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Time To Modify IIWPO Theft Control.

hey guyz..
the scene is set, dont want to tell anyone where it happened by whom and ofcourse who got robbed but here's the story.
User had an o2 Xda II, customized rom, with IIWPO Theft Control installed in the rom, so that means hard reset wont wipe IIWPO out of the pda.
Robber comes puts a knife on the user's throat takes away cash and the pda, user gives it happily thinking she will get a msg on the other number with all the info of sim changed.
4 days pass by no info come's and the pda is sold or forwarded to someone else or whatever. END OF STORY.
now how did the user not get a msg of the new sim info.
1. SIM WAS NOT CHANGED.
2.SIM CHANGED BUT NO CREDIT IN NEW SIM.
3.BATTERY TAKEN OUT PDA TOTALLY DEAD TILL NEW CUSTOMER GETS IT. ETC ETC.
WHAT CAN BE DONE.
ok guyz this is the part where i would like allll the geeks & gurus to put in some effort, i know it will be tough but i have a feeling its not impossible.
CAN UR,LL UPDATE IIWPO IN SUCH A WAY THAT WHEN WE ARE FEEDING OUR NAME AND OTHER INFO IT WILL ALSO ASK FOR A SECURITY PASS TO BE PUT IN, SO THAT WHEN ROBBER CHANGES SIM THE IIWPO RECOGNIZES THE SIM CHANGE AND LOCK'S THE PDA AND ASKS FOR THE PASS, AND WONT UNLOCK TILL PASS PROVIDED, REBOOT WONT HELP.
Now ofcourse the robber can be anyone, so the robber plans to hard reset and still the device would recognize the sim change and ask for pass now so annoyed he plans to flash the device and what happens after that all of us know.
To prevent this THE GEEKS & GURUS can just build a small security patch that can wont allow flashing of device till pass given, it would work like this, we flash our device for the first time install IIWPO and the NEW SECURITY PATCH (with passwords) device is robbed, robber changes the sim gets pass error he gets pissed and tries to flash the device and that clever software would not flash the device till pass provided, this would prove that all the efforts the robber made to steal the device are gone to waste.
And ofcourse someday someone might put in a sim with credit and we would get the info.
NOT FORGETTING CHARLES WARNER FOR THE GREAT WORK HE'S PUT IN FOR ALL xda-developers.com USERS and also giving the IIWPO to us for free, REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR WORK SIR !! THANKS ALOT.

no one interested in being secured ?

I think the IIWPO idea can definitely be improved, BUT: It will never protect you from being robbed.
The true advantage of IIWPO in its currect form is to be able to get track of the 'new' owner of a nicked device. In the end: someone will put in his/her sim and then its just bing!
All other enhancements will just make sure noone else gets to use the device. Sure an improvement, but less important to me: I just want my device back and get the thief nailed!

Interesting...
But I think you have misunderstood how IIWPO works.
IIWPO does not detect if someone changes the SIM card. It ONLY acts when the someone changes the Owner Information (Start/Settings/Owner Information), so no matter what SIM card there is, as long as it has credit it will send an SMS to the recipient's phone number. That's the beauty of it, that it silently sends the SMS with the 'new' users data so there is a slight chance of knowing who's the 'new' owner.
But! This is by no means fool proof. It's what they call 'protection by obscurity', so if a savvy robber knows how to reflash the device it will get away with it no matter what features we can integrate to IIWPO.
That's one of the cool new features of WM5.0, that we can at least know for sure that our data is SAFE by wiping the info remotely if necessary.
Just a thought.
Rayan

edsub said:
The true advantage of IIWPO in its currect form is to be able to get track of the 'new' owner of a nicked device.I just want my device back and get the thief nailed!
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Rayan said:
so if a savvy robber knows how to reflash the device it will get away with it no matter what features we can integrate to IIWPO
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ofcourse this is why we all love IIWPO cause it sends use a msg, and ofcourse even if someone was to modify IIWPO iam sure that this feature would'nt wipe out.god forbid you get robbed u get a msg frm the cell but you for some reason cant track the person or some other c#@p...and the pda is gone....WHY caz it only sends sms it does not block the screen....if you were to have a feature which would jam or freeze the pda on change of the name then the pda would be useless to the robber nothing much he could do....unless he knows how to flash it...now comes a part where we can do something about not flashin the device with out a pass....this would totally make the pda useless to the robber and would also keep sendin us msgs and secondly the robber maybe maybe next time might think twice before robbing a pda and might go for something else

How about a device that would be installed internally to the xda and if it is stolen and a different sim/different user info is entered and the person makes a call it fires a large captive bolt which nails the phone to the head of the user, it then adjusts itself to full volume with all lights flashing and announcing "This is a stolen phone...call an ambulance...or hearse".,

cruisin-thru said:
How about a device that would be installed internally to the xda and if it is stolen and a different sim/different user info is entered and the person makes a call it fires a large captive bolt which nails the phone to the head of the user, it then adjusts itself to full volume with all lights flashing and announcing "This is a stolen phone...call an ambulance...or hearse".,
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tht would be great..... are u goood enough to build something like tht ?

Rayan said:
But I think you have misunderstood how IIWPO works.
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I perfectly understands the IIWPO functionality. It was me who put together IIWPO for other devices than Wallaby.
Let me explain how my earlier post should be interpreted: Sure it is triggered by the change of owner info, but most thieves (or buyer from a stolen device) will put in another SIM (simply because they dont have the pin of the stolen sim or because the stolen sim is blocked by the network). Thus: As soon as the 'new' owner puts in a SIM AND he/she has changed the owner info (and every one does that!) the sms is sent.
Also: Eventually a thief might flash a device, but ost certain a thief (or buyer) starts it up to test whether its working or not.
Imho IIWPO can be improved, but practically chances of getting a device back will not significantly improve

edsub said:
Rayan said:
But I think you have misunderstood how IIWPO works.
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I perfectly understands the IIWPO functionality. It was me who put together IIWPO for other devices than Wallaby.
Let me explain how my earlier post should be interpreted: Sure it is triggered by the change of owner info, but most thieves (or buyer from a stolen device) will put in another SIM (simply because they dont have the pin of the stolen sim or because the stolen sim is blocked by the network). Thus: As soon as the 'new' owner puts in a SIM AND he/she has changed the owner info (and every one does that!) the sms is sent.
Also: Eventually a thief might flash a device, but ost certain a thief (or buyer) starts it up to test whether its working or not.
Imho IIWPO can be improved, but practically chances of getting a device back will not significantly improve
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Sorry edsub, I should have specified to whom I was refering to (zairyaab) when I wrote that comment.
Best regards,
Rayan

np m8

edsub said:
It was me who put together IIWPO for other devices than Wallaby.
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Can you explain what should I change in the cab to make it work on other devices (Like ETen M500/Torq P100)?
edsub said:
Imho IIWPO can be improved, but practically chances of getting a device back will not significantly improve.
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Yeah, but still I would feel somewhat better if I can at least call the thief/buyer and shout some expletives if he/she refuses to cooperate!!! :twisted: :lol:
Best regards,
Rayan

i have my girlfriend's number as my report number.. what if were together and we got robbed both our phones are taken away.. a multiple report number would be a good addition to IIWPO

The changes I'd like to see done to IIWPO include:
a) not using "IIWPO" or 'xda-developer' in the registry (user customisable registry key)
b) user customisable executable file name (IIWPO_startup is like a dead giveaway)
c) not storing owner name & number 'in the clear' (a simple XOR to hide it would be just as effective)
d) a hash of the entire owner info page (not just the last name) so unit will resend an SMS if any info changes
e) a new sms is resent after a preset time (eg: every 24/48/120 hours for example), regardless if owner info has changed or not.
I also like the idea of multiple number reporting.
a,b,c) Considering the concept of IIWPO is 'security by obscurity'; it will help if one could hide it more effectively. (no one is going to bother too much about bluetooth.exe or msn_update.exe in the startup folder for example...)
d) Most people get their name right; then meddle with the other bits of information as time goes on - it'd be good to get 'updated' info as and when it happens.
e) Consider it a 'keep alive' thing, so we'll know the unit is still in use, and can continue to keep in touch with the new owner =) I've no moral issues burning up the credit of someone who refuses to give me back my property either. =P
If nothing else, we'd be able to know when the unit gets reflashed, and can quiety say goodbye to our unit after not hearing from it for a while... =(
Is IIWPO still being maintained by the author, or anyone on xda-developers? If not, is the source available? I might be interested in following up on it (time permitting...)
Edited to add: A really vicious version of the IIWPO would possibly send out:
a) phone numbers stored in the SIM card
b) phone numbers stored in the addres book
c) recently dialed/received phone numbers
d) recently sent/received SMS phone numbers
Not all in one go; but in bits and pieces (eg: every 20 startups; send phone numbers of last 5 SMSs sent/received + last 5 phone calls dialed/received).
That would allow us get in touch with his friends and would possibly aid in getting the unit returned (use your imagination... probably easier to get them tell you who/where he is, rather than to get them convince him to return it...)
Probably this would add too much bloat to IIWPO; but hey, could be useful... =P

WOW, ok.
First of all - I registered 2 this forum less than a week ago,
and great job for doing these kind of things.
second - where can i d/l the prog?
and last another idea: when some1 steals ur pda he's usually gonna sell it over. meaning he made his money.
HOWEVER - if even after a HR after changing sims (maybe even without) there will be a picture message saying:
"You cannot use this phone"
"This phone can only be used by me - *name*"
"However, Im willing to buy this phone back from you. call +......"
there wont be a place on the screen to enter the code.
however - the phones' user knows he can type his password and unlock the phone. you might even integrate a handwriting recognition programm for signature or somthing but that will be super hard, i know.
another option is that when seeing this message user has to touch 4 corners of the screen with the stylus in a specific order, then he'll have a please enter password screen.
any comment?
is it do-able?

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=IIWPO

It's beautiful... what is it?

So i've enabled Engineering Mode on my phone. I can understand a couple of the items that it shows, but does someone have a page/manual that defines what each one is?
I actually know a little about cell phone networks, so a description of each field would be a great start .
Thanks,
A.

apadua said:
So i've enabled Engineering Mode on my phone. I can understand a couple of the items that it shows, but does someone have a page/manual that defines what each one is?
I actually know a little about cell phone networks, so a description of each field would be a great start .
Thanks,
A.
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Maybe you cano post how to enter engineering mode?
Also exactly what are the items you want explained?

\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\EngineerMode
Set it to 1
Then call *#*#364#*#*

apadua said:
\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\EngineerMode
Set it to 1
Then call *#*#364#*#*
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It seems that I don't have this registry key in my QTEK9000 so i cannot help you. Sorry.

the key is only for HTC Wizard (and maybe Charmer)

Is there anything like this for the Universal?
I'm all for seeing things that other people don't usually see =)

can we reset call timers?

is it possible to reset call timers ...... cuz i have tried it wid hard reset but waz of no use ?

please do a search.

Resetting call timers belongs to the same league as IMEI-changing.
It involves direct access to the RADIO-part of your phone and can render it useless easily.
Cheers,
vma

vma said:
Resetting call timers belongs to the same league as IMEI-changing.
It involves direct access to the RADIO-part of your phone and can render it useless easily.
Cheers,
vma
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lies!
1 bootloader command can't brick your phone.
japun
http://buzzdev.net/index.php?option=com_phorum&Itemid=125&phorum_query=read,40,8283,30192

thanx but wat is mtty ?

Hi,
What I said where no lies and when you say "a bootloader command cannot brick your phone" then you don't know what you are talking about.
Notice that I did use the word "CAN".
For your information:
mtty is a tool to communicate through a serial communication, which is actually made through USB (tunnel).
With it you can send commands through the bootloader directly to the microcontroller of the radio part of the phone, which is a chip/device of it's own.
If you make a mistake sending those at-commands, you may i.e. change the way it communicates with the rest of the phone, thus you render it useless. If you know what you are doing, that should not happen.
Cheers,
vma

vma said:
Hi,
If you make a mistake sending those at-commands, you may i.e. change the way it communicates with the rest of the phone, thus you render it useless. If you know what you are doing, that should not happen.
Cheers,
vma
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what's that with? [email protected]?
I challenge someone to be idiotic enough to brick their phone through the standard AT interpreter.

Ok. I reconsider what I said.
By the way: is there a known list of AT commands?
Cheers,
vma

vma said:
Ok. I reconsider what I said.
By the way: is there a known list of AT commands?
Cheers,
vma
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check out the tecnical information on the Universal's wiki page.

I did. Only Bootloader commands are listed, not the AT-commands.
Cheers,
vma

vma said:
I did. Only Bootloader commands are listed, not the AT-commands.
Cheers,
vma
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sorry about that, overlooked that. got to ask the bootloader gurus.

The purpose of reset the call timer?
To sell the phone as new?

CWKJ said:
The purpose of reset the call timer?
To sell the phone as new?
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I think you can't bluff the physical condition

lost active sync

i am sorry if this has been asked before.
i have watching you guys on here for a while now.long story short, i got shafted on ebay. i bought a herm100, fantastic, then it got barred via imei.
i have tried everything but was scared to ask on here because, every time i see that someone does ask 4 help with this sort of thing he gets shot down by one of the senior members as a noob, or worse a thief.
anyway i have now managed to really screw my new toy up by editing something or other( cant remember what). and now i have no active sync.
i have tried to hard\soft reset but stop Nada.
please can somebody help this noob at least get it to work as a pda again,i don't care about using as a phone as i still have my spv c550.
again if this has already been asked i apologize to all those senior members who get upset about that sort of thing. but it is not that easy to find what u are looking for, when u don't know what to look for, among the 1000's of threads on here.

The easiest way to make it works as a PDA after you chaning something is HARD RESET.

Nghiem said:
The easiest way to make it works as a PDA after you chaning something is HARD RESET.
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i have tried both a hard reset and remove the battery but no help, but thank u for you reply
tony

May be stating the obvious, but did you follow these instructions for a 'hard reset'? It's different than a soft-reset...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Resets
This reverts your device to it's original factory settings (unless of course you've flashed an updated or cooked ROM). To learn how to do that, go to the link above, then to the Hemes WIKI:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
Scroll down and look through the sections "Hacks & Tweaks", "Upgrading and Cooking", and "Upgrading Problems:".
Good Luck

aquanaut88 said:
May be stating the obvious, but did you follow these instructions for a 'hard reset'? It's different than a soft-reset...
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Resets
This reverts your device to it's original factory settings (unless of course you've flashed an updated or cooked ROM). To learn how to do that, go to the link above, then to the Hemes WIKI:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Hermes
Scroll down and look through the sections "Hacks & Tweaks", "Upgrading and Cooking", and "Upgrading Problems:".
Good Luck
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ty for your reply i have found the fault now it wasnt my pda it was my usb hub that has gone down. only noticed when i tried to make a call on voip and had no mike.
like i said on my original thread i have been watching this site for a couple of months now after paying htc 20gbp to unlock my c500.
i have managed to unlock all my phones myself since then with what i have found on here. and this has been my first post.
bty i have already upgraded my rom to pro black 3.0 radio1.41.
once again ty very much.
now i will wait and keep serching 4 a way to reset my imei

don't think you can reset yr imei as it is the manufacturer's way to identify your machine during assembling.
my advice, sell it off, to another country and get a new one.
chances are yr imei is only blocked with operators in your country.
cheers, Leo

i will find out next month going to thailand for holiday i will see then
in the mean time i am looking for a new mainboard. cause that will fix it 4 sure

How I flashed my Evo OFF Boost and fixed the MEID

EDIT: found out that though the method I wrote up here works fine, there is a simpler way. I'm leaving the original post because I learned a lot about my phone in the process and maybe someone else would want to as well.
EASY WAY:
unroot your phone and return to stock: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=780141
hard reset (from hboot) and it resets everything to stock
when you call in to sprint to activate they will have you do this: ##yourmslcode# and enter your MDN and MSID
BAM!!! you're all done
I bought an Evo on craigslist cheap. The MEID on the phone was good. The one stored IN the phone was not a Sprint MEID. Also, all the settings for MMS, data, etc were changed and unusable on Sprint. The Sprint store told me I was screwed and the local cell store wanted to charge me $100.00 to fix it. I spent close to 20 hours on forums trying to figure out how to fix it. The answers I got were conflicting, and people were generally not helpful with comments like RTFM and accusations of doing illegal stuff. So, I decided I would share what worked for me to save the next guy from the same anguish.
This tutorial will probably suck so don't ***** at me if it does, at least I'm trying to help. Also don't look to me for help or blame me if you break something I AM NOT AN EXPERT. That said here you go:
#1. Download needed software:
HTCDiagDrivers
QPST_2_7_Build355
QXDM31136
#2. Root Phone
Follow this post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838448
(make sure you use a Sense based rom not AOSP)
#3. Get MSL Code
Connect phone to internet via WiFi
Go to Market on your phone
Install "MSL Reader"
Run it and write down the code
#4 Install and Setup Downloaded Software
Install QPST
Open QPST Configuration from start menu
Click on "Ports" tab
Click on "Add New Port"
In the field "Port" enter "COM4" (THE PORT ON YOUR COMPUTER MAY BE DIFFERENT. COM5, COM6, ETC)
In the field "Port Label" name it. I called it "Evo"
Click "OK" and exit
Install QXDM
****My computer (Win7) had issues installing these automatically. This is what I had to do to get it installed:
-extract zip
-Put Evo in Diag mode ##3424#
-plug in Evo
-go to "Device Manager"
-find the Evo (you should see it with a "!" by it)
-right click it and select "Update Drivers"
-click "Browse my computer for driver software"
-click "Let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer"
-click "Have Disk"
-browse to the location of the extracted "HTCDiagDrivers" folder and select the driver
-click "OK" and let it install
#5 Make your MEID writable:
Follow this tutorial Steps 1-5:
***The following thread doesn't explain Step 1 (flashing the radio) so I will tell you how
(1)RADIO
-download radio 2.05.00.06.10
-(DO NOT EXTRACT) copy to your phone's micro SD card
-reboot into recovery
-select "flash zip from sd card"
-choose the radio you copied to your card
-reboot
http://cdmagurus.com/forum/showthre...id-on-the-Evo/page7?highlight=clone+evo+boost
Immediately follow on to the next step
#6 Write Your MEID
(I initially tried another command found in this and then in a different post and could not get the MEID to stick after a reboot so this is what I did)
Copy the MEID(hex) from the back of your Evo underneath the battery
Put Evo I Daig mode ##3424#
Plug Evo into computer via USB
Open QXDM from start menu
Go to "Options" > "Communications"
Click the drop down menu next to "Target Port"
Select "COM4" (or 5,6,etc)
Click "OK"
In the field "Command" enter: "RequestNVItemWrite meid 0x&&&&&&&&&&&" replacing the "&"s with MEID from the back of your phone
Exit QXDM
Reboot Evo
#7 Restore provider settings for data, mms, and such:
***Call Sprint to activate your new phone. Probably best you don't tell them your issues. I didn't do the programming as they had told me but I said I had. This may or may not be important, but is what worked for me. Write down your MSID when they tell you it.
Enter EPST from the dialer ##3282#
Select "Edit"
Enter you MSL code
Select "Advanced"
Select "MSID"
Enter the MSID Sprint gave you
Hit menu
Select "Commit Modifications"
Let phone reboot
Enter EPST from dialer: ##3282#
Select "Edit"
Enter your MSL code
Select "Data Profile"
Press menu button
Select "Restore"
Phone will reboot and run a bunch of stuff. Let it run until it gets to "Checking for Firmware Update" press cancel (might not be important but it's what I did just because I didn't know if it would mess up my "rooted" ROM)
#8 Flash back to stock or the ROM of your choosing and enjoy your Evo!
If this How-To was unclear or I left something out let me know. I know there are many methods and I don't suggest this is the best, only what worked for me.
Here is a link to a similar thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=937652
It doesn't deal with anything having to do with MEID but might be helpful

This will work with all evo's or only ones with older Hboots and older partitions?
Thanks
Oh, and I do believe you but your name makes it a bit harder to, LOL.

cordell12 said:
This will work with all evo's or only ones with older Hboots and older partitions?
Thanks
Oh, and I do believe you but your name makes it a bit harder to, LOL.
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I don't know what it will work on.
The Evo I did says hw v 0003 in settings > about phone
When I vol down + power on it says:
supersonic evt2-3 ship s-off
hboot-2.10.0001
radio-2.05.00.06.10
Before doing this I had updated everything hoping it would somehow fix it. (radio/nv/etc except) and had flashed CM7RC2, myn's warm, and several others just to play with it. I read some that someone with hwv4 having issues downgrading radio but that might have been user error. Also, from what I understand you can zero out the MEID to make it writable (Step#5) using other methods without having to downgrade the radio. This is simply what worked for me.

nice write up

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The answers I got were conflicting, and people were generally not helpful with comments like RTFM and accusations of doing illegal stuff..
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Because it is illegal what you're doing.

To the OP, in step #5, you mention about changing the radio. What is the purpose of this? What if the device has a more recent radio? Thanks!
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mbg19 said:
Because it is illegal what you're doing.
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no... the person who ported it OFF of sprint was the one breaking the law. he was doing the right thing and porting the phone BACK to sprint.

heldunder said:
no... the person who ported it OFF of sprint was the one breaking the law. he was doing the right thing and porting the phone BACK to sprint.
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Cloning an esn either way is wrong, if you break into security of a bank to return stolen money, you still broke into a bank just with good intentions, may be a bad metaphor but you should get the point, cloning both ways is illegal

gpz1100 said:
To the OP, in step #5, you mention about changing the radio. What is the purpose of this? What if the device has a more recent radio? Thanks!
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From what I understand from reading the refrenced thread it has something to do with the trick used to make the MEID writable or it will not work.
mbg19 said:
Because it is illegal what you're doing.
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I think you misread something somewhere.
iitreatedii said:
Cloning an esn either way is wrong, if you break into security of a bank to return stolen money, you still broke into a bank just with good intentions, may be a bad metaphor but you should get the point, cloning both ways is illegal
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I'm not going to get into this ridiculously played out debate and really it's off topic. If you can link to an actual government site that clearly states editing the MEID for such purposes is illegal or cases of actual criminal prosecution please post links.
Repairing the MEID is not like breaking into a bank to return money. That's absurd. It's like restoring the VIN on a car or ID# on a car stereo (which btw if have a car stereo you bought from some guy in the state of WI and it doesn't have a serial number it's a $500 fine just for having it in your possession even if there's no evidence it was ever stolen) If I had repaired the serial # on the stereo do you think I would have gotten a fine for fixing it? Don't be silly

This is nj, if you need more you can look yourself, close thread, http://www.romingerlegal.com/new_jersey/appellate/a4869-96.opn.html
untruestory said:
From what I understand from reading the refrenced thread it has something to do with the trick used to make the MEID writable or it will not work.
I think you misread something somewhere.
I'm not going to get into this ridiculously played out debate and really it's off topic. If you can link to an actual government site that clearly states editing the MEID for such purposes is illegal or cases of actual criminal prosecution please post links.
Repairing the MEID is not like breaking into a bank to return money. That's absurd. It's like restoring the VIN on a car or ID# on a car stereo (which btw if have a car stereo you bought from some guy in the state of WI and it doesn't have a serial number it's a $500 fine just for having it in your possession even if there's no evidence it was ever stolen) If I had repaired the serial # on the stereo do you think I would have gotten a fine for fixing it? Don't be silly
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iitreatedii said:
This is nj, if you need more you can look yourself, close thread, http://www.romingerlegal.com/new_jersey/appellate/a4869-96.opn.html
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From the link:
The end-result of this process is the creation of two telephones, the original and a "clone," that carry the same telephone number and serial number.
That is not what is going on here. The OP is not cloning, there are not two phones with the same number. I don't see anything wrong (morally or legally) with this.
OP = Good write up, and while it does not apply to me, I see how this can be useful to the Evo community.

Thanks iitreatedii for the link it was very informative but I think you missed the point.
Thank you rugedraw for clarifying.

oh lord no please no more talk of all this illegal esn business im going to throw gasoline on my computer and burn it down i have to hide all the evidence and claw my own eyes out for seeing this. i have a htc hero a epic 4g touch pro 2 and lg optimus all on boost with the same number if you catch my drift

LOL...that's too funny! I think people on here sometimes get carried away with what's illegal and what isn't. I know I might be going off topic but I remember when I had an iPhone back in the day and I mentioned to someone that I jailbroke it and they were like OMFG, that's illegal....you'll go to jail!!....I seriously doubt that the government is going to waste time and money going after ONE SINGLE person that jailbroke/cloned an esn or whatever......in these cases you read about how someone got locked up for doing such a thing it was because A. they were stealing someone's information/money or B. they got greedy and started running a craigslist/ebay business out of their mom's basement........SO LIKE jay said....let's cool it on the whole illegal/legal deal......no one has to burn a computer down or burn their fingerprints or change their names and move to mexico....ALRIGHT?!..lol...All the OP was trying to do was save someone the headache of researching the damn info themselves!
You either let the kid post it on here or it gets posted on some other forum....either way, the information WILL BE OUT THERE!

There are plenty of threads about the legalities out there. I'll say this and lets let it go:
1) although prosecution is extremely rare and most references to laws about it are out-dated altering an esn IS illegal.
2) people that get off telling other people that everything is illegal are probably just acting out because their parents didn't hug them enough growing up.
3) it is against forum rules because the forum can get in trouble because it is illegal.
4) REPAIRING the esn is not illegal and not against forum rules.
5) the topic of this thread involves REPAIRING the esn, not altering it.
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i think the main issue here is that by showing someone how to "undo" it that person can easily figure out how to "do" it. it is a PITA to find all this info but by posting it here people who steal phones...(bastards) can have easy access by searching a few keywords.
i don't think it's wrong but this info could fall into the wrong hands and that would make my evo a target.

it's just like when I had my 88 VW GTI there is a easy way to break into one just jab a screwdriver through the door right below the handle and jiggle it. well I read about this on a website selling reinforced steel plates that you weld inside the door to prevent this.
the point is, you are empowering people by giving them the tools they need to change or clone an esn/meid. for good or for evil
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thedudejdog said:
i think the main issue here is that by showing someone how to "undo" it that person can easily figure out how to "do" it. it is a PITA to find all this info but by posting it here people who steal phones...(bastards) can have easy access by searching a few keywords.
i don't think it's wrong but this info could fall into the wrong hands and that would make my evo a target.
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Keep in mind that this write up is somewhat advanced, not every thief out there has any idea of what to do with the phone in order to make it 'usable'... all they want is cash. Note that there is high risk of bricking the device as well (since the procedure requires to mess up with the weakness of the EVO: its radio)
Also, this information has to have been available somewhere else thus the risk you run getting your phone stolen for this purpose is the same as it was before this was written.

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From the link:
The end-result of this process is the creation of two telephones, the original and a "clone," that carry the same telephone number and serial number.
That is not what is going on here. The OP is not cloning, there are not two phones with the same number. I don't see anything wrong (morally or legally) with this.
OP = Good write up, and while it does not apply to me, I see how this can be useful to the Evo community.
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I agree...I'm so sick of this cloning illegal/isn't illegal. Good piece

good write up, I hope someday I can use it.
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