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Upgrading to WM5, is it wise?

I'm thinking to upgrade my BA (Qtek 9090) to WM2005.
Few things i would like to know. Is it safe procedure? Or is it possible to b0rk my device for good?
Another thing is that is there a site where you could find programs or utilities or WM2005 features that doesn't work?

If you have to ask, you shouldn't do it. I have been working with computers in all shapes and forms for 20 years, and it was pretty difficult to get this right.

Mastiff said:
If you have to ask, you shouldn't do it.
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Have to agree with Mastif with this.. I have converted twice now from WM2003SE to WM5 and then converted back again.. Personally, provided you follow the advice in Wiki, you shouldn't have a problem but..
If your BA is working exactly as you want it to, then why change.. Others on here have changed because they fancy a new look on their BA whereas some have changed for the improved BT performance, etc etc..
WM2003SE with the latest 1.42 T-Mobile Rom (and ExtROM) are perfectly good enough for me right now.. It does what I need it to..
I guess what I'm saying is that if you're not comfortable changing to WM5 and there's no real need then why do it..?
Hope this answer helps..? I'd hate to see a post on here form yourself with the title "Help - I've Borked my BA!" :lol:
Cheers,

Infra,
Well i was using WM5 since it was released for BA. Just a couple of days back i shifted to WM2003SE because there was no radio service. However within 1 day of my usage it got soft reseted at least 10 times. I know that some might say that the softwares installed were not correct. However the same programs are installed WM5. It has not soft reset even once. For me i think that WM5 is more stable even in this leaked version. You might loose some of your favorite SW if it has not been updated for WM5.
Just my $0.02.
Best Regards,
Hemant.

Flashing back to wm5?

How would I go about flashing my phone back to wm5? Or should I? I never really used wm5 and went straight to wm6. What do you guys think is more buggy? I have a feeling wm6 is or maybe I just need to reinstall it. It nothing specific just random bugs like sometimes the screen light wont turn off, memory running out, and just other things that happen. So should i flash to wm5 or reflash wm6 in hopes of having it fix issues.

Stay with WM6. It rocks. There are fixes for just about everything, you just have to look around a little.
Sounds to me like you hard a bad install and something went wrong. I would re-install the WM6 ROM from TMO here --> http://www.t-mobile.com/wmupgrade/
After you install (W/O memory card installed) it go here --->http://howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1160147
Hope this helps.

So what exactly does having the memory card out do when your installing? Ill do a reinstall when I get home.

Not sure but I've read that many people choose to do a clean install without anything extra like storage cards installed. Something about an endless reboot loop. There's a big thread about in on HOFO.

May i ask what the Pros and Cons for both WM5 and WM6 ROMS are?

oldsap said:
May i ask what the Pros and Cons for both WM5 and WM6 ROMS are?
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you're kidding right?

lafester said:
you're kidding right?
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hahaha no sir. I have just ordered my DASH and while reading through the threads, ive seen lots of bugs, etc when WM6 ROM is used.
By pros and cons, i meant the essential performance of the unit when using WM5 or WM6, like battery life, speed, etc

people freak out when they upgrade and think everything is going to be the same as wm5 only better. there are very few real bugs in wm6 and those have all been fixed here.
there are still some apps that don't work but there's nothing we can do about that. i'm sure the devs will update their products soon.
speed is slightly faster but everything else is about the same performance wise. i actually have a little more memory with wm6 then i did with wm5 but programs still leak so its best to keep them closed.
all the other enhancements make it a no brainer to upgrade especially if you are just getting it and haven't loaded it up with apps and tweaks already.

thank you lafester for the quick reply

I'm staying with WM5 for the simple fact that I still have "voice tags" !!
does anyone knows if there exist a Widcom stack to hack over the MS stack ??? simply for more BT profiles ??? I also own the Axim X51V and having the Widcom stack rules !!! MS BT stack is the pit !!!

lafester said:
i actually have a little more memory with wm6 then i did with wm5 but programs still leak so its best to keep them closed.
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???
comparing the 2 ROMs ( HTC WM5 for S620 & WM6 T-mobile )
HTC S620 = 23+ MB
T-Mobile = 19 + MB
this is after a fresh ROM upgrade/downgrade ... from rogers S621.
how did you get more ????
I do agreed however ... that WM6 is a little zippier

maybe because i have the dash so we are comparing different starting roms.

ive read somewhere that there is a built in IM for yahoo,etc in WM5 ROM. If this is true, is it also available in WM6 ROM?

oldsap said:
ive read somewhere that there is a built in IM for yahoo,etc in WM5 ROM. If this is true, is it also available in WM6 ROM?
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yep but it doesn't connect over wifi, I think it might be designed to only use GPRS so t-mobile can make revenue from it.

Anyone know how to manually remove all the t-mobile programs from the dash? Mine is only sim unlocked but not cid so I can't install the HTC S620 rom.

how do you flash back to wm5 i have problems with wm6

iba12345 said:
how do you flash back to wm5 i have problems with wm6
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the same way you would with WM6 ... only this time use the HTC S620 WM5 ROM
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=288230

this is kinda OT here but may i ask which WM5 ROM is the best with regards to speed, ease of use, memory? DopodAsia/T-Mo/HTC?

Which is the Best rom to update wm6 to wm6.1

Dear member,
I am new to this rom update. I am confused with many rom available for updating WM6 to wm6.1. I am using At&t 8525-wm6. Now i want to update it to wm6.1. Can any one please help with the best rom link to download and update my 8525 os.
I am using HP laptop with vista ultimate-32bit.
Thanks in advance.
Krishna

"the best rom" is all preference really, you should try them out and see which one works best for you etc.
im using CrC's rom, however people are having troubles with V10 so go for v9 in my opinion however other people have other views.

I tried crcs and farias r32 wm6.1,, I think wm6 is better to tytn, cos wm6.1 needs more ram.. and the device cant work well with multitasks..
now I´m using schaps wm6 4.31. and its better than all wm6.1 in my opinion
bye

I definately agree with sebastianmc. Schaps WM6 (4.31) is one of the best roms available. My suggestion is to steer clear of WM6.1 ROMs since they tend to be buggy and if you still have hair in your head, you'd be ripping them off a hand full at a time.
Schaps is supposedly going to release his WM6.1, so hang tight and give it a shot when it is posted here.

Thanks for the question and the answers. I have been running JJ's Black Magic ROM since way back and it is still going strong on my device. But am feeling the urge to jump to a new ROM. I will try Schaps 4.31 and see. I will wait for a 6.1 ROM.

Thank you
Dear Members,
Thanks for the valuable information. I am going to install Schap's wm6 Pro 4.31 on my 8525. Is Schap's wm6.1 final version released?

Well I had Schwaps, (sp) 4.31 on my phone for months without a single issue.
Until I was getting random deaths with my Bluetooth GPS and TomTom, then I was getting hard times to answer the phone, would hit answer and it would still ring 2 or 3 times before I could get it. Probably just from being stale in my phone for months with dozens of apps installed and removed.
I changed to the latest CRC release and was loving it, until this AM the phone was locked up completely. It was so locked I did a hard reset on it. I did stay with the CRC. Its a great rom. I love the speed of it, I really like the way it handles SMS messages, ah hell I like everything about it.
Only draw backs is that it is not a "loaded" app. There is no office, no games, no big clock on your desktop. You have to add all that stuff in later. Ands it appears to be a game of Russian roulette when you hit the button to install.
I would browse around all the roms, even do a quick install of a few and play with them for a day. If you don't like it change to a new one.
I am in the same boat as you , I want, I need, a rom that has all the windows bells and whistles with office. Pocket Rar would be good. Windows Audio player would be good. Ah well I am going to keep searching.

Thank you for ur advice mr . it was helpful .. the question now is did u find something better as u said coz i am looking for something as u do

Shadow CE
I don't know why you guys experience such headache with 6.1 ... I've tried every 6.1 posted and they had mostly all given me issues (mostly speed) .. But the one 6.1 rom that i daily use is Shadow CE . It's fast, reliable and never (seldomly) ever gives me issues .
I reboot once a week, sometimes less . with Shadow CE 6.1 ..

I use ShaDoW's rom too and I love it as far as 6.1 roms go. I haven't had to reboot it at all since I've had it on, ... wait a minute - yea I did, 1 time. Sorry, and I have been running it since it came out a while a go.
The only trouble I have with it is the MMS service. I don't use bluetooth or any of that other stuff though.
Its a very stable rom for 6.1. I've been trying a different 6.0 rom lately and miss ShaDoWs rom. Will be going back to it in the next day or so.

try this one....
i love it ....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=387516
but remember to flash this one first to avoid hard resets
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=334946
also it may not be right for u if u use 3G or MMS

Best ROM for my axim x51v?

Not sure if ROM is the correct word for it, I'm pretty well versed in computers but have never tried any of this custom firmware stuff for my gadgets. I'm want to try something new, and was planning on doing a big hard reset anyways so I figured I might as well try something new. Currently my axim is on the A12 rom, which I believe was the last official rom from dell. (feel free to correct me here) Searching around I was led to this site, and there seem to be a few different options. From my little research I've found these three.
Footballs' A17 and his WM6 rom
Lenny's WM6 rom
I figure I might as well go for WM6 since its out now, but I don't know. I like Lenny's since it seems to come with a fair amount of included software. Football's on the other hand seems to be more popular. I would like to make sure of what I'm going to use before I go about messing with my axim.
I have few requirements, the major one being that I like to use ozvga to put my axim in "true" vga mode. Can anyone offer an guidance here? Searching through the threads just left me more confused.

You can't go wrong with Lenny's L11 WM6.1 ROM! It doesn't have ozvga bundled but you can load it yourself.
Go here to get it.

Makuu's ROM has VGA support built into it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439586
But personally I like Lenny's ROM better, and add the VGA support manually. See my sig below for the link.
Cheers
Mark

Thanks for the input, I think it's going to be Lenny's. My intent from the beginning was to add on the vga I just wasn't sure if it would support it, sorry for any confusion.
Forgot to add- Will my old programs still work?

If you want to use live msn in trueVga, mode, you must check with Markvan if his package are including the trueVga live msn dlls.
About your old programs, if some of them are using irda (like noviiremote), you have to choose one rom that has irda support.

Thanks for the input guys. Went ahead and installed Lenny's, flashing the memory turned out to be much easier than I thought. I love it, a big thanks to all you developers out there, breathed new life into my axim.

Is the LennySH version better than the Football one?

poinless thread
only way to find out whats best for you is to get flashing.
thank you

New to the Excalibur

Hi all! This is my first time posting in here as I'm just now getting one of the "new" T-mobile Dash phones. I've been reading the different threads, especially the ROM threads, trying to figure out which is the most stable/usable.
I know my way around PDAs pretty well, having had an IPAQ 1945 and then a Dell Axim x30 (the 624 MHz processor one), which I still love and have with me constantly. But this new Dash will be my first smartphone and my first entry into the WinMo 6+ world.
I'm interested in hearing which ROMs you guys like and what are some of the good and bad with them. I've read the version changes and all of that, but there's nothing like reviews from the guys that use the software/hardware every day. Basically what I'm looking for in a ROM is:
1) WinMo 6.1
2) Updated radios for bluetooth and wi-fi (might as well have the hardware at its best if you've paid for it, right?)
3) SDHC compatibility (Anyone know what the largest size memory card is that the Dash (Excalibur) can read and fully utilize? I've heard 16 is the max.)
4) Stability. If the phone isn't constantly crashing, it'd be great. haha
So to all you Excalibur users: What ROM do you recommend and why?
Thanks all for your time and I'm glad to be joining the Excalibur community!!!
~Walter

Your best bet is to flash them all and see the ROM you like as best ROM there is none, it's down to personal preference, won't take more than 30 mins to get base set, with regards to SDHC all WM6.1 support 16GB "taken from other threadz" as i only have tryed 8GB.
Hope that helps.

i had used the 6.1 final from kavana, and flashed to the rose Rom by Ricky and Stylez last night. so far, i like the Rose rom the best. but like said, its all personal preference as to which is the best. and like Stylez sad, 16gb is what people say will work. i havent even tried anything over a 2gb yet lol

I tried the various 6.1 roms from this site and from my experiance with them, IMHO I think the Kavana 080408 WWE is the most stable and less laggy over the Rose 1.7 rom.
But I have to agree its all about personal opinion and what features you are looking for. Your just gonna have to try them out for yourself and decide wich one you like the most.
MY favorite improvement is that I can now use my 4gig SD over the 2gig I had to use with inMo 6, I was so dissapointed about that.

Thank you guys for the response. I'll start with the suggested ROMs and then work my way around to others.
I just got off the phone with t-mobile, my Dash should get here either tomorrow or Friday. I'm going to spend the whole weekend flashing ROMs and loading all my favorite software onto it! haha
Okay, a related question: I've been looking into Java games for the phone since it seems most of the ROMs on here have Jbed or Esmertec Java loaded on them. The games list phones they're meant to run on, but I know on my old Sony Ericsson phone I could run Java games that weren't meant for that device, but were compatible.
So are there any phones "like" the Excalibur that I should keep in mind when doing my Java game buying? (Like will games that work on the Blackjack II most likely work on my new Excalibur?)
Thanks again!

Help please!
I thought I will use this thread since I am new to the Dash too.
I just got a couple of easy questions. I tried to look here and even on Google, but I either suck at searching or the answers I am looking for are not there.
I read the wiki on how to flash and I read that: If necessary, unlock your phone using either the SDA Application Unlock program or Surreal Networks' AppUnlock or both. This will enable third-party software installation. Not performing this step properly is the primary reason why Error 270 happens.
So, either or? The reason I ask is because I would do both just to be safe, but SDA unzips fine but Surreal does not. When I unzip it, it copies the files that are in the zip in the folder I chose to unzip them into. Do I have to do both? And if so whats wrong and how do I fix this. Same thing happens for other supposed CAB files I downloaded. They just copy themselves but don't "change" into one cab file to be installed. Same happens with tegic.
romupdateutility.exe... where do I find it and what is it? I saw all the videos possible about flashing Kavana's and even Jamerican doesn't use this.
Is it true that if I update to Kavana I will not be able to use MMS and the Internet or are those an older update problems? The new 6.1 works flawlessly correct? (I saw a thread on how to fix the sms, mms, and web problem) Where can I find an original uncooked WinMo 6.1 update?
It doesn't seem hard to flash, but I am a newbie to this smart phones WinMo stuff. My Dash, I got it yesterday and I already run low in memory. I closed all the apps and I still only have 7.212 Kb of memory! That sucks! I hope WM 6.1 is better because WM 6.0 is not good.

Captain Totti,
Please read the sticky "guide to flashing"
With re: to surreal check our RoseRom remade first post there is a guide to flash click the if stuck @ 3%, as both files & what to do there..
Re: MMS either connection setup or input of settings manually will work.
stylez.

Capitan Totti you will not be dissapointed in 6.1. Imagine your drowning in a pool and someone finally decides to pull you out of the water and you finally get to breathe, thats what going to 6.1 feels like! IMO WinMo 6 is complete garbage and 6.1 should be the standard for every phone out there thats running 6.
Flashing is very simple as long as you read the directions. Good luck!

Oh I have been reading a lot alright! Yes, it does not seem hard, but I just wanted to make sure I don't brick the phone.

Double post.

I screwed it up the first few times (from not reading the directions first) and still came out ok.

I found some good threads and done a lot of reading, but I guess no one had this problem so far but me. As I said above, I got the tegicet9 files and also the fullet9 files... (I am Italian so I would like to have both Italian and english on the phone) but when I unzip them into a folder I called New Folder for all my unzipping... they just copy themselves and don't change into one icon like say the SDA unlock or the USPL thing I got makes itself as more than one folder... ?? Thanks.

Was wondering if I should also call T-Mobile to SIM Unlock the phone, you know so I can use the Dash with any SIM. I am gonna have to do it anyway for when I go to Italy but I was wondering if NOT sim unlocking the Dash and then upgrading will cause issues on the phone. ???
So far it seems easy.
Connect Dash, run SDA unlock from desktop, once its done unzip (if you have not before) SurrealNetAppUnlock (which is another file that does not unzip for some reason), place it in My Documents (I don't have a memory card yet), go to Dash itself, go to File Explorer and install it from Dash itself. Once done turn off Dash.... turn it back on connected to ActiveSync, run USPL.Bat (Mine says USPL.Batch but I take it its the same), click enter on keyboard and ok on dash when prompt to, after a bit it will go black then white (bootloader mode), open RUU.Kavana and follow the steps (if I pass 3% I know I am good)... now I got a question... When the upgrading is complete 100% and you can click finish... I know it does a cold reboot, do I have to (ever? I've seen videos and all but this part is not clear also sound wise on say YouTube) unplug the usb cable or no?I know that for et9 I got to just place it and install it on the Dash but like I said, it does not unzip insto an installable file. If someone can read this and answer my few questions and help, I will be done hacking this baby in less than 30 minutes. Thanks