Develop Bugs

Note to NOOBS. You're really annoying. READ!

Attention NOOBS. I'm becoming less patient with your posts that include whining and redundancy. This forum isn't here to provide you with all the comforts of your carrier. These roms and installing them is for people who are advanced users of WM. If you need your device for work and you're new to PocketPCs this isn't the place for you. These roms aren't for you so please stick to your carriers’ rom.
WM6 is new. SO NEW that Third-Party app developers haven't gotten all their fixes in. Our ROM chefs aren't responsible for those errors. Research and develop a fix, wait until someone develops a fix, or wait for the app developer...But before installing a rom you need to weigh whether or not it is worth it to loose some of your favorite apps. If you must have SPB plus and you read that people are having issues with it don't install the rom UNLESS you want to help find the fix. IF NOT...WAIT until the app developer upgrades their app. Don't install it and then post complaints and threads.
The chefs of these roms aren't here to help you setup your device and to solve all of your issues. If you have issues read, search and fix them. The research is part of the fun...finding fixes is part of the fun. Finding new ways to configure your device and setups is FUN. By asking first you're not participating in the best part of the forum.
As for fixing the "noob" issue...I think there is one pretty good solution.
I think the only way to fix such an issue is to either restrict new users from posting in the the WM6 forums for a period of time after joining. Hopefully you'll use that period of time to read. Because if you choose to install a rom and you know you can't ask a question you'll probably be more apt to read.
I'm not anti-noob. I was a noob once and I am still a noob in many ways. I also know that there are some good noobs in the forum. But I'm tired of taking the time to read the threads for critical information and coming across posts for how to install a new theme or where did the backlight on my keyboard go. That's where your user manual or the HTC website comes in. For Cingular people you have a great resource over @ the Cingular forums.
This is a community of like minded technical individuals. This is not HTC tech support or your carriers support. No one here owes you ANYTHING. You install a rom it's on you. If you can't take the responsibility then don't install the rom. It's pretty simple really.
I just had to get that off my chest. I'm sick and cranky but that only played a small role.
Again TIP YOUR CHEF!!!!! and donate to XDA. To all of you that make this a interactive vibrant technical-minded environment THANK YOU!
X (donning flame suit)

Helping is useless you just get bashed for it. Instead of putting useless programs that the "chef" uses they could spend that time using the carrier files located in the rom kitchen to help out users which takes all of what 3 minutes if that to recompile for a carrier. This would be much more productive then *****ing when someone tries to help by doing that. It's a joke suggesting someone help when they get nothing but grief and sarcasm when they do.

the time it takes to put "useless" apps in a rom is about 40 seconds.
99.9percent of the time is spent on optimizing the OS to ensure i runs efficiently and stable.
Carrier settings are a big no no as the ROMS being developed should be portable from one carrier to another. the perosn who installs the ROM should know what their carrier settings are etc.... not the ROM chefs.
EDIT: there is a fine line between "helping" (ie developing a fix and posting it in the official rom thread) as compared to re-releasing the hard work that went into optimizing wm6 etc and just adding one XML customization (what you did)
Also note, that recompiling a compressed ROM will cause issues to the people that have installed it. you must decompile the original OS.nb that hasnt been compressed.

jasjamming said:
the time it takes to put "useless" apps in a rom is about 40 seconds.
99.9percent of the time is spent on optimizing the OS to ensure i runs efficiently and stable.
Carrier settings are a big no no as the ROMS being developed should be portable from one carrier to another. the perosn who installs the ROM should know what their carrier settings are etc.... not the ROM chefs.
EDIT: there is a fine line between "helping" (ie developing a fix and posting it in the official rom thread) as compared to re-releasing the hard work that went into optimizing wm6 etc and just adding one XML customization (what you did)
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Yes, you have proved you dont give a **** seeing you post the files that dont work

tell WPbear that and the hundreds of people that got cingular working with that.
And just to remind you its not my job to ensure u set up your carrier. You found a fix, damn mate, post it in the thread.
Although this is an open source community in a way, it is still harmful to the developrs if their work is ripped off without courtesy. ASk first then post later, not post first and hope its ok!

this matter of discussion will stop right now. by the fact that your posts were deleted by mods is a clear sign that you push the boundaries of helping.

jasjamming said:
this matter of discussion will stop right now. by the fact that your posts were deleted by mods is a clear sign that you push the boundaries of helping.
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You must have missed the part where I could care less if they were or not? Who are you to say when this will or will not stop? I could care less if you have more pull here or not the forum is bullsit pulling favortism.
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Attention NOOBS. I'm becoming less patient with your posts that include whining and redundancy. This forum isn't here to provide you with all the comforts of your carrier. These roms and installing them is for people who are advanced users of WM. If you need your device for work and you're new to PocketPCs this isn't the place for you. These roms aren't for you so please stick to your carriers’ rom.
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Again TIP YOUR CHEF!!!!! and donate to XDA. To all of you that make this a interactive vibrant technical-minded environment THANK YOU!
X (donning flame suit)
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I agree with you that people shouldn't have complained too much on this and that regarding the ROMs cooked by our good fellows.
However I believe there is a better way pursuading people instead of yelling here, in this way you are not much different from those people.
Also you make sounds like it's a must to donate. Well I believe ROM chefs were doing this voluntarily without any intension to collect money. It would be nice for people to donate as a kind of support, but putting it this way may have make it sounds like there are financial motivations behind this ROM cooking thihg.
Anyway, well done CHEFs, keep it up.

AdamZhang said:
I agree with you that people shouldn't have complained too much on this and that regarding the ROMs cooked by our good fellows.
However I believe there is a better way pursuading people instead of yelling here, in this way you are not much different from those people.
Also you make sounds like it's a must to donate. Well I believe ROM chefs were doing this voluntarily without any intension to collect money. It would be nice for people to donate as a kind of support, but putting it this way may have make it sounds like there are financial motivations behind this ROM cooking thihg.
Anyway, well done CHEFs, keep it up.
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no its not a must to donate... but its nice to be appreciated especially when the 'CHEF' has spend hours upon hours of his time and experience to benefit the community... honestly where would we be without these guys??? we would have locked handsets and be stuck with crappy carrier ROM's...

Hmmm
The noobs who post the ridiculous questions that have been answered many times before are (by their very nature) highly unlikely to read or care about this thread.....
Whilst I agree with some of the underlying points (read the wiki and the threads, use the search function etc) surely the more people who get interested in these devices, the wider they will be available and the better support etc from the carriers and htc will be available, meaning people here can spend more time developing rather than fixing bugs? The initial post just reads as if basically if you are not an experienced developer then you can just **** off. Not sure if (a) that is how it was meant or (b) that is the majority view.

Me thinks that xultar and custel need to grow up! Although you both evidently came into this as experts(sic), some others did not have your apparent vast wealth of experience to fall back on. To insult senior members, mods, and our chefs is unacceptable behavior! I, and I am sure others, are hoping to see you go!
The search functions can be a bit of a challenge....LOL, but insults and criticism are not needed.....Do us all a favor and just leave!
Okay.....there's my 4 cents worth..........
Later

NOOBS are ok i guess, but I like like BOOBS much more! We need more BOOBS around here! ;-)

cruiserman said:
NOOBS are ok i guess, but I like like BOOBS much more! We need more BOOBS around here! ;-)
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Even better NOOBS with BOOBS,

ElGato65 said:
Even better NOOBS with BOOBS,
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... or boobs with noobs

ROFLMAO!!!

Same song, different forums. Yes, the noobs need to read the wiki and learn more, but we've all been there and need to remember what it was like getting yelled at in the forums. Yes, some of the "experts" think they're on a pedestal and can be huge jerks, but they've seen the same 10 questions about 1000 times and they help create noob resources like the wiki and the cool roms. Most of us are sitting in the middle just watching both sides screaming and thinking, "it's just a forum, wtf?"
I realize that the real issue began because of all the noobs bricking their phones trying to do things they don't fully understand and the animosity that comes from the ROM archive being removed as an indirect result. In case no one has noticed, this is not exactly an underground site and has become pretty popular with the increasing popularity of HTC products and the fine work that many of the contributors here have done. (Not to mention all the ppc sites that have linked to this one.)
The original post had some good points and I think was well-intended, however, Custel and Jasjamming decided to bring their personal beef with each other into it. If you two would like to argue with each other, feel free to use the private message function. Neither of you are helping this topic and only furthering the idea that a low post count means you're flame bait and a high post count means that you're allowed to tell people what they can and cannot post openly in the threads despite not being a mod. The moral here? We're all part of the same community here, so stop pissing on the neighbor's flowers and just tell him calmly that you're allergic while keeping in mind the other neighbors might like them.
As for the noobs destroying their phones with software they didn't understand and asking really simple over-asked questions, maybe we should make a quiz of basic information that pertains to each model and the information needed to do basic mods to them that all members have to answer with a certain percentage of success before allowing posts or access to download links (exluding a few basic forums). Each group that's active enough could make up their own pop quiz (Hermes, Trinity, etc...). All questions sourced from the wiki of course. Just a thought, since the only other suggestion seems to be to scream at the new guys and tell them to read (and search, which btw, really sucks on most forums since you have to know exactly what you're searching for to find anything useful in many cases).

having successfully upgraded several different models of HTC device to WinMo6 I know that there's very little risk from the process and a hell of a lot to gain.
Nobody here with a new-ish handset that's considering the upgrade is destitute and penniless, considering what the devices cost I'm beginning to wonder why donations to either the chefs or XDA devs isn't the norm...
Seriously, there are a lot of tight bastards around here, more than there are 'new' users who can't be arsed to use the search before opening the 30th thread asking for help on the exact same issue.

Post from a NOOB
Guys,
Let me give you a viewpoint from a NOOB. I would not call myself technically challenged nor lazy, but definitely new to this wonderful forum where some people who are way more cooler than me have found ways to help me make better use of my handheld than what I had stock.
Yes, I read the Hermes wiki checked through all (or the threads I thought were relevant) to make sure that this was something I wanted to (and could) do without bricking my expensive device. Even though I thought I read quite a lot, and did everything the wiki said, after I did something I could not verify whether what I did worked or not (like the time I SuperCID-ed my phone and did not know what the steps where to confirm it happened). So I ask. Some times people answer my questions, sometime they dont.
Yes, noobs need to know not to quote large message chunks, they need to read before they ask. I agree to all that. But some people say things like if you are not technical dont even bother to be here, that's insulting.
Though I read and re-read Xultar's initial post and I did not see anything there that really insulted me. I think he had a valid point that if you think you are faint of heart, please stick to your carrier's forum. These forums and this great site is for those adventurers (it just gives me an ego boost to think that way ;-)) who like to go where no man has gone before.
I have been here probably 2 weeks, and I feel like I found a place where I can belong. I just wish I were cool enough to really cook some ROMS. But I think I can get started in small ways.
Jasjamming, I understand your frustration when people take what you have taken great pains in doing and then repackage it, especially without your permission. No excuses for that. But it does not behoove for someone of your stature in this community to bad mouth people. I (and am sure more noobs like me) look up to people like you, kyphur and LVSW who can do things that most of us can just dream about. Just let go or I am sure that the moderators of this forum can remove those posts without much problem.
Sorry for the long rant, but I like this place. And felt I had to weigh in on this conversation.

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You must have missed the part where I could care less if they were or not? Who are you to say when this will or will not stop? I could care less if you have more pull here or not the forum is bullsit pulling favortism.
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its not about pulling favoritism, its about respect... if you want to use someone else's work for your own then ask permission from the creator and give credit where credits due... the chefs work hard on what they do, kyphur, jasjamming, etc.. all of them.. spend countless hours developing cooked roms for everyone, donations or not.. If you dont like the rules of the community then there are other boards you can point your browser to. Most of the times when you ask permission then the chef will be more than happy to lend you a hand...
Now everyone play nice or find a different board.

shogunmark said:
its not about pulling favoritism, its about respect... if you want to use someone else's work for your own then ask permission from the creator and give credit where credits due... the chefs work hard on what they do, kyphur, jasjamming, etc.. all of them.. spend countless hours developing cooked roms for everyone, donations or not.. If you dont like the rules of the community then there are other boards you can point your browser to. Most of the times when you ask permission then the chef will be more than happy to lend you a hand...
Now everyone play nice or find a different board.
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Please delete this thread. I'll send a PM to a Mod as well.
Thanks.

WM6 ROM chefs and modifiers - your input please - I've got an idea...

I'm setting up a development server, and am willing to offer a development environment for those who are cooking up the ROMs. My thought is simple - to unite the core development if it's possible (although I find it somewhat difficult to believe that it is, after seeing the hostility that's flying around at the moment!). I may well expand this later, after a trial project, but I was wondering if the actual cookers would be interested in closed access to a development system (e.g. Subversion access, a development environment such as Trac, mailing lists and/or basic discussion forum, automated ROM builds etc).
My thoughts were along the lines of a centralised core system, with optional extras and customisations by the cookers as they desire, but I don't know if that's compatible with the objectives of the chefs. They'd be able to branch the core code, and add their own customisations, then release as usual.
I'm also thinking about offering repositories for the various extras, like the HTC home plugin if desired, Audio Manager, etc. Obviously they'd need packaging into cabs (possibly automatable? I'm not sure) or integrating into a release. There'd also be the availability of version control for rolling back changes if things break, and the opportunity for chefs to allow assistants to help with the code.
Sound appealing at all to any of you fine chefs? I'd just like to see efforts united rather than competing, although I'm all for interesting and varying releases! If not, I'll crawl back under a large rock and hide from the flamethrowers pointing my way even as I type this
Thinking initially of offering it to the Hermes chefs, and if it works here, to the other chefs for other devices.
Just a thought, anyway. Feedback welcomed.

I'd be willing to trial that

Admirable thought, N2A, and while it sounds great in theory I can't help but think it could end up evolving into a monumental administrative task for one or more members of an otherwise volunteer community. Let's face it, nobody is getting rich here, we each have lives outside of XDA, and "real" jobs to attend to as well. That said, I shall keep an open mind and an eye on where this is going...
IMO the current "strife" could be easily curbed via moderation (and thankfully we're seeing some hints of that as of late). By and large I believe everyone's intentions here are good, and should a moderator determine they aren't it's quite easy for them to "shut 'er down" as it were. "Top-tier" chefs need to be respected and acknowledged, and we must remember that without them the rest of us have nothing. Here again, if they don't like the direction things are taking, they should work through the moderators to affect a change. Moderators, we members also count on you to keep the developer flavor of the forum at the forefront!
It really could be quite simple, you see...
Perhaps it would be helpful to reiterate who the moderators of the Hermes forum are? You all keep a rather low profile (which is good), but people also need to know who's in charge.

I would be willing to give it a run...

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I would be willing to give it a run...
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Even though you've just announced that you're leaving XDA?
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I was nice i thought you wont be seeing much more off me as I'm sure you are happy to hear I will be taking my fixes and roms to another forum. thank you for the moderation
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(From gfy.zapto.org) Hey out there as you know I will be posting my releases and fixes on this forum only from now on!! this is the new WM6 place to be
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So which is it going to be?

vp3G... you really know how to rub salt into some wounds.
As for this, I would love to give it a trial too.

bernardryan said:
vp3G... you really know how to rub salt into some wounds.
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Not the intent in the least... merely trying to make some sense of the chaos.

Fingerspitzengefühl
vp3G said:
Not the intent in the least... merely trying to make some sense of the chaos.
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Hi, in the german language we use a word called "Fingerspitzengefühl" which means something like instinctive feel or having a very good sense in the fingertips.
What you responsed was without Fingerspitzengefühl
When I saw that austinsnyc wants to give it a try it seemed to me as a chance to STOP hostility.
If you are uncertain how he meant it you can ask him in a more friendly way - or how long shall this fighting go on?

This is a great idea, I would be willing to help out as time permits with family life, although I tend to spend alot more time on here than I probably should. As for the extra stuff, putting extras into packages for the ROM would be easier than automated cab files. You would be able to pick and choose which packages would best suit the needs of the chef(s). This really could eliminate alot of the animosity that has been going on in the forum. In addition a core group of testers could also be something to be considered, testers that you know have knowledge and would be able to give proper feedback. Having the core chefs together I am sure would produce some incredible ROM's. It would be nice to see happen.

pronor said:
What you responsed was without Fingerspitzengefühl
When I saw that austinsnyc wants to give it a try it seemed to me as a chance to STOP hostility.
If you are uncertain how he meant it you can ask him in a more friendly way - or how long shall this fighting go on?
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Perhaps you missed my point. Someone who has announced (with hyperbolic flourish) their intent to move exclusively to some other forum has no business participating in programs at this one. Reaping here and sowing elsewhere doesn't sit well with me and I can't imagine it will with lvsw, either.
Enough is enough already.

vp3G you are right on the money...
but yes...id love to help out in anyway i can...

vp3G said:
Perhaps you missed my point. Someone who has announced (with hyperbolic flourish) their intent to move exclusively to some other forum has no business participating in programs at this one. Reaping here and sowing elsewhere doesn't sit well with me and I can't imagine it will with lvsw, either.
Enough is enough already.
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good point vp3G but your comments about LVSW make me laugh as he is a hypocrit reaping the benefits of someone elses ROMs and naming them "LVSW (insert date here)"
did i let the cat out of the bag..... ? oh no, here comes trouble.......

The truth is that it's all about people taking other bits of ROMs, originally manufacturers or leaked ROMs, and customising Them. At the end of the day, nobody can claim "ownership" to it. I just want to provide a central platform where people can develop together, kill some of the animosity, and stop the *****ing somewhat. The last part I see as being the most difficult.
Please can we try to keep this thread on topic, rather than having it degenerate like so many others on here are! The point is to see if we can get developers co-operating, not trying to piss them off even more.
JJ, you interested in a co-operative development platform?

N2A said:
The truth is that it's all about people taking other bits of ROMs, originally manufacturers or leaked ROMs, and customising Them. At the end of the day, nobody can claim "ownership" to it. I just want to provide a central platform where people can develop together, kill some of the animosity, and stop the *****ing somewhat. The last part I see as being the most difficult.
Please can we try to keep this thread on topic, rather than having it degenerate like so many others on here are! The point is to see if we can get developers co-operating, not trying to piss them off even more.
JJ, you interested in a co-operative development platform?
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Hey N2A, afraid not as I am at 4winmobile.com now and active members of this forum should benefit from your platform.
I still visit this site occasionally.

Pity, I'd have liked to have had you on board!
Still, open offer, maybe in the future once it takes off

vp3G said:
Perhaps you missed my point. Someone who has announced (with hyperbolic flourish) their intent to move exclusively to some other forum has no business participating in programs at this one. Reaping here and sowing elsewhere doesn't sit well with me and I can't imagine it will with lvsw, either.
Enough is enough already.
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Amen, well said.

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good point vp3G but your comments about LVSW make me laugh as he is a hypocrit reaping the benefits of someone elses ROMs and naming them "LVSW (insert date here)"
did i let the cat out of the bag..... ? oh no, here comes trouble.......
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Ohhh no the master has spoken
Same old JJ calling names, Seriously why do you trash people so much? You think you are the best one out there and have your head up your anus so far up you lost the sense of respect for others. Stop being so cocky just because you cooked a rom or two that personally i think they are worst then wm5. All this drama of I'M LEAVING GOOD BYE! If you left XDA do you still have to trash people here?
The problem is there are allot of followers for every cook and they ass kiss so much that they turn this forum into a war zone.
Now let the bashing start since this is what i expect from XDA these days anyways

Please stop posting off-topic posts. I'm trying to keep in some sort of order.

I think it's a great idea and highly appreciated that you're willing to put this effor into it. Now if all you guys with bad vibes would just focus on the real reason we all came to this forum in the first place, it'd be fantastic.
Let all the ROM-creative people be creative... and the rest of us... just stay appreciative for what is FREE!!!..
Thanks to all you great chefs out there!..

This reminds me of like a sourceforge project. cool!
I wish I was smart enough to develop.

guitar hero

does anyone have a link to the guitar hero cab? greatly appreaciated

Seconded.... except my message is much to short

Me too Please !!

why is everyone so protective of it, ive seen numerous posts on this site with people claiming they have it yet noone wants to give it up. it'd be greatly appreaciated i mean we are all here for the same reason, to help eachother out.

Probably because its copyrighted

just because someone has it, it doesnt mean they are going to freely give it out to anyone. It's not being rude, just selective. For example, if I had this game. I would only give it out to other people that have contributed to this site, not just a bunch of leechers that gain info or software and have nothing reciprocating to offer. And secondly it would be via PM or other communication ways. Not posted publicly on this site (which is against site rules)
Put it this way.... i'm not going to tell you where ( again against site rules) but there IS a site that has this app posted ( cTacked version) but you will need to find out where it is posted for yourself.

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Quite true, but isnt distributing edited versions of Windows Mobile O/S.
I am not complaining btw without Kavana and Rickys WM6.1 i would be stuck with BT Bloatware.

its really not that great. i was able to nail every song on the highest settings with little effort. its mainly good to just show off. plus you need a good interneet connection to get the songs

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why is everyone so protective of it, ive seen numerous posts on this site with people claiming they have it yet noone wants to give it up. it'd be greatly appreaciated i mean we are all here for the same reason, to help eachother out.
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Why do schoolchildren hide things behind their backs and say "MINE! You can't have it!"?

beartard said:
Why do schoolchildren hide things behind their backs and say "MINE! You can't have it!"?
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so you leechers keep your grubby paws off

I'm not a leecher. Never asked for a damned bit of your warez (I always hated the whole fake-music genre of games), but it seems like I hit a nerve with that comment. Guess if you have it, you're a leecher.
All I was saying is that having something like guitar hero makes certain people feel special...because they have it and others don't. If they let it out too liberally, just like the child in the schoolyard, they're not special anymore because everybody is the same again. They lose the "look what I got and you don't" shine.
It's a nasty attitude and shows that people really don't grow up. If you don't want to give it out, you really don't have to say anything at all. But it's the schoolboy in you that has to yell "MINE!"
To the original poster, Guitar Hero III mobile is available online. T-Mobile has it in their downloads as well. And I'm not sure who told you we're all here for the same reason: to help each other out. There are quite a lot of people here who feel they're at some elite status and can't be bothered with people who are where they were, say, ten months ago.

problem is, that most people dont contribute to this site ( or at least this forum) they sit here asking all sorts of questions, but never offer any help to others. Im not an eliteist.... i did what most techy type guys most like did when they first got their phones, they dabbled with it, figured crap out for themselves, and when they didnt, they found the almightly google for help. Once they started to put 2 & 2 together with what their phone could and couldnt do, they started offering help to others, and i stress help. Help is not giving out software that they have and saying: " here ya go! " help is actually resolving someone elses problem. and i hardly think that a software request is a problem. For those certain individuals that i've seen on this site actuall make a signifigant contribution to help others that are in need, when they've hit me up for software, i've always hooked them up, but for the ones that "hit & run" and have not had anything to offer to date, i dont give them anything. (and i stress give). its not like im going to be seeing these people on what you call the schoolgrounds anytime soon and i dont really care how many people have the same software i have. i do feel that some deserve it and some dont , based on their merit. simply googling guitar hero III and finding a thread in this forum, finding out that there is a guitar hero III for the mobile phone and then requesting it is not contributing anything in any way. ( BTW i've been with this forum since nov of 2006 and have had a smartphone since WM2003 so i dont know where you are getting your 10 months ago figure)

Nah, dude, that wasn't meant as a slight to you. I can't disagree with anything you wrote. I'm fairly new here myself (though I've had a smartphone since I had WM2003 on my Samsung SCH-i600 with Verizon). I joined it because it's a relatively well-respected forum in the smartphone community and a place that everyone asking questions elsewhere is sent to.
The problem is this forum just lacks moderation and organization. Being new here, I feel sorry for people just showing up and having to dive through this mess. Yes, a lot of questions get repeated. But it's fiendishly easy to say "justfuckinggoogleit.com" to the point that over 80% of a user's posts reflect that..again, without giving any real help. It makes the community look bad as a whole. That's what pisses me off.
I think being called a leech kinda set me off, too, since there's nothing on my phone (except the ROM) that's not either bought-and-paid-for or freeware.

im not calling you specifically a leech. im calling the people with 2 posts, one being "hey, can you also send guitar hero to me too??", leeches. they are the same retards that post 400000 times "HELP! ZOMG!!! I FINALLY GOT THE ROM TO WORK BUT MY KEYBOARD LAYOUT IS MESSED UP". ya know what i think of that? **** YOU AND YOUR KEYBOARD. if you are too stupid to read or use the SEARCH function (not google), then you are too stupid to use a phone like this. i realize that most are just lazy and are above searching for the answer or reading a few pages..to them i also have a heart felt **** you.
if someone has 50 or 100 posts and asks a silly question, i will gladly provide the answer if i know it. but the guy with 2 posts in 6 months can go find it himself.
when your first reaction to an issue you have with your phone is to post it in a new thread....you dont deserve help. how about doing some of the legwork yourself instead of posting "i NEED a step by step set of instructions blah blah blah". what you NEED is a kick in the nuts.
and if you really feel that by us saying "go do a search the topic has been discussed 4500000 times" makes the community look bad.....how does the community look when you have a bunch of posts by people with 2 post to date, asking all the same questions as eachother? i think its retarded that some senior users actually have to use their signatures to list step by step instructions for some of the most talked about topics, just so they dont have to type it for the 10000th time. hows that make our community look? makes it look like there are a handful of people that know what they are doing and it makes the rest look like a buncha n00b tards that are leading eachother down the stupid trail.

SO damn true!!! On that note LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO

Dont worry gixxum , in all kind of forums there are newbie that made all kind of Questions, there are other that helps to this newbie and there are other how you that say **** to this newbie, it is normal, there are everything in this world.
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satru said:
Dont worry gixxum , in all kind of forums there are newbie that made all kind of Questions, there are other that helps to this newbie and there are other how you that say **** to this newbie, it is normal, there are everything in this world.
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at the risk of sounding rude.... what?

Mikey1022 said:
SO damn true!!! On that note LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO LMFAO
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FOR ALL THE NOOBS: IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, OR JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS, PM MIKEY1022
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FOR ALL THE NOOBS: IF YOU HAVE ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, OR JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS, PM MIKEY1022
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Don't go there....AGAIN!!! lol
This seems like De Ja Vue

I only hope that you helps me when and make a Question and you know the answer because i have in 1 month more than 50 post.
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if someone has 50 or 100 posts and asks a silly question, i will gladly provide the answer if i know it. but the guy with 2 posts in 6 months can go find it himself.
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Elite Team ROM Project & Signing Team

Hi Guys,
So, this is the placeholder thread for a ROM we intend to produce... we want ideas... donations would be a plus, we don't actually have a Diamond.
Also, we want people familiar with building and extracting NBHs, or with a bit of savvy, who we can trust who we want to give our signing certificate to so they can sign ROMs (for yourself, and for other people)
Those interested, please post!

count me in!!!

Probably a noob question but anyways. Is this another team working on another project? I already donated to Tom's work. It doesn't really matter, I just want really nice things to happen really fast to the beloved Diamond. In fact I decided to wait for the Touch Pro but guess all this will jump start it when it finally arrives.

I'll help in any way I can...

count me in if u guys feel i can apply for the team. read my works to know more about me

Me too, know the basics, but I'm not so retarded that I can't follow instructions to do anything you need once I've got one.
Rory

Count me in!

Count me in (if you are not full). Classed as a noob here...Elsewhere less so. I read more than I write. Anything to help "put back" into the xda-dev's....Plus, just seen I live up the road from mrvanx...Might even know him LOL.

demonizator said:
Probably a noob question but anyways. Is this another team working on another project? I already donated to Tom's work. It doesn't really matter, I just want really nice things to happen really fast to the beloved Diamond. In fact I decided to wait for the Touch Pro but guess all this will jump start it when it finally arrives.
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yes, another project... since Tom Codon is just a feckless untalented twit who uses other people to release **** (yep, jocky made his (unworking) Hard-SPL, not Tom), he had success with the Nike project in getting a free device, so he fancied freeloading his way to one here. (interestingly, I was originally slated to get a device... enough money was made but it seems that disappeared into Tom's pocket)
So, I frankly don't like this crap, so we're stepping in to take over basically... this is partly why we're releasing the Hard-SPL with signing, so good Ole Tom doesn't rip us off and resume his game.
I was originally uninvolved in these politics, then people started telling me how Tom was deliberately trying to avoid working with me so he could release a Hard-SPL and keep the stuff to himself, well, I guess that ****ing backfired now.
Anyway folks, me, cmonex, bepe and walshieau plan to bang out a a suitable ROM for your delight.
So, anybody with ROMs, skills and anything to contribute, PM Me or Cmonex (or post here, we'll get around to PMing you)!

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Count me in (if you are not full). Classed as a noob here...Elsewhere less so. I read more than I write. Anything to help "put back" into the xda-dev's....Plus, just seen I live up the road from mrvanx...Might even know him LOL.
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Hmm we might have a 'northern' team for the project lol.
i'll help if i can.

Olipro said:
yes, another project... since Tom Codon is just a feckless untalented twit who uses other people to release **** (yep, jocky made his (unworking) Hard-SPL, not Tom), he had success with the Nike project in getting a free device, so he fancied freeloading his way to one here. (interestingly, I was originally slated to get a device... enough money was made but it seems that disappeared into Tom's pocket)
So, I frankly don't like this crap, so we're stepping in to take over basically... this is partly why we're releasing the Hard-SPL with signing, so good Ole Tom doesn't rip us off and resume his game.
I was originally uninvolved in these politics, then people started telling me how Tom was deliberately trying to avoid working with me so he could release a Hard-SPL and keep the stuff to himself, well, I guess that ****ing backfired now.
Anyway folks, me, cmonex, bepe and walshieau plan to bang out a a suitable ROM for your delight.
So, anybody with ROMs, skills and anything to contribute, PM Me or Cmonex (or post here, we'll get around to PMing you)!
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So there is a reason to some signing! Never realised there were any politics here! As I've said already, I'll help with anything wanted...

Yeah, I think HTC are going to **** themselves a bit when they find this... and believe me they will, they're not particularly fast off the mark at catching this crap, but they'll find it eventually.
Next week I'll throw a big piece of **** in the bonfire by releasing a sim unlocker.

Olipro said:
Yeah, I think HTC are going to **** themselves a bit when they find this... and believe me they will, they're not particularly fast off the mark at catching this crap, but they'll find it eventually.
Next week I'll throw a big piece of **** in the bonfire by releasing an unlocker.
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Olipro - Top of HTCs most wanted...
HTCs locking down of devices seems to fail as soon as someone who knows what they are doing even touches their systems...

l3v5y said:
Olipro - Top of HTCs most wanted...
HTCs locking down of devices seems to fail as soon as someone who knows what they are doing even touches their systems...
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Since they can never lock down the OS to prevent you running your own apps (because that'd never sell) they can't stop us putting stuff in RAM, so no matter what they try, we always have an angle to load our own stuff to flash.

Olipro said:
Since they can never lock down the OS to prevent you running your own apps (because that'd never sell) they can't stop us putting stuff in RAM, so no matter what they try, we always have an angle to load our own stuff to flash.
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If they manage to completely rebuild the bootloader, you'd need to work out how to use it, which would at least slow you down...

i beleive "Hard-SPL" is a trademark of Oilpro (you know if you a hermes user)
ps: his old avatar is look more trustable, beleive me

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If they manage to completely rebuild the bootloader, you'd need to work out how to use it, which would at least slow you down...
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For sure it will take HTC longer to rebuild the bootloader completely

vua777 said:
i beleive "Hard-SPL" is a trademark of Oilpro (you know if you a hermes user)
ps: his old avatar is look more trustable, beleive me
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You called?

Job well done, everyone is applauding...
However if you delay SSPL/HSPL version to flash unsigned ROMs, someone may patch your patch.
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this is partly why we're releasing the Hard-SPL with signing, so good Ole Tom doesn't rip us off and resume his game.
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Now YOU are talking about a rip-off? You, who even ripped your signature?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=296734
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I was originally uninvolved in these politics, then people started telling me how Tom was deliberately trying to avoid working with me so he could release a Hard-SPL and keep the stuff to himself, well, I guess that ****ing backfired now.
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If you're not into politics why are you making things harder by confronting everyone all the time? Don't you see you are like tom_codon yourself, "shamelessly" accepting donations and "keeping the stuff" to yourself?

Oli and cmonex do a lot for this community whether you realize it or not. It seems like every new device that hits has oli and cmonex working on tools like hard spl and unlockers to further our tweaking and hacking needs. I can see why he gets frustrated with the state of things, he works quite hard on solving these technical challenges and all he gets for it is ripped off as in the case of people selling his unlockers on ebay. He may not seem like the friendliest of guys here but even if you don't like him you should at least respect him. I tip my hat to you oli and cmonex, you put up with more crap here than I likely would.

Take care of your cooks

You know. I was always wondering why developers suddenly stop with roms or programs. They can have family or personal reasons like being very busy with work or with whatever.
But there are more reasons why developers stop with cooking roms and/or programs. I've seen this before on other forums where developers stopped. Like with "Todayplus" some years ago.Same reason.
Here's the other reason
Just a suggestion though to others, take care of cooks you still have here (ex: pcarvalho).Signs of encouragement help, less demanding in threads as if they owe you something, and every now and then donate enough to keep them motivated.
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As the cooker explaing this has nothing to do with donations.I think the above is very true.Demanding is very "deadly" in every case.
Think about it!

I agree there seems to be a sense of entitlement to people who are using the ROMs.
The good chefs here cook how they feel they want to and offer it to you. If you want something changed, learn to cook yourself.
The OP is absolutely right if we start mistreating anyone or bark out orders, they will stop.

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The OP is absolutely right if we start mistreating anyone or bark out orders, they will stop.
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Hi
I wrote the OP. The quote I used was from a cook I read and this start making me think. Resulted in this thread.So he was right. I only spread his word

Sadly, this attitude is not new and not unique to these 'rom cookers' either. Coming from an Open Source background, you must see the number of demands that are made of our project/members.. even when *we* offer free support and help as well as software.

I like to kick this thread once in a while to make you aware of the subject. Since it is important if you like see the new ROM's keep coming up.

i would like to also make note of the fact that not a lot of user will download a rom by a new cook. this is a bit unfair since although the rom that has been made may not be the best it still took a lot of hard work to create
the reason im highlighting this is because i think it important to try out roms from nrew cooks and let them know how its gewtting on in terms of performance wise let them know whats wrong with it and were it could be improved
ok now ill use an example
when i posted my rom i got a few downloaders who try it out but all of one reply
this reply consisted of badmouthing my rom
then i got one who said it was actually fast
so basically the first poster on the thread about my rom wasnt being very nice and id like to thank hendrixus for letting people this is a problem
also as far as my last post went
sorry if it confused the op into thinking i was calling him a dent
i wasnt talking bout this threasd but my own

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im more inclined to take the advice from the second poster but the first poter was a bit of a dent
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That's because I smoke a Cigar right?

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im more inclined to take the advice from the second poster but the first poter was a bit of a dent
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[offtopic]
What a nice compliment, thanks.
btw I don't smoke at all
English is not my native. You probely speak better dutch then I do English [/offtopic]
Nevertheless.People do agree to what I wrote. But I still find posters demand the cooks, who ask the same questions over-and-over again. They don't search, nor read (faqs) to find the answers which are there.
They just "hop-in" and start asking. Like we are the HTC's helpdesk which we arn't.

I noticed the following for some time.
Even when a app is discontinued people keep on "talking" to the programmer, even when he hasn't been on the forum for a year or so. Asking for bugfixes and new features.
It is not only ridiculious, but pathetic too. Those who are doing so are not only newbies but also seniors. At least they should know better

oh crap i think ive just totally confused you all when i was reffering to the first poster being a dent and me wanting to believe the scond one
i was talking about my own rom thread. when i posted my rom in the thread for it the first poster just labelled it a piece of crap even though i said it was my first the second poster was a bit nicer
i wasnt talking bout you guys