My Comparison of Sense 2.5 vs Sense 2.1 - Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General

Let me state that I have tried in the last couple of days the various flavors of NRG's roms (Sense 2.1 vs 2.5), both 6.5 and 6.5.x, as well as Sergio's and some other roms.
After a number of people in various threads said that Sense 2.5 now runs almost as smoothly as Sense 2.1, I decided to give it a try for the first time in about 6-7 months.
NO WAY.
Anyone claiming that sense 2.5 runs as fast, smoothly or is as responsive as Sense 2.1 on a Rhodium is living in fantasy land. Its not even close. Its bitterly clear that Sense 2.5 is designed to run on 1ghz Snapdragon processors.
Is Sense 2.5 more visually appealing? ABSOLUTELY. For anyone who prefers 'eye candy' as their #1 requirement, I highly recommend you guys try NRG's Sense 2.5 ROM's. All the landscape issues of past months have pretty much been resolved, the icons, animations, etc look fantastic.
But its also a whole lot slower. Just switching between tabs causes lag, not to mention loading apps, emails, txt msgs, etc. It it horrific? No. But is it noticeably slower than Sense 2.1? Yea, for me it was without a doubt.
As for the the other Sense 2.5 ROM's... they all look great as well, both the 6.5 and 6.5.x versions. But in each and every instance, the phone was sluggish with some level of frequency.
I think its too bad that so many chefs are now cooking exclusively with Sense 2.5 ... our phones just cant handle the added resource requirements the way HD2's can.
So for now, I will continue to stick with Sense 2.1 rom's, always based on 6.5 since I hate the buttons at the bottom nonsense. But thats just me.

im with you buddy. I hate the buttons on the bottom stuff and all I wanted from sense 2.5 was the full screen. everything else is just a waste for daily use. To much lag from all the extra graphics.

Agree, 2.1 is the best for Rhodium as for performance!

depends on the build.

True. Me too, I was so tempted to flash the new eyecandy sense, but reading the threads, i've noticed only people that flash their phones 3 times a week (as a hobby or just for trying new stuff) are happy with it. I want more functionality, so I thought is not a good idea, now I see is not only me

I'm going to have to chime in and agree with you guys. I love the look and feel of 2.5, but it is too sluggish for me. I don't mean to dis the chef's here that spend a LOT of time so that we can have it, it's just that our processors aren't quite enough to handle the load. I've flashed just about every sense 2.5 here, and they are all quite slower than 2.1.
Oh, and I'm with you guys on the bottom buttons. IMO it just looks ugly, and seems unstable.

Yes, it's a little bit slower. But there has been a great speed improvement compared to the past. And I believe that the advantages still outweigh the disadvantages. I really don't want to go back to sense 2.1. Yes it's faster, but the way 2.5 looks and works is a great improvement.
And for the comparison between 6.5 and 6.5.X, if you like to have a small X button at the top then stick with 6.5. But if you like to use the phone without a stylus then the bottom buttons are really great. You can press the buttons faster so I think you just need to get used to it
For me 6.5.X with sense 2.5 is the best combo

2.1 all the way
the only difference i see in 2.5 is music tab but basically they're almost the same, 2.5 gives you less icon tab if you want more you have modified and that make it slower and them there's landscape for more they do to it its not perfect. common guy just add what you like from 2.5 to 2.1 and that would make a perfect rom.

2.5 has every tab redone to be more efficient. some builds even have the twitter client, document viewer, ebook reader, and foot prints. some builds, like the 2011 are made for this hardware and work really well. its up to what you like. and 2.1 will probably always be faster. but i like features. if you prefer 2.1, by all means use that instead. im not going to try and convert anybody to 2.5 like a mormon going door to door.

Like the above poster mentioned if your flashing often then I think that everything is snappy. I had so many crashing/freezing problems when 2.5 was cooked in. Everything disappeared when I flashed e2 att rom to my tilt 2 or if I used titanium. I love flashy stuff myself but at the end of the day I need something thats reliable. I want the device waiting on my input not the other way around.

and what about the official upgrade with sense 2.5 that tp2 got is it fast like on hd2 or still slow

hoss_n2 said:
and what about the official upgrade with sense 2.5 that tp2 got is it fast like on hd2 or still slow
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I had high hopes when I heard about the official ROM with Sense 2.5...but it just wasn't meant to be. To me, it's slow.
Having gone back to stock WinMo 6.1 ROM, the performance was like night and day...

hoss_n2 said:
and what about the official upgrade with sense 2.5 that tp2 got is it fast like on hd2 or still slow
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Im very interested in that also. Aren't most of the 2.5 manila that installed in most roms from other devices thats tweak to use with tp2. I would give a look at any official rom. Im running official without bloat and havent had a single problem.

the official 2.5 is just sluggish. None of my performance tweaks seems to work. Thats all. Tried it for 4 days and didnt encounter any problem with it except for slow and buggy messaging app. The home screen is noticeably slower when you have the weather up and running.
Overall, i needed a great response from my device, so i revert back to the official 2.1

It surprises me that nobody mentioned that tf3d/sense is just eye-candy in the first place! If you want a fast and stable rom, go for one without it.
Myself, I haven't noticed any severe lag on sense 2.5. It is a bit slower at some times (messaging), but nothing that pushes me back to 2.1.
Just my 2 cents...

i want the today quick launch icons from 2.5 thats all

I have up dated to the new ROM and I really like it asthetically it's pleasing but, as others have said, 2.5 is sluggish on a few things which is slowly becoming annoying. This is notibly when using the hardware keyboard pressing FN and then SMS, very slow.
Not that keen on the SMS app, preferred 2.1's and the calendar has too much of a delay in the agenda view to show all day appointments. The 'built-in' facebook features also seem to be slower than before. I may well go back to 2.1, we'll see.
My 2pence worth.

First of all thanks a lot for making this post as i 'm new to all this and i 'm currently expirimenting with different roms and i couldn't miss the slugginess you all refer too. I had decided that i would put energy rom which looked cool but when talk became action i was kind of disappointed. +i hate the people tab from 2.5. I want to have 3 people in there not 9. why make me? So switched to 2.1 and from now on i will only be looking for roms with that.
Thanks again.

Try the simplicity ROM, its buttery smooth and fast. Energy looks great and has a ton of cooked-in features and apps, but not the fastest. Other fast, lightweight ROMs are Jackos and Valkyrie. Haven't tried those myself, but good comments by other users.
And don't forget, most ROMs take a while to "settle" right after you flash. Give it at least an hour before you start freaking out about lag and slowness.

gunner13 said:
First of all thanks a lot for making this post as i 'm new to all this and i 'm currently expirimenting with different roms and i couldn't miss the slugginess you all refer too. I had decided that i would put energy rom which looked cool but when talk became action i was kind of disappointed. +i hate the people tab from 2.5. I want to have 3 people in there not 9. why make me? So switched to 2.1 and from now on i will only be looking for roms with that.
Thanks again.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Are you relying on the information in an eight month old thread? Sense works wonderfully on the Rhodium. It requires a bit more work than TF3D, but the rewards are well worth it. As far as the people tab goes, you could simply use CHT to put a few contacts in one of the side pages. There's also OCT to look into to overclock the CPU. Running at a constant 748.8MHz makes the entire ROM buttery smooth. I, like most users here find that the benefits far outweigh any negative effects that you might find in the UI. Yes, it requires a bit more tweaking, but it is by far a better one than TF3D.
If you must go for a TF3D ROM, Jackos has a really good one available that you might want to consider.

Related

windows mobile 6.0 vs 6.1 - based upon vanilla roms

@all,
havin been away from this forum for quite some time i am back in business.... and hunting to find speed in my roms (not neglecting finesse and stability though)!
so i dug up all off (marks) roms from the depth of my computer again....and am one hell of surprised about the speed of vanilla 2.01 (wm6.0) .
so, what are the real benefits of wm6.1 ???
greetz
ive not noticed any significant difference, hell, if you did a door step challenge on me between the two id be guessing
thormdac said:
@all,
havin been away from this forum for quite some time i am back in business.... and hunting to find speed in my roms (not neglecting finesse and stability though)!
so i dug up all off (marks) roms from the depth of my computer again....and am one hell of surprised about the speed of vanilla 2.01 (wm6.0) .
so, what are the real benefits of wm6.1 ???
greetz
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The only thing is the threaded SMS which is really nice and PIE has a zoom feature. I put it on my wifes MDA and she loves the SMS. But I think it's like Windows Vista. It ain't really worth it to upgrade to it if you've got a stable system on XP. I'm sticking with 6.0 until my next device.
I'm still using Meschle's O2 Premium Plus. Fast, stable and just very capable. Man, he was a great chef!
Meschle's was by far the best. Every other rom is FULL of other stuff that the developer likes but really slows the device down. Running task manager you can see the processor usage for these other apps and it makes the device sluggish.
Ive listend to the arguments and feel teh cube on the 3300 is wayyyyy toooooo sllllooooowwww to use. Its not even any good to show off to your mates its that bad.
Meschle's 6.1 Vanilla 4.02 is my fav. Nice, fast and ultra stable. No reset in 3 months
dannyoneill said:
Meschle's was by far the best. Every other rom is FULL of other stuff that the developer likes but really slows the device down. Running task manager you can see the processor usage for these other apps and it makes the device sluggish.
Ive listend to the arguments and feel teh cube on the 3300 is wayyyyy toooooo sllllooooowwww to use. Its not even any good to show off to your mates its that bad.
Meschle's 6.1 Vanilla 4.02 is my fav. Nice, fast and ultra stable. No reset in 3 months
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yea, that's why I always opt'd for the versions without the cube. Useless anyway. What a joke. And Meschle had a great approach to building his ROMS. Stabilty, speed, & functionality seemed to be the order of priority and I really appreciated that.
As a matter of fact, I just did a hard reset and set my phone up all over again without all the custom phone dialers, themes, weather icons, and today screen changes. The regular ROM dosen't look all that great but it's so fast now. It's amazing how much all those extra cosmetic programs can zap your speed and how much the junk is left from programs that didn't really get uninstalled when you uninstalled them. My phone's always been pretty stable but now it's faster and stable.

[Q] why dont people cook roms ?

ok so i just got the lg expo and i am coming from the htc hd2 and i must say i am very dissapointed that there are not more cooked roms for the expo. and to be honest im not really sure what exactly the dragon rom does? i got my expo already loaded with it and dont see anything different. i mean with the hd2 there were roms that looked nothing like stock and ran just amazing but there is nothing for the expo.....why? why dont we have cool roms? why?
burro breath said:
ok so i just got the lg expo and i am coming from the htc hd2 and i must say i am very dissapointed that there are not more cooked roms for the expo. and to be honest im not really sure what exactly the dragon rom does? i got my expo already loaded with it and dont see anything different. i mean with the hd2 there were roms that looked nothing like stock and ran just amazing but there is nothing for the expo.....why? why dont we have cool roms? why?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So you didn't run the stock rom at all?
Dragonstorm is a huge improvement and much more in line with what you'd expect from a new win mobile. LG's interface appealed to a few, but most were not fans. The stock rom was also an older build (with the start menu at the top).
If you visit lg-expo.com you can find a couple of sense based roms if that's more what you were looking for, but that's more htc-ish obviously and a few things aren't working quite right yet.
I think the quality of Dark's work is a large factor in the lack of other roms. It's got everything you need and you've got room to add whatever you want.
I also think theres a decent number of people are cooking "privately". I have reasons for not sharing any of my builds so far (time, apps I cooked, etc), but fear not, I do intend to eventually. In the meantime, I look forward to seeing your builds.
I too would like to see more choices in the expo rom section; But I do quite like darks rom.
But see what I don't understand is what is different? I never ran the stock rom but this dragon rom seriously feels stock to me. I mean the hd2 stock rom was better then this. I'm NOT saying it's a poor quality rom and I do want to be clear that this rom does work well. But I'm used to having loads of style and setup options and customized themes out the wazoo. So I seriously look forward to some sweet Roms in the future.
Dark's ROMs are built to improve speed, memory, GPS, etc. He lays out a great foundation for you to add apps. If you add to much in your ROM, it will gobble up all the phone mempry. These ROM are fast and free up phone memory. The stock ROM were bogged down by useless apps. If your looking for a more flashy ROM there is a touchflow ROM at lg-expo.com
phatride4ever said:
Dark's ROMs are built to improve speed, memory, GPS, etc. He lays out a great foundation for you to add apps. If you add to much in your ROM, it will gobble up all the phone mempry. These ROM are fast and free up phone memory. The stock ROM were bogged down by useless apps. If your looking for a more flashy ROM there is a touchflow ROM at lg-expo.com
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
More stuff in rom does NOT equal more ram used up. more services and more stuff running equals more ram used. Just make sure to keep that clear yes ATT bloat does use up more ram but its not the fact that it uses more rom space its that it runs more programs.
burro breath said:
But see what I don't understand is what is different? I never ran the stock rom but this dragon rom seriously feels stock to me. I mean the hd2 stock rom was better then this. I'm NOT saying it's a poor quality rom and I do want to be clear that this rom does work well. But I'm used to having loads of style and setup options and customized themes out the wazoo. So I seriously look forward to some sweet Roms in the future.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You're trying to compare a HTC device's ROM to an LG device's ROM. Obviously they are going to be different. You can't really compare the two, stock or otherwise especially when the stock HD2 comes with Sense and the eXpo stock has the LG Idles instead.
Like posted before, there is a Sense build posted over at lg-expo.com that has actually been downgraded back from 2.5 to 2.1. Sense was never designed to run on this device so it's pretty awesome that thekingvrock got it working cooked into a ROM. Personally I'm waiting for an Android build, but the Sense ROM is pretty nice.
You also have to keep in mind that the device itself is still relatively new since not many people were able to get it at launch with all of the delays. Plus not everyone that was able to get a device earlier on were devs or anyone that could even make a full rom. HTC devices have been out for years and the architecture is similar enough to have plenty of ROM options shortly after launch. It's going to take some time for more roms to come out for the eXpo, but it has the potential to be a pretty damn good device.
Well I'd love android on this [email protected] phone. I'm always looking here and on lg-expo.com

[Q] Sense rom vs non sense room?

What's the advantage and disadvantage of both roms?
hope this helps: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=823228
short: sense is bloatware^^
mad-murdock said:
short: sense is bloatware^^
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have two Desires, one running Sense and the other running CyanogenMod.
My "primary" device is my Sense phone, but due to an SD card problem last week I had to switch to using my CyanogenMod phone as my daily device as I didn't have time to sort out the other phone until the weekend just gone.
The long and short of it is that I am back to using my Sense phone because I think that the experience is better. Whilst CyanogenMod and similar ROMs may well be faster, IMHO this is only really apparent in benchmarks and not in general use.
That's not to say that CyanogenMod doesn't bring a lot of nice stuff to the table (much of which should be rolled back into AOSP IMO) - just that I personally find that Sense is just a more pleasant user experience, and because of this I can't see that it is "bloatware".
Regards,
Dave
Sense = owns all (IMO)
I've got the same opinion like Foxmeister...Cyanogen might be faster but you can't really notice the difference between Sense and non-Sense Roms in everyday-usage. Cyanogen (and other AOSP Roms) are only better in Benchmark Test like Quadrant...And I think Sense is a great User Experience and makes using the phone much easier...
It's down to personal taste, no one can tell you which one is better, you'll have to find out yourself through experiencing both types of ROMs
Thx guys~ i'll just stick to my leedroid 2.2e, love it...
Can any1 guide me into a thread or website explaining radio & kernel in android term? and how to install/flash it? is it by using rom manager? thx in advance...
EddyOS said:
Sense = owns all (IMO)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
DomiKamp said:
I've got the same opinion like Foxmeister...Cyanogen might be faster but you can't really notice the difference between Sense and non-Sense Roms in everyday-usage. Cyanogen (and other AOSP Roms) are only better in Benchmark Test like Quadrant...And I think Sense is a great User Experience and makes using the phone much easier...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
how is your battery life fellas?
I used to loose 50% everyday with minimal usage
Tried Modaco not bad, but wanna try more, so i tried leedroid 2.2a, was very good, fast and stable, with launcher pro, then wanna try out non sense rom, because many said that it's faster, so i tried open desire, auto brightness seem to be a little too dark, get back to leedroid 2.2b, then don wanna give up on non sense rom, tried defrost again, turtle photoframe work slow when i change to other photo, some photos don even show up... get back to leedroid 2.2e... some how i found out that leedroid is faster than those non sense rom, y? i never use linux, sux at hacking, and love gaming (angry bird rocks!) and web surfing, i guess sense rom is better for me... wanna try cynogen but give up on non sense rom... leedroid is the best rom for normal user like me...
This is too general a question. there are many different builds of sense ROMS and many builds of ASOP ROMS.. they are all different. you can't really compare them as "sense vs non sense".
To put it simply you cannot compare them as a whole category.
celestialspring said:
how is your battery life fellas?
I used to loose 50% everyday with minimal usage
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Currently using a MoDaCo R9 ROM.
23h 21m since unplugged and 60% battery left, though the phone was in airplane mode from around 11pm to 7am.
I didn't use the phone heavily yesterday, but did make/take a few phone calls, send/read a good number of emails, surfed the web, and listened to a bit of Spotify, so I'd definitely say my usage was more than minimal.
Regards,
Dave
P.S. <PEDANT ALERT> Argghh!! My pet peeve! Use of the word "loose" when what is really meant is "lose"! </PEDANT ALERT>
I'm on the HD port from robocik and it just rocks...FB/Twitter/weather sync every hour, bit of WiFi/Angry Birds every day, Gmail as and when I get an email, few calls, few txts. Off charge at 7:30am and put back on at around 11pm with about 40% left
Sense vs. Non-Sense is a preference. As mentioned rightly, many of the ROMs in both categories will work just as good for a specific user. But there are some distinct differences between them without a question. After months of testing with no real favoritism or devotion to some dev, I prefer some Sense based by a big margin on many fronts (Stock by nickiberli and teppic, LeeDroid, RCMix). And quite honestly, I haven't till now used any ROM with my full setup that was clearly and noticeably as fast and smooth as the RCMix v0.11 (except for the dirt slow restart/start).
RCMix v0.11 battery life is indeed good (I don't see it any worse than HTC 2.2) and the Battery Info section now reports the usages far more correctly. But it is still a beta work on many fronts. No cam or vid playback is too great a major issue for a smartphone. I mean, even apps like Nvu, Smart Compass, Cam Card, Document Scanner, Shop Savvy, Surveyor, Barcode Scanner, etc, won't work as they should due to this. It should be a cracking ROM once they can get these issues fixed.
------------------------------
- Sent via HTC Desire -

Philosophy Time! - AOSP or Sense and why?

Hey there fellas,
Well we all pick our "Favorite" between the two and no doubt they both have their ups and downs but I wanted to start a straight forward list of Pros and Cons of each. Please give facts and information, not just flames/troll posts.
My thoughts
+ = Pro
- = Con
Sense :
+720p camera
+Usually stable/fast response time
-Less battery control ( under/over volting, HAVS, etc )
-UI is usually less smooth and fluid
AOSP :
More or less the mirror of what I said about Sense
Sense if you have not so much time on your hands, AOSP if you have a ton of time on your hands.
I'm very particular about how my phone looks and acts, and while AOSP setups can be both truly breathtaking and faster, my experience with Launcher Pro and hunting for the widgets I saw in screenshots... yeah, I don't have time for that garbage. I was never satisfied and the widgets always had a function missing that Sense already had covered or it just straight up looked just like Sense. I ended up just flashing Warm TwoPointTwo and went no further than getting the best designed wallpaper I could possibly find and I was more than satisfied. There are still plenty of AOSP setups that flat out make me drool but a lot of times they don't post their mods, and I just don't have time to go back and forth between widgets or search user posts in thread after thread, forum after forum for the hotness.
I don't use my phone for anything but communicating, movies and games every now and then so Sense taking up all my RAM is actually practical. The UI is the single most used thing on my phone so the RAM can have it.
Very well thought out and reasonable. If you like sense check out the "Uber Kingdom revolution" found here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1088013
I actually just tried it myself and I may have swapped back to sense myself! lol
DustinBooyah said:
Sense if you have not so much time on your hands, AOSP if you have a ton of time on your hands.
I'm very particular about how my phone looks and acts, and while AOSP setups can be both truly breathtaking and faster, my experience with Launcher Pro and hunting for the widgets I saw in screenshots... yeah, I don't have time for that garbage. I was never satisfied and the widgets always had a function missing that Sense already had covered or it just straight up looked just like Sense. I ended up just flashing Warm TwoPointTwo and went no further than getting the best designed wallpaper I could possibly find and I was more than satisfied. There are still plenty of AOSP setups that flat out make me drool but a lot of times they don't post their mods, and I just don't have time to go back and forth between widgets or search user posts in thread after thread, forum after forum for the hotness.
I don't use my phone for anything but communicating, movies and games every now and then so Sense taking up all my RAM is actually practical. The UI is the single most used thing on my phone so the RAM can have it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Reizvoller said:
My thoughts
+ = Pro
- = Con
Sense :
+720p camera
+Usually stable/fast response time
-Less battery control ( under/over volting, HAVS, etc )
-UI is usually less smooth and fluid
AOSP :
More or less the mirror of what I said about Sense
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Depends on which version of AOSP. Froyo has 720p but gingerbread does not. And it's been my experience that AOSP has faster response time than sense. And as for HAVS and what not, that depends on your kernel, and there are some sense kernels out there with it.
I love the bells and whistles that sense brings to the phone but battery life is a serious consideration. I spent a lot of time with cm7 and was very pleased with how you could setup every thing but once I got on sense 3.0 its been really hard to go back, even with the battery issues
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
danrodz said:
I love the bells and whistles that sense brings to the phone but battery life is a serious consideration. I spent a lot of time with cm7 and was very pleased with how you could setup every thing but once I got on sense 3.0 its been really hard to go back, even with the battery issues
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Couldn't agree more. My friend and I flashed JoelZ's Sense 3.0 ROM at the same time, he's since switched back because "pretty UI's don't matter if your phone is dead after a few hours".
Since I text a lot and love the Sense text UI, I don't think I can go back anymore.
I get about equal battery on both, but i get the best battery with newts shift and wildstangs stock 2.0, bettter life than aosp. My thing with aosp is i was always tryin to make those look like sense, so i came to the conclusion i prefer sense. Way better cam, ui much better, 2.1 sense super smooth.im not into all those mods, themes, n apps. I like my smartphone for my business stuff and music. The sense features give me all i need, and i can easily get a full day with heavy use on a year old stock battery, just got to be smart with setti.gs.
Sent from my ADR6300 using XDA App
AOSP if im going to be out for a while ( i carry 3 batteries anyway)
Sense when i need everything to work as planned (albeit with some lag)
so i use both. i cant decide.
AOSP and the reason is the CM7 team.

what rom is best for me?

okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.
For a fast, gingerbread sense 2.1 ROM I would try either newts optimized shift or Wild Stangs pure speed.
Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.
loonatik78 said:
Any reason why you need gingerbread? I'm running one of Chingy's Gingerbread ROMs on my Thunderbolt, OC'd to 1.41, and that about what it takes to make it work smoothly. I tried a GB rom on my old dInc a few weeks ago. It was the herky-jerkiest thing I'd ever put on there. If you HAVE to have Sense, avoid Sense 3.0 elements and avoid anything 3D. AOSP like CM7 or the like is, in my experience, the only smart way to run GB on a dInc or EVO. GB in itself isn't the killer, it's Sense running on top of it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.
Kiboe said:
okay, folks, so, i got clockwork mod, the lastest version, i have no idea what my radio is.
what rom would work best for me?
i just want
gingerbread
Sense
decent camera (not choppy like the default rom)
and decent speed
that's about it. basic stock with fast responses in a nutshell of the post.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
To check your radio go to
Settings > About Phone > Baseband Version
I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
From personal experience if you're going gingerbread I say CM7 or OMFGB. Also MIUI is another popular choice (if you're into it- very different from any other ROM).
ADW launcher comes with CM7, and at first that was the whole reason I stopped using CM7, then I figured out you can change the launcher.. haha
Launcher Pro+ was a much better choice for me, so if you go that route and you don't like ADW- you know where to turn
Kernel's are another very major part of how well your phone performs and also your battery life. Chad's incredikernel are by far the top choice for both Sense and AOSP kernel's.
As always, if you have bad luck with one ROM or kernel, get suggestions and try another. There IS a perfect combination waiting for you
From experience, I would have to agree with loonatik78 about Sense 3.0's effects on phone performance. With that said, I absolutely love Sense and stayed on Sense 2.1/3.0 roms until 3.0 roms received proper treatment and I subsequently switched over to Pure 3.0 roms several weeks ago. I agree with loonatik78 in the sense that you should avoid a pure 3.0 rom IF you want generally less lag but as development continues they get better everyday.
I would suggest Synergy rom from Incubus26jc, Optimized Shift from Newtoroot, AND Nils Business Gingersense 2.1/3.0 +3d. I respect these dev's work and recommend them with ease. As far as the camera, I don't take pics often so I can't provide much insight there. I know Nils' rom is in the process of including hdr and panorama as a setting in the camera app courtesy of Newtoroot (who included it in his Hybrid Sense 3.0 rom I believe). Hopefully you peak in and see what each Sense 2.1/3.0 rom available has to offer and find your daily.
Wdforty's Inc2 Remix hands down. Its a Sense 2.1 ROM with the nice 3.0 bits added in and the battery life is pretty good. It's pretty stable as well.
For the full Sense 3.0 experience I would give Nils Gingersense 3.0 a try. He does great work as well and his ROM is quite snappy for 3.0.
To be honest, flashing on the Incredible is so easy you can try them all out for yourself to see which ROM satisfies YOUR needs. As long as you stick with ROMS towards the top of the Developement forum (shows many people are using them) you will be fine. Read the threads for serious bugs that are reported that may sway you from using a rom.
/rant
k, i am close, i's just trhat i talked to a freind who put cm7 or a rom on his droid 1, and he said he had to reset it.
i guess i am just afraid of bricking the phone, booted cm7 the last time throuh rom manager, and it kept botting in bootloop, well, i got the rom back, but, i don't want to go through that again.
POQbum said:
To check your radio go to
Settings > About Phone > Baseband Version
I'll have to give you fair warning that the Sense GB's are a drainer on performance and battery - I would first suggest you try out SkyRaider (http://rootzwiki.com/showthread.php?1314-ROM-SkyRaider-Sense-4.2-UPDATED-6-28-11)
This is Froyo but it's sense and very stable, smooth, quick, and great battery life. I used it for a long while before I made the switch to CM7.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
okay, the thing is, is there really that much of a noticable difference bewteen 2.2 and 2.3? i already tested out flash and it works flawlessly o this default dinc (after i cleared the bloatware out, THANKS TITANIUM BACKUP!) i'm not going to use blockbuster, or netflix (as much as people like that, i don't watch movies on a 3 1/2 scren.
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
Kiboe said:
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I like Nils Business Gingersense 3d-2.3 for a Sense rom. It is stable, quick and battery life is good. I use Conaps DualRom x2 so I'm able to load CM7, OMFGB, Evervolv and Miui (all Aosp roms) also. They are all very stable, quick and very good battery life using Chad's incredikernel on all except OMFGB on which I use invisiblek kernel.
I think in the end, it is mostly a matter of personal preference.
Kiboe said:
why are you bashing?, i asked a question about roms, not for people to bash stuff.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Holy Sh#t! Are you for real??? All I was doing was giving you an honest impression of my personal experience with a gingerbread Sense ROM built by one of the most experienced devs on the dInc. I used a LOT of ROM's on that phone. The absolute fastest Sense experience you will find is Incredibly Re-Engineered 2.3.2 using Ziggy's BFS 4/10 overclocked to 1.153GHz, smartass gov. setCPU to sleep at 245. The better way to do it would be to use the sysfs interface with a script to undervolt it more, set the smartass to be more conservative, and overclock it. If the smartass is tweaked correctly, the thing will do most of it's work around 768MHz or less, but will still have the overhead to ramp up to 1.153GHz if the load demands. I've been looking at all the GB kernels available and the sysfs on them isn't set up to do all that I've described on any of them. That's not to say they're not very well appointed kernels. They are, to the point I'm jealous. The TB has 2 GB Sense kernels. And the second one is based off the tree of the first.
My Tbolt took a mean hit in performance moving from froyo to GB. It's muscular enough hardware that it makes little impact on user experience. I put the same ROM ported for the dInc on the dInc and it was simply painful to watch. Aside from full Sense with Sense 3.0 elements, that ROM was stripped to the bone. That's why I asked if you really need GB. If you don't, there's far faster stuff out there in the land of Froyo. I run GB on the dInc now, and it's just as stupid-fast as the Tbolt, but it's AOSP. In fact, it would probably out-score my Bolt on benchmarks.
I like my Sense too. My dInc runs AOSP because that's what the gf likes. It'll probably go back to Sense when I give it to my wife. It's nice being able to get some AOSP experience now, since I don't have to live with the thing. Sorry if my opinion of my experience with GB Sense made it look like I was hating on the dInc. I'm not. You should have seen a lot of the first GB builds for the Bolt. You'd be lucky if the thing even booted. And they crawled along like sloths on opium. Maybe when some more developed GB leaks come along, it will work like it should. It's not there yet. Go try some and let me know. I'd love to think I'm wrong.
Optimized shift is my favorite just wish it had 2.1 lockscreen.. pure speed is fast just the lockscreen call bug irritated me... I'm on omfgb and have had a fast and stable experience.. using incredikernel with fast charge.. sense is nice but way too laggy for me.. guess I'm just picky..
Once a fast stable 3.0 sense rom comes out I'll probably switch to it... I try every rom I think is good but usually sense lets me down..
Well that's my 2¢…
Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
Sent from my Incredible using XDA Premium App
Kiboe said:
okay, i may just try oput skyraider to start with, like i said i'm new to flashing.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's a good one to start out with.
CM7 is nice but some people just prefer Sense.
I'd suggest that you stay away from ROM manager just because it can be buggy often.
Really not too big of changes from 2.2 to 2.3
Most notable is the over-scroll effect and they put in some security patches.
Eventually I'm sure you'll want to try out Sense 3.0- but just giving out my opinion in that it doesn't run too great on the INC compared to other ROM's. Bunches of people use it all the time and love it, so who knows, it may be for you. It's what's so great about android.
@loonatik78 / Kiboe
The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone.
DEV's are making this situation better with each new release but I think you get what I'm saying.
Also know that if you update to GB on AOSP you will lose your 720p video recording- not important to most people but if it is to you then you should clear away.
thebasuke said:
Btw dude wasn't bashing he was telling you his experience... NOT everyone on here are a$$ holes lol
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think OP was still mad at him for his other 10 posts of pure bashing and douche-baggery that he made in a couple other threads.
yep, just flashed skyraider and...so far i love it, i just have the itch to flash over to gingersense due to gb, but like you said, i may hold off on that for a while.
"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.
loonatik78 said:
"@loonatik78 / Kiboe The problem isn't so much the fact that it's GB, it's because Sense GB adds on a whole lotta more bloat to your phone. Our phones just weren't designed to handle the newer Sense versions, and although you can flash it and you can use it as a daily you won't get the best performance or battery out of your phone."
That really is the exact point I was trying to make. Sorry if my opinion of the dInc, based on experiences just like this, bothers some folks. I really am. For the record I got quite caustic in 2 other threads concerning "what's next" and "dInc verses bolt". If I didn't have a really good experience with the dInc, I wouldn't have got a dInc2 and a Tbolt. Though the basic specs look quite similar for all 3, the little details make the big difference. For example, the Tbolt and dInc2 use the same chip. It's a snapdragon, but fabbed on a smaller process. It's got more on-die cache and RAM. They use more efficient radios. They both use a more advanced GPU.
Maybe gingerbread sense ROMs will get more efficient. That would be nice. But that isn't reality today. I doubt that will ever be reality regarding Sense 3.0 ROMs. They ask a lot from hardware that phone hasn't got. Therefore, I call the Tbolt and dInc2 better and what's next. It's just facts. Nothing people should be getting worked up over. I'll try to disagree a bit more diplomaticly in the future.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*
POQbum said:
It's more the way you argue for them than the fact that they are. Everyone knows those are newer phones with better upgraded hardware, but compared with the evolution of Android- they aren't that big of a step from INC even though they are still a step up. 4G is nice but a very small percentage of people have that, and when they leave that area it's gone.
idk why this has to be my 3rd time telling you this *facepalm*
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.
loonatik78 said:
I guess I'm just not seeing that a small percentage are LTE covered. I can drive 100 miles many places with LTE coverage. Most of a drive from Detroit, MI to Cincinnati, OH is covered with LTE. I can drive from Cocoa to Tampa with LTE the whole way. Fostoria, OH has it. Who's even heard of Fostoria, OH? I WISH this thing had a display like the dInc2. It doesn't. It kinda sucks actually. What comes after this will be a fairly marginal, incremental improvement as well. Dual core? That's not gonna be 2 big, beefy Scorpion cores like what they're using now. The primary purpose of dual cores is power consumption. Each will use less cache and resources. Together they should perform about as well as a Tbolt Scorpion clocked up around 1.91GHz (Very possible, believe it or not) and use much less power. The really cool thing about the dInc is it was so powerful there was just about nothing it couldn't do given the resources outside of the device. Everything else had to catch up to what it could do. It STILL makes the iPhone4 look dated! That's a HUGE compliment. But, now devices will have to catch up to what LTE can do. It's not just faster. You can do things with the phone that were impossible before, simply because the speed wasn't there. That's made my user experience noticeably better. Other people see it too when they ask you to use your phone for something because it's just too slow on their 3G device. That's my opinion. It's been more than marginal improvement for me and a few of my friends, even if the actual hardware isn't radically improved. Ya'll can take it for what it's worth, go try one out, tell me to **** off, whatever. You're gonna be in the same boat as me eventually.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well there's still no 4G in VA at all so it's got a ways to go before it's considered coverageable.
The CPU speed was what I was trying to say to you before, it takes a lot of power to rev the CPU faster- and with dual cores they can both run slower yet outperform a beefier CPU clocked at faster rates. That's really the upgrade I'm waiting for, a good phone with dual core with root available.
this is going horribly offtopic.
I think it's pretty amazing how there really are no mods here.
It's like they all just abandoned.

Categories

Resources