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The official HTC forum in Norway has confirmed that HTC will release an WM6 update for TyTn.
http://smartmobil.no/Article639.phtml
Sorry if this information is outdated
Its also on Qtek's swedish site that theres 5 HTC phones definitly getitng the official upgrade.. http://www.qtek.se/sweden/nyheter/senaste_nytt.aspx
I'm sure it has already been covered someplace else on the forums already mind.
Yea, i think it have been posted earlier today/this week. Says late summer, so im thinking july, august
well, this is great news.
let's hope the official update will have all problems fixed etc.
Cingular announced this a few weeks ago. Actually they confirmed WM6 for the 8525, blackjack AND treo 750. No release dates though, but engadget reported that the Blackjack update is probably going to be released the earliest.
official WM6
Hi
Its true that TyTn gone have an official WM6. But I’m not sure that they can delivery it in June or July because TyTn Europe couldn’t jet delivery a new Swedish MW5 Rom witch been known since months on xda-developers forum it was suppose to delivery in January 07. so I satisfying so long with current WM6 such as Black, LVSW etc.
regards
Yes, and the question is: witch one will be better? Or better suiteable...
I believe that the heroes here (we all are) investigated so much in this stuff that I will make this statement: HTC learn from XDA or you lose!!! Probably they've read all our treads and learnd from it.
Question: What do you think concerning this matter?
I think Cingular/HTC waits for the developers here to solve all the problems then they just copy and release what was done here Saves them time and money developing their own stuff. lol
krisg0 said:
I think Cingular/HTC waits for the developers here to solve all the problems then they just copy and release what was done here Saves them time and money developing their own stuff. lol
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hahaha, lol, man, its cool.
They will read your post and theirs faces will be red.
Its true though... even if an offical release becomes available for my Vario II, I'm not totally sure that I would upgrade giving tha I'm so happy with my LVSW WM6 install
i have the same sentiments... the roms here are almost "made to order" with features that majority of us agree on. I really can't imagine upgrading to an official "operator" or "manufacturer" rom unless there's a big boo boo in the one's i've installed from here (which there have been none I might add).
Cheerios! Leo
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krisg0 said:
I think Cingular/HTC waits for the developers here to solve all the problems then they just copy and release what was done here Saves them time and money developing their own stuff. lol
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For sure, this is the development field of WM6.
Where are the going to find such gurus as here?
And for free....
leo-chan said:
i have the same sentiments... the roms here are almost "made to order" with features that majority of us agree on. I really can't imagine upgrading to an official "operator" or "manufacturer" rom unless there's a big boo boo in the one's i've installed from here (which there have been none I might add).
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I presonally prefer official ROMs over these user-made. WM6 roms I've tried do have more or less annoying bugs and unusefull software (xcept maybe for vanillas).
Original roms are (or at least should be) guaranteed to work on phones they have been made for.
jfrm said:
For sure, this is the development field of WM6.
Where are the going to find such gurus as here?
And for free....
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Yes, advanced users here provide very much, but not that many actually developes the OS itself. They just add tweaks
and some freeware programs in it.
Oh and believe me, there are more gurus out there as well. This is just a forum with few experts and I doubt they
do this for a living, more like a hobby.
For free? How many times you have paid for a rom that operator releases?
And WM6 for free? I'd say that's piracy. You do pay for at least to upgrade from Windows XP to Vista?
When you buy a new computer that comes with an OS, you can't assume that you are entitled for a free upgrade
to OS when ever one is released.
I find the best thing this forum has to offer is free problem solving when it comes to bricking your device when
you either don't have a clue what you are doing or then something goes wrong while flashing your phone.
Hats off for the expert for that.
Wiper said:
And WM6 for free? I'd say that's piracy. You do pay for at least to upgrade from Windows XP to Vista?
When you buy a new computer that comes with an OS, you can't assume that you are entitled for a free upgrade to OS when ever one is released.
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I found this comment interesting - and technically, it sounds true , so as not to diverse from the original post, I've started a new thread incase anyone else wonders what the legalities are... I don't know, I'm just wondering myself!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302409
Great news...
I wonder if this is the reason the upgrade that was announced for Q1 still hasn't been released?
Jörg
Wiper said:
You do pay for at least to upgrade from Windows XP to Vista?
When you buy a new computer that comes with an OS, you can't assume that you are entitled for a free upgrade
to OS when ever one is released.
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It is quite different thing for several reasons:
1. You can't go and buy an OS for a PocketPC or smartphone. Moreover, there is no and can't be a market for OSes for such devices: any build is device dependent. Show me that shop, and I'll buy Symbian or Linux for my TyTN!
2. When you buy a motherboard, you expect free BIOS update, especially if the original is buggy. For embedded devices (STB, modem, router, MP3 player etc) you do expect free firmware update, especially if the original one is buggy. No matter that the firmware is based on a Linux or even no OS. Windows Mobile is just a part of the firmware for our devices.
And, because Windows Mobile is always buggy, we do expect free updates!
Yes, you get free updates for BIOS as you do get for your phone. They are called ROM updates, which include fixes for radio, bootloader, OS fixes and stuff, but NOT a new OS.
As I see it, when a new OS has been released, it will be sold as a part of a new phone (OEM). As you can't purchase OEM versions you are stuck with the one you currently own, but you still do get free updates.
I would find it quite strange if you would be supported with brand new OS for no additional cost, since I believe the operators/manufacturers sure has to pay license fees for
new OS's.
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I would find it quite strange if you would be supported with brand new OS for no additional cost, since I believe the operators/manufacturers sure has to pay license fees for
new OS's.
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Don't be so restricted, look wider!
Manufacturers get money from selling their devices. If they won't update the OS on just released models (and TyTN is far from EOL), they loose sales. Then they can give the same ROM to us, old owners, for no cost for them.
Then, they just announced new models on almost the same hardware. They have to use the new OS on them, so they have to make the new ROM for them. But if they won't update our ROMs with the new OS, they'd have to continue supporting two different lines of ROMs, instead of one with small very specific changes. It's additional cost. Or, drop support for recent devices, means loose their face and then sales of new devices.
Believe me, it's not free, and not for no cost from us. We paid enough to let them support us until EOL, and they earn enough from such upgrades.
Just like owners of other devices paid for all the firmware updates, we paid for our updates. The early we purchased the more we paid, BTW. An update with the new OS for recent devices for HTC is cheaper than no updates or updates with old OS. Even if the update would be less stable/useful than WM5 AKU3.5!
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Yes, you get free updates for BIOS as you do get for your phone. They are called ROM updates, which include fixes for radio, bootloader, OS fixes and stuff, but NOT a new OS.
As I see it, when a new OS has been released, it will be sold as a part of a new phone (OEM). As you can't purchase OEM versions you are stuck with the one you currently own, but you still do get free updates.
I would find it quite strange if you would be supported with brand new OS for no additional cost, since I believe the operators/manufacturers sure has to pay license fees for
new OS's.
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If Microsoft provides the upgrade to the OEM for free (which it looks like they are doing for WM6) and the OEM provides the upgrade to current owners for free (which it looks like they will do when they eventually do it), then it is not piracy.
Keep in mind that Microsoft really makes its money on its core products (currently Vista, Office 2007 and Exchange 2007). They REALLY want users (especially enterprise users) to upgrade to those new products. If you have a Windows Mobile device, you need WM6 on those devices to take full advantage of the new features in the core products, so why wouldn't they give it away? It will pay for itself twice or three times over. Besides, as other users have pointed out, WM6 is really just a bug fix maintenance release for WM5.0!
John
Big props to kavana and others for their excellent work, but I'm always uneasy about installing unofficial/unintended ROMs. If I knew that an official 6.1 ROM was coming, say within the year, I might stick with 1.33 for now. Are there any rumors or rumblings at all about a possible release date? Or has it been confirmed NOT to be coming?
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Big props to kavana and others for their excellent work, but I'm always uneasy about installing unofficial/unintended ROMs. If I knew that an official 6.1 ROM was coming, say within the year, I might stick with 1.33 for now. Are there any rumors or rumblings at all about a possible release date? Or has it been confirmed NOT to be coming?
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It's coming. When is the question
what is 1.33 and since i have tmobile what apps ext will i be losing by flashing to this 1.33 Rom
Here read the thread....http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=354126
I rather install the kavana one than a carrier branded one.
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I rather install the kavana one than a carrier branded one.
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Even when T-Mobile comes out with an official ROM. I wont be upgrading to theirs. Maybe I'll upgrade, if HTC rolls one out.
I'm waiting for Googles OS, personally.
Mikey1022 said:
Even when T-Mobile comes out with an official ROM. I wont be upgrading to theirs. Maybe I'll upgrade, if HTC rolls one out.
I'm waiting for Googles OS, personally.
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Be careful, especially if T-Mobile does not support SDHC cards. The US roms limit you to 2gb. The 1.33 rom allows at least 8gb (I use one).
I can not understand why T-Mobile US does not allow SDHC in their rom, when the actual OEM supplier of their phone supports SDHC with the Dash.
I would think it constrains their sales.
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Be careful, especially if T-Mobile does not support SDHC cards. The US roms limit you to 2gb. The 1.33 rom allows at least 8gb (I use one).
I can not understand why T-Mobile US does not allow SDHC in their rom, when the actual OEM supplier of their phone supports SDHC with the Dash.
I would think it constrains their sales.
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with respect the the SDHC and lack of support. and retro-support via new ROM. As far as marketing is concerned, if they release a new phone that supports SDHC and is more expensive than the DASH i would understand why they would choose not to retro-support SDHC for the dash since people won't be as apt to buy a new phone for the SDHC support if they already have a phone that already supports SDHC.....i don't like it, but i would understand their reasons
4 words
ALL ABOUT THE MONEY
I hope they do come out with the rom soon.
I would upgrade to the cooked roms now, but nobody seems to have dumped the 531.6 that my Dash currently has, in case I don't like the 6.1 rom I would like to go back to 531.6, but looks like I can't do it.
Mikey1022 said:
I'm waiting for Googles OS, personally.
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Are we getting Android on the S620? The pictures of a device running Android look more like an S640.
Back on topic: I will wait for someone to cook up something nice after the official drops.
this thread was started about an official 6.1 release, so we shouldn't get distracted with android.
I'm not sure why you would want a new unproven OS anyway. WM has zillions of applications and works quite nicely. I'll wait for 2 years after android is live before even considering it.
quite frankly I would like an official HTC 1.33 release, which doesn't seem to be around yet.
The Excalibur, although used much in practice isn't high on the support list i think. HTC will put its effeorts into the new devices and not the older ones ...
However I would also like to see an Official 6.1 ROM for it ...
Official release date
Apparently the official release date will be Apr 1.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/13612/14636/windows-mobile-61-coming-april.phtml
Of course, that doesn't mean there will be an official update on that date or anytime near that date, but since the Dash is still a high profile T-Mobile phone, I'm going to guess it will be released soon.
Also, I had a quick conversation with some Windows mobile people at the MS booth during a recent event, they said to expect a release soon. (His words, 'don't worry, it's not going to be a September release, you'll see it much sooner')
Now that the dust had settled, does anyone know if we will ever get an official upgrade to 6.1 for the S620? It doesn't seem to appear in any of the official microsoft lists
(Thankfully cooked ROMs exist )
Windows Mobile 6.1 to be released on 1 April
(I Read Bink.nu daily so thats where I got the news from, Bink is truly the most credible MS news man in all of the Land)
Pocket-lint has learnt from sources close to the matter that Microsoft will announce the much-rumoured refresh to its mobile phone operating system, Windows Mobile, on 1 April 2008.
An improvement over Windows Mobile 6 released in February 2007 the new version, unsurprisingly named 6.1, will be a stop-gap measure to keep both consumers and industry happy until the launch of Windows Mobile 7.
Leaked screenshots of 6.1 have already done the rounds in the blogosphere, and show the system has been simplified with the screens displaying less mess than the Vista-inspired version 6.
Source: Bink.nu
1 April.
Hmmmmm.
Not to sound cynical but.........1 April.......
I am an ADMIN and I handle frontpage news at theHotfix.net so I do my research i have my sources and OBVIOUSLY I use other news sources, this seems legit, its NOT offical from MS, but a credible source from within MS says thats the date, I dunno, I posted it on my SITE
Hmm. So what do they know about the hard reset issue that nobody else does? April 1?
April 1st release date. Could be a foolish day!!
nicknowsky said:
Windows Mobile 6.1 to be released on 1 April
(I Read Bink.nu daily so thats where I got the news from, Bink is truly the most credible MS news man in all of the Land)
Pocket-lint has learnt from sources close to the matter that Microsoft will announce the much-rumoured refresh to its mobile phone operating system, Windows Mobile, on 1 April 2008.
An improvement over Windows Mobile 6 released in February 2007 the new version, unsurprisingly named 6.1, will be a stop-gap measure to keep both consumers and industry happy until the launch of Windows Mobile 7.
Leaked screenshots of 6.1 have already done the rounds in the blogosphere, and show the system has been simplified with the screens displaying less mess than the Vista-inspired version 6.
Source: Bink.nu
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Yeap, but it is the Smartphone edition.. doesn't work for us yet...
I read about it two days ago. I think the article was on www.forteplace.com or something like that.
THE Original SOURCE that Bink used as his news source was POCKET LINT
here is the article http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/13612/14636/windows-mobile-61-coming-april.phtml
Fallen Spartan said:
April 1st release date. Could be a foolish day!!
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ha ha i didnt think about that, you're quick on draw Spartan
Moto Q9 running it here. I see 6.1's already been integrated into a Hermes rom?
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Moto Q9 running it here. I see 6.1's already been integrated into a Hermes rom?
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Yeah, I'm a bit confused by this "news". I've been running 6.1 for a while now (thanks to this forum), but for a while now if you bought a tytn2 from orange it'd come with 6.1. So in what way was it not already released a while back?
raburton said:
..... for a while now if you bought a tytn2 from orange it'd come with 6.1.
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thats not true, all the tytn2 6.1 version are from leak roms.....there is no "official" 6.1 release yet,. but then again, if we really cared about official, we wont be here in xda devs would we
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thats not true, all the tytn2 6.1 version are from leak roms.....there is no "official" 6.1 release yet
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It is true, please don't call me a liar just because you haven't seen what I'm talking about. Maybe Orange are shipping leaked ROMs on their phones, or maybe they are a leak themselves. My brother has one, purchased direct from orange as an upgrade over a month ago, that came with 6.1 on it.
WM6.1 > HTC Hermes100/AT&T8525
Considering how bad my HTC/AT&T experience has been, I may bail out before HTC makes WM6.1 available for the AT&T 8525.
It took them nine months to come out with WM6 for my device.
LouMessina said:
Considering how bad my HTC/AT&T experience has been, I may bail out before HTC makes WM6.1 available for the AT&T 8525.
It took them nine months to come out with WM6 for my device.
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I'm a loyal AT&T/Cingular user for years, but im just getting into the PDA section of AT&T so far I like my 8525, but my fav thing is the WiFi, that all I need and use, aside from the occasional phone cal, I just took advantage of a near NEW 8525 for $100 on craigslist last weekend
I don't know why anyone is interested in the official WM6.1. I've had cooked versions of this for months. Same thing happened when WM6.0 was officially released. I tried it out and it was crap compared to the cooked versions.
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I don't know why anyone is interested in the official WM6.1. I've had cooked versions of this for months. Same thing happened when WM6.0 was officially released. I tried it out and it was crap compared to the cooked versions.
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So why not share one that doesn't hard reset every 5 minutes?
Currently using Schaps WM6.1 Beta which doesn't hard reset every 5 mins, and chances are Official release will require a lot of reseting anyhow
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I see 6.1's already been integrated into a Hermes rom?
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No it hasn't.
Fallen Spartan said:
I don't know why anyone is interested in the official WM6.1. I've had cooked versions of this for months. Same thing happened when WM6.0 was officially released. I tried it out and it was crap compared to the cooked versions.
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Some of us see so many different versions out there and aren't sure which one to use.
I find my official 6.0 adequate, I'm not even sure what I'd look for in a 6.1.
I'd also want it to be completely stable.
Every spec I look at for the T-Mobile TP2 it says it will have WM6.5 when it drops is that true? I looked at the spec for the other carriers for TP2 and they all say 6.1.
Just need someone who knows these things well to confirm because I read WM6.5 doesn't drop until this fall to around christmas time.
Thanks!
Someone has to know something!
It is WM6.5 Ready...
Most likely you will have to Buy the OS at additional cost.
The good old Orange day's where they did know what service was are over and done since T-Moblie acquired Orange.
But with a HardSPL (hopefully soon) who cares, just flash any ROM you like.
Why do I have to buy the OS if it comes with it?
It will launch (Aug 12th) with 6.1, but once MS releases 6.5 you will be able to upgrade to 6.5. What is unknown is whether T-mo will provide that update or if we are going to have to get the update from HTC. I highly doubt we will have to pay for it either. Kinda like when tmo provided an update to win mo 6.1. it was free.
T-Mobile Netherlands will provide the WM6.5 upgrade for free. It says so in my contract and manual. Too bad T-Mo is always way behind when HTC provides upgrades. On the other hand... i'm not welcoming 6.5 with open arms. I rather have a speedy 6.1 ROM for my Rhodium. 6.5 or HardSPL... i go for the latter.
Alright thanks for clearing that up. But I rather have WM6.5!!!
Question!
WindowsPhone is WM6.5 or WM7? Is their even a 7?
There is no WM7 yet, but there supposed to be one sometime in 2010!
Is their a release date for the official WM6.5? I saw a video on WM 6.5 where the guy said it will be released around Christmas time.
The guy was doing a demo on what looks like the final version of WM6.5 with the HTC Diamond 2 I think it was. Anyone seen that video? (He had his legs crossed through out the whole video with blue jeans.) Lol
I'm at work and I'm restricted to certain sites so youtube is a no no.
I have the tp2 for tmobile i would like to know if i can get the official upgrade to 6.5. i know that tmobile doesnt plan on releasing an update anytime soon. so i would like to upgrade maybe to the officail uropean version. if anyone could please provide me a link
thank you
you will need to wait until HTC actually releases their ROM....
spoke to T-Mo USA Tech Support, Thy promise 6.5 upgrade by the end of the year. (I hope)
so much over the excitement of 6.5 being released today
Is there a 6.5 rom from xda that will work with tmobile tp2 with touchflow 3d and the weather icon on the flip clock and not lose my 3g, text, or mms and also not have buggs
Lol I feel like I'm asking for too much
Direct link if possible please......
I think it's only good it takes a while longer. maybe we can have some of the touchflow 3d 2.5 abilities extra when the update comes out. Besides the weather.
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so much over the excitement of 6.5 being released today
Is there a 6.5 rom from xda that will work with tmobile tp2 with touchflow 3d and the weather icon on the flip clock and not lose my 3g, text, or mms and also not have buggs
Lol I feel like I'm asking for too much
Direct link if possible please......
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virain said:
spoke to T-Mo USA Tech Support, Thy promise 6.5 upgrade by the end of the year. (I hope)
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ha...remember Tmobile also said that the TP2 was $279.99...then a couple days later they change their minds to $349.99, And they wouldn't even budge for loyal customerssssssss.
Status on Microsoft Web Site for 6.5 update
This URL clearly identifies the Touch Pro 2 as a phone eligible for the 6.5 update but no date available as of yet:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/meet/wm65-upgrade.mspx#phoneList
Yea that list states the tp2 european version is eligible for an update but the tmobile touch pro 2 gets its own update from tmobile and so will other carriers according to the rep I spoke with from the htc hotline I really think that the european version update will come out 1st on the htc website before anyone else
Tmobile has absolutely no info about where they stand on the winmo 6.5 update. So if anyone on the phone says it will happen they are just taking a guess. Tmobile has allowed updates before with devices like the dash but they have really ignored their winmo customers this time around since they are trying to push forward with android. The last minute price change on the TP2, the lack of training for the device, and overall confusion around the product has really screwed up what would have been a good launch. Now that we have the marketplace this is completely going to change what we can do and it will in time compete with android and apple. Also I have talked to tech support many times and I am an internal employee and I am pretty disgusted with how they are dealing with customers who have bought their most expensive device. On a positive note I am very impressed with XDA developers and hope to see the official release so I can finally get the update this device deserves.
Tmobile has absolutely no info about where they stand on the winmo 6.5 update. So if anyone on the phone says it will happen they are just taking a guess. Tmobile has allowed updates before with devices like the dash but they have really ignored their winmo customers this time around since they are trying to push forward with android. The last minute price change on the TP2, the lack of training for the device, and overall confusion around the product has really screwed up what would have been a good launch. Now that we have the marketplace this is completely going to change what we can do and it will in time compete with android and apple. Also I have talked to tech support many times and I am an internal employee and I am pretty disgusted with how they are dealing with customers who have bought their most expensive device. On a positive note I am very impressed with XDA developers and hope to see the official release so I can finally get the update this device deserves.
the german t-mobile site has the 6.5 update out already. installed it yesterday...
So this update should work on tmobile tp2 usa? And can you provide the link
well i doubt it works in the US and I doubt you would want a german language version hu?
The Update for the german "MDA Vario V" (which is the TP2) is here:
http://www.t-mobile.de/fremdcontent/1,2790,131619,00.html
.... does anyone know if the htc skin in the official 6.5 upgrade will be the same as the sense interface that the HD2 has... with the panoramic kinda view in the pictures tab and all!!?
Well you can change the language but your probably right it probay won't work here