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windows mobile 6.0 vs 6.1 - based upon vanilla roms

@all,
havin been away from this forum for quite some time i am back in business.... and hunting to find speed in my roms (not neglecting finesse and stability though)!
so i dug up all off (marks) roms from the depth of my computer again....and am one hell of surprised about the speed of vanilla 2.01 (wm6.0) .
so, what are the real benefits of wm6.1 ???
greetz

ive not noticed any significant difference, hell, if you did a door step challenge on me between the two id be guessing

thormdac said:
@all,
havin been away from this forum for quite some time i am back in business.... and hunting to find speed in my roms (not neglecting finesse and stability though)!
so i dug up all off (marks) roms from the depth of my computer again....and am one hell of surprised about the speed of vanilla 2.01 (wm6.0) .
so, what are the real benefits of wm6.1 ???
greetz
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The only thing is the threaded SMS which is really nice and PIE has a zoom feature. I put it on my wifes MDA and she loves the SMS. But I think it's like Windows Vista. It ain't really worth it to upgrade to it if you've got a stable system on XP. I'm sticking with 6.0 until my next device.
I'm still using Meschle's O2 Premium Plus. Fast, stable and just very capable. Man, he was a great chef!

Meschle's was by far the best. Every other rom is FULL of other stuff that the developer likes but really slows the device down. Running task manager you can see the processor usage for these other apps and it makes the device sluggish.
Ive listend to the arguments and feel teh cube on the 3300 is wayyyyy toooooo sllllooooowwww to use. Its not even any good to show off to your mates its that bad.
Meschle's 6.1 Vanilla 4.02 is my fav. Nice, fast and ultra stable. No reset in 3 months

dannyoneill said:
Meschle's was by far the best. Every other rom is FULL of other stuff that the developer likes but really slows the device down. Running task manager you can see the processor usage for these other apps and it makes the device sluggish.
Ive listend to the arguments and feel teh cube on the 3300 is wayyyyy toooooo sllllooooowwww to use. Its not even any good to show off to your mates its that bad.
Meschle's 6.1 Vanilla 4.02 is my fav. Nice, fast and ultra stable. No reset in 3 months
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Yea, that's why I always opt'd for the versions without the cube. Useless anyway. What a joke. And Meschle had a great approach to building his ROMS. Stabilty, speed, & functionality seemed to be the order of priority and I really appreciated that.
As a matter of fact, I just did a hard reset and set my phone up all over again without all the custom phone dialers, themes, weather icons, and today screen changes. The regular ROM dosen't look all that great but it's so fast now. It's amazing how much all those extra cosmetic programs can zap your speed and how much the junk is left from programs that didn't really get uninstalled when you uninstalled them. My phone's always been pretty stable but now it's faster and stable.

My Comparison of Sense 2.5 vs Sense 2.1

Let me state that I have tried in the last couple of days the various flavors of NRG's roms (Sense 2.1 vs 2.5), both 6.5 and 6.5.x, as well as Sergio's and some other roms.
After a number of people in various threads said that Sense 2.5 now runs almost as smoothly as Sense 2.1, I decided to give it a try for the first time in about 6-7 months.
NO WAY.
Anyone claiming that sense 2.5 runs as fast, smoothly or is as responsive as Sense 2.1 on a Rhodium is living in fantasy land. Its not even close. Its bitterly clear that Sense 2.5 is designed to run on 1ghz Snapdragon processors.
Is Sense 2.5 more visually appealing? ABSOLUTELY. For anyone who prefers 'eye candy' as their #1 requirement, I highly recommend you guys try NRG's Sense 2.5 ROM's. All the landscape issues of past months have pretty much been resolved, the icons, animations, etc look fantastic.
But its also a whole lot slower. Just switching between tabs causes lag, not to mention loading apps, emails, txt msgs, etc. It it horrific? No. But is it noticeably slower than Sense 2.1? Yea, for me it was without a doubt.
As for the the other Sense 2.5 ROM's... they all look great as well, both the 6.5 and 6.5.x versions. But in each and every instance, the phone was sluggish with some level of frequency.
I think its too bad that so many chefs are now cooking exclusively with Sense 2.5 ... our phones just cant handle the added resource requirements the way HD2's can.
So for now, I will continue to stick with Sense 2.1 rom's, always based on 6.5 since I hate the buttons at the bottom nonsense. But thats just me.

im with you buddy. I hate the buttons on the bottom stuff and all I wanted from sense 2.5 was the full screen. everything else is just a waste for daily use. To much lag from all the extra graphics.

Agree, 2.1 is the best for Rhodium as for performance!

depends on the build.

True. Me too, I was so tempted to flash the new eyecandy sense, but reading the threads, i've noticed only people that flash their phones 3 times a week (as a hobby or just for trying new stuff) are happy with it. I want more functionality, so I thought is not a good idea, now I see is not only me

I'm going to have to chime in and agree with you guys. I love the look and feel of 2.5, but it is too sluggish for me. I don't mean to dis the chef's here that spend a LOT of time so that we can have it, it's just that our processors aren't quite enough to handle the load. I've flashed just about every sense 2.5 here, and they are all quite slower than 2.1.
Oh, and I'm with you guys on the bottom buttons. IMO it just looks ugly, and seems unstable.

Yes, it's a little bit slower. But there has been a great speed improvement compared to the past. And I believe that the advantages still outweigh the disadvantages. I really don't want to go back to sense 2.1. Yes it's faster, but the way 2.5 looks and works is a great improvement.
And for the comparison between 6.5 and 6.5.X, if you like to have a small X button at the top then stick with 6.5. But if you like to use the phone without a stylus then the bottom buttons are really great. You can press the buttons faster so I think you just need to get used to it
For me 6.5.X with sense 2.5 is the best combo

2.1 all the way
the only difference i see in 2.5 is music tab but basically they're almost the same, 2.5 gives you less icon tab if you want more you have modified and that make it slower and them there's landscape for more they do to it its not perfect. common guy just add what you like from 2.5 to 2.1 and that would make a perfect rom.

2.5 has every tab redone to be more efficient. some builds even have the twitter client, document viewer, ebook reader, and foot prints. some builds, like the 2011 are made for this hardware and work really well. its up to what you like. and 2.1 will probably always be faster. but i like features. if you prefer 2.1, by all means use that instead. im not going to try and convert anybody to 2.5 like a mormon going door to door.

Like the above poster mentioned if your flashing often then I think that everything is snappy. I had so many crashing/freezing problems when 2.5 was cooked in. Everything disappeared when I flashed e2 att rom to my tilt 2 or if I used titanium. I love flashy stuff myself but at the end of the day I need something thats reliable. I want the device waiting on my input not the other way around.

and what about the official upgrade with sense 2.5 that tp2 got is it fast like on hd2 or still slow

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and what about the official upgrade with sense 2.5 that tp2 got is it fast like on hd2 or still slow
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I had high hopes when I heard about the official ROM with Sense 2.5...but it just wasn't meant to be. To me, it's slow.
Having gone back to stock WinMo 6.1 ROM, the performance was like night and day...

hoss_n2 said:
and what about the official upgrade with sense 2.5 that tp2 got is it fast like on hd2 or still slow
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Im very interested in that also. Aren't most of the 2.5 manila that installed in most roms from other devices thats tweak to use with tp2. I would give a look at any official rom. Im running official without bloat and havent had a single problem.

the official 2.5 is just sluggish. None of my performance tweaks seems to work. Thats all. Tried it for 4 days and didnt encounter any problem with it except for slow and buggy messaging app. The home screen is noticeably slower when you have the weather up and running.
Overall, i needed a great response from my device, so i revert back to the official 2.1

It surprises me that nobody mentioned that tf3d/sense is just eye-candy in the first place! If you want a fast and stable rom, go for one without it.
Myself, I haven't noticed any severe lag on sense 2.5. It is a bit slower at some times (messaging), but nothing that pushes me back to 2.1.
Just my 2 cents...

i want the today quick launch icons from 2.5 thats all

I have up dated to the new ROM and I really like it asthetically it's pleasing but, as others have said, 2.5 is sluggish on a few things which is slowly becoming annoying. This is notibly when using the hardware keyboard pressing FN and then SMS, very slow.
Not that keen on the SMS app, preferred 2.1's and the calendar has too much of a delay in the agenda view to show all day appointments. The 'built-in' facebook features also seem to be slower than before. I may well go back to 2.1, we'll see.
My 2pence worth.

First of all thanks a lot for making this post as i 'm new to all this and i 'm currently expirimenting with different roms and i couldn't miss the slugginess you all refer too. I had decided that i would put energy rom which looked cool but when talk became action i was kind of disappointed. +i hate the people tab from 2.5. I want to have 3 people in there not 9. why make me? So switched to 2.1 and from now on i will only be looking for roms with that.
Thanks again.

Try the simplicity ROM, its buttery smooth and fast. Energy looks great and has a ton of cooked-in features and apps, but not the fastest. Other fast, lightweight ROMs are Jackos and Valkyrie. Haven't tried those myself, but good comments by other users.
And don't forget, most ROMs take a while to "settle" right after you flash. Give it at least an hour before you start freaking out about lag and slowness.

gunner13 said:
First of all thanks a lot for making this post as i 'm new to all this and i 'm currently expirimenting with different roms and i couldn't miss the slugginess you all refer too. I had decided that i would put energy rom which looked cool but when talk became action i was kind of disappointed. +i hate the people tab from 2.5. I want to have 3 people in there not 9. why make me? So switched to 2.1 and from now on i will only be looking for roms with that.
Thanks again.
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Are you relying on the information in an eight month old thread? Sense works wonderfully on the Rhodium. It requires a bit more work than TF3D, but the rewards are well worth it. As far as the people tab goes, you could simply use CHT to put a few contacts in one of the side pages. There's also OCT to look into to overclock the CPU. Running at a constant 748.8MHz makes the entire ROM buttery smooth. I, like most users here find that the benefits far outweigh any negative effects that you might find in the UI. Yes, it requires a bit more tweaking, but it is by far a better one than TF3D.
If you must go for a TF3D ROM, Jackos has a really good one available that you might want to consider.

Sluggish

Tilt 2 with E2ROM just put the latest Android w/sense and it looks cool and nice features...but it runs horribly slow. I tried removing and doing it again still really, really slow response between apps, even the touch screen lags.

wpbear said:
Tilt 2 with E2ROM just put the latest Android w/sense and it looks cool and nice features...but it runs horribly slow. I tried removing and doing it again still really, really slow response between apps, even the touch screen lags.
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yeah, this is known already. it doesnt have much free ram left with the sense version. try the AOSP 2.1 build, alot more stable and faster. plus data and service wrks off the bat without setting it up. u can always customize it to look like the sense version. like i have done. if u were to look at my phone, ud think i had the sense version in there. u can always get new widgets, clocks., etc...

if they ever get this 100% and then flashable to ROM, it will be awesome seeing ATT offers crap for android

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if they ever get this 100% and then flashable to ROM, it will be awesome seeing ATT offers crap for android
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There are 5 ATT Android devices about to be released.

Any with full hardware keyboard, maybe I'll go to an ATT store? But, I already spent the money on the TP2 so would like the full port of android someday soon.

you know it Reeefer and in september, u know what im getting ..lol dat damn dell mini 5 streak 5 whatwva da hell its name is gotdammittt...lmfao a fine piece of machinery right there..........and runs android............damn....and a phone..damn...pc touchscreen capacitive screen dat kicks )(!!....damn......snap da mutha)(!!!n magic dragon processor.......im srry im trippin...lol...u already know da deal ;-)
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demandarin said:
yeah, this is known already. it doesnt have much free ram left with the sense version. try the AOSP 2.1 build, alot more stable and faster. plus data and service wrks off the bat without setting it up. u can always customize it to look like the sense version. like i have done. if u were to look at my phone, ud think i had the sense version in there. u can always get new widgets, clocks., etc...
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I feel the same way. AOSP is so much faster and more stable. I think it only caused me extra clicks and make the system running more sluggishly. Could someone please enlighten me how Sense is useful?

[Q] Cyanogen faster then Leedroid?

Hey, I am currently using Leedroid 3.0.5 with Sense. The other night my friend took out his Iphone 4. He then proceeded to show me a few games on it, which I had on my Desire. I noticed one thing, they ALL ran so much smoother and faster then on my desire. The Iphone 4's interface also seems more responsive then mine. (Not that mine is slow, but until I saw the Iphone 4 in action I never realized the difference)
It got me thinking that maybe the problem is the sense overlay on top of the original Gingerbread. If I remove sense by installing Cyanogen will this speed up my phone? Also, compared to my current Rom how does Cyanogen stack up?
Thanks for any opinions, helpful tips and flaming. See ya!

Yes. but oxygen is far quicker then cm7 and leedroid. Sense is nice but it slows your phone down. Get oxygen or cm7 and you will have an iphone beater

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Yes. but oxygen is far quicker then cm7 and leedroid. Sense is nice but it slows your phone down. Get oxygen or cm7 and you will have an iphone beater
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If you want fast sense, try reflex s. It's overclocked. Use setcpu to control battery usage.

Every time my mate digs out his iPhone, I just laugh at him.
And the word is "thAn" as in, "When my phone is faster THAN his, THEN I will be happy"... Since when did Yanks, even snap-frozen Yanks from the north, decide it was their God-given right to ruin the English language??
Sorry /rant.

777ace said:
Every time my mate digs out his iPhone, I just laugh at him.
And the word is "thAn" as in, "When my phone is faster THAN his, THEN I will be happy"... Since when did Yanks, even snap-frozen Yanks from the north, decide it was their God-given right to ruin the English language??
Sorry /rant.
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I saw "buyed" in another thread, but hey, as a friend insists, the purpose of language is to get the message across.

Joshua3109 said:
Hey, I am currently using Leedroid 3.0.5 with Sense. The other night my friend took out his Iphone 4. He then proceeded to show me a few games on it, which I had on my Desire. I noticed one thing, they ALL ran so much smoother and faster then on my desire. The Iphone 4's interface also seems more responsive then mine. (Not that mine is slow, but until I saw the Iphone 4 in action I never realized the difference)
It got me thinking that maybe the problem is the sense overlay on top of the original Gingerbread. If I remove sense by installing Cyanogen will this speed up my phone? Also, compared to my current Rom how does Cyanogen stack up?
Thanks for any opinions, helpful tips and flaming. See ya!
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Think of it like having a car (any of the AOSP based ROMS - CM, Oxygen, MIUI) then add a trailer (Sense). Naturally the car will go faster without the trailer
But at the end of the day, your experience is about more than speed - for some people appearance is important, or eye candy. Really nice to see the weather animation on a Sense 3 lockscreen.... try and do that with an iphone.
I guess what I'm saying that comparing just speed is kinda pointless.

I'd be more inclined to liken it to a stripped down Bugatti Veyron speedway racer, painted with matt black housepaint and scarily fast, compared with the same car coming of the factory floor with airconditioning, power steering etc. Still quick for a road car, but a lot more bells and whistles.
But I agree, it's not all about the speed. I've given the AOSP ROMs a run and yes, they are very snappy and responsive, but also quite bland (imo). I am happy to sacrifice a few nanoseconds of response time, and less battery time, in favour of all the pretty things that make up Sense.
And as I said above, when my mate digs out his iP4, I just laugh at him, cos his phone doesn't have half the features mine does...
Why not flash CM7 or Oxygen and give them a run for a few days? See how your mates brick compares...?

777ace said:
I'd be more inclined to liken it to a stripped down Bugatti Veyron speedway racer, painted with matt black housepaint and scarily fast, compared with the same car coming of the factory floor with airconditioning, power steering etc. Still quick for a road car, but a lot more bells and whistles.
But I agree, it's not all about the speed. I've given the AOSP ROMs a run and yes, they are very snappy and responsive, but also quite bland (imo). I am happy to sacrifice a few nanoseconds of response time, and less battery time, in favour of all the pretty things that make up Sense.
And as I said above, when my mate digs out his iP4, I just laugh at him, cos his phone doesn't have half the features mine does...
Why not flash CM7 or Oxygen and give them a run for a few days? See how your mates brick compares...?
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I would like to for a change of pace but the thing stopping me is my past experiences with flashing Leedroid alone. You see, I have Apps2SD+ and I have 18mb of free space left on my Desire, so I have a few apps.
I wouldn't want to give Cyanogen a test run if I had to spend hours putting everything back on my phone.
That is really my only problem, so here are a few questions.
1. Whats a good backup program so I can just reflash Leedroid back on once im done with Cyanogen? And how difficult is this to do?
2. About my apps being on the EXT 3 part of my sd card. Will I have to format my Sd card, remake the partitions and install all my apps again?
Any tips or suggestions related to or outside of what I asked would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a ton community!

1- Use "Nandroid" (in recovery); 2 click (or trackball presses, in our case) and done, same for restoring.
2- Cyanogen supports sd-ext in ext3 (install s2e from market), but I reccomend you to format your sd-ext after you do it app-backup with "Titanium Backup" (without any doubt, the best program for do app backups). you can restore the apps (with data) selectively after CM7 installs. (Be careful with "Sense apps" restoring in aosp -or you'll have to flash it again-)
I came from Leedroid, CM7 is much faster (but it haven't "Sense" xD)

777ace said:
Every time my mate digs out his iPhone, I just laugh at him.
And the word is "thAn" as in, "When my phone is faster THAN his, THEN I will be happy"... Since when did Yanks, even snap-frozen Yanks from the north, decide it was their God-given right to ruin the English language??
Sorry /rant.
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+1 for the English language
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timmaaa said:
+1 for the English language
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Yeah init

Back to Froyo

so I was kind of starting to lose hope with this phone. When I first got it I had fallen in love with it bit a year and a half later I found myself struggling to do basic things .... most games stuttered, the battery hardly lasted, the internet browsers were barely responsive, and the camera aweful. Google chrome is agony and for some reason it came with so many of the new roms ... ive used over 4 or 5 roms in the last few months and settled on the least horrible ice cold sandwich. it occured to me to go back ro the original phones configuration just for curiousity and I was shocked... I loaded up a backup of froyo and WOW... There must bed something I font understand because the phone ID a million times more responsive, loads faster, the screens are smooth, the browser, a luxury i hadnt used in months, was silky smooth and the CAMERA just beat the crap out of any other in any other rom ... I really want to stick with this ... theres absolutely nothing i miss from the old roms other than one thing. .. apps ... the playstore is empty note and i have a feeling that has to do with tree app developers not caterimg froyo... any1 have a way around this? ?

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so I was kind of starting to lose hope with this phone. When I first got it I had fallen in love with it bit a year and a half later I found myself struggling to do basic things .... most games stuttered, the battery hardly lasted, the internet browsers were barely responsive, and the camera aweful. Google chrome is agony and for some reason it came with so many of the new roms ... ive used over 4 or 5 roms in the last few months and settled on the least horrible ice cold sandwich. it occured to me to go back ro the original phones configuration just for curiousity and I was shocked... I loaded up a backup of froyo and WOW... There must bed something I font understand because the phone ID a million times more responsive, loads faster, the screens are smooth, the browser, a luxury i hadnt used in months, was silky smooth and the CAMERA just beat the crap out of any other in any other rom ... I really want to stick with this ... theres absolutely nothing i miss from the old roms other than one thing. .. apps ... the playstore is empty note and i have a feeling that has to do with tree app developers not caterimg froyo... any1 have a way around this? ?
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I was thinking this the other day - I have been going through ICS Sense ROMs but all of them were dragging their feet. The last Sense ROM I put on was a customised version of Sabsa Prime - it was usable but leagues apart from my wife's HTC One S. I remember Froyo being so much quicker... Anyway I put one of the unofficial CyanogenMod 10.1 ROMs on and I haven't looked back Its still not as quick as the One S but its massively more usable than the ICS Sense ROMs out there.
Andy

So you think i should go with a cm10 rom? Do you think the empty marketplace could just be a bad backup that caused the playstore not to recognize my phone or is it all lost for Froyo now?

1. This should probably go into Q&A section
2. You could try to flash gapps for froyo in recovery.

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1. This should probably go into Q&A section
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Reported to mods to move to Q&A. Please report things like this to mods; they can't read every thread.

oik01 said:
so I was kind of starting to lose hope with this phone. When I first got it I had fallen in love with it bit a year and a half later I found myself struggling to do basic things .... most games stuttered, the battery hardly lasted, the internet browsers were barely responsive, and the camera aweful. Google chrome is agony and for some reason it came with so many of the new roms ... ive used over 4 or 5 roms in the last few months and settled on the least horrible ice cold sandwich. it occured to me to go back ro the original phones configuration just for curiousity and I was shocked... I loaded up a backup of froyo and WOW... There must bed something I font understand because the phone ID a million times more responsive, loads faster, the screens are smooth, the browser, a luxury i hadnt used in months, was silky smooth and the CAMERA just beat the crap out of any other in any other rom ... I really want to stick with this ... theres absolutely nothing i miss from the old roms other than one thing. .. apps ... the playstore is empty note and i have a feeling that has to do with tree app developers not caterimg froyo... any1 have a way around this? ?
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Well as said before wrong section OP
as far as responsiveness goes you shud try aospx ics rom and cm 10.1
For sense blackout 3.2 (if you can live w/o wifi hotspot---which i think will be fixed in upcoming version)...i use it with desense mod its gr8
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Stock 3.12 ( gingerbread ) is good enough i think.
Blackout is great but failed in MMS functionality.