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Having just purchased the XDA2s and had a go at operating it today, there are a few querys that i would like answering please.
1) How do you disconnect from the GPRS internet, always seems connected, is this costing me when connected dont want a massive bill ?
2) Is the Spb GPRS Monitor installed on the device or will I need to install it with the disc provided ?
3) Signed up to a Data only tariff 36Mb a month, how much internet usage does this allow for general browsing?
I know they may seem easy questions but been a new user of the XDA I would be very greatful if they could be answered.
Thanking you Bandari
To force a disconnect with GPRS, hold down the End key at the Today screen.
Spb GPRS Monitor is a good program to have, but I have unlimited GPRS for $19.99/month with Cingular here in the US, so I don't care how much I use. :wink:
Just happened to check last month's bill and it showed that I downloaded 110MB.
Thanks
How much Data usage do you use to total 110MB, just as a rough estimate (is it a few hours browsing a day)
Disconnecting GPRS
To disconnect hold down the red phone buton for 3 seconds or better still download GB Soft Tweak fron here. http://www.gb-soft.cz/xdaii/product_gprs_tweak_en.htm A disconnect option appears when you tap connections.
Thanks Rick
Will try the download, obviously the XDA has been connected whilst I have been unable to disconnect, will I have been charged for this?
Also cant find the GPRS settings in my programs what are they under, do I need to download them?
A good way to limit the MBs consumption is to not display the images while browsing.
You can stay connected as long as you want, I believe. You will not use much megas just for being connected.
As an example, I use MSN messenger instead of SMS as much as I can. The cost of an SMS is huge compared to the cost of an Instant message of the same amount of characters...
My two cents.
thanks for that
any idea where the Spb GPRS Monitor is on the device, do I have to connect to the USB port and transfer from the disc?
also at present cant make or recieve calls only got the XDA yesterday but, must be connected because Internet is working but no calls, I dial the number then it cuts off after 2-3 seconds?
Any ideas ???????
Not sure what you mean about the GPRS settings. If you haven't yet configured GPRS access then it's START/SETTINGS/CONNECTIONS TAB/CONNECTIONS ICON/MANAGE EXISTING CONNECTIONS/NEW enter a name (any name), select a modem Cellular Line (GPRS), Access Point name is provided by your phone company ("internet" for Vodafone), User Name "web" (again for Vodafone), password "web" (Vodafone) click finish. You can also access connections by tapping the signal strength icon on top left of screen.
Not sure about cost but sounds like you've set your account for a specific ammount of download. You don't in the case anything for being connected - only for downloading pages.
Don't know my left from right - the icon is top right, not left - next to speaker icon.
Bandari said:
Having just purchased the XDA2s and had a go at operating it today, there are a few querys that i would like answering please.
1) How do you disconnect from the GPRS internet, always seems connected, is this costing me when connected dont want a massive bill ?
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I called up O2 about this very thing when I got mine. I couldn't get the thing disconnetced from GPRS without turning on Flight Mode! Holding down the red telephone button used to disconnect it but it would immediately come up with the "Connecting" box once again. I had to hit cancel several times before it got the message to stop connecting!
O2 said that the phone can stay connected to GPRS and you will not be charged unless you are transferring data by browsing the web or whatever.
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG ! ****, I HATE ROGERS !!!!
352 $ DATA CHARGES ON MY ACCOUNT...!
i swear i'm so ****in pissed at this point...i have the new HTC s621 and all these days the internet i've been using is ROGERS DATA, and i thought it was wi-fi - i always connected to wi-fi....guys, if it does say it's connecting to wi-fi and if it can't connect - it connects to the rogers data network without you knowing :S - that's ****ing ********. CALL ROGERS NOW AND TELL THEM YOU DIDN'T KNOW, YOU WERE UNAWARE, AND YOUR VERY DISAPPOINTED AND FRUSTRATED.A
i swear, you have no idea how pissed off i am...this is a ripoff - all these days i was connecting to free wi-fi points but guess what? that's not "FREE" it's rogers internet all this time :S - atleast some kinda notification or warning would be good. i swear, such a bunch of liars...i spoke to this girl in the data dept. and she said i can't do anything as of now because your bill's not registered yet. she blocked the internet access, though so that in future i don't get charged but they should have warned me before, i had no clue - i was going through the posts when i saw someone post a link about how somone got 1600 $ charges. anyway, i'm gonna call back the moment my bill comes...
rogers is LYING TO THEIR CUSTOMERS, OVERCHARGING CUSTOMERS, MAKING FALSE PROMISES AS WELL AS NOT PROVIDING ANY VITAL INFORMATION...i'm sick and tired of this ********. everything with them is getting messed....guys, please be AWARE if any of you have SMART PHONES OR BLACK BERRY'S - be careful, especially if you have wi-fi, you might want to get rogers data serviced blocked.
p.s: WHY SHOULD ANYONE PAY FOR SOMETHING THEY AREN'T EVEN AWARE OF? honestly speaking, rogers defaulted the GPRS?EDGE option on the s621 so it connects to rogers internet without your permission - that's just WRONG on every level - that's like tresspassing onto someone's property and getting charged for it while you thought your on a public property....seriously, think about it guys - i'm waiting for my bill to come so i can get them to credit me that charge, i ain't paying a penny - otherwise i'll cancel everything with them.
i hope you can get the charges removed if you didnt know you were being charged. the real problem is that you do not know how to use your phone. i have had several versions of the phone you are using, as well as several others that have similar capabilities and i have yet to have this kind of a problem. read your manual and learn what the indicators mean that run accross the top of your screen. it will show you when you are attached to a wifi network and when you are connecting to a wifi network. if you are surfing the net without a wifi network these icons will not be present. there is also a speed difference in downloading info. learn to protect yourself, bro.
i am not pro rogers, either. i spent 55min on the phone with them last night trying to adjust my plan and it should only have been a 15 min conversation. i am aware of how difficult they can be to deal with but the problem you are having is not really their fault
You should familiarize yourself with the device, and how to tell when it's connected to WiFi. For one thing, if it's not WiFi, it's a heck of a lot slower than when it is. For another, your homescreen shows when you're connected to an access point, as does the iconbar up top.
its annoying there is no way to disable gprs and keep the settings stored. most of the time I delete the gprs settings then if i ever want to use it i just add the account in. I'm on vodafone so its simply internet for the ap and web/web user pass. Pretty easy to type in when ever you need to. Basically if you see the 2 arrows where the signal icon usually is, you will be being billed.
I have to agree... I mean you should easily notice the difference between wifi and grps...
i have to admit - i just bought this phone on the weekend and i got a basic data plan ($15CDN) through Rogers for the times I will not have wi-fi access. So I am sitting at work conncted to WiFi (there are 4 valid hotspots in my office ) - I am conncted to one (I know because it says so) HOWEVER, the E is still displayed over the signal strength indicator telling me that EDGE is in use even though I am connected to a Wi-Fi...I am so confused. So I went to the Rogers site to try and check my usage but no joy there as there was no information ... even my phone upgrade charge has not yet appeared...can someone a little more knowledgeable on this unit please confirm whats happening either way? I mean - even if you are connected to WiFi will E appear since technically it is available - however not being used since it should be over-ridden by the availability of WiFi?
You should call Rogers...
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i have to admit - i just bought this phone on the weekend and i got a basic data plan ($15CDN) through Rogers for the times I will not have wi-fi access. So I am sitting at work conncted to WiFi (there are 4 valid hotspots in my office ) - I am conncted to one (I know because it says so) HOWEVER, the E is still displayed over the signal strength indicator telling me that EDGE is in use even though I am connected to a Wi-Fi...I am so confused. So I went to the Rogers site to try and check my usage but no joy there as there was no information ... even my phone upgrade charge has not yet appeared...can someone a little more knowledgeable on this unit please confirm whats happening either way? I mean - even if you are connected to WiFi will E appear since technically it is available - however not being used since it should be over-ridden by the availability of WiFi?
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Ok if you see the little E logo over the signal that doesn't always mean your using GPRS because if I send a picture message it will stay on all day and night but it doesn't use it.
Easy way to find out is to just go into your comm manager and look for the data transfer... if its "lit up" then it's on, all you have to do is click it to turn it off manually.
Rogers is not to blame, but rather HTC. I have the same issue with my Titan/Mogul on Telus. Even if you shut down your EVDO/EDGE connection through Comm Manager, it will reconnect. There should be an option to set priority to WiFi when a hotspot connection is established, but there isn't and that's an awful feature.
I'm around a WiFi connection most of the time so the solution to this is to delete the wireless profile. Fortunately Telus doesn't require user names and passwords to connect so it's just a matter of having it dial #777 to establish a connection when needed.
Its a shame dude. I have a 200 meg plan so I am covered for data.
BUT I still use a GPRS data tracker to keep an eye on hwo much data I use. A well spent $US7.95 - dont try using a pirated version of these, as the DASH/S620/S621 uses a different .DLL than that is supplied in the pirate version. Just pay the $$ to save some $$
I use this for added assurance:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/gprsmonitor/?en
Spb GPRS Monitor
Spb GPRS Monitor is a complete solution for measuring the amounts of data transfers via your GPRS, CDMA or GSM network connection and calculating network usage costs. Spb GPRS Monitor monitors all data transfers you perform and calculates the cost of your GPRS usage taking into account your service plan details: inclusive data amount, data block size. etc.
# Taskbar icon that shows GPRS connection speed and other indicators
# Pop-up window that shows all GPRS information
# Warning notifications on daily/monthly traffic limits
# Detailed connection usage and cost charts
# Detailed text reports of your connection usage and cost
# Export to CSV for use with Microsoft® Excel and Access
# 440+ pre-defined service plans
# Today plug-in that shows GPRS speed and other statistics
# Skin format interface
Oh man this site is the best. There is a tool in this thread that allows you to toggle your provider's data connection on/off and contrary to HTC's Conn Manager, it keeps it off
Working like a charm on my Mogul !
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I use this for added assurance:
http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/gprsmonitor/?en
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This is for Pocket PCs. They have a special Smartphone version but that does not run properly on WM5 on my S620: I can not make any changes in the preferences because there is no "OK/done etc" button to press once I've chosen new settings.
Rogers is owned, run and supported by a bunch of idiots. Anyway I got one of those bills once and now everything else than voice is blocked. Goddamned retards!
But since we're in Canada, that's still the best available option.
BTW It took me over a month to get a TyTN from them. They lost packages, orders, didn't know who I was, kept me on the phone for hours and much more. It's not over yet, since we're not sure if we are going to pay the right price.
when i had my treo 680 my friend opened yahoo sports on my pda (auto refreshes) and i didnt know he did that. i never knew internet was open so i didnt bother with it. got a 300$ phone bill cuz for internet. they were nice enough to wave it off. just call them and be really nice and polite. i dont see why they wont do the same for u.
i canceled data on my account so its not possible to anyone to use data on it anymore thank god
Rogers
I got the same problem as you but i did not pay anthing when i told them thats was by mistake and you can disactivate Rogers data dawnload without any problems to be more sure in the future.
I disabled my GPRS on my s621 by going to the connections and changing the settings for that account (I removed the m form internet.com so it says internet.co). This way if I loose my wifi it cant switch to GPRS. If I absolutely need GPRS I just go and change it back. You can test it by stopping wifi and opening IE and trying to connect to a site. You should get an error message.
As for the original post on this thread:
defaulting the grps/edge option on the S621 is like trespassing? I don't think so. You're buying a windows smartphone and the whole point is to use data on the device - why wouldn't they have that option programmed in and turned on? Everyone would complain that they can't use data on a phone that they purchased specifically for that purpose - gimme a break. I know the phone has wifi, but its of course going to have the means to connect to the cell phone network for data usage as well, use your brain a little.
Anyways, I do agree that there should be a better indicator or a pop-up of some sort that comes up when wifi drops out and gprs/edge kicks in - but it should be user beware either way when it comes to data charges.
Easiest and best solution is yeah, delete out the profile or block it from the provider side. It sucks though if you really need to use data on the cell network for an emergency and you have to redo the settings.
lukybandit said:
OMGGGGGGGGGGGGG ! ****, I HATE ROGERS !!!!
352 $ DATA CHARGES ON MY ACCOUNT...!
i swear i'm so ****in pissed at this point...i have the new HTC s621 and all these days the internet i've been using is ROGERS DATA, and i thought it was wi-fi - i always connected to wi-fi....guys, if it does say it's connecting to wi-fi and if it can't connect - it connects to the rogers data network without you knowing :S - that's ****ing ********. CALL ROGERS NOW AND TELL THEM YOU DIDN'T KNOW, YOU WERE UNAWARE, AND YOUR VERY DISAPPOINTED AND FRUSTRATED.A
i swear, you have no idea how pissed off i am...this is a ripoff - all these days i was connecting to free wi-fi points but guess what? that's not "FREE" it's rogers internet all this time :S - atleast some kinda notification or warning would be good. i swear, such a bunch of liars...i spoke to this girl in the data dept. and she said i can't do anything as of now because your bill's not registered yet. she blocked the internet access, though so that in future i don't get charged but they should have warned me before, i had no clue - i was going through the posts when i saw someone post a link about how somone got 1600 $ charges. anyway, i'm gonna call back the moment my bill comes...
rogers is LYING TO THEIR CUSTOMERS, OVERCHARGING CUSTOMERS, MAKING FALSE PROMISES AS WELL AS NOT PROVIDING ANY VITAL INFORMATION...i'm sick and tired of this ********. everything with them is getting messed....guys, please be AWARE if any of you have SMART PHONES OR BLACK BERRY'S - be careful, especially if you have wi-fi, you might want to get rogers data serviced blocked.
p.s: WHY SHOULD ANYONE PAY FOR SOMETHING THEY AREN'T EVEN AWARE OF? honestly speaking, rogers defaulted the GPRS?EDGE option on the s621 so it connects to rogers internet without your permission - that's just WRONG on every level - that's like tresspassing onto someone's property and getting charged for it while you thought your on a public property....seriously, think about it guys - i'm waiting for my bill to come so i can get them to credit me that charge, i ain't paying a penny - otherwise i'll cancel everything with them.
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lol, it's always funny when people like to blame everyone but themselves for their own ignorance.
Rogers did not program the software, HTC did.
Rogers did NOT tell you not to read your manual did they?
Your phone tells you what type of connection you are using you just need to know how to use your phone.
If you call up Rogers and tell them you thought you were using WiFi and ask NICELY (Don't go off half cocked like you did above) they Will remove the charges.
enroh said:
i have to admit - i just bought this phone on the weekend and i got a basic data plan ($15CDN) through Rogers for the times I will not have wi-fi access. So I am sitting at work conncted to WiFi (there are 4 valid hotspots in my office ) - I am conncted to one (I know because it says so) HOWEVER, the E is still displayed over the signal strength indicator telling me that EDGE is in use even though I am connected to a Wi-Fi...I am so confused. So I went to the Rogers site to try and check my usage but no joy there as there was no information ... even my phone upgrade charge has not yet appeared...can someone a little more knowledgeable on this unit please confirm whats happening either way? I mean - even if you are connected to WiFi will E appear since technically it is available - however not being used since it should be over-ridden by the availability of WiFi?
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You were not properly informed of data plans. You should cancel your $15 / 1.5MB data plan and get the $10 / 10MB mobile internet plan instead. Plus you get 33% off of a mobile internet plan, but not a data plan, if you have and value pack (ie, call display & voicemail) so it would actually only be $6.67
I'm using T-Mobile HTC Touch Pro 2 on AT&T network and cant receive calls when I'm on data network (read browsing, facebook app, slacker radio app).
I'm on AT&T EDGE. Is there anything that can be done to avoid this? Thanks.
blueguy19 said:
I'm using T-Mobile HTC Touch Pro 2 on AT&T network and cant receive calls when I'm on data network (read browsing, facebook app, slacker radio app).
I'm on AT&T EDGE. Is there anything that can be done to avoid this? Thanks.
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The problem is that when you're using your T-mobile phone on the AT&T network, your data connection is through EDGE, not 3G...and one of the drawbacks to EDGE is that you can't have an active data connection at the same time as an active phone call.
It's a hardware restriction, caused by the different 3G bands AT&T and T-mobile use. Your only real solution would be to get an AT&T-branded phone so you can use their 3G bands, or start using t-mobile's network with your TP2 so you can use their 3G.
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The problem is that when you're using your T-mobile phone on the AT&T network, your data connection is through EDGE, not 3G...and one of the drawbacks to EDGE is that you can't have an active data connection at the same time as an active phone call.
It's a hardware restriction, caused by the different 3G bands AT&T and T-mobile use. Your only real solution would be to get an AT&T-branded phone so you can use their 3G bands, or start using t-mobile's network with your TP2 so you can use their 3G.
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Agreed that you can't do both at the same time, but it sounds like the phone should still automatically suspend the data session to take the phone call. Sounds like an application is forcing the data connection to stay active, what programs do you have installed?
Toleraen said:
Agreed that you can't do both at the same time, but it sounds like the phone should still automatically suspend the data session to take the phone call. Sounds like an application is forcing the data connection to stay active, what programs do you have installed?
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I think it would be nice if it worked that way....but that's not how it's been for me. Maybe there's a registry setting that makes it one way or the other, but on the custom roms I've used it doesn't work the "nice" way. Calls go to voice mail if I'm actively accessing/transferring data (on an EDGE connection).
Are you saying that your TP2 actually does suspend the data session -- from personal experience? Or just that it should be that way?
MCbrian said:
I think it would be nice if it worked that way....but that's not how it's been for me. Maybe there's a registry setting that makes it one way or the other, but on the custom roms I've used it doesn't work the "nice" way. Calls go to voice mail if I'm actively accessing/transferring data (on an EDGE connection).
Are you saying that your TP2 actually does suspend the data session -- from personal experience? Or just that it should be that way?
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I can't say for sure on my TP2 as I've generally got 3G coverage everywhere I go. When I was using my 8525 I specifically remember being impressed the first time I was in the middle of a download and it recovered after taking a phone call, was definitely a custom ROM too. Probably was WinMo 6.0 at that time though.
When you are using data and recieve a call it should stop data and allow the call to go thru when you are using EDGE. Since you are using a none AT&T device they probably wont fix the issue unless you reproduce the issue with an AT&T device. Also i tested this on my TMO TP2 by loading a website and making a call to my TP2 at the same time and it stopped my data as the call came thru then when i ignored the call it continued to load the website.
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When you are using data and recieve a call it should stop data and allow the call to go thru when you are using EDGE. Since you are using a none AT&T device they probably wont fix the issue unless you reproduce the issue with an AT&T device. Also i tested this on my TMO TP2 by loading a website and making a call to my TP2 at the same time and it stopped my data as the call came thru then when i ignored the call it continued to load the website.
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It may depend on other factors then -- like maybe what rom you're running. After I posted above I tested this again -- to confirm what I posted, by starting the download of a very large file. I then called my phone from a landline and sure-enough the call went to VM after a few rings. So, maybe just a characteristic of my ROM, but it's definitely true for me on T-Mo USA (on EDGE). When I stopped the download my phone received calls just fine, so it's not a general receiving-calls issue.
Tomorrow when I'm at work -- and have a full-strength 3G connection -- I'll try it again to confirm that it does receive during 3G data. I've done that test before -- I've received calls with my laptop tethered to the TP2 on 3G and kept the data connection and received the call, but I haven't tried with the rom I'm currently running.
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When you are using data and recieve a call it should stop data and allow the call to go thru when you are using EDGE. Since you are using a none AT&T device they probably wont fix the issue unless you reproduce the issue with an AT&T device. Also i tested this on my TMO TP2 by loading a website and making a call to my TP2 at the same time and it stopped my data as the call came thru then when i ignored the call it continued to load the website.
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I experienced the same thing with my EDGE-only Wizard (8125) on AT&T...incoming calls would be routed straight to voicemail if I had an active data connection going. And, whenever I would try to make an outgoing call, I would get an error message telling me that I couldn't make the call until I closed the data connection.
We all agree that EDGE can't multi-task like that, so to speak...but I think the issue of prioritizing or not prioritizing voice over data is handled at the device level, and/or by carrier control, rather than as a function of what the network can/can't do. My guess at this point is that there might be a reg setting that controls giving calls default priority at all times, but I have no idea what/where it is
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but I think the issue of prioritizing or not prioritizing voice over data is handled at the device level, and/or by carrier control, rather than as a function of what the network can/can't do. My guess at this point is that there might be a reg setting that controls giving calls default priority at all times, but I have no idea what/where it is
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Yeah, that's what I was thinking....well, guessing really -- I don't know. But I know what my experiment showed. A registry setting could explain why it would work for some and not others. Or could a different radio-rom possibly make a difference?
I have no idea.
MCbrian said:
Yeah, that's what I was thinking....well, guessing really -- I don't know. But I know what my experiment showed. A registry setting could explain why it would work for some and not others. Or could a different radio-rom possibly make a difference?
I have no idea.
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Now that you mention it, my money is on the radio (don't know why I didn't think of that).
blueguy, what radio are you using? And for that matter, what ROM? ATT, Tmo, or...? I'll test it on mine just like MCbrian did, since I have a different radio (.14), once I recall how to force my toy into EDGE-only mode. so, tomorrow morning
EDIT: sik96teg, same question to you...what radio/ROM are you using?
right now im on 4.49.25.57(i believe this is the stock tmo 6.5) radio and i have tried a few other radios over the last few monthes(never really tested them but dont recall this issue). i use to be on an energy rom and now im on leo cell evo rom. Also when i did have this issue a long time ago i called tmobile and they stated at the time it was a known issue and it was suppose to be resolved in a few days and a few days later it started to work. I also made about 10 calls and only one of them didnt come thru to the phone. My home phone rang for about 30 secs then went to vm but no indicator on the device but that only occured 1 out of 10 tries.
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Tomorrow when I'm at work -- and have a full-strength 3G connection -- I'll try it again to confirm that it does receive during 3G data. I've done that test before -- I've received calls with my laptop tethered to the TP2 on 3G and kept the data connection and received the call, but I haven't tried with the rom I'm currently running.
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Just confirming what I thought: On a 3G data connection, data-transfer continues and the voice call is received simultaneously, as it should.
Thanks for your inputs and my answers
I'm using Tmobile ROM which upgraded me from WinMo 6.1 to WinMo 6.5. I'm not sure what was the radio on it. But I flashed it with Hard-SPL and then with 4.49.25.88 Radio.
Even then the issue still persists
I read somewhere it happens due to NOM1 and NOM2 kind of EDGE network. NOM1 has capabilities to suspend data connection and give preference to phone call, NOM2 doesnt support this behavior. It seems AT&T is using NOM2 in my area. I'm not sure though if this is causing the issue that I'm experiencing.
I called AT&T Technical Support and they said they see my phone as Unkown device and can' support it.
Please this is really annoying, any help is appreciated.
Same here, I am currently with the new official (ok better leaked) ROM and the Radio that was provided (the latest).
The point is that when I am on 3G i can receive both data and calls which is obvious. Now after reading this thread I noticed that when I am on standard GSM and someone calls me, they get notified that my phone is switched off.
What is weird is the fact that there should have been an option to state Call over Data or the opposite for that matter. I think my old Nokia N95 had a similar option.
So, yeah, is that a bug or a feature?
i'm just guessing...but, I believe the simultaneous data/call is a function of 3G .....EDGE is the bare-bones basic thing....
at least that's how they make it sound in the commercials
....i should have read the replies in the thread...
stormrain said:
when I am on standard GSM and someone calls me, they get notified that my phone is switched off.
What is weird is the fact that there should have been an option to state Call over Data or the opposite for that matter. I think my old Nokia N95 had a similar option.
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When I tested this (on EDGE) by calling my TP2 from landline it went to voicemail. Another time I was on EDGE and someone tried to call me and they had your experience: "Out of area/unreachable". And this was within 24 hours, on the same rom without changing any setting (at least, not on purpose).
I've never seen an option to set data/voice priority.
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I flashed Energy ROM with .88 radio, it did improve download speed. But still don't receive calls while using data.
Is there any other ROM which allows this?
The Rhodium isn't capable of simultaneous data and voice.
You should have a GPRS Class A phone, but that should have 2 antennas. (See link)
So only one of them is active, data OR voice.
But normally it should pause the data connections and give priority to the voice connection.
ronh said:
The Rhodium isn't capable of simultaneous data and voice.
You should have a GPRS Class A phone, but that should have 2 antennas. (See link)
So only one of them is active, data OR voice.
But normally it should pause the data connections and give priority to the voice connection.
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I believe it IS capable, if you are on 3G data. Not if you are EDGE / GPRS.
ronh said:
The Rhodium isn't capable of simultaneous data and voice.
You should have a GPRS Class A phone, but that should have 2 antennas. (See link)
So only one of them is active, data OR voice.
But normally it should pause the data connections and give priority to the voice connection.
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stevedebi said:
I believe it IS capable, if you are on 3G data. Not if you are EDGE / GPRS.
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Yes -- it absolutely is, as stevedebi states, on 3G. So the limitation on EDGE isn't the phone, really, it's the nature of EDGE/GPRS.
Just started using my Desire last night! Feeling good.
However...
Was just on a call, tried to use the Android Marketplace. Couldn't.
Got curious, and tried to use Google Maps mid call. Couldn't.
Tried to use the internet during the call. Couldn't.
Now, I'm on T-Mobile (UK) and have just come from a Nokia E71. With my E71 I could make a call and use Google Maps.
Am I missing something or is this bit of multitasking somehow not possible???
Please tell me I'm missing something!
Cleargrey said:
Just started using my Desire last night! Feeling good.
However...
Was just on a call, tried to use the Android Marketplace. Couldn't.
Got curious, and tried to use Google Maps mid call. Couldn't.
Tried to use the internet during the call. Couldn't.
Now, I'm on T-Mobile (UK) and have just come from a Nokia E71. With my E71 I could make a call and use Google Maps.
Am I missing something or is this bit of multitasking somehow not possible???
Please tell me I'm missing something!
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A lot of carriers don't currently support simultaneous data and voice. For example, I have Sprint and it has no support for this - very annoying.
AT&T is the only one I'm personally aware that supports both talking and using data at the same time.
If it doesn't work for you, you're out of luck with your carrier.
Archon810 said:
A lot of carriers don't currently support simultaneous data and voice. For example, I have Sprint and it has no support for this - very annoying.
AT&T is the only one I'm personally aware that supports both talking and using data at the same time.
If it doesn't work for you, you're out of luck with your carrier.
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Sprint is a CDMA network, and most CDMA networks don't currently support simultaneous voice and data.
Most GSM networks do support this when you have a 3G connection. The voice call is routed over 2G and the data over 3G. If your data connection drops down to GPRS or EDGE, you will lose data connectivity because most networks do not support simultaneous voice and data over 2G, though I'm told that they can be set up to do so, so I guess it's more down to bandwidth.
Regards,
Dave
I know that Sprint's CDMA has an issue with simultaneous data and voice. Which suck. And I know they are making good attempts to sort this out for the EVO, which is good.
But again, I've been doing this fine on my E71. The only thing I can think of, in relation to Dave's comments, is that for some reason, because the Desire can suck up more data, T-mobile have restricted it. Which would suprise me because, as Dave said, simultaneous voice and data is a feature of most GSM networks and has been for a while.
I have just tested that and it's true - the phone doesn't have simultaneous data and voice connection
Now normally I don't need that because if I talk, I talk and not browse the web, but even my freaking G1 could do both things at the same time. What the heck? It must be something HTC did.
One more reason to eagerly wait for root...
I don't see how this is a big deal. Why would you need to make a call AND browse the market place or look at maps etc? Surely it's something that can be done after the call even if it is receiving directions or whatever.
ephumuris said:
I don't see how this is a big deal. Why would you need to make a call AND browse the market place or look at maps etc? Surely it's something that can be done after the call even if it is receiving directions or whatever.
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It's a big deal because:
1. HTC (or T-Mobile) has obviously done something to disable it because Android with GSM should have such functionality;
2. Older Android phones and even some "dumbphones" have that functionality
3. No point in browsing market while talking, but what about looking up maps while talking? - That was even one of G1's selling points.
I have often been on a call and used the internet or searched Maps. So it's something that I am quite used to doing.
Though I thought I'd get an answer straight from the horses mouth and have emailed HTC support just now. I'm hoping they give me good news...
False alarm. This only happens on GPRS, which is normal. Simultaneous data and voice connection can only happen on 3G as explained in Android Forums.
and of course correctly explained by Dave in post #3 here.
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and of course correctly explained by Dave in post #3 here.
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Missed that. Sorry
ephumuris said:
I don't see how this is a big deal. Why would you need to make a call AND browse the market place or look at maps etc? Surely it's something that can be done after the call even if it is receiving directions or whatever.
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Kind of tired of explaining this one but here are the 2 use cases:
- you're talking with someone on the phone and they ask you for directions, look something up on the internet, see if you received their email, etc, etc
- and even more importantly, when my rooted phone acts as a WiFi access point with android-wifi-tether and someone calls me, my freaking Inet disappears until I'm off the phone. This is the more annoying of the 2 use cases.
Well, this was their reply:
"If you start the call being connected through 2G, then yes the internet will then work. But as soon as the signal goes over to 3G then the internet connection and usuage will be turned off.
When it comes to wifi, if you are in a call and you are connected to wifi, then you should be able to surf.
Hope this answers your questions.
Thank you for contacting HTC. "
I did get concerned for a second. I've just tried the wifi and call which worked. And I just tried a call again, with wifi turned off and it worked, even though it didn't work before.
I just hope it routes voice and data in a way that doesn't trip me up in the future. I.e. voice over 2G if I'm trying to access data.
So yes, false alarm.
And funnily enough I just now got a call from Carphonewarehouse asking me if I'm having a problem sending texts as some Desires do indeed have a software fault where they have no Service Centre number for messages. For once, I've skipped the faulty units!
Cheers guys. Sorry scare anyone.
lol.
Whoever it was at HTC got their 2G and 3G mixed up.
what they meant to say was if it goes down to 2G then it'll stop.
You'll be ok in general, as long as you have 3G signal wherever you are. If you've only got 2G, you'll have to hang up, find out and then call back!
the SMSC shouldn't be a problem though, just program it in manually. Not worth sending a phone back for unless it fails then as well.
Even if I'm on 3G/HSPA, when I call someone, as soon as the call is connected, my data connection disappears (only shows bars, no G, 3G, or H) and I can't browse the web or use maps while in-call :-/
ok, well that's not right. The bars should only disappear if you turn the mobile data off. it should not get turned off by a call. Even if i try it when in G, the bars stay showing, just no data comes till i hang up the call.
If the bars are disappearing, something else is going on.
It could be a local network issue. maybe it's an old transmitter that missed an update or something...?could possibly be a full tower.
I know that a few years ago, the towers would kick off data connections to allow more airtime for voice calls which have priority, but i don't know if that's still relevant on 3G.
This was a hot discussion back when the Hero came out as well.
In the end I think it comes down to the network of your carrier. Some people report they can internet and call at the same time. Others say when they are internetting on their phone, a call is directly forwarded to their voicemail etc.
I'm afraid it's a combination between how your carrier configures their network and on what connection you are on (3g, 2g etc).
Yeah it's false alarm no #2 -- must be a spotty 3G at my house. I went to the city centre and tried it there -- worked like a charm.
Though it's a bit weird as 3G speed is not bad at all at my house, but when I call, data connection goes off :-/
Maybe at the city center you got more cells in range than in your house. Means your carrier got more available bandwith
I think reception gets spotty. Sometimes voice and data works, sometimes it doesn't. At home in my bedroom I can get H connection, 20 meters away I can't.
I think the important thing is that the phone is capable. The rest is just pinning down exactly the situation that we want to avoid.
Hello, i'm a recent owner of a Motorola Defy+ and i'm having a kinda serious problem with my phone.
Since when i first started using it, it never stopped using data.
I have done almost everything i could to stop it from using data from my Carrier.
Basically, i turned Data OFF, 2nd plan data usage OFF, i switched from Automatic to 2G Only band.
On the Data Meter it doesn't show any traffic between the nights, but, how do i know that it keeps connecting to the internet?
On my desk the phone stay close to my speakers, and after each 15 minutes i hear that strong interference caused when it connects to the internet. It's not Cellular interference, it's data traffic, im sure about it.
My Carrier in Brazil is TIM. Data here is not a big problem, i pay only about US$ 0,10 for unlimited data usage, the day i use it. However, it's relevant that i have a fast wifi and i don't feel confortable being charged everyday by something i'm not using. I don't know why the phone is connecting to the internet since i didn't set any social network, like Facebook or Twitter, and didn't choose to sync e-mails or something like that.
Somebody please help me
I don't think thats data use. That sound is a usual sound any speakers that are not good isolated do. I put my Nokia1208 that does not have data or 3G near such speakers and once in 2 hours it interfers making sounds but i'm not receiving calls or messages. It's only communicating with the cell tower.
Its funny you say that it makes a different sound for data. If no data meter app shows use and no app updates, data is probably not working.
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I don't think thats data use. That sound is a usual sound any speakers that are not good isolated do. I put my Nokia1208 that does not have data or 3G near such speakers and once in 2 hours it interfers making sounds but i'm not receiving calls or messages. It's only communicating with the cell tower.
Its funny you say that it makes a different sound for data. If no data meter app shows use and no app updates, data is probably not working.
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Yes i know, its funny, but i'm pretty sure it quicky connects to the internet then 2 or 3 seconds later it leaves.
I don't know what is happening, but it is charging me everyday those US$0,10 which is the internet access tax.
Is there any application on Play Store that can block temporary the data traffic? Can you please name them?
I would like a flexible application that i can use to force the data traffic off then, when i want, enable it again.
Thanks in advance