I am starting this thread because there are a few of us out there who are using our Diamonds in the USA. As such who has the 3G working with ATT? What Radio are you using? What cool cabs are you using? Cheers.
I started this 2 weeks ago
I have a Diamond on At&t network......ALL IS GOOD.....EVERYTHING!!!!!!
Peace
Mike
I just got mine, and it is working on phone on AT&T ... but I haven't tried data connections yet. (WiFi works great.)
(The thing is so feature-stuffed it's hard to take it all in!)
I'm trying to understand how to enable the 850Mhz band, which involves flashing a new ROM, I think. Right now it has 1.93.456.2 WWE
My understanding is that it wont do 3G in the USA, even with a new ROM.
snigfargle said:
I just got mine, and it is working on phone on AT&T ... but I haven't tried data connections yet. (WiFi works great.)
(The thing is so feature-stuffed it's hard to take it all in!)
I'm trying to understand how to enable the 850Mhz band, which involves flashing a new ROM, I think. Right now it has 1.93.456.2 WWE
My understanding is that it wont do 3G in the USA, even with a new ROM.
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That is correct. GSM 850/1900 work just fine, EDGE works. No 3G :-(
I have a diamond on AT&T and all is good except 3G data is not working only Edge. To enable the 850Mhz band you will need to flash the 0.5 Radio. Of course you also use any ROM of your choice but the only Radio that enables the 850Mhz band for now is the 0.5.
Hopefully someone will unlock the 850 3G for good.
im on att as well, im thinking of going diamond or touch pro. The 3g being activated for data is critical for me. Does anyone know for sure if the limitation is only software based, or is there hardware differences?
psperos said:
im on att as well, im thinking of going diamond or touch pro. The 3g being activated for data is critical for me. Does anyone know for sure if the limitation is only software based, or is there hardware differences?
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No confirmation either way on this. It's been asked (and awaiting an answer) by lots of people. It's the "$64K question".
So, right now, there are 2 Radio ROMs that support 850 Edge/GPRS/Voice. And 0 Radio ROMs that have been confirmed to support 850 3G.
I think we're all still also waiting for the Telstra Radio ROM dump that works on Telstra's NextG/3G network. Supposedly some "custom" .06 radio. Need to wait and see.
Just a gentle reminder: don't get Radio ROMs mixed up with the other OS/software ROMs. THey are independent of eachother. It's the Radio ROM that is needed that might make 850 3G a possibility.
I'm on AT&T in so cal and once I flashed the radio to .05 my edge reception was much better and more consistent. Still waiting on Telstra radio to see if 3g works
I have the 0.5 radio, and EDGE is working just fine for me in Pasadena, CA.
Just how much faster would 3G be as compared to EDGE, if it was enabled in the phone?
Is there a way to find out what frequency the radio is currently operating at?
snigfargle said:
I have the 0.5 radio, and EDGE is working just fine for me in Pasadena, CA.
Just how much faster would 3G be as compared to EDGE, if it was enabled in the phone?
Is there a way to find out what frequency the radio is currently operating at?
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My friend, not only 3G is ages faster than egde but also the quality of the calls are crip clear since the network/phone when switched to 3G will use a different codec when making a call thus calls are clear...
Hey guys, would you please be so kind and post in the appropriate categories. We are talking here about ROM development. So the forums are still overcrowded and filled with doubled information and useless posts. Let's try to keep this place as clean as we can.
Thanks
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I wanted to revisit this discussion that has crept into a couple of other threads.
I have a Diamond I bought from Hong Kong back in mid-June. I'm in Canada and using the phone on Rogers' network. I'm afraid I don't remember the shipped ROM and radio, but it was one of the early ones.
In spite of other threads that say Diamonds out of Europe and Asia can't use Rogers 3G network, I was definitely able to access it. The download speeds were very fast (I downloaded a 40 MB podcast file in a matter of seconds) and the HSDPA "H" showed regularly (sometimes switching to EDGE in poor reception areas).
I decided to change the ROM a couple of days ago and have tried a number of different ones (Dutty 1.6, HK WWE 1.93.831.1, Elite 3.0) and tried some different radios (v1.00.25.07 and v1.00.25.05) but was never successful in getting HSDPA back and now I can only get EDGE.
I have searched the whole site for useful input on this subject but have yet to see anyone who has had HSDPA on Rogers like me. Was I just lucky or is there no way I could have been getting 3G? Can I get back to the early ROM and radio to see if it would work again (in spite of the slower performance)?
Help would be appreciated.
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I wanted to revisit this discussion that has crept into a couple of other threads.
I have a Diamond I bought from Hong Kong back in mid-June. I'm in Canada and using the phone on Rogers' network. I'm afraid I don't remember the shipped ROM and radio, but it was one of the early ones.
In spite of other threads that say Diamonds out of Europe and Asia can't use Rogers 3G network, I was definitely able to access it. The download speeds were very fast (I downloaded a 40 MB podcast file in a matter of seconds) and the HSDPA "H" showed regularly (sometimes switching to EDGE in poor reception areas).
I decided to change the ROM a couple of days ago and have tried a number of different ones (Dutty 1.6, HK WWE 1.93.831.1, Elite 3.0) and tried some different radios (v1.00.25.07 and v1.00.25.05) but was never successful in getting HSDPA back and now I can only get EDGE.
I have searched the whole site for useful input on this subject but have yet to see anyone who has had HSDPA on Rogers like me. Was I just lucky or is there no way I could have been getting 3G? Can I get back to the early ROM and radio to see if it would work again (in spite of the slower performance)?
Help would be appreciated.
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Which phone model do you have? You can find it under battery, should look like DIAMXXX
vt2000 said:
Which phone model do you have? You can find it under battery, should look like DIAMXXX
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It is the DIAM100
i wish i could help. i have the same phone, contry and provider, but never did have 3g working with the stock rom, and radio. but im on pay as you go so no 3g for me anyway! but think mine shipped with RUU_Diamond_hTC_Asia_HK_WWE_1.34.831.1_52.24.25.08_0.93.25_Ship
i am on fido and it doesnt work
htcfanboi said:
i am on fido and the 3g works fine
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What kind of hardware of you using? Diamond 130?
I just cant see HTC wasting the money to have 2 different sets of hardware for European and american bands. That would be 2 different assembly lines, sets of workers, etc. But I am getting serioulsy frustrated trying to find out if I can download a Radio that will work with at&t 3g......
I just spoke to an Expansys rep and he said they will be receiving a NA version in 3 weeks, I asked if this was going to be a different hardware version he seemed very sure it was
I still am very skeptical..... for a launch this big, on top of that, at&t is getting the touch pro, and when it comes to htc products, at&t will only sell quadband pocket pc's. I really still doubt this will be different hardware. Especially if the person who posted this already had 3g on their EU diamond until they flashed a different rom.
EDIT* also, it could be he wanted to make a sale when they got them in, rather than you buy a European one now. Just one salespersons point of view.
Here is a link, let me know what you find. These are A BUNCH of the old roms. Let me know which one lets you have the 3g band
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400411&highlight=stock+asian+rom
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It is the DIAM100
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I have the same DIAM100, it originally came with 1.93 and I did not even have GSM850 until I flashed latest official ROM with 850Mhz support. But I'm in US and AT&T uses 850Mhz for WCDMA bands here.
I really hope you are right and DIAM100 can pick up 3G bands in NA
Sorry to interrupt, but what package you have with Rogers and $? I have the same phone and carrier, but I heard the data package here is a ripoff...
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Sorry to interrupt, but what package you have with Rogers and $? I have the same phone and carrier, but I heard the data package here is a ripoff...
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Yes, it's a huge ripoff but I was on Rogers site this morning...and I see that they have a promotional package on until Aug. 31. $30 for 6GB...added to your current voice plan. That's not too bad...their current pricing for 5GB is $100/mo.
...probably for the IPh**e launch...
Unl. internet for at&t in US, 15 dollars. They dont know I have a PDA
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Here is a link, let me know what you find. These are A BUNCH of the old roms. Let me know which one lets you have the 3g band
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400411&highlight=stock+asian+rom
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Blazer, thanks for this link. I spent a while trying out old ROMs but without success. I don't ever remember seeing "3G" but I did get an "H" (I'm not too sure what that means though). I have read through other posts and see that people are successfully getting voice on the 850 band and hoping for UMTS to follow on future radio versions.
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Sorry to interrupt, but what package you have with Rogers and $? I have the same phone and carrier, but I heard the data package here is a ripoff...
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I'm using the Rogers $30 for 6GB package and do quite a bit of surfing now and will probably do more audio streaming. I figured that since you have to pay something like $25 for 2 MB, $30 for 6GB is a relatively good deal.
Let's just say I am a real fan of WM 6.5 and my brief expereince with Android left me with much to desire. The TP2 is nice, but very large. I am stuck with T-mobile as they are the only ones that give me good signal at my house.
Does anyone know any good touch screen WM phones that can still utilize T-Mobile's 3G signal when unlocked?
Android would be awesome if it's native software would sync all of exchange and hotmail. If that was the case, I would go back. The K-9 software blows, and that is the only thing to come close to syncing hotmail. The Touchdown software for purchase works great with full exchange sync, but again, you must purchase it. Oh, and the camera sucks on the MT3G. Barely ever focuses.
The TP2 is great except the size. I don't really even need the slide-out keyboard. I actually prefer the touch keyboard.
Thanks in advance for any help.
Touch Diamond 2 (AKA AT&T Pure) is basically a TP2 minus the hardware keyboard. Maybe it's what you're looking for?
That would be great. But the way I understand it is that AT&T uses a different frequency for their 3G data than T-Mobile. And if the phone was already branded AT&T, it is set for that frequency. So even if you unlock it, it will not use 3G data from T-Mobile.
If I am wrong, please someone tell me, because it would be great to get that Touch Diamond 2.
After some quick searching on the interwebs, it looks like the Touch 2/Mega maybe what I am after or the HD2 (not released yet). Anyone know if the Touch 2 will work with T-Mobile 3G?
Unfortunately there is no real option other than the TP2 (or other 3G phones offered by T-Mobile) to get 3G service on the T-Mobile USA network.
It has to do with the frequencies that T-Mobile USA is using along with the type of 3G that they are implementing. A little web research indicates that T-Mobile is using the 1700/2100 frequencies with the 1700 used for uploading and the 2100 used for downloading.
You need both bands present to even think a phone will work on the T-Mobile 3G network, otherwise the best you can hope for is EDGE speeds.
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......T-Mobile is using the 1700/2100 frequencies with the 1700 used for uploading and the 2100 used for downloading......
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I highly doubt that. T-Mobile only use 1700mhz. There are at least 4 phones listed on phonescoop that use Tmo's 3G and with only 1700mhz band, all samsung: SHG-T659, T749, T469 and T559. If Tmo uses 1700 for uploading and 2100 for downloading then those 4 phones listed above can only send MMS and not able to get on the internet? I highly doubt that.
Edit: You can try EMobile phones from Japan. They use 1700mhz band for their 3G.
http://emobile.jp/products/
I had question on 3G network bands. I know Tmobile HTC TP2 has 1700 and 2100 UMTS for 3G coverage which is not compatible with AT&T 3G network.
Is there any way to make it compatible with AT&T 3G network? By upgrading ROM? By making some hardware changes -> How and Who would do it?
Thanks for your time. Thanks.
not possible at this time
i think if you could force hardware to work at frequencies it wasnt built to would have people buying alot less branded and locked phones.
No, the device itself is technically able to receive these frequencies, but the real problem lies with the antenna. Olipro once said he forced the frequencies on one of his devices by somehow modifying the SPL or radio (something like that, anyway), but he didn't receive any more frequencies than he did before, because the problem is with the antenna. The antenna cannot receive these frequencies, so your device is stuck with T-Mobile's 3G frequencies.
Guys, its the same reason as with the Tilt/HTC Kaiser operating on T-Mobile (although I think it was a diffrent piece of hardware. I remember a website briefly had a hardware mod that was capable, but ultimately the parts were as much as the phone....screw that
Does this apply to the EDGE network also? I recently upgraded from my AT&T FUZE to The T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 for the larger screen. I was disappointed that I lost access to AT&T HSDPA/HSUPA network but after reading this post I understood.
But the phone says I’m connected to EDGE but my average speed is 36K, equivalent to GPRS. On my previous FUZE with 3G disable & HTC 620, even a few dumb phones, the EDGE speed was always 200K+.
I don’t think is related to my location, I normally get great connection at home and at work and both locations same speed. I don’t think it is the ROM, I’ve tried a few with the same result, I’m currently using the latest Energy ROM Phoenix.
Edge & GPRS
No, Edge and GPRS are both quad band so if your device will connect to one, it will connect to the other when the signal is available. Only 3G is typically dual band. The Tilt2 picks up 3G on 850/1900/2100MHz so it has one crossover frequency with TMO, but I don't know anyone that has tried picking up 3G on TMO with a Tilt2
No, there are no limits on EDGE frequencies, as all the Rhodium variants are quad band GSM and EDGE capable, and they all support the same GSM/EDGE frequencies. It's only the HSPA frequencies that are different across different Rhodium variants, because the frequencies are so fragmented with different carriers and in different countries.
Thanks for the info.
It's amazing we put a man on the moon(over 30 years ago!) and have made so many technological feats but this we can not do...
If the phone was built one way, it's gonna stay that way.
I don't think there has been a single person in the existence of the earth that has taken apart one of these devices and replaces the radio.
Please prove me wrong.
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It's amazing we put a man on the moon(over 30 years ago!) and have made so many technological feats but this we can not do...
If the phone was built one way, it's gonna stay that way.
I don't think there has been a single person in the existence of the earth that has taken apart one of these devices and replaces the radio.
Please prove me wrong.
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It is not that it can't be done, it is just not worth your time to do it. You would be better off selling your TP2 version and getting one the works with your bands.
Thanks for all the information
As I understand to accomplish the thing that I intend to do would need total hardware replacement.
However I wonder if there are any techniques and/or ways to enhance download/upload speed with EDGE? The current EDGE speed on AT&T is very slow. I believe T-Mobile EDGE speed (I used Blackberry Pearl 8100 on T-Mobile earlier) was comparable to 3G speed on AT&T (I have Blackberry Bold 9700 from Office on AT&T). Why EDGE on AT&T is very slow?
Am I doing something wrong with communication settings? I'm using "wap.cingular" as my APN (Access Point Name).
Thanks again for all your valuable inputs.
juiceppc said:
It's amazing we put a man on the moon(over 30 years ago!) and have made so many technological feats but this we can not do...
If the phone was built one way, it's gonna stay that way.
I don't think there has been a single person in the existence of the earth that has taken apart one of these devices and replaces the radio.
Please prove me wrong.
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can you put yourself on the moon? its not that easy. you can remove the radio and corresponding internals. but you have to remove it from a working device thats already capable of those frequencies. and then why not just use that phone? its so pointless.
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As I understand to accomplish the thing that I intend to do would need total hardware replacement.
However I wonder if there are any techniques and/or ways to enhance download/upload speed with EDGE? The current EDGE speed on AT&T is very slow. I believe T-Mobile EDGE speed (I used Blackberry Pearl 8100 on T-Mobile earlier) was comparable to 3G speed on AT&T (I have Blackberry Bold 9700 from Office on AT&T). Why EDGE on AT&T is very slow?
Am I doing something wrong with communication settings? I'm using "wap.cingular" as my APN (Access Point Name).
Thanks again for all your valuable inputs.
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Try a different radio, I'm using 4.49.25.88 and my speed increased from 37K to 102K, still sucks but better. I also read on the here that switching GPRS authentication form PAP to CHAP may help also. The switch didn't work for me. I know I can get up to 200K so I will keep trying tweaks.
4.49.25.88 ? Where do I put this in Connection Settings?
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4.49.25.88 ? Where do I put this in Connection Settings?
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It's not a connection setting, it's a whole new package of code for the radios in your phone (phone, EDGE, 3G, bluetooth, wifi), and is flashed to your phone just like a full new ROM (but you can keep whatever ROM you're currently using, even if it's stock).
Pending a test I'm trying to run here, this may also help with the EDGE vs voice issue you've posted the other thread about...I think a different radio might help you with that as well.
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4.49.25.88 ? Where do I put this in Connection Settings?
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You can find radios in the ROM section.
I apologize, I feel like we're hijacking this thread. But here's a pic of my current speed using mobile speed test. Must better than it was before.
New Radio didnt help
I flashed Hard SPL and then 4.49.25.88 radio on Tmobile HTC Touch Pro 2 (with WM 6.5 official ROM).
I didn't increase the internet (download/upload) speed. With earlier Radio, the speed topped at 76 k bits per second, lowest at 19 k bits per second and averaging between 30 to 45 k bits per second. (I did about 10 to 15 tests using dslreports.com/mspeed)
With 4.49.25.88 radio, it never went above 40 k bits per second. Averaging between 19 to 25 k bits per second. Actually reduced speed compared to earlier radio.
I'm not sure what should I try next???? please help!!!
blueguy19 said:
I flashed Hard SPL and then 4.49.25.88 radio on Tmobile HTC Touch Pro 2 (with WM 6.5 official ROM).
I didn't increase the internet (download/upload) speed. With earlier Radio, the speed topped at 76 k bits per second, lowest at 19 k bits per second and averaging between 30 to 45 k bits per second. (I did about 10 to 15 tests using dslreports.com/mspeed)
With 4.49.25.88 radio, it never went above 40 k bits per second. Averaging between 19 to 25 k bits per second. Actually reduced speed compared to earlier radio.
I'm not sure what should I try next???? please help!!!
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Try .91, trust me you will find one that is perfect for your carrier and area.
I flashed Energy ROM with .88 radio, it did improve download speed. But still don't receive calls while using data.
Hi All,
Ive been looking at the custom roms, now finally done it to my DHD after 7 months of owning it and its now Fantastic!
Just 1 thing that confuses me though, looking at the rom i have and other roms, they describe to have the 4G connection speeds? However the DHD is a 3G handset? Can this be correct? Is it just a software change? Or is it diown to hardware and cannot be true?
Thanks in advanced.
Dobby
Im not sure on this being a software change as the 4g part requires a beefy antenna. I am guessing that this is carrying the same hardware (less a couple of toys) for the US version of the handset 4g is plausible. However Being plucky Brits we do not have a 4g network yet,
The closest we get is HSDPA which is 3.5g (7mb download apparently).
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Im not sure on this being a software change as the 4g part requires a beefy antenna. I am guessing that this is carrying the same hardware (less a couple of toys) for the US version of the handset 4g is plausible. However Being plucky Brits we do not have a 4g network yet,
The closest we get is HSDPA which is 3.5g (7mb download apparently).
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Ahh, didnt know that 4g werent in use over here yet! lol... 3.5 aka HSDPA is what the DHD uses aint it??
Cheer mate!
So I finally called ATT and got the subsidy unlock code for my Tilt2.
I popped in a Tmobile sim and it instantly works fine in every function except the connections speed. I am getting Edge only.
My question is, Can this be improved by the addition of a more recent radio? Or am I stuck with Edge due to the hardware in the ATT version of the phone?
I haven't played with this phone for almost a year except for a week in December or so when I reflashed to FireStorm 7.4 while my Captivate had crapped out. So I am kinda out of the loop on this. I was told the Captivate can't run Tmobile 3G no matter what radio I run. But I was hoping since the Tilt2 has been out so long someone might have figure out something. I see the FM radio was worked out after we thought it was impossible.
My rom and radio for the Tilt2 are in my signature. Any hope of updating it for 3G speeds?
It's by hardware. I have both phones as well due to that scenario.
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FireRaider said:
So I finally called ATT and got the subsidy unlock code for my Tilt2.
I popped in a Tmobile sim and it instantly works fine in every function except the connections speed. I am getting Edge only.
My question is, Can this be improved by the addition of a more recent radio? Or am I stuck with Edge due to the hardware in the ATT version of the phone?
I haven't played with this phone for almost a year except for a week in December or so when I reflashed to FireStorm 7.4 while my Captivate had crapped out. So I am kinda out of the loop on this. I was told the Captivate can't run Tmobile 3G no matter what radio I run. But I was hoping since the Tilt2 has been out so long someone might have figure out something. I see the FM radio was worked out after we thought it was impossible.
My rom and radio for the Tilt2 are in my signature. Any hope of updating it for 3G speeds?
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Tmobile offers 3G on 1700 MGHZ and ATT is on 850 or 1900. The ATT phone does not have 1700, so there is no hope of your device working on TMO 3G in the Americas.
Edge is all you will get, as TMO still has the quad band GSM capability.
Thanks guys. I guess the extra sim with data is not all that handy then.
It still seems odd that even by flashing a new radio it wont work. I have digital radio equipment (scanners, Ham Radio) that has huge bandwidth and I would think that modern cell phones would have the same capability. But obviously it doesnt work.
Do the international versiopns of the phone have the extended frequency range capability or is it still the same problem?
The manufacturers are too cheap to enable all the frequency bands.
Actually I suspect there is a setting hidden somewhere in the radio's NVRAM that can change the available frequencies, but nobody has found it. The chipset is the same across most of these models, and obviously the radio's antennas work across all the frequencies (since they already do for 2G). And as one obvious example, the Samsung Vibrant (which was T-Mobile only) can have its radio software-unlocked to work with other 3G frequencies.
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The manufacturers are too cheap to enable all the frequency bands.
Actually I suspect there is a setting hidden somewhere in the radio's NVRAM that can change the available frequencies, but nobody has found it. The chipset is the same across most of these models, and obviously the radio's antennas work across all the frequencies (since they already do for 2G). And as one obvious example, the Samsung Vibrant (which was T-Mobile only) can have its radio software-unlocked to work with other 3G frequencies.
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Interesting. My other phone is a Captivate, which is pretty much the same as the Vibrant. I have been looking into a dual Sim adapter to run both my ATT and TMO sims in the same phone. I was told the Captivate cannot run on the TMO 3G frequencies. I will have to look into this further. That is very good information. Thanks.
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Interesting. My other phone is a Captivate, which is pretty much the same as the Vibrant. I have been looking into a dual Sim adapter to run both my ATT and TMO sims in the same phone. I was told the Captivate cannot run on the TMO 3G frequencies. I will have to look into this further. That is very good information. Thanks.
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Galaxy-S Unlock http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=761045
Debug menu http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...850mhz-and-1900mhz-bands-too.-Works-on-ATT-3g.
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The manufacturers are too cheap to enable all the frequency bands.
Actually I suspect there is a setting hidden somewhere in the radio's NVRAM that can change the available frequencies, but nobody has found it. The chipset is the same across most of these models, and obviously the radio's antennas work across all the frequencies (since they already do for 2G). And as one obvious example, the Samsung Vibrant (which was T-Mobile only) can have its radio software-unlocked to work with other 3G frequencies.
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I know where that setting is but the limitation seems to be in hardware.
either that, or there is a lot more hacking required than just changing the NV setting.
Hey, care to share? Can this setting be toggled using e.g. AT+HTC_DM? Is it a no-op or is there any visible effect from changing it?
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