Clear Temp and use that to clean up the temp files. It works for a few days, but then the problem returned.
I've even deleted some programs, but it looks like whatever gets freed up will just be quickly be eaten up again.
Has anyone even experienced or heard of something similar? If so, please help!
Thank you very much!
John
Storage Memory Problem
jso905 said:
Thank you very much! This explanation is very useful.
Now I will need some help from the more experienced users...
I'm using a T-Mobiles MDA (838Pro) running WM6, CE OS 5.2.1437 (Build 17944.0.3.1).
For the last month or so, I kept getting messages to say that my Storage Memory is critically low.
I have all my documents, ring tones, music, photos, video, etc. saved on my storage card. So there is practically nothing stored in the device ROM. I've checked all folders under "My Device", and there weren't really a lot of files in there.
I've used Oxios ClearApp and Hibernate to do clean up a few times a day. But that doesn't seems to help.
I've installed Clear Temp and use that to clean up the temp files. It works for a few days, but then the problem returned.
I've even deleted some programs, but it looks like whatever gets freed up will just be quickly be eaten up again.
Has anyone even experienced or heard of something similar? If so, please help!
Thank you very much!
John
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Dear friends:
Things have gone worse... My Storage Memory has dropped so low that I can't even send out any long SMS anymore.
It looks like I might have found where the problem is, but still don't know how it happened and how to solve it.
First, when I open Settings>Remove Programs, I see that practically all the appication programs are listed under "Programs in storage memory", including those that weren't even installed by me, like "Cyberon VoiceCommander". I'm not sure whether this is talking about the same "Storage Memory". But I thought that when I choose "Install in My Device" when installing a program, it is supposed to go into the "Program Memory", not "Storage Memory"?
Secondly, I took a closer look under "File Explorer", and I've finally found a few files that are very large size:
pim.vol (in root directory), 6.35MB
cemail.vol (in root directory), 412KB
compimeh.0904 (in Windows directory), 16.8MB
It also looks like these files will be amended every time when I do an ActiveSync. Not sure whether this is what caused my Storage Memory to go down everyday.
Has anyone experienced something similar? Would anyone have an idea of what these files are and whether it is safe to delete them?
I really appreciate if someone can help!
Thank you very much!
John
Thanks to those who were reading and trying to help. I have part of the mystery solved.
From this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/show...=compimeh.0904
I learnt that the file compimeh.0904.dat is in fact the dictionary that the Hermes used to autofill when we type our e-mails and messages. It will keep growing as we use those functions.
I have followed the instruction on the thread and deleted the file. Now I have 16.8MB back.
But I still don't understand how 30MB of my Storage Memory would be occupied. If some friends here can shed some light, it would be most appreciated.
Pardon the silly question, but would the size of the ROM be indicative of the size in memory when installed? I ask because when looking at the "vanilla" ROMs the file size is not much smaller than or sometimes large than other ROM versions? Ive played with a few of the versions (both Kavanna and Rickys) and am still searching for the most memory Im not real "feature" dependant. Basically office and a PDF reader is all I need.
No the RAM is how much memory resources you are using.
Ok, does the ROM size determine how much "program memory" is used? Rather than install all 32 different ROMs, Im trying to determine how much "program memory" the ROM uses (there by determining how much "free memory" will be available) by the size of the ROM file before installation. I hope that made it a bit clearer.
Ok, maybe I take a different angle, which ROM leaves the most program memory after installation? I do need a PDF reader and office. Anything else is just fluff.
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Ok, maybe I take a different angle, which ROM leaves the most program memory after installation? I do need a PDF reader and office. Anything else is just fluff.
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Will be a Vanilla but the choice is yours