Develop Bugs

Request to ROM Chefs

shortly... I'll be cooking my own ROM anyway, however, for now, could you good chaps consider incorporating HardSPL 1.13 into your NBH images... most people on these forums are (for want of a better word) ****wits and it'd really avoid problems if Hard-SPL was flashed as a course of the update.
obviously I can't force anyone to do anything at all, but please consider it.

Olipro said:
shortly... I'll be cooking my own ROM anyway, however, for now, could you good chaps consider incorporating HardSPL 1.13 into your NBH images... most people on these forums are (for want of a better word) ****wits and it'd really avoid problems if Hard-SPL was flashed as a course of the update.
obviously I can't force anyone to do anything at all, but please consider it.
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no dramas oli

actually, I was rather aiming at amusing people than "drama"... my point still stands

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actually, I was rather aiming at amusing people than "drama"... my point still stands
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"no dramas" is an aussie expression meaning "no problem" etc

no worries "mayte"

Olipro said:
no worries "mayte"
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its actually 'mate'....

Olipro said:
shortly... I'll be cooking my own ROM anyway, however, for now, could you good chaps consider incorporating HardSPL 1.13 into your NBH images... most people on these forums are (for want of a better word) ****wits and it'd really avoid problems if Hard-SPL was flashed as a course of the update.
obviously I can't force anyone to do anything at all, but please consider it.
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This ****wit can't wait for your cooked rom

walshieau said:
its actually 'mate'....
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not the way you aussies speak it it isn't

Olipro said:
not the way you aussies speak it it isn't
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In fact the spelling is maaaaaate and it's pronounced maaaaaaaaaaaaate.

Olipro said:
shortly... I'll be cooking my own ROM anyway, however, for now, could you good chaps consider incorporating HardSPL 1.13 into your NBH images... most people on these forums are (for want of a better word) ****wits and it'd really avoid problems if Hard-SPL was flashed as a course of the update.
obviously I can't force anyone to do anything at all, but please consider it.
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Oli, thanks for your efforts etc., etc., all obeisance to Oli. I for one, however am not a "****wit" and I don't agree with you that "most people on these forums" are. My opinion, but there you go.
There are some thoughtless, ignorant twits here, no doubt about it, but technical knowledge doesn't exclude someone from that group.
I think your attitude towards most of us is pretty clear, thank you, it shows in every other post that you put up here. But you know something, it says more about you than it does about us. I guess the mods around here tolerate the chip you carry around on your shoulder because of your fine technical contributions, but really, man, your indecency is, well, indecent.
I can guess what your response will be. I have seen it before, and expect no change, so have at me, mate. I can take it.
Damn, I don't know why I am even bothering with this. It just needed saying.

BigBen said:
Oli, thanks for your efforts etc., etc., all obeisance to Oli. I for one, however am not a "****wit" and I don't agree with you that "most people on these forums" are. My opinion, but there you go.
There are some thoughtless, ignorant twits here, no doubt about it, but technical knowledge doesn't exclude someone from that group.
I think your attitude is towards most of us is pretty clear, thank you, it shows in every other post that you put up here. But you know something, it says more about you than it does about us. I guess the mods around here tolerate the chip you carry around on your shoulder because of your fine technical contributions, but really, man, your indecency is, well, indecent.
I can guess what your response will be. I have seen it before, and expect no change, so have at me, mate. I can take it.
Damn, I don't know why I am even bothering with this. It just needed saying.
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Then obviously he wasnt referring to you... I think what he was trying to say is that these people that just float in from wherever, try to flash a rom without reading then expect us to fix it.... People dont understand that this is a developers board, not hofo, or any other noob board and **** happens.. Everyone who comes here gamble's with their expensive device, and when they loose the bet because they didnt care to read, then they come crying to us to fix it... so now the developers are finding themselves in a tight spot, and that is to make it somewhat noob friendly to a certain extent since wm6 is dropping all over the place and everybody and their mother wants to flash it....
I wont argue that maybe olipro should have used a different term to describe to make it less offensive, but in the other hand Olipro has the right to b!tch, Olipro is a major contributing factor on where we are today and has given us lots of useful stuff....
Most of the time when you see a major player such as olipro make a post like this its usually because they are being harrassed via pm by someone who didnt take the time to read.. its food for thought!

shogunmark said:
Then obviously he wasnt referring to you... I think what he was trying to say is that these people that just float in from wherever, try to flash a rom without reading then expect us to fix it.... People dont understand that this is a developers board, not hofo, or any other noob board and **** happens.. Everyone who comes here gamble's with their expensive device, and when they loose the bet because they didnt care to read, then they come crying to us to fix it... so now the developers are finding themselves in a tight spot, and that is to make it somewhat noob friendly to a certain extent since wm6 is dropping all over the place and everybody and their mother wants to flash it....
I wont argue that maybe olipro should have used a different term to describe to make it less offensive, but in the other hand Olipro has the right to b!tch, Olipro is a major contributing factor on where we are today and has given us lots of useful stuff....
Most of the time when you see a major player such as olipro make a post like this its usually because they are being harrassed via pm by someone who didnt take the time to read.. its food for thought!
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Hi, Shogunmark, fellow "exile" from the Cingular forum. You know I respect your contributions and in this case, your opinion about my post. Thanks for posting on this.
I still can't believe I cared enough to write on this, but realize that it's not the first time Olipro has been rude and offensive. That's him, I guess, but I his contributions would be much more valuable if they were offered with more respect.
I witness with admiration the guys that are way up there on the valuable contribution scales, yourself included, that show unbelievable patience and generosity even in face of the dumbest, most annoying and irksome ignorance and lack of manners. I won't list them, you know who you are, I have sent you sincere thanks and/or contributions, or will do so shortly. There are some awe-inspiring "mensches" around here.
None of this matters in the big picture. Oli, a sincere thanks for your contributions, carry on, excuse me if I have offended you. That wasn't my intent.
I won't be around here much anyway, most likely. This has been a great learning experience, but the fact that I am writing this and my previous post in this thread shows that I have to tweak my priorities instead of spending so much time on a stupid machine and getting so caught up with some of the silliness that goes on here, as shown by my reaction to this thread.
Kind regards,
Ben
P.S. I agree with you. Shogun, about people that come in here and screw their device up and then come crying. Some of you veterans around here and Mr. Pohlman (?) should think about placing a small "toll" to get into this currently non-exclusive club. This should be a very exclusive club, and the elementary economic device of charging to get in would be an effective filter to keep a lot of the idiots out, and at the same time raise some $$$ for XDA!
Current members of say six months or whatever is decided, could be grandfathered in. Certain members under that time could be given a pass, or maybe not. Certainly, anyone who has contributed a lot would be honorary members. Myself, I wouldn't mind having to pay a small (nominal I think the business types say) fee. Or maybe not, that might be enough to help me make my decision to try to break this addiction and ban this too-fascinating site from my browser forever
Best regards, "Shogun" and to the others that have had the patience to bring me along here, to become a "Senior Member" but who will never know 1% of what they do! Gracias, amigos!

BigBen said:
Hi, Shogunmark, fellow "exile" from the Cingular forum. You know I respect your contributions and in this case, your opinion about my post. Thanks for posting on this.
I still can't believe I cared enough to write on this, but realize that it's not the first time Olipro has been rude and offensive. That's him, I guess, but I his contributions would be much more valuable if they were offered with more respect.
I witness with admiration the guys that are way up there on the valuable contribution scales, yourself included, that show unbelievable patience and generosity even in face of the dumbest, most annoying and irksome ignorance and lack of manners. I won't list them, you know who you are, I have sent you sincere thanks and/or contributions, or will do so shortly. There are some awe-inspiring "mensches" around here.
None of this matters in the big picture. Oli, a sincere thanks for your contributions, carry on, excuse me if I have offended you. That wasn't my intent.
I won't be around here much anyway, most likely. This has been a great learning experience, but the fact that I am writing this and my previous post in this thread shows that I have to tweak my priorities instead of spending so much time on a stupid machine and getting so caught up with some of the silliness that goes on here, as shown by my reaction to this thread.
Kind regards,
Ben
P.S. I agree with you about people that come in here and screw their device up and then come crying. Some of you veterans around here and Mr. Pohlman (?) should think about placing a small "toll" to get into this currently non-exclusive club. This should be a very exclusive club, and the elementary economic device of charging to get in would be an effective filter to keep a lot of the idiots out, and at the same time raise some $$$ for XDA!
Current members of say six months or whatever is decided, could be grandfathered in. Certain members under that time could be given a pass, or maybe not. Certainly, anyone who has contributed a lot would be honorary members. Myself, I wouldn't mind having to pay a small (nominal I think the business types say) fee. Or maybe not, that might be enough to help me make my decision to try to break this addiction and ban this too-fascinating site from my browser forever
Best regards, "Shogun" and to the others that have had the patience to bring me along here, to become a "Senior Member" but who will never know 1% of what they do! Gracias, amigos!
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I personally do agree with Shogun comments completely. The truth of the matter is some days are good and others are bad. If you catch me on a bad day, you may get a lot worst than what OLipro said. It could have been said a little differently but it was not and I was not offended by his comments.
Now the question that came to mind was why am I responding to this? The answer is to say may be you are having a bad day too. That is okay we are all humans (I think)

lpsi2000 said:
That is okay we are all humans (I think)
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I am not

BigBen said:
Oli, thanks for your efforts etc., etc., all obeisance to Oli. I for one, however am not a "****wit" and I don't agree with you that "most people on these forums" are. My opinion, but there you go.
There are some thoughtless, ignorant twits here, no doubt about it, but technical knowledge doesn't exclude someone from that group.
I think your attitude towards most of us is pretty clear, thank you, it shows in every other post that you put up here. But you know something, it says more about you than it does about us. I guess the mods around here tolerate the chip you carry around on your shoulder because of your fine technical contributions, but really, man, your indecency is, well, indecent.
I can guess what your response will be. I have seen it before, and expect no change, so have at me, mate. I can take it.
Damn, I don't know why I am even bothering with this. It just needed saying.
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I wasn't referring to you at all... ****wit
seriously though; when I say "most" I'm afraid to say that the majority here are people who can't be bothered to read the thread/wiki, can't be bothered to speak proper english (unless they can't help it) or just ask stupid questions because they can't be bothered to try it themselves, and you know what? it's really bloody draining to answer the same mind-numbing questions that you already answered time and again, so yeah, I do have a bit of a chip on my shoulder... but it's not directed at you buddy.
Also, those that start out lazy, but then get up off their arses, as we can see in a recent thread, I'm quite happy to help.

the FACT of the matter is this (my personal view).
1) We are not HOFO
2) This is a developer board
3) you come in here risking your warranty if you flash certain things
4) We are not responsible for your decision to flash
5) if you do take the plunge, RTF-WIKI first!
6) The more nagging that goes on, the less motivated we will be
Thats my 2 cents....

Hopefully THIS will lose a few nagging threads/posts?!?!
Olipro if you are after a beta tester im good to go for that if you want?? (since we work in the same timezone!??!)

maaaaaaaate,
i prefer to be called a ****wit any day....at least we dont get many "boguns"

hey boys
I think many of you are taking Olipro toooooo seriously,
stop being so sensetive,
In australia, it is tradition that you call your mates ****wits, wankers, **** heads, etc......
My name is Jasjamming and I'm a ****wit!

jasjamming said:
hey boys
I think many of you are taking Olipro toooooo seriously,
stop being so sensetive,
In australia, it is tradition that you call your mates ****wits, wankers, **** heads, etc......
My name is Jasjamming and I'm a ****wit!
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Xultar - ****wit @ your service. I spent some time down under myself.

WM6 ROM chefs and modifiers - your input please - I've got an idea...

I'm setting up a development server, and am willing to offer a development environment for those who are cooking up the ROMs. My thought is simple - to unite the core development if it's possible (although I find it somewhat difficult to believe that it is, after seeing the hostility that's flying around at the moment!). I may well expand this later, after a trial project, but I was wondering if the actual cookers would be interested in closed access to a development system (e.g. Subversion access, a development environment such as Trac, mailing lists and/or basic discussion forum, automated ROM builds etc).
My thoughts were along the lines of a centralised core system, with optional extras and customisations by the cookers as they desire, but I don't know if that's compatible with the objectives of the chefs. They'd be able to branch the core code, and add their own customisations, then release as usual.
I'm also thinking about offering repositories for the various extras, like the HTC home plugin if desired, Audio Manager, etc. Obviously they'd need packaging into cabs (possibly automatable? I'm not sure) or integrating into a release. There'd also be the availability of version control for rolling back changes if things break, and the opportunity for chefs to allow assistants to help with the code.
Sound appealing at all to any of you fine chefs? I'd just like to see efforts united rather than competing, although I'm all for interesting and varying releases! If not, I'll crawl back under a large rock and hide from the flamethrowers pointing my way even as I type this
Thinking initially of offering it to the Hermes chefs, and if it works here, to the other chefs for other devices.
Just a thought, anyway. Feedback welcomed.

I'd be willing to trial that

Admirable thought, N2A, and while it sounds great in theory I can't help but think it could end up evolving into a monumental administrative task for one or more members of an otherwise volunteer community. Let's face it, nobody is getting rich here, we each have lives outside of XDA, and "real" jobs to attend to as well. That said, I shall keep an open mind and an eye on where this is going...
IMO the current "strife" could be easily curbed via moderation (and thankfully we're seeing some hints of that as of late). By and large I believe everyone's intentions here are good, and should a moderator determine they aren't it's quite easy for them to "shut 'er down" as it were. "Top-tier" chefs need to be respected and acknowledged, and we must remember that without them the rest of us have nothing. Here again, if they don't like the direction things are taking, they should work through the moderators to affect a change. Moderators, we members also count on you to keep the developer flavor of the forum at the forefront!
It really could be quite simple, you see...
Perhaps it would be helpful to reiterate who the moderators of the Hermes forum are? You all keep a rather low profile (which is good), but people also need to know who's in charge.

I would be willing to give it a run...

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austinsnyc said:
I would be willing to give it a run...
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Even though you've just announced that you're leaving XDA?
austinsnyc said:
I was nice i thought you wont be seeing much more off me as I'm sure you are happy to hear I will be taking my fixes and roms to another forum. thank you for the moderation
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(From gfy.zapto.org) Hey out there as you know I will be posting my releases and fixes on this forum only from now on!! this is the new WM6 place to be
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So which is it going to be?

vp3G... you really know how to rub salt into some wounds.
As for this, I would love to give it a trial too.

bernardryan said:
vp3G... you really know how to rub salt into some wounds.
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Not the intent in the least... merely trying to make some sense of the chaos.

Fingerspitzengefühl
vp3G said:
Not the intent in the least... merely trying to make some sense of the chaos.
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Hi, in the german language we use a word called "Fingerspitzengefühl" which means something like instinctive feel or having a very good sense in the fingertips.
What you responsed was without Fingerspitzengefühl
When I saw that austinsnyc wants to give it a try it seemed to me as a chance to STOP hostility.
If you are uncertain how he meant it you can ask him in a more friendly way - or how long shall this fighting go on?

This is a great idea, I would be willing to help out as time permits with family life, although I tend to spend alot more time on here than I probably should. As for the extra stuff, putting extras into packages for the ROM would be easier than automated cab files. You would be able to pick and choose which packages would best suit the needs of the chef(s). This really could eliminate alot of the animosity that has been going on in the forum. In addition a core group of testers could also be something to be considered, testers that you know have knowledge and would be able to give proper feedback. Having the core chefs together I am sure would produce some incredible ROM's. It would be nice to see happen.

pronor said:
What you responsed was without Fingerspitzengefühl
When I saw that austinsnyc wants to give it a try it seemed to me as a chance to STOP hostility.
If you are uncertain how he meant it you can ask him in a more friendly way - or how long shall this fighting go on?
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Perhaps you missed my point. Someone who has announced (with hyperbolic flourish) their intent to move exclusively to some other forum has no business participating in programs at this one. Reaping here and sowing elsewhere doesn't sit well with me and I can't imagine it will with lvsw, either.
Enough is enough already.

vp3G you are right on the money...
but yes...id love to help out in anyway i can...

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Perhaps you missed my point. Someone who has announced (with hyperbolic flourish) their intent to move exclusively to some other forum has no business participating in programs at this one. Reaping here and sowing elsewhere doesn't sit well with me and I can't imagine it will with lvsw, either.
Enough is enough already.
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good point vp3G but your comments about LVSW make me laugh as he is a hypocrit reaping the benefits of someone elses ROMs and naming them "LVSW (insert date here)"
did i let the cat out of the bag..... ? oh no, here comes trouble.......

The truth is that it's all about people taking other bits of ROMs, originally manufacturers or leaked ROMs, and customising Them. At the end of the day, nobody can claim "ownership" to it. I just want to provide a central platform where people can develop together, kill some of the animosity, and stop the *****ing somewhat. The last part I see as being the most difficult.
Please can we try to keep this thread on topic, rather than having it degenerate like so many others on here are! The point is to see if we can get developers co-operating, not trying to piss them off even more.
JJ, you interested in a co-operative development platform?

N2A said:
The truth is that it's all about people taking other bits of ROMs, originally manufacturers or leaked ROMs, and customising Them. At the end of the day, nobody can claim "ownership" to it. I just want to provide a central platform where people can develop together, kill some of the animosity, and stop the *****ing somewhat. The last part I see as being the most difficult.
Please can we try to keep this thread on topic, rather than having it degenerate like so many others on here are! The point is to see if we can get developers co-operating, not trying to piss them off even more.
JJ, you interested in a co-operative development platform?
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Hey N2A, afraid not as I am at 4winmobile.com now and active members of this forum should benefit from your platform.
I still visit this site occasionally.

Pity, I'd have liked to have had you on board!
Still, open offer, maybe in the future once it takes off

vp3G said:
Perhaps you missed my point. Someone who has announced (with hyperbolic flourish) their intent to move exclusively to some other forum has no business participating in programs at this one. Reaping here and sowing elsewhere doesn't sit well with me and I can't imagine it will with lvsw, either.
Enough is enough already.
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Amen, well said.

jasjamming said:
good point vp3G but your comments about LVSW make me laugh as he is a hypocrit reaping the benefits of someone elses ROMs and naming them "LVSW (insert date here)"
did i let the cat out of the bag..... ? oh no, here comes trouble.......
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Ohhh no the master has spoken
Same old JJ calling names, Seriously why do you trash people so much? You think you are the best one out there and have your head up your anus so far up you lost the sense of respect for others. Stop being so cocky just because you cooked a rom or two that personally i think they are worst then wm5. All this drama of I'M LEAVING GOOD BYE! If you left XDA do you still have to trash people here?
The problem is there are allot of followers for every cook and they ass kiss so much that they turn this forum into a war zone.
Now let the bashing start since this is what i expect from XDA these days anyways

Please stop posting off-topic posts. I'm trying to keep in some sort of order.

I think it's a great idea and highly appreciated that you're willing to put this effor into it. Now if all you guys with bad vibes would just focus on the real reason we all came to this forum in the first place, it'd be fantastic.
Let all the ROM-creative people be creative... and the rest of us... just stay appreciative for what is FREE!!!..
Thanks to all you great chefs out there!..

This reminds me of like a sourceforge project. cool!
I wish I was smart enough to develop.

[Q] Locked roms, unable to dump, do the chefs hide something?

Why is allmost every rom on this forum dumplocked?
Do people have something to hide, or is it something else?
Is it mayb that people don't want to share things anymore(the main part where xda thrives on)?
Do the chefs who learned from copying and examining others work have some kind of arrogance, somekind of thought that noone may copy their work?
I personally find this a crappy way of work here on xda.
Any other thoughts on this?
Gr. Bram

Try with my ROMs, nothing is locked.

bram_smulders said:
Why is every rom on this forum dumplocked?
Do people have something to hide, or is it something else?
Is it mayb that people don't want to share things anymore(the main part where xda thrives on)?
Do the chefs who learned from copying and examining others work have some kind of arrogance, somekind of thought that noone may copy their work?
I personally find this a crappy way of work here on xda.
Any other thoughts on this?
Gr. Bram
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This is thin ice you stepped on!
I am a retired Chef myself. I always protected my ROMs from being dumped. The main reason is that packages and tweaks mainly added through the rgus are the result of many many hours of research, countless flashes, testing and work.
Packages are all over the place, so are the cabs.
The majority of tweaks can be found anywhere.
But it's just unfair when a Chef collects everthing he needs for his kitchen throughout time and someone who is just beginning to cook dumps it, replaces a few packages and voila, a new ROM from a new Chef, as good as the old dumped ROM.
It's not about hiding, it's about somehow protecting endless hours of work that just don't pay back.
I know my ROMs were intended for my own use, but somehow decided to share them, I believe most Chefs around here pretty much do the same with their work, so it is a huge favor this sharing.

bram_smulders said:
Why is every rom on this forum dumplocked?
Do people have something to hide, or is it something else?
Is it mayb that people don't want to share things anymore(the main part where xda thrives on)?
Do the chefs who learned from copying and examining others work have some kind of arrogance, somekind of thought that noone may copy their work?
I personally find this a crappy way of work here on xda.
Any other thoughts on this?
Gr. Bram
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I also find it very strange.... the only reasoning I can think is people don´t want their working copied but hey I completely agree with you it´s a very strange way to work as, certainly for me, this forum has always been about sharing. Sharing knowledge, information, ideas, ROMs, creativity and most of all a passion for these devices... it´s a real shame.
Thankfully though, in my experience, most the experienced chefs here are very willing to help out to us aspiring new chefs with pointers and files we need to build a decent kitchen.
I cook for myself really but ended up releasing a few of my ROMs when I have a bit more time to support them but I must admit I´m not bothered about people re-cooking them if they want. I´m just happy that the peolpe here get the most out of their Diamond.

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This is thin ice you stepped on!
I am a retired Chef myself. I always protected my ROMs from being dumped. The main reason is that packages and tweaks mainly added through the rgus are the result of many many hours of research, countless flashes, testing and work.
Packages are all over the place, so are the cabs.
The majority of tweaks can be found anywhere.
But it's just unfair when a Chef collects everthing he needs for his kitchen throughout time and someone who is just beginning to cook dumps it, replaces a few packages and voila, a new ROM from a new Chef, as good as the old dumped ROM.
It's not about hiding, it's about somehow protecting endless hours of work that just don't pay back.
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Allright i can live with that, BUT, what are we doing right here?
Microsoft and HTC engineers also spend many hours on their precious work, pushing the limits of WM. If we all must respect hard work, then we should not dump roms of those guys either.
I feel strongly that this is an open community an that requires that everything is open, i've cooked many roms but never thought about protecting it.
I'ts MY hobby, and if i want to implement(find) tweaks and enhancements it's for MY satisfaction. I dont care if someone from here dumps my rom and steals all of MY found tweaks.
Let him learn about rom cooking by inspecting my rom, i dont give a ****, in this way the community gets stronger.
And by the way, if the chefs have nothing to hide and share their tweaks on the forum, why not open their roms?
Gr. bram
I'm not flaming that chefs, but i'm posting out my opinion about this.
I can totally get into the thought of those guys.

christonge said:
I also find it very strange.... the only reasoning I can think is people don´t want their working copied but hey I completely agree with you it´s a very strange way to work as, certainly for me, this forum has always been about sharing. Sharing knowledge, information, ideas, ROMs, creativity and most of all a passion for these devices... it´s a real shame.
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Sharing is one, stealilng and taking credit for someone else's work is another thing. And look at this beyond the Forum. Do you have any idea how many places host, discuss, etc. the ROMs made here? I don't want to get into details, but this is how it works. ROMs published are downloaded and posted on some other forums, where some other cooks try to do something with them. When they manage, they've got themselves a new ROM with upgoing rep and paypal ballance! You should really look into this. I know my ROMs were subject to such on some other forums.
But if this is still not enough for you, there is always an option to start learning how to cook, dump an Official ROM, port it (if it's the case), make a baserom, collect all your packages, collect and edit all your registries, skin till you drop, test for a week or so, build and release without protection.

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Yes, maybe because dumping and cooking is grey field towards illegal. There's a really thin line between legal and illegal, but that's some other stuff I don't want to get into.

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Sharing is one, stealilng and taking credit for someone else's work is another thing. And look at this beyond the Forum. Do you have any idea how many places host, discuss, etc. the ROMs made here? I don't want to get into details, but this is how it works. ROMs published are downloaded and posted on some other forums, where some other cooks try to do something with them. When they manage, they've got themselves a new ROM with upgoing rep and paypal ballance! You should really look into this. I know my ROMs were subject to such on some other forums.
But if this is still not enough for you, there is always an option to start learning how to cook, dump an Official ROM, port it (if it's the case), make a baserom, collect all your packages, collect and edit all your registries, skin till you drop, test for a week or so, build and release without protection.
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I have spent days, weeks and perhaps months (to scared to add it up!!) reading and learning how to cook so I can see your point. In fact I have also been through this very experience here where somebody has posted my work on another forum and yes it was annoying but I think what Bram was trying to point out that as time goes by things are becoming more and more "closed". Perhaps due to the number of users now?? I´m not sure but it´s a debate that will always be here

christonge said:
I have spent days, weeks and perhaps months (to scared to add it up!!) reading and learning how to cook so I can see your point. In fact I have also been through this very experience here where somebody has posted my work on another forum and yes it was annoying but I think what Bram was trying to point out that as time goes by things are becoming more and more "closed". Perhaps due to the number of users now?? I´m not sure but it´s a debate that will always be here
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It's not user quantity, it's user quality. You can never stop a user to register and you can never check his/her intentions when joining. Private Messaging always works and I don't think anyone contacted for help ever refused on this Forum (I'm referring to Chefs). I've been helped by stranger fellow XDA Chefs and I helped stranger Chefs myself. But won't go for putting everything on a silver tray to some second hand B forum Chef.
As for XDA DEVELOPERS, here's a hint of what it is: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45

christonge said:
In fact I have also been through this very experience here where somebody has posted my work on another forum and yes it was annoying but I think what Bram was trying to point out that as time goes by things are becoming more and more "closed". Perhaps due to the number of users now??
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This experience is very nasty, but you cant entirely stop it. Someone flash your rom, the dump it the "device way", he has an exact copy of it.
Thats in a way true how i feel, i have a feeling lately that this forum is becoming closed, everyone keeping stuff for their selves. Wich in a way i can understand that(all the hard work etc.) but then the "openness" of this forum is slightly dripping away.
In my time in the wizard forums there was no such thing, every cook tried to help the other out. If a tweak(or something else new) was found, they posted it right away. Or cooked it into rom, and encoraged others to take it from them.
Lately in the diamond furoms i have the feeling some people don't want to share anymore, just the credit of a great rom.
Wich they have to know and do theirselves, but i'm against such a way of work here.
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Yes, maybe because dumping and cooking is grey field towards illegal. There's a really thin line between legal and illegal, but that's some other stuff I don't want to get into.
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I was't talking about illegal stuff here(becouse all we do is illegal) but about the morale to steal from someone.
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But won't go for putting everything on a silver tray to some second hand B forum Chef.
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I totally understand that, but i feel strongly against it(my opinion)
gr. bram

tnyynt said:
It's not user quantity, it's user quality. You can never stop a user to register and you can never check his/her intentions when joining. Private Messaging always works and I don't think anyone contacted for help ever refused on this Forum (I'm referring to Chefs). I've been helped by stranger fellow XDA Chefs and I helped stranger Chefs myself. But won't go for putting everything on a silver tray to some second hand B forum Chef.
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Great post by kyphur.... and I agree. As I posted above I have been helped by many great chefs here since I start with my Hermes, then with my Kaiser and Polaris and now here on Diamond and most of it has been done by PM. As for giving everything on a silver tray... well I think it´s a personal choice and I personally don´t think to much about it when I have posted my ROMs but hey maybe I have a different take on things
All I know is I am personally very very gratefull to many people who contribute to this forum and I have mentioned most of them in the past when posting my ROMs but as I said before this debate will always run.....

Chefs do it mainly to protect there investment in time. They have no reason to give you the ROMs, so why should you complain when they do things?
I personally do not do anything to protect my ROM, other than grouping files under one dsm to save space - the overheads for DSM files are quite big - rather than to stop people dumping the ROMs.
Why should we as chefs give you anything?

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Chefs do it mainly to protect there investment in time. They have no reason to give you the ROMs, so why should you complain when they do things?
I personally do not do anything to protect my ROM, other than grouping files under one dsm to save space - the overheads for DSM files are quite big - rather than to stop people dumping the ROMs.
Why should we as chefs give you anything?
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I dont say they haven got the right close roms, I just dont feel like that, and wanted to know if there are some others who think the same.
For me this is an open forum so all what i do is open, if other decide otherwise, let that be, i dont mind.
My point is that i feel that the forum is getting more to a closed forum rather that coming together, and just wanted to know if i was the only one.
Mayb is misformed my statement in the first post.
If this thread is non constructive, please close and/or delete it.
gr. bram
ps. i dont intend to flame anyone, i respect everyones work & decisions!

Protection of investment of time is a good reason.
Another good reason to protect ROMs is:
Stop the wild-groth of ROM-releases.
Every wanabee chef nowadays uses a simple kitchen, trows in a already cooked ROM.
Changes a few packages and a splashscreen, and trows it on the forum as something new.
I don't call that cooking, that is trowing something into the microwave (after putting ketchup on it)!
Also removing all RGU's and replacing DSM files by a single one does improve the device!.
Your personal tweaks aren't directly visible (like it would in a rgu).
Your own privatly build packages are more difficult to steal/recycle by a third party.
Also Nofi,
Regards,
EqX

the-equinoxe said:
Protection of investment of time is a good reason.
Another good reason to protect ROMs is:
Stop the wild-groth of ROM-releases.
Every wanabee chef nowadays uses a simple kitchen, trows in a already cooked ROM.
Changes a few packages and a splashscreen, and trows it on the forum as something new.
I don't call that cooking, that is trowing something into the microwave (after putting ketchup on it)!
Also removing all RGU's and replacing DSM files by a single one does improve the device!.
Your personal tweaks aren't directly visible (like it would in a rgu).
Your own privatly build packages are more difficult to steal/recycle by a third party.
Also Nofi,
Regards,
EqX
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Fully Agree also some roms are targets for other people who waits to steal your work and also cover it and and re-build it up its thiers.
I do protect my roms for more than one reasons which I cant say, but time is also one big factor to do with it.
bram totally respect u as a chef, but things have change so much now since XDA have expanded in worldwide website and also other forums lark on this site to steal other works

Ready meals are nice though!

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Ready meals are nice though!
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and I suppose even better when they´re spoon feed!
I see all your points and respect them completely.... we are all here for similar reasons and that´s the beauty of this forum. I agree with dutty that things have changed a lot, even in the time I´ve been here.

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Fully Agree also some roms are targets for other people who waits to steal your work and also cover it and and re-build it up its thiers.
I do protect my roms for more than one reasons which I cant say, but time is also one big factor to do with it.
bram totally respect u as a chef, but things have change so much now since XDA have expanded in worldwide website and also other forums lark on this site to steal other works
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100% agree,
I believe we are all willing to share, but one bad apple will mess it up for everyone.

duttythroy said:
Fully Agree also some roms are targets for other people who waits to steal your work and also cover it and and re-build it up its thiers.
I do protect my roms for more than one reasons which I cant say, but time is also one big factor to do with it.
bram totally respect u as a chef, but things have change so much now since XDA have expanded in worldwide website and also other forums lark on this site to steal other works
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Exactly my thoughts!

I'm not part of the Diamond community... yet... but I'd like to give opinion on the subject.
I've been cooking for a while for trinity users, and as many chefs here, I've spent countless hours analyzing official ROMs, and even other chefs ROMs, reading, searching, testing, to better understand the whole cooking process, to improve myself.
Along the way I've had many questions, problems, and so on, and so on... Mainly I was fortunate enough to have had a great teacher and friend, and also the basis to build my work on.
This happened in a time when it all was a passion, when it was about making the ROMs better(not just customize them but also to improve them in performance and/or stability), but now?... Well, now it's more about having the best ROM, with more downloads... and ultimately more donations...
I have nothing against chefs, or developers, or whatever, being rewarded for their work, hell, I have a paypal link too(even though I don't really advertise it, it just sits there on my signature)!!
I guess the trigger for all this, was some chefs, making other chefs work their own without asking in the first place. If this really was sharing community, why not ask, instead of "stealing"? In the end it becomes a sort of a cooker's war, to see which one has the best security methods implemented on their ROM, and which one can get through that same security, so they can take instead of asking once again...
As l3v5y said, I also remove the RGUs and patch the DSM into one, for performance purposes, as colateral I get some protection against ROM package rebuilding, but I can only go so far. I have no programing skills whatsoever, so I couldn't protect my ROMs further, even if I wanted!!
I tottaly agree that with the growth in the number of members, comes a growth in new chefs, or chef wannabies, and if all is given away that easily, the forums will end up flooded with new ROMs. But on the other hand, I'm in favor of sharing. I'm just sad this is getting to a point where it get harder and harder to get some things that used to be available to everyone....
I could go on, but this is getting rather long... Sorry everyone!

I think Android on the Rhodium is a lost cause now :(

I hate to admit it, but everyone has moved on to the HD2. They have pretty much everything working on the HD2 but there is no developers working on the Rhodium and we have no sound yet.
I really thank all the devs and everyone else involved into making Android run on our Rhodiums, but we gotta face the truth someday. It was fun and I cook WinMo ROMs for the Rhodium, but we gotta realize its dated. The only reason I still have my Rhodium is because it has a keyboard. I'm waiting for a humming bird core HTC phone with QWERTY to make the upgrade. I know some people are gonna flame. Its OK I understand you want to hold on to that Rhodium you have. We ALL do.
PS: Its sad seeing craiglisters selling Android for the HD2. I wish I could kill them all. They don't deserve any money since they did not do any of the work involved nor did they contribute ONE thing. This is why I hate scenes like the smartphone scene... People take credit for what isn't theirs.

yup its dead .. now lets move on.

[ACL] said:
yup its dead .. now lets move on.
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LOL

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LOL
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Keep doing what you do Reefer, I am patiently waiting for the next update!

I'm getting sick of threads on this, I'm sure devs do not appreciate them either..

Why you gotta be so negative? They are doing their best they can so why don't you lock yourself in the closet and come out of there once android has been fully ported to our device

Knappad
I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?

knappad said:
I an getting a little woried that we have reached the point of no return. It would be helpfull if the devs did post updates to let use know where we stand. I am not giving up hope just yet. I can't upgrade for quite some time and don't want to pay out the nose for something that could give me just what I am looking for.
Just want so feedback from devs to know what's up?
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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.

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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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Keep up the good work. Ignore the leeches. All they do is take. They dont realize that their purpose should be to test and return feedback on the testing. Instead they seem to think that this forum is like you said, full of customer service reps. Its pathetic.
Anyhow, there are tons of people who appreciate all of the developers work and look forward to more updates.

Yea Reefer, let em have it. I wish I could help more to unlock the potential of this phone. It really is a pretty slick device that just wasn't given enough polish or muscle. I researched the purchase of it for months beforehand and don't want to just give it up now.

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Its funny, I bet there were people like you guys years ago for the Kaiser and Vogue... they work 100% now BTW. It doesnt mean people still use their Kaiser with Android for their daily phone (some do of course) but thats not what XDA is about. This used to be a strickly development forum, now its full of "gimme-gimme" users who think the OP of the thread is Customer Service.
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+1 This is essentially a hobby for these guys....
p.s. gimme-gimme

No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH

OP, there is work being done on the sound issue, however it is slow going. I try following the development, but it's WAY over my head.

Reefer for president !!!

agreed its completely dead i envy all the hd2 ppl running android

You are absolutely correct very dead. You should just get HD2s and give me your TP2s.

or pre-order ur 4g Epic.. thats what i did..

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No one thinks this is CS, i flash a rom, install a kernel and it messes something up. There is no one better to ask than the devs that made the rom, right????? BOOOYEAH
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Wrong. they make a rom and put it on here for everyone. and lets say 50 people download it. and 25 of them have a problem with it. you realy thing that a dev has time to try and fix 25 peoples problems while at the same time make updates to the roms cause your demanding them? thats not how it works. if you install a rom and something goes wrong then you ask the 24 other people if any of them have had the same problem or found a fix. your a tester. if your getting the devs work for free. the least thing you could do is test it and let everyone know how it works.

Dated but not dead.
You may think its dead but for people who still own the TP2, like myself, would like to see this till the end. I still have another year with this phone before I can upgrade and I cant fork out 500+ dollars to buy a new one like the HD2 or Incredible. I'm sure there are others out there in the same situation. So just because you were able to move on with an upgrade doesn't mean its dead.

sound will be working in a matter of time acl is making head way on it over at ppcgeeks.

Is there still interest in a Free Tilt2/Touch pro 2 HardSPL/ unlocker?

Since this is an older phone I'm thinking of trying to come up with a free Hard SPL and an unlocker for this phone. I know there is a HardSPL made by olinex group, but it only allows one free hardspl (I have 5 lines on my plan and thinking of getting TP2s for all of them) and theya re charging for the unlocking. I would like to check if there is still an interest in such a free tool. I don't want to spend a lot of time on something that I would only benefit from very few times and no one else would be interested in using.

Perhaps bug Olipro, see if he'd be willing to do that...? I can't imagine they're making too much money off the project anymore...

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Since this is an older phone I'm thinking of trying to come up with a free Hard SPL and an unlocker for this phone. I know there is a HardSPL made by olinex group, but it only allows one free hardspl (I have 5 lines on my plan and thinking of getting TP2s for all of them) and theya re charging for the unlocking. I would like to check if there is still an interest in such a free tool. I don't want to spend a lot of time on something that I would only benefit from very few times and no one else would be interested in using.
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Yes, definitely.

Yeah please do it!! Im new to all this but I know I really need the HardSPL flash software.

It doesn't look like this phone is as popular any more. Only two people interested in this. So I'm definitely not going to dedicate a lot of time to this. So I might work on it when I have time to kill but will not give it high priority. I'll keep monitoring the thread to see if this changes.

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It doesn't look like this phone is as popular any more. Only two people interested in this. So I'm definitely not going to dedicate a lot of time to this. So I might work on it when I have time to kill but will not give it high priority. I'll keep monitoring the thread to see if this changes.
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If you go over to ppcgeeks.com I think you'll find it's still very popular.

ccengineer said:
It doesn't look like this phone is as popular any more. Only two people interested in this. So I'm definitely not going to dedicate a lot of time to this. So I might work on it when I have time to kill but will not give it high priority. I'll keep monitoring the thread to see if this changes.
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It would be nice, i have just setup 10 devices without HSPL using stock Roms, but i would love to be able to freely HSPL phones we are looking at setting up about another 15 at this stage, we can get a lot of these phones for $190NZ.
If i was able to HSPL them we might get another 50+
It is true that these phones are getting older now, but in saying that they are a good quality phone that preforms as expected no matter what i throw at it.

Well, count me as third one And nand is coming for the tp2, so interest will grow.

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Well, count me as third one And nand is coming for the tp2, so interest will grow.
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Coming? 'tis here...

Yes, but that thread says [testing]. Thats ok, because for me [stable] is less interesting. But my wife definitely wants [stable] and doesn't want to make an exception to that general rule when it comes to her phone

ccengineer said:
It doesn't look like this phone is as popular any more. Only two people interested in this. So I'm definitely not going to dedicate a lot of time to this. So I might work on it when I have time to kill but will not give it high priority. I'll keep monitoring the thread to see if this changes.
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One more person wants it!
After unlocking my first one, I really wanted to use it on the second one I found at a great price.
I have a great deal of respect for the folks (guy/gal) that originally cracked the boot loader, but it has been over a month since I requested to use it on a second device, and despite polite correspondence, my "ticket" is still "open".
I can understand them being busy with newer devices, but I think it is kind of sad that they have the code, and will not even respond to requests for it.
A simple "we no longer support this device" would have been appreciated, as apposed to leaving people hanging for a ticket that will never be addressed.
Even kinder, if they are not gaining revenue from it, maybe set it free!

cheftimothy said:
After unlocking my first one, I really wanted to use it on the second one I found at a great price.
I have a great deal of respect for the folks (guy/gal) that originally cracked the boot loader, but it has been over a month since I requested to use it on a second device, and despite polite correspondence, my "ticket" is still "open".
I can understand them being busy with newer devices, but I think it is kind of sad that they have the code, and will not even respond to requests for it.
A simple "we no longer support this device" would have been appreciated, as apposed to leaving people hanging for a ticket that will never be addressed.
Even kinder, if they are not gaining revenue from it, maybe set it free!
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thanks
cajun
I've just used your keyboard fix after installing kwbr's Tilt 2 rom. Thank you very much, worked beautifully. I'd thank everyone on that thread except I'm not allowed.
Took me ages to get ActiveSync to work in XP, had to install a CAB supplied on the hard spl thread to get it to work. Thanks for your efforts.

I'd like to unlock mine just for the sake of it, plan on keeping it with sprint but who knows in future? which is why I'd unlock mine lol, but since I have no real need presently I'm not tempted enough to pay for it, since the cost of the unlock is more than what phone is now worth :S

Got an ebay replacement for my TP2 and got the "commercial" error message from the Rhodium HardSPL file. Not looking to jip anyone, just want to get my replacement back to the way my old phone was. PM'd Olipro, but I know they are busy (no response yet to ticket).
So if this thread leads to another way to HSPL these things then that would make my phone very happy.
Cajunflavoredbob, could you PM me too?
Thanks.

Count me in. I still use mine as primary phone, but will upgrade soon and nice to have unlocked. Also interested on the behind the scenes as to how it all worked, read the other thread in ppc a few minutes ago and wondered if there were any interest in this. Also wonder if anyone has the stuff from the other groups I could look at, even if it would not work for me.

Yeah I bought off eBay a bad ESN Verizon one for 40$ thinking it would have worked perfectly with GSM networks here in Italy to then find out that I would have had to pay another 20$ to Olinex just to unlock it. I owned one and paid that fee in 2009 (and that's why I bought one again... I loved it so much...) and he didn't ever answer my ticket where I was asking for this favor seeing I already donated and it would be dumb anyway to pay 20$ to unlock a 40$ worth phone...

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No PMs, please.