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Very slow since I upgraded

Hi everyone!
I own a HTC P3300 and I used B&B 3.7 for a while but I upgraded to the official HTC WM 6 ROM a few days ago. It's sooo slow. I understand that Tom's ROM is a little bit optimized but it can't be that slow with the official ROM.
There are 1000+ files in my Windows folder, is it normal?
Thank you for your help!

Romano2K said:
Hi everyone!
I own a HTC P3300 and I used B&B 3.7 for a while but I upgraded to the official HTC WM 6 ROM a few days ago. It's sooo slow. I understand that Tom's ROM is a little bit optimized but it can't be that slow with the official ROM.
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I noticed a significant speed boost from the official WM5 ROM to Tom's WM6 ROMS. Since WM6 is per se more resource hungry than WM5 (especially if you use the Office applications), I can understand that the official WM6 ROM must be quite slow. Besides, the official ROM has less available program RAM, so it can run less apps at a time before getting very sluggish.
I haven't tested it though, so I don't know how slow it should be. When you say it is slow, just how slow do you mean? and how much free program RAM do you have?
There are 1000+ files in my Windows folder, is it normal?
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Yes, sadly.

See the attachment for the memory usage (screenshot made just after a soft reset).
For instance, after a soft reset, I need to wait 3 to 5 seconds between the time I tap the screen (on the start menu, on parameters, on the system tab, ...) and the time it moves/appears.
It's fast just after, but it seems that apps must be in RAM to be quick...
It wasn't that way with B&B!

Yeah I tried the official release also, but I changed it back to a cooked rom very quickly
Once you get used to the speed of the cooked rom, you can't go back.
The great cooks take out all the unnessecary stuff, they change also the page pool, no extended rom installations, newer builds etc, etc... That's why you get more ram and more speed.
My advice is try Meschle's Vanilla 2.0. You will be amazed!

Which WM 6.1 ROM are you using.

I am considering going to one of the WM 6.1 ROMs. To those of you who have installed one (or more) which one do you like and why? Thanks for any advice.

Good, Better And The Best
goraps said:
I am considering going to one of the WM 6.1 ROMs. To those of you who have installed one (or more) which one do you like and why? Thanks for any advice.
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I have tested all the 6.1 ROM's that are currently available for the Excalibur. I believe all parties involved in bringing us this new innovative 6.1 ROM technology have done a superb job. As it stand of this writing, I will have to say that Rick's 6.1 v5 ROM is KING DOG OF ALL 6.1 ROM's for the Excalibur. Personally, I have been able to do a lot of creative things with his ROM that I could not do with other 6.1 ROM's. One of the main thing that I love about Rick's 6.1 v5 ROM, it has no battery drain or memory loss that I have experience thus far. Another thing, I like the speed and the ability of his ROM to carry and run a ton of multi media apps with machine like precision with no lag.......!

I'm running 080314, but I plan to upgrade to 080318 final soon. I do have a few issues with 14 that I am expecting 18 to fix.
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I have tested all the 6.1 ROM's that are currently available for the Excalibur. I believe all parties involved in bringing us this new innovative 6.1 ROM technology have done a superb job. As it stand of this writing, I will have to say that Rick's 6.1 v5 ROM is KING DOG OF ALL 6.1 ROM's for the Excalibur. Personally, I have been able to do a lot of creative things with his ROM that I could not do with other 6.1 ROM's. One of the main thing that I love about Rick's 6.1 v5 ROM, it has no battery drain or memory loss that I have experience thus far. Another thing, I like the speed and the ability of his ROM to carry and run a ton of multi media apps with machine like precision with no lag.......!
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Direct your attention to the bold text: What kind of a statement is this? You ABSOLUTELY can do any and all of the customizations that are currently out there with any 6.1 ROM released. There is nothing outrageous or particularly special about Rick's v5 other than a ROM built with added customizations. Rick just provided a ROM with these customizations so that users would not have to install them and tweak registry settings themselves; in other words, he did the work for you so you could just flash the ROM and be done. However, not everyone wants or uses these tweaks and customizations.
That being said, I would suggest to goraps to look at Kavana's 080318 final, and then compare it to any of Rick's 6.1 releases to determine which he wishes to use. But I would like to stress the importance of starting from "scratch" (Kavana's 18 final) before jumping into something more developed and "tweaked out".

Kavana's 080318 final
Only prob is I don't like the thin font. I would prefer the standard Tahoma.

Rick Rom rules
I use Rick's 6.1 v5 ROM and (don't know how if Rick didnt change nothing important) i have much more free memory all the time maby that is a reazon im finding Rick's Rom much faster. There is one little problem i;m looseing network outside city (moveing to countryside) i was trying few diferent roms and still have same problem Even my wifes SE k510 is better but it has to be problem with phone however i dont think its broken just chinese (no offece) I;m considering buying one of Nokia (n95) or Motorolla V9 but i will miss all Excalibur funcionalitys
Sry 4 my english... hope its unerstendable
O.. and special thx to Kevana U did great job with 6.1

Well I upgraded last night and I used Rick's after I was unable to get Kavana's to work on my phone. I kept getting the 270 error so I went with Ricks and it worked like a charm. So far I really like it. I will see what happens after I have had a chance to play around for a while.

I use latest Kavana's ROM - 080330
And works fine. I see some new Radio - need a couple of days to see is there any differences.
I just don't like colorful icons on top in Ricky-s version

littleclown said:
I use latest Kavana's ROM - 080330
And works fine. I see some new Radio - need a couple of days to see is there any differences.
I just don't like colorful icons on top in Ricky-s version
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you know you can disable them the colorful icons lol

I don't know why but any 6.1 ROM is killing my battery now. They eat my battery like hell (30% cpu for 3 hours doing nothing). Thing are normal when I come back to WM6. I'm waiting for official 6.1 ROM now

linh1987 said:
I don't know why but any 6.1 ROM is killing my battery now. They eat my battery like hell (30% cpu for 3 hours doing nothing). Thing are normal when I come back to WM6. I'm waiting for official 6.1 ROM now
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I think it's the sliding panel homescreen. After I changed to t-mobile default blue homescreen. The battery is fine now.

Its Been a While - so which wm6.1?

Its been a while since ive even bothered to snoop at whats going on in the old hermes world. I still have my hermes and am curious to see how far wm6 has progressed.
now the dilemma is that so much has happened since i last worked on black (dont get excited - i hung up my boots) and dont know which one to install.
So which is the "best" in terms of stability/speed etc?

Welcome back buddy! WM6.1 builds have a lot problems for now - freezing and HR - maybe depends on BS, but we don't know at the moment.
Maybe you will be successfull...

PDAVIET is the best!!

FARIA.R-32
I've been using it for few weeks now. And had absoultly no problems at all. Best rom so far (at least for me ).

I reakon CRC's ROMs are the best
Try the stable one if you rely on your phone, or the development one if you want to try the bleeding edge stuff...

I vote PDAViet, clean, BigStorage which makes it darn fast and no stability problems whatsoever. Been running for 2 days now

v0id said:
I vote PDAViet, clean, BigStorage which makes it darn fast and no stability problems whatsoever. Been running for 2 days now
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I really wouldn't call 2 days stable... If I relied on my phone, I'd be looking for something that has run for weeks before calling it stable

I wouldnt go to 6.1
Many different custom ROMs of WM6.1 that I've tried.
Some crashed to a hard reset
Some frequently froze
Some froze/crashed/kill my dog
All for what? SMS Threading? And it's an ugly SMS threading by the way, and if you got more than a hundred SMS, it would take a while for it to load threaded SMS with each contact. All other features of 6.1 are either useless to common users (such as corporate security junk) or are transferable to 6.0 (such as Office 6.1)
I've went back and forth between 6.1 and 6.0 until sticking to 6.0
It's faster & stable (won't stay "stableR" because 6.1 is NOT stable)
See it this way
WM6.0 = XP
WM6.1 = Vista
One is older than the other, but all the newer version's stuff was transferable to the older version.
Though I wouldnt say WM6.1 has ANY improvement over the GUI like Vista did.
Newer doesnt necessarely mean better.
Eventually, a hardware device is old enough and newer "software" doesnt improve anything at all.
I'm still running mid-2005 Nvidia drivers on my laptop Most stable drivers for THAT laptop (as it's old).
Hermes is old

I've found that it depends on the Windows Mobile build... Out of all the 6.1 builds I've played with:
19199 = WM6.1, seems to be very stable on all devices.
19209 = WM6.1, seems to be stable on some devices, lots of issues on other devices. Can freeze or hard reset, but it's either it works 100% or fails completely. Not 100% sure why as yet.
19400 = WM6.1, haven't been able to get this to even boot as yet.
This is why I've split my development into Stable (uses build 19199) and Development (uses build 19209 - or higher when I get it working).

Oh that's easy - TNT.19199
The full version.
Only need to add FTouch SL
Simply the fastest and the most fully loaded ROM I've ever used.
(probably partially due to the X-button that actually terminates application process when you click it)
And it's fully loaded with things you can actually make use of...
I'm still finding new useful things to do with the apps it comes with.

CRCinAU said:
I've found that it depends on the Windows Mobile build... Out of all the 6.1 builds I've played with:
19199 = WM6.1, seems to be very stable on all devices.
19209 = WM6.1, seems to be stable on some devices, lots of issues on other devices. Can freeze or hard reset, but it's either it works 100% or fails completely. Not 100% sure why as yet.
19400 = WM6.1, haven't been able to get this to even boot as yet.
This is why I've split my development into Stable (uses build 19199) and Development (uses build 19209 - or higher when I get it working).
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I agree with you 100%
HOWEVER, while 19199 doesn't "hard reset", or crash under "CASUAL" use, it is very sensitive to "torture" use.
6.0 can take in a lot of crap, changing radio bands while turning off bluetooth and having Live Messenger trying to initiate a GPRS connection. 6.1 19199 would most likely just vomit, pass out on face first in the toilet bowl and wake up a while later feeling groggy.
Though it's better than 19209 which would end up overdosing (hard reset)
I dont have any concrete examples of how to stress test 19199 into bugging, but after running 19199 (including your 9.1 ROM, which is the last WM6.1 I tried). I defitively saw the difference between WM6.0 and what is considered to be "stablest" in the WM6.1 kind.
WM6.0 is much more responsive.

i've tried all 6.1 roms and they are excellent in all areas but one - the battery life. it's simply too short no matter what you do.
so, i went back to the best rom i've tried so far - K's final WM 6.0 - it's got the speed and battery life way better than any wm 6.1 rom out there

hi JJ
I am using from PDAviet the DVHa rom version 19209 in combination with radio 1.48. I am using my pushmail alot and the phone last 3 days!!
This is the best I ever had. I have tested nearly every rom in the last year (also black ). I'm running this combination a couple of weeks without a SR or HR!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=385047&highlight=pdaviet
I want to test the new rom from DVHa but in that threat there a some people with HR issues!

JJ, glad to hear from you again. Hope all is OK with you. I have been using Pandora Naked ROM for a few months now and it is very stable. I have not had any hard reset so far. Worth a try.

jasjamming said:
Its been a while since ive even bothered to snoop at whats going on in the old hermes world. I still have my hermes and am curious to see how far wm6 has progressed.
now the dilemma is that so much has happened since i last worked on black (dont get excited - i hung up my boots) and dont know which one to install.
So which is the "best" in terms of stability/speed etc?
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speed: faria , it's a bit unstable(but you gotta see it at least once...
stability: pdaviet, clean and stable(fast as well)

Well, well! If it isn't the highly respected JJ! Notwithstanding your great contributions to this community I would direct you as I would any question about which is the "best"; do a seach in the topic titles with the word 'best' and you'll start to get a good idea.
As of the last couple of weeks I would definitely shortlist the ROMs based on the 19209 builds (i.e PDAViet and PDACorner and maybe try some of the newer PDAViet builds).
Let us know how your get on and how they fare against your once ubiquitous roms.

Nothing has been as smooth as black !!, as a noob i've been sticking with Shaps....Please post which one's you like the best after trying, Thanks JJ

jasjamming said:
Its been a while since ive even bothered to snoop at whats going on in the old hermes world. I still have my hermes and am curious to see how far wm6 has progressed.
now the dilemma is that so much has happened since i last worked on black (dont get excited - i hung up my boots) and dont know which one to install.
So which is the "best" in terms of stability/speed etc?
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Get back in #xda-mofos where you belong JJ, and where the **** is walshieau hiding?

Hi Jasjammin, A t this point in time I've used a heap of the wm 6.1 roms. I tend to like (for my jasjam) the PDAViet roms as I dont seem to get the hangups or hard resets I've got in other roms. I quite like the PDAViet rom series 19701, Its BLINDINGLY FAST and no problems yet. Mind you I only had it on a day or two, so.... As for the earlier versions, my Jasjam didnt like 19199 or 19202 but seemed to be ok with 19209& 19400. My radio rom is 154.30.10. Hope this helps... Cheers

Hi Jasjammin, A t this point in time I've used a heap of the wm 6.1 roms. I tend to like (for my jasjam) the PDAViet roms as I dont seem to get the hangups or hard resets I've got in other roms. I quite like the PDAViet rom series 19701, Its BLINDINGLY FAST and no problems yet. Mind you I only had it on a day or two, so.... As for the earlier versions, my Jasjam didnt like 19199 or 19202 but seemed to be ok with 19209& 19400. My radio rom is 154.30.10. Hope this helps... Cheers

fastest vogue rom?

:? what is it?

I've used many of the Vogue ROMs (In fact, I think there is only one I haven't really tested), and for pure speed/usability, I suggest NFSFan's. They have always seemed to just work best (and there is an update coming out soon)

another vote for NSFAN, this thing is great... and winmo 6.5 is nice too. I dragged my feet but it's def worth it! Along with skyfire, feels like I have a new phone!

Using NFSFAN's VZW 1.15 ROM. None seem to be really fast as the phone still takes forever to fully boot.

jadesse said:
Using NFSFAN's VZW 1.15 ROM. None seem to be really fast as the phone still takes forever to fully boot.
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It only takes forever because you are using M2D. The 6.5 ROMs with Titanium boot much faster.

atoz350 said:
It only takes forever because you are using M2D. The 6.5 ROMs with Titanium boot much faster.
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I wouldn't really think that's quite true.
NFSFAN's 6.5 ROMS include both Titanium and M2D.
That would be a question of wether 6.1 or 6.5 is faster, not Titanium or M2D. (operating system versus user interface)
For boot time I tested soft reseting V8 with Titanium, then M2D as the homepage. M2D was only about a second behind while TouchFlo loaded.
Speed while using??? I think both are fast.
As far as ROMS you have to compare apples to apples. Some bare bones ROMS may appear to be initially faster, but then load all your usual programs (TomTom, games,facebook, etc etc) and applications and you'll soon find NFSFAN's ROMS with optimizations run much faster.

I quite hate M2D and TouchFLO. I'm a real SPB Mobile shell guy. Where can I find myself a nice clean TouchFLO-less rom for the Vogue?

:'(, Adrian your killing me...

Fastest Manila/TF3D/Sense 2.5 ROMS

Does anything think they have the fastest Manila 2.5 ROM?
I'm trying to find one, that has fluent animations, quick response/no lag, but does not eat lots of RAM, 65% max.
Is this possible?
I'd prefer WinMo 6.5, but I've read (and personally found out) that WinMo 6.1 uses less RAM.
All the ROM's I've used use around 78-90% ram, which means I can't run any apps!
My Current ROm seems pretty good(Sun Y), but when some parts are a little laggy and stil uses quite a bit of RAM.
Think this will help alot of people if chefs try to work on a ROM like this. I know it's hard because looking for a Manila ROM is looking for a RAM eating ROM too but I'm sure it's possible, with lots of tweaking..

Oh and don't know if you've noticed on your diamonds, how annoying it is when you slide through contacts, sms, email inbox etc, that it's 'cutty' and laggy ,rather than the iphone style where its smooth and good feedback.
trying to find this in the ROM too.

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Oh and don't know if you've noticed on your diamonds, how annoying it is when you slide through contacts, sms, email inbox etc, that it's 'cutty' and laggy ,rather than the iphone style where its smooth and good feedback.
trying to find this in the ROM too.
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the problem is, the iPhone OS was written FOR the iPhone. Eventuall iPhoneOS7 or whatever will come out and will require hardware far better than the iphone...it will never be ported becuase apple dont like that sort of thing.
Manilla 2.5 was NEVER supposed to run on the diamond...it just hasnt got the hardware to do it properly.
Manilla 2.1 works fine, no problems, fast as you like...this was ALSO never supposed to run on the diamond, but it's been ported successfully becuase the phones is WAS supposed to run on arent far off the diamond hardware wise.
2.5 doesnt
yet

also this may sound stupid but many ppl actually doesnt know how to use slider correctly...
we dont have that iphone glass screens we have resistive screens actually made for stylus. if u want to move it use little bit of nail and u see how smooth it scrolls

I have build a WM6.5 ROM with HTC Sense everything working 100%, Manila is very fast and and ROM is stable. You get 36mb free RAM on startup, you will never run out of RAM again! (with GPS software you may run out of RAM)
I will be releasing my ROM soon... You can follow the progress of the ROM on Twitter. (see my sig)

Dom1n8tr1x said:
I have build a WM6.5 ROM with HTC Sense everything working 100%, Manila is very fast and and ROM is stable. You get 36mb free RAM on startup, you will never run out of RAM again! (with GPS software you may run out of RAM)
I will be releasing my ROM soon... You can follow the progress of the ROM on Twitter. (see my sig)
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This sounds promising! I will be keeping an eye out!

GenghisKhan said:
I'm trying to find one, that has fluent animations, quick response/no lag, but does not eat lots of RAM, 65% max.
Is this possible?
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No. As simple as that.
Manila 2.5 consumes alot - because it can do alot - as soon as scrolling through a couple of pages, and it will increase to at least 75% on WM6.1 no matter how light it is. If you want Manila, just cope with that. If you can't, forget about Manila.
And please stop comparing WM devices with that iphone crap. That's two different worlds. That iphone thing has 10% of the features of a WM device, and it sucks as a cell phone (which it is also supposed to be - not just an mp3 player).
Dom1n8tr1x said:
I have build a WM6.5 ROM with HTC Sense everything working 100%, Manila is very fast and and ROM is stable. You get 36mb free RAM on startup, you will never run out of RAM again! (with GPS software you may run out of RAM)
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36mb free means 69% on startup. That's quite a few mb more than Kisja's 6.1 ROM with Sense 2.5, so I hope you'll be able to tune that down a bit And I recommend you to free up way more storage. 50mb on main storage is not much!
I'd love to test your ROM when it's out, I hope you'll get it all to come out nice! Keep up the work!

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No. As simple as that.
Manila 2.5 consumes alot - because it can do alot - as soon as scrolling through a couple of pages, and it will increase to at least 75% on WM6.1 no matter how light it is. If you want Manila, just cope with that. If you can't, forget about Manila.
And please stop comparing WM devices with that iphone crap. That's two different worlds. That iphone thing has 10% of the features of a WM device, and it sucks as a cell phone (which it is also supposed to be - not just an mp3 player).
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I'm not comparing how good the iphone is - if you ask me you'll find I'm rather against the iPhone and its over rated popularity. The only thing that I apreciate from the iphone is it's 3.5mm jack that so many phones fail to have, as well as smooth scrolling.
Never said the iphone was better than WM.

confused as h3ll
Two days of reading and no choice for my first CustomROM.
I have the Diamond from more than a year with the last HTC Rom and I like it very much... really fast (lightning) and responsive. The only problem is that I want to try something new, haven't decided yet 2.5 or 2.1 and 6.1 or 6.5 I guess I have to give it a try. So can you give me a point to start from, a Rom that you liked... for now I'm thinking of donsalari's roms but more reading to come.
Anyway I totally agree with longice's comment about the iPhone bullsh*ts

Benkos is allright...
But like I said It's hard to find one which will give you more RAM and have manila 2.5/wm6.5.
And SUN Y is good too.
I've found SUN Y's to be the one with most response as well as easthetics..
THe most fluent ROM i've used is NRG's, except so much RAM Is used you can't even use the camera and some points

PsychoTraining said:
Two days of reading and no choice for my first CustomROM.
I have the Diamond from more than a year with the last HTC Rom and I like it very much... really fast (lightning) and responsive. The only problem is that I want to try something new, haven't decided yet 2.5 or 2.1 and 6.1 or 6.5 I guess I have to give it a try. So can you give me a point to start from, a Rom that you liked... for now I'm thinking of donsalari's roms but more reading to come.
Anyway I totally agree with longice's comment about the iPhone bullsh*ts
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I've had great experinces with the Gen.Y ROM's, high recommended!
I'm currently tryin the SUN Y 6.1 rom with sense, and after a bit it can get very ram hungry, but that's mainly sense. I tried the 6.5 with sense and that was just rubbish, around 90% RAM after like 10 mins... Now i'm waiting on the RC2 of the SUN rom

This thread is gonna create flame.
Mod, please close it.

the fastest rom i ever used is 2.11 offical
but love cook rom and now 6.1 + TF3D 2.5
that my choose.

Deep Shining
It's a pity there are no more deepshining roms as they were the best, fast repsonsive and lots of memory to run apps, i have tried almost all the roms available and everytime I come back to deep shining 8.2.
Got to download the kitchen he release and have a go at updating to build 21876 and Sense UI 2.5

I'll be waiting ....
redhat37 said:
It's a pity there are no more deepshining roms as they were the best, fast repsonsive and lots of memory to run apps, i have tried almost all the roms available and everytime I come back to deep shining 8.2.
Got to download the kitchen he release and have a go at updating to build 21876 and Sense UI 2.5
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I'm waiting for U. I also used the Deepshining 8.2 and until now no other rom handled the speed and free ram better than this one.

sense 2.5 isn't a perfect port to diamond or diamond dose not have the necesary resrources to driveit right.I haven't seen one rom on the forum that has smooth sense 2.5 and when i say smooth i say like manila 1.X

If you want a fast and stable WinMo6.6 with Sense 2.1, find the DonSalari's Rom.
I've been looking and sometime even cooking some roms for a few years and this ROM was my choice.

WM6.1 is much faster and stable than 6.5. I also always wanted to stick with new 6.5.x builds, but then tried Gen.Y wm6.1. It's way faster and smoother, especially sense. Also ram usage is 10-20 percent lower.
Also, sense 2.1 seems to be way smoother than sense 2.5, especially seen right after soft reset, when it has to fully load tabs yet, so scrolling through tabs in 2.5 is not smooth

I have also tried allmost all of the roms on this site. Now i'm using the Shaks. P v4.30 ROM with wm6.1. It's a clean rom without manila and with all the originall HTC stuff + some additional applications. Now I'm using this Rom with spb ms 3.5.2.
The best wm6.5 i have tried is also the Don Salaris rom but it has some bugs and i have to soft-reset my device quite offten.
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The problema its not the RAM coz sense 2.5 lags badly on Blackstone with more ram then the diamond so what is the problem? the CPU could be? the port of sense 2.5 is bad?