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[Radio Rom Hack] UTMS 1900

Guys,
the jasjar is capable of getting 1900mhz band but my question is can you mod the radio rom to use 1900 for UTMS instead of 2100?
i know its never been done but dosent mean its not possible unless some kind of hardware issue.
please let me know what you guys think, this would be a great hack so we in the USA using the Cingular network can have 3G
-1way

It's my understanding that while the Qualcomm chipset is capable of this, there are licensing implications, and the radio rom has never had the necessary software switches activated.
Also, there's going to be a hardware issue with necessary aerial for UMTS on that band missing I would assume.

well i see in the NETWORK/BAND area of the jasjar it says 1900PCS so i woudl think t he ant would be capable of getting a 1900 signal
can we take the radio rom from other cingular 3g devices and have one look at the "switches" to add then to a HTC universal radio rom?
this would be awesome as i am bummed out that my over 1,000 phone cant connect to 3g because cingular used 1900 instead of 2100..
why cant the world be standard already...
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[Cingular Blackjack Specs USA 3G]
# Dual-band domestic UMTS/HSDPA - 850/1900 MHz
# Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE - 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
[Imate Jasjar Specs WW 3G]
#Dual-Mode UMTS/GSM
# Tri-Band GSM/GPRS (900/1800/1900) + WCDMA(UMTS) (2100MHz

Oh if this were possible I would love this so much GPRS is just too slow

1wayjonny said:
well i see in the NETWORK/BAND area of the jasjar it says 1900PCS so i woudl think t he ant would be capable of getting a 1900 signal
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That's on the GSM chipset though, not the UMTS Qualcomm chipset.
1wayjonny said:
can we take the radio rom from other cingular 3g devices and have one look at the "switches" to add then to a HTC universal radio rom?
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I'm pretty certain, over a year on from it's release, if it was possible, someone would have done it.
1wayjonny said:
this would be awesome as i am bummed out that my over 1,000 phone cant connect to 3g because cingular used 1900 instead of 2100..
why cant the world be standard already...
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The world does have a standard, the USA just never adopts it.

That's on the GSM chipset though, not the UMTS Qualcomm chipset.
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Ah ok but the ant question is still up in the air
I'm pretty certain, over a year on from it's release, if it was possible, someone would have done it.
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yea but things aren't done until properly motivated, being the 3g service is new here in the USA and the rest of this forum has had not reason to really... its efforts seemed deeply untapped... =)
The world does have a standard, the USA just never adopts it.
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yes tell me about it, here use GSM/UTMS but make it non standard....
well its because 2100 is in use over here....
but this hack would be such a great feature for all us XDA USA members who just got shot by cingular...
no 3g cause my expensive phone dosent support it...

I will give $200 to someone to do it.

he world does have a standard, the USA just never adopts it.
That's the point!

dewild1 said:
I will give $200 to someone to do it.
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i would start a pot and donate 200 myself!!!
but we would need to find out if its possible before collecting money

UMTS on 1900 isn't even my annoyance. I just want quad band compatibility! I go to a University I *live* on the more urban side of the campus, but my classes are 15 mins away, in a more rural area...and the service SUCKS. I get so tired of the 'no service' beep in my bluetooh, I just turn the phone mode off. But then I'm unreachable...
I really wish I could get all four bands...-crosses fingers- C'mon 850...!

snipes mcgee said:
UMTS on 1900 isn't even my annoyance. I just want quad band compatibility! I go to a University I *live* on the more urban side of the campus, but my classes are 15 mins away, in a more rural area...and the service SUCKS. I get so tired of the 'no service' beep in my bluetooh, I just turn the phone mode off. But then I'm unreachable...
I really wish I could get all four bands...-crosses fingers- C'mon 850...!
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Get an external antenna, or do everyone a favor in your class, hall this around! http://www.wpsantennas.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=509

dewild1 said:
Get an external antenna, or do everyone a favor in your class, hall this around! http://www.wpsantennas.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=509
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Oh wow. Thanks, but I do not need the whole school thinking I have emphysema with that oxygen tank-looking thing in my room...lol.

dewild1 said:
I will give $200 to someone to do it.
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I would double that!

Who is Using their Diamond in the US on ATT?

I am starting this thread because there are a few of us out there who are using our Diamonds in the USA. As such who has the 3G working with ATT? What Radio are you using? What cool cabs are you using? Cheers.

I started this 2 weeks ago
I have a Diamond on At&t network......ALL IS GOOD.....EVERYTHING!!!!!!
Peace
Mike

I just got mine, and it is working on phone on AT&T ... but I haven't tried data connections yet. (WiFi works great.)
(The thing is so feature-stuffed it's hard to take it all in!)
I'm trying to understand how to enable the 850Mhz band, which involves flashing a new ROM, I think. Right now it has 1.93.456.2 WWE
My understanding is that it wont do 3G in the USA, even with a new ROM.

snigfargle said:
I just got mine, and it is working on phone on AT&T ... but I haven't tried data connections yet. (WiFi works great.)
(The thing is so feature-stuffed it's hard to take it all in!)
I'm trying to understand how to enable the 850Mhz band, which involves flashing a new ROM, I think. Right now it has 1.93.456.2 WWE
My understanding is that it wont do 3G in the USA, even with a new ROM.
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That is correct. GSM 850/1900 work just fine, EDGE works. No 3G :-(

I have a diamond on AT&T and all is good except 3G data is not working only Edge. To enable the 850Mhz band you will need to flash the 0.5 Radio. Of course you also use any ROM of your choice but the only Radio that enables the 850Mhz band for now is the 0.5.
Hopefully someone will unlock the 850 3G for good.

im on att as well, im thinking of going diamond or touch pro. The 3g being activated for data is critical for me. Does anyone know for sure if the limitation is only software based, or is there hardware differences?

psperos said:
im on att as well, im thinking of going diamond or touch pro. The 3g being activated for data is critical for me. Does anyone know for sure if the limitation is only software based, or is there hardware differences?
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No confirmation either way on this. It's been asked (and awaiting an answer) by lots of people. It's the "$64K question".
So, right now, there are 2 Radio ROMs that support 850 Edge/GPRS/Voice. And 0 Radio ROMs that have been confirmed to support 850 3G.
I think we're all still also waiting for the Telstra Radio ROM dump that works on Telstra's NextG/3G network. Supposedly some "custom" .06 radio. Need to wait and see.
Just a gentle reminder: don't get Radio ROMs mixed up with the other OS/software ROMs. THey are independent of eachother. It's the Radio ROM that is needed that might make 850 3G a possibility.

I'm on AT&T in so cal and once I flashed the radio to .05 my edge reception was much better and more consistent. Still waiting on Telstra radio to see if 3g works

I have the 0.5 radio, and EDGE is working just fine for me in Pasadena, CA.
Just how much faster would 3G be as compared to EDGE, if it was enabled in the phone?
Is there a way to find out what frequency the radio is currently operating at?

snigfargle said:
I have the 0.5 radio, and EDGE is working just fine for me in Pasadena, CA.
Just how much faster would 3G be as compared to EDGE, if it was enabled in the phone?
Is there a way to find out what frequency the radio is currently operating at?
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My friend, not only 3G is ages faster than egde but also the quality of the calls are crip clear since the network/phone when switched to 3G will use a different codec when making a call thus calls are clear...

Hey guys, would you please be so kind and post in the appropriate categories. We are talking here about ROM development. So the forums are still overcrowded and filled with doubled information and useless posts. Let's try to keep this place as clean as we can.
Thanks

3G on ATT?

Changed every setting I can find on my new Touch Pro 2 but no HSPDA...
Think my phone is defective?
Any post appreciated

um... first of all, if you own a TP2, then you own a version that doesn't support US 3g.
Second.... wel no thats pretty much it.. sorry man.. If you want 3g speeds, you have to wait for AT&T to release their version of the TP2 (called the Fortress). As it is now, any TP2 that is unlocked is limited to Edge speeds. Sucks i know, but thats how it is Unless AT&T is in Europe and uses different bands for 3g over there that im not aware of.

Darn it. I know you're right it's just disappointing.
Thanks for laying it all out there for me.
Still a super cool phone tho! I hope it's not worn out before 3G makes it to me...
Was a very good replacement for my Sedna

My available WCDMA bands are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Which is kinda funny because my Sedna will do 3G on the GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850) and this Touch Pro 2 will not.

kwburress said:
My available WCDMA bands are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Which is kinda funny because my Sedna will do 3G on the GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850) and this Touch Pro 2 will not.
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tha tis because its radio doesnt actually have those available. it may list them but they are not available. you cant always trust the interface. this has been the case with the TP1,Diamond 1, TP2 and the HD

TP2 supports 900/2100 UMTS band and missing the 1900 (Reason why I didn't get TD2 or TP2). I have an Xperia X1i which supports the 1900 band and it works with ATT 3G flawlessly

kwburress said:
Darn it. I know you're right it's just disappointing.
Thanks for laying it all out there for me.
Still a super cool phone tho! I hope it's not worn out before 3G makes it to me...
Was a very good replacement for my Sedna
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Umm, correct me if Im wrong but wont the particular touch pro 2 you have never support att's 3g? I think if you want an touch pro 2 that works with their 3g you have to buy the one branded for them dont you?

Link278 said:
Umm, correct me if Im wrong but wont the particular touch pro 2 you have never support att's 3g? I think if you want an touch pro 2 that works with their 3g you have to buy the one branded for them dont you?
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currently yes. Thats not to say someone will not figure out how to get the bands enabled but so far the efforts for the TP1 and the HD have not proven successful (last i heard). If someone firgures out how to enable them (if even possible) i believe this community would put some money in their hands me included

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currently yes. Thats not to say someone will not figure out how to get the bands enabled but so far the efforts for the TP1 and the HD have not proven successful (last i heard). If someone firgures out how to enable them (if even possible) i believe this community would put some money in their hands me included
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wait does that mean that the unlocked versions technically are compatible with USA 3g but they just have it disabled?

Link278 said:
wait does that mean that the unlocked versions technically are compatible with USA 3g but they just have it disabled?
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No the bands just arent there. I've been a helper monkey for testing the US 3g capabilities of TP1 and helping with hacking attempts on it and trust me its not happening and I'll bet same on TP2

NorthAmerican 3G Network on TP2 ??

any idea if i change my radio version on TP2 by installing AT&T or T-Mobile it could works the 3G on it?? i have TP2 EURO Version witch is runing on Edge Speed Network.

Its highly unlikely. The only reason i'm not gonna say a definitive no is because of the rumored world tp2. Now if its anything like the last like 3-4 HTC phones the antenna for the USA 3G bands is not installed in the device so u can do all the software u want but it won't change the fact that u won't get 3G

not gonna work, there's nothing u can do. This has been addressed many times, just search.

to bad as a good phone like tp2 does not support North American 3G
maybe i should sell it because this phone one of the best in market for now and the made it in very hight quality brand but no 3G it means no internet on it 2 bad.

NorthAmerican 3G Network on TP2 ?? ¡¡¡Wait!!!
Hi guys, you must wait for the AT&T´s Fortress aka TP2
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming ( 850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS tri-band global 3G ( 850/1900/2100 MHz)
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Fortress-phone-pb_3712.html

cobra1971 said:
maybe i should sell it because this phone one of the best in market for now and the made it in very hight quality brand but no 3G it means no internet on it 2 bad.
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you really should have read up on this forum before you bought the phone. like esincho said, this has been addressed many, many times.

bujucito said:
Hi guys, you must wait for the AT&T´s Fortress aka TP2
GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming ( 850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS tri-band global 3G ( 850/1900/2100 MHz)
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Fortress-phone-pb_3712.html
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that's not really an accurate pic of AT&T's TP2. especially because of the QWERTZ keyboard. this was discussed too lol

cobra1971 said:
maybe i should sell it because this phone one of the best in market for now and the made it in very hight quality brand but no 3G it means no internet on it 2 bad.
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i would never go as far to say u cant use the net at all the push pages make it very usable and edge isnt that slow its much slower than 3g but ive been replying to xda posts on my tp2 with no problem. if u want to stream stuff then ur out of luck

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i would never go as far to say u cant use the net at all the push pages make it very usable and edge isnt that slow its much slower than 3g but ive been replying to xda posts on my tp2 with no problem. if u want to stream stuff then ur out of luck
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I live in a 3G arean and i had 3G devices before and i do not see a speed difference between EDGE and 3G

mac208x said:
I live in a 3G area and i had 3G devices before and i do not see a speed difference between EDGE and 3G
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Yeah, there is not much of a difference if you use EDGE or 3G on the phone itself. I do everything on EDGE, and i'm quite happy. The peak i got here is 20kb/s and is fast enough for my everyday needs. I can even stream youtube normally, just like my PC.
The big difference here is when you tether. On everything else, EDGE is fine.

I live in a 3G area and just switched from my xperia to the touch pro 2 and there is a huge difference depending on what browser u use. And youtube loads very slow on edge at least for me it does. 3G was much faster!

Based upon my experience with the Touch HD T8282 in the US I wouldn't recommend anyone here buy the Rhodium 100 with European 3G. I'd suggest waiting for the Rhodium 300 with the UMTS850.
EDGE Sucks, forget any streaming....period.

^agree, usa 3G is a must have for speedy internet, streaming, etc.

mmdirk said:
Based upon my experience with the Touch HD T8282 in the US I wouldn't recommend anyone here buy the Rhodium 100 with European 3G. I'd suggest waiting for the Rhodium 300 with the UMTS850.
EDGE Sucks, forget any streaming....period.
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Hi Mmdirk,
Is there anyway to identify physically or on Windows a Rhodium 3oo from a Rhodium 100?
Regards
Omar

well if you put the skyfire browser it makes a major differnece in speed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTXgBcegnrs

osanchezm said:
Hi Mmdirk,
Is there anyway to identify physically or on Windows a Rhodium 3oo from a Rhodium 100?
Regards
Omar
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Omar,
If you bought yours from Mobile City Online then there is no doubt yours is the Euro version Rhodium100. The US version has not yet been released. Lift up the battery cover and the model# should be under the battery.

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Omar,
If you bought yours from Mobile City Online then there is no doubt yours is the Euro version Rhodium100. The US version has not yet been released. Lift up the battery cover and the model# should be under the battery.
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Hi Bersca,
You are right, it is a Rhodium100
Regards
Omar

Im sending mines back!!! That was a deal breaker for me... they should have been upfront about it... Unless I can figure out how to put US 3G on here, I'm sending it back to Hong Kong...

Upfront??? Its all over these forums on HTC's website. I'm not sure how much more information you needed? A big red sign? I don't understand this confusion.

Lenstar said:
Im sending mines back!!! That was a deal breaker for me... they should have been upfront about it... Unless I can figure out how to put US 3G on here, I'm sending it back to Hong Kong...
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seriously, stop posting your sob story in any thread you find.
it's no one's fault but yours that you bought the European version that doesn't run 3G in the US. if you had done your research instead of relying only on whatever online store you purchased it from, you would have known that the Rhodium 100 doesn't have the necessary bands to support 3G here.
all that info is in this forum, all you had to do was look. so stop blaming the online merchant for not being "upfront" with you, because no one here will care. it's your fault for not researching the phone further than "ooohhhh the screen tilts and it's a 3.6 inch WVGA resolution and it has dual speakers and blah blah blah" learn from this mistake so you won't waste your money and posting space on the forum.

[Q] simple mobile on att tilt 2

i just recently left att to switch over to simple mobile with my att tilt 2.....and a question i want to ask is why am i only getting edge with this network? i know this phone is capable of 3g, hsdpa/hsupa sppeds.....if anyone can help me with this it would be greatly appreciated....

While the phone is capable of 3G, the new network may not be and/or may not be the same 3G as what the AT$T network is.

nu240sx said:
i just recently left att to switch over to simple mobile with my att tilt 2.....and a question i want to ask is why am i only getting edge with this network? i know this phone is capable of 3g, hsdpa/hsupa sppeds.....if anyone can help me with this it would be greatly appreciated....
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because simple mobile is probably a cheap service provider, so they use lower tier satellite and are lower priority than people who pay the extra bucks for good service

ive been using my tp2 with simple mobile for awhile and they are capable of 3g service. You might just have to goto your connection settings and check to see if you have it checked that you connect through a proxy. If its not put this ip address: 216.155.165.50 after you put that in goto the advanced settings right underneath where you wrote the ip and change the port number from 80 to 8080

nu240sx said:
i just recently left att to switch over to simple mobile with my att tilt 2.....and a question i want to ask is why am i only getting edge with this network? i know this phone is capable of 3g, hsdpa/hsupa sppeds.....if anyone can help me with this it would be greatly appreciated....
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The answer is quite 'Simple.' (Don't laugh, I know it wasn't funny...) AT&T's 3G network operates on 1900/850MHz bands while Simple Mobile uses the same bands for 3G as T-Mobile, which is the 1700/2100MHz bands.
Toput this clearly, in order to use Simple Mobile's 3G network on a Touch Pro2, you will need the T-Mobile branded device.

... As can be seen in their FAQ
What phones work on Simple Mobile 3G? Only phones with 1700/2100 AWS band work on our 3G network
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uncleswoop said:
because simple mobile is probably a cheap service provider, so they use lower tier satellite and are lower priority than people who pay the extra bucks for good service
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What satellites??? Cell networks use towers, not satellites. Is this information from a source you can cite, or just a notion you thought up in your head?

cajunflavoredbob said:
The answer is quite 'Simple.' (Don't laugh, I know it wasn't funny...) AT&T's 3G network operates on 1900/850MHz bands while Simple Mobile uses the same bands for 3G as T-Mobile, which is the 1700/2100MHz bands.
Toput this clearly, in order to use Simple Mobile's 3G network on a Touch Pro2, you will need the T-Mobile branded device.
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The ATT version of the TP2 (the Tilt2) has the 2100 MHz radio. But it could be that Simple uses the 1700 MHz band in the OPs home market, and that is why he isn't getting 3G.

redpoint73 said:
The ATT version of the TP2 (the Tilt2) has the 2100 MHz radio. But it could be that Simple uses the 1700 MHz band in the OPs home market, and that is why he isn't getting 3G.
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Because of the high bandwidth of 3G networks, they require an upstream channel and a downstream channel. The 2100MHz band is to be used in conjunction with AT&T's 3G networks in other parts of the world, namely Asia, which is on the 900/2100MHz 3G bands. The AT&T tilt2 lacks the hardware to make connecting to Simple Mobile's 3G network possible.

3g on simple mobile
thanks for all the replies to help me understand why i cant get 3g speeds on my att tilt 2 on the simple mobile network...its a shame with all the roms, cab files and etc...no one has a hack for this...

nu240sx said:
thanks for all the replies to help me understand why i cant get 3g speeds on my att tilt 2 on the simple mobile network...its a shame with all the roms, cab files and etc...no one has a hack for this...
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No one has a hack because what you are asking for is impossible. It's not a software limitation. Your hardware does not support their 3G network as I've mentioned twice above. The radio in the tilt2 does not operate in the frequency range of Simple Mobile's AWS network. I really can't make it any more clear. You can either deal with no 3G or get a branded device. Those are your only options.

nu240sx said:
thanks for all the replies to help me understand why i cant get 3g speeds on my att tilt 2 on the simple mobile network...its a shame with all the roms, cab files and etc...no one has a hack for this...
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thats because something like that would be illegal (if at all possible.)
and you would not find it on this site. and im pretty sure it would be too complicated for you and guarantee you a bricked phone.
good luck

uncleswoop said:
thats because something like that would be illegal (if at all possible.)
and you would not find it on this site. and im pretty sure it would be too complicated for you and guarantee you a bricked phone.
good luck
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Please stop posting things like this. This is the second time in this thread alone that you haven't even been close to being right. The legality of this has absolutely nothing to do with the post, nor is it actually illegal. It actually that seems this topic is too complicated for you.

still no way to exceed at&t's phone limitations? I have the captivate and am trying to find a way of making the 3g possible. so far i havent got it but all the help in the world will be appreciated. there has to be a way to do it and i know that it is here where i will find the help. Thanks in advance to all!

justlovejoy said:
still no way to exceed at&t's phone limitations? I have the captivate and am trying to find a way of making the 3g possible. so far i havent got it but all the help in the world will be appreciated. there has to be a way to do it and i know that it is here where i will find the help. Thanks in advance to all!
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OK, I looked up Simple Mobile. They use the T-Mobile 3G network. Sorry, your AT&T phone will not work 3G on that network - it has the wrong hardware modem. You are stuck with EDGE unless you get a different device.

Maybe try useing a T-Mobile radio? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=549939

I have my tp2 on simple mobile as well & 4 tha most part itz good service occassionally I pic messaging issue but 4 tha most itz good service but in android I had 2 input tha apn manually yea yea I kno this is tha wm section but come on ppl who really usez wm since tha android port got so much better damnit I can't wait 4 nand then it might be fucc wm 4 good
sent frm tha 573 tp2 midwest *****

LiquidXed said:
Maybe try useing a T-Mobile radio? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=549939
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That will just not work. It is not the radio firmware, it is the hardware.

dswaggz said:
I have my tp2 on simple mobile as well & 4 tha most part itz good service occassionally I pic messaging issue but 4 tha most itz good service but in android I had 2 input tha apn manually yea yea I kno this is tha wm section but come on ppl who really usez wm since tha android port got so much better damnit I can't wait 4 nand then it might be fucc wm 4 good
sent frm tha 573 tp2 midwest *****
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Come back when you lose the text-speak and can speak English.

dswaggz said:
Hey how bout this blow me an I'm new port,fl so come get u some
sent frm tha 573 tp2 midwest *****
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Ooh, another internet tuff guy. I'm shaking.