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What are the differences?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317796
I would suggest trying both if you unsure
In my humble opinion an official Rom never has the toys a cooked custiom made rom has.
I tend to stick to Roms made by the same people as they know what they are doing. Lke at the Moment To Codon hasnt let me down at all.
In the past Mda buzz dev etc etc etc have all done sterling work on various devices.
I dint tend to install a Rom without knowing who made it has done something well before, and with good comments and feedback.
As I say in my pinion Tom can be relied on and the Rom is sweet
Black and blue is the official rom with lots of stuff added on. While I like a lot of the B&B I hate a lot of it also.
So I personally go for Official then add the bits I Want.
But if you want the fast approach to a nice looking rom then go B&B. You also have to be careful as they often include bits that can make the rom unstable.
For example, I changed my settings to include file system cache to speed things up but the device would lock up loads. Also, HTC x-button 1.51 causes MAJOR system instability, while B&B uses the more stable 1.5 if included in future releases you can expect a whole load of problems.
Thanks
Thanks for your answers.
If I understood, both are basically the same, but with a custom one some apps are added.
What is the advantage of this over installing them yourself?
Is more space efficient maybe?
I just bought my p3300 via internet (and I still don't have it) but I have a qteck s100 for the last 4 years, which I customized in a very nice way.
They only reason I waited was because I was not convinced about the CPU speed (and I'm still not convinced buy now I could find it cheap enough to try), so maybe using B&B rom will make it more efficient, am I right?
Cheers
I don't think the P3300 will be much faster than the S100, but it's fast enough to do it's daily tasks (calendar, gps, games).
The B&B 3.7 has about 32 mb of free space after installation. When you install most applications on the micro-SD card, the P3300 will stay relatively fast.
The main advantage of flashing a custom rom is that you don't have to customize it so much yourself (if you like the features).
After installing WM6 3.5 rom I installed the HTC Touch Comm manager, a black smart dialer, WM5torage, HTC X-button 1.5 and some other stuff which are allready in B&B 3.7, so for me the choice was easy.
Most ROM cookers make a list of customizations they made. Choose the one you like the most, read the thread for possible problems and install the ROM you want....
Gwystyl said:
I don't think the P3300 will be much faster than the S100, but it's fast enough to do it's daily tasks (calendar, gps, games).
The B&B 3.7 has about 32 mb of free space after installation. When you install most applications on the micro-SD card, the P3300 will stay relatively fast.
The main advantage of flashing a custom rom is that you don't have to customize it so much yourself (if you like the features).
After installing WM6 3.5 rom I installed the HTC Touch Comm manager, a black smart dialer, WM5torage, HTC X-button 1.5 and some other stuff which are allready in B&B 3.7, so for me the choice was easy.
Most ROM cookers make a list of customizations they made. Choose the one you like the most, read the thread for possible problems and install the ROM you want....
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B&B has 32 mb of free space. If I install official wm6 I guess I would have more, don't I?
If the main advantage is that I don't have to customize it, this is not an advantage for me, as customizing is link to each individual.
If cooked roms are more efficient in terms of space, resources, and performance then yes, this is a good reason.
Is everything that its packed into a cooked rom taking less space than if I do it myself?
Cheers
I'm installing
"RUU_Artemis_DOPODASIA_WWE_3.7.707.1_4.1.13.30_02.69.90_Ship.exe"
Is correct?
Ready !! All OK
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Well.. for people using P800 series able to use both: Official HTC & Tom's B&B
but people using M700 / HTC Love they only have one choice: Tom B&B!
so Tom's B&B its a miracle, a life saviour!
cheers
Ready !!
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I chose Tom's ROM because I wanted a good German version of it. The only official version was from O2 and I don't have the XDA Orbit but a HTC P3300 and didn't want the O2 Splash Screen or the custom O2 settings in my connections. Since it is very annoying to remove all of them by myself I took Tom's version. And HTC hasn't released their own official version, I don't want to wait an eternity.
Actually I installed the official ROM and made some customizations to it (Kaiser Home Plugin etc.) and I ended up with something very similar to Tom's ROM. So if I would flash again I will go for his solution!
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Actually I installed the official ROM and made some customizations to it (Kaiser Home Plugin etc.) and I ended up with something very similar to Tom's ROM. So if I would flash again I will go for his solution!
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I still don't understand the advantages...
Is B&B packing a some nice utilities taking less space? does it optimize the memory, battery, speed?
I bought my p3300 from htc and I am getting it in one hour
Probably it will come with WM5. Where could I get WM6 official?
One thing I assume that the WM6 is going to be better is stability and reliability. Am I right?
does Tom ROM include italian Language?
Its all down to personal choice, they are pretty much identical except toms B&B comes with the nice bits pre-installed. Do you want everything in the rom? If not go for the official one and add on the bits you want (like me).
I have found WM5Storage can leave your device a little unstable, especially if you use it for storing email attachments and your IE cache.
Tryid both
Your can just try both
I will say this though - Without people like "King Tom" - guys like me would not even be close to learning to flash any ROM at all. The work thise guys are doing is great, and i Love the 3.7 ROM...
I think it depends off how many programs you want to install and configure your-selv in they end
Having just purchased my 8525 several weeks ago, I have undergone the grueling exercise of reading, downloading, reading, downloading, more reading, more downloading... in my quest for the fastest stable ROM. While I appreciate the all hard work of our ROM cookers, and I recognize that each ROM will meet specific individual needs, I have yet to find a ROM that compares to the speed of K's WM6.0 FINAL Lite.
I was flabbergasted yesterday when I did a comparison. After having read many posts on the speed of the new WM6.1, I decided to give it a whirl and see what I was missing. I looked for a good WM6.1 Lite edition to flash and eventually found one that was reported stable with good reviews. Upon flashing, I noticed that it seemed snappy at first as I tapped through the settings, explorer. I was looking for any delays in response or program load times. I installed Pocket Informant 8 and opened and closed the program several times to visually test the speed (I like to close out of applications and have them reopen with speed when I need them).
I was tempted to leave it on for a while but I decided to flash back to compare and see if I could notice any difference right away... I was shocked with the results. As soon as I flashed back to K's WM6.0 FINAL Lite ROM, I immediately noticed the difference, K's was much faster. Additionally, as soon as I did a hard reset, I noted the program memory sitting at 32.06 (available). I have not officially "benchmarked" these as I don't really know how, but as far as opening applications, moving through settings/programs, and using file explorers, K's takes the cake.
Now I realize that there are many variables to consider (the WM6.1 ROM I used, programs included/ excluded with Lite versions etc.) but as far as lightning fast ROMs, can anyone else support my conclusions? For those of you using K's WM6.0 FINAL Lite ROM please weigh in with your thoughts. If you haven't yet tried it and your looking for speed, please give it a try and let us know what you think. If I am correct, then I can only imagine what a WM6.1 Lite by Kin0Kin could do?
I can only say that what you tested was "out of the box" performance.
I always temper with my OS, removing services & changing reg. definitions.
I feel WM6.1 is faster.
I think the first factor that affects performance is the added apps and as a result how many files sit in the WINDOWS folder(thats why the lite versions work faster...)
The next factor is reg hacks.
I think we should install a version as lite as we can, and as new as you can find then - add your stuff.
I have to agree with the above post. I've been using cooked ROMs since I got my 8525 a year ago...now I'm using Schaps WM 6.1 and to me it is the most stable. I have tried CRC's and Pays but to me, Schaps is the most stable and quickest...I have good battery life and can reasonably use (most of) my programs.
I've had to reflash about ten times trying different programs and different setups but now it's pretty snappy and I'm happy with my set up.
Best I can tell you is try flashing a few different ones and see which one gives you the most mileage.
Hope This Helps,
Jim
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Having just purchased my 8525 several weeks ago, I have undergone the grueling exercise of reading, downloading, reading, downloading, more reading, more downloading... in my quest for the fastest stable ROM. While I appreciate the all hard work of our ROM cookers, and I recognize that each ROM will meet specific individual needs, I have yet to find a ROM that compares to the speed of K's WM6.0 FINAL Lite.
I was flabbergasted yesterday when I did a comparison. After having read many posts on the speed of the new WM6.1, I decided to give it a whirl and see what I was missing. I looked for a good WM6.1 Lite edition to flash and eventually found one that was reported stable with good reviews. Upon flashing, I noticed that it seemed snappy at first as I tapped through the settings, explorer. I was looking for any delays in response or program load times. I installed Pocket Informant 8 and opened and closed the program several times to visually test the speed (I like to close out of applications and have them reopen with speed when I need them).
I was tempted to leave it on for a while but I decided to flash back to compare and see if I could notice any difference right away... I was shocked with the results. As soon as I flashed back to K's WM6.0 FINAL Lite ROM, I immediately noticed the difference, K's was much faster. Additionally, as soon as I did a hard reset, I noted the program memory sitting at 32.06 (available). I have not officially "benchmarked" these as I don't really know how, but as far as opening applications, moving through settings/programs, and using file explorers, K's takes the cake.
Now I realize that there are many variables to consider (the WM6.1 ROM I used, programs included/ excluded with Lite versions etc.) but as far as lightning fast ROMs, can anyone else support my conclusions? For those of you using K's WM6.0 FINAL Lite ROM please weigh in with your thoughts. If you haven't yet tried it and your looking for speed, please give it a try and let us know what you think. If I am correct, then I can only imagine what a WM6.1 Lite by Kin0Kin could do?
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Generally 6.1 is faster than 6. Kin0Kin uses a 6mb page pool and a file cache to speed performance, additionally it is an exceptionally well built ROM. This means that after opening a large number of programs those programs will run faster but you will have less memory available to open other programs. In implemenation I have never run into a memory chrunch while using K ROM final. That said if you take a 6.1 rom, set the page pool to 6mb and setup a file cache (I believe K uses 4 MB) it more than likely will be faster than K Rom final (if it is a well cooked ROM). However you may just want to wait for K to release his 6.1 rom when it is out of Beta (still kinda buggy) promises to be blazing fast and to have visual overhaul.
Thanks for taking the time to reply fellas! I should maybe clarify what I was trying to say. I was really wondering if anyone has tried various lite ROMs out there (including K's Final), and if so, how do you think they compared?
This question may be a little too subjective to answer with any certainty but it might point others in the right direction if they are looking for a fast Lite ROM. My intention here is not to put other ROM cookers down by the way; I have a great respect for these individuals who have give so much of their time to this community. In the end though, it seems that each ROM has it's specialties and IMHO, K's WM6 Final Lite ROM specializes in speed (among other things).
With all of my programs loaded: PI8, PB, ILauncher, WBA Lite, Total Comander2.5, on device, and about 6 or so more on the storage card, I sit now with the following:
28MB+/- program memory available
57mb+/- Storage memory available
I have already tested various ROMs and have yet to find one more responsive, not just "out of the box". Are there others who have also experienced this? Kin0Kin may not make a Lite ROM for 6.1 and I'm o.k. with that (given enough support who knows) Anyway, if his WM6 Lite ROM is the fastest currently out there, then think of how fast a 6.1 Lite release by K could be. In any case, I am looking forward to using his 6.1 once he releases it.
So to clarify again, for those of you who have used various lite ROMs (including K's Final), how do/did you find they compared? If there was a tread like this months ago, I might have found K's a little quicker (lol). Thanks again for input!
Well..I am one of the lite Rom fans too...I agree with you that they are faster than the full versions. However, as soon as you install bunch of your apps, it becomes as fast as a regular full rom. The only reason I use lite versions is that I believe that the less apps you cook in a rom the less buggy it is and since I have the standard set of apps that I always intall in a rom which most of the rom cooker don't include in their roms, or include along with other apps that I don't use, which again make a rom buggier.
So, again, lite is fast before you intall your apps, and it is great for customization it terms of installing your own apps.
P.S. I read someone saying that they never had an issue with having not enough memory(RAM). That's exactly what happened to me. I didn't understand the point of having a lot of RAM. But recently, after I started using spb pocket plus, spb mobile shell, htc home all together, I found out that I am running out of RAM, now I need more RAM. Because having all these apps running plus a music player I have around 6-8 of free memory, which I never used to have less than 20MB.
I have to go with Matt's Pandora Naked roms. I've tried a bunch and really like PN7.2. I run a lot of software and his rom has a ton of ram and storage. I included a screenshot with the mem in top right with Pocketplus, pocketweather, S2US, pockettoolman, Qmenu etc.
Anyhow, I like K's roms too, so in the end it's up to you to decide. I'm a Ram freak and like to keep a lot free. So good luck
Agree with noellenchris, I am using Pandora Naked 7b2 WM6 really great, very fast & stable. With lots of Memory & space. My experience with WM6.1 wasn't so good I had to revert back to WM6, I am lovin it..
BTW can anybody please tell me what is page pool. I am not aware what exactly it means.
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BTW can anybody please tell me what is page pool. I am not aware what exactly it means.
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Matt uses a 6mb page pool in PN7.2. Page pool is like the file cache for ram, if you tend to use many smaller programs at the same time, then 4mb or 6mb is ok. If you use one larger program at a time and close when done then 6-10mb is better. The page pool comes at the expense of available RAM though. But remember that the programs are using this page pool as a cache.
Sort of like the cache on the processors of your computer. It's fast memory readily available for the processor to use. Hope this helps
Chris
i always liked schap's roms, then i tried pay's (that one wasnt bad either), but in the end ShadoW TE 6.1 won overall, even though it doesnt use the latest build, it s really stable and fast - plus i dont have to bother with reinstalling all the dark skins/themes/cabs
Has anyone pointed you to KarHu's posts...? He has done an excellent job benchmarking roms... Currently, I think he is up to 52 different roms... I usually wait for him to post his results before I decide on a different version to use... Sometimes, my illness takes over and I can't wait.. Ok, usually this happens, but it is a good resource nonetheless...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320370
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Sometimes, my illness takes over and I can't wait..
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Isn't that the truth. Sometimes I wish I never knew about this site....
Faria has just posted his latest build on WM6.1.
This also seems to be fast and stable you can try out this.
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Isn't that the truth. Sometimes I wish I never knew about this site....
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yeah, at 2am, when I just decide to pop in and see a new rom, I gotta flash it then...
I'm getting my 8525 back sometime today with a white screen. If I can unbrick it, I'll most likely continue using vp3G 3.0. It was always fast.
Thanks for the feedback everyone! Debonairone, I never new about that post before, it's very insightful. I would like to see K's newest Lite (Final) tested soon, I tried Shamanix's Grass 2.2 and it was excellent but K's felt a little faster so it would be interesting to see it benched. I had to laugh when I read about your 2AM flash comments. I've had about 3 of these over the past week. This seems to be the only time I find lately, after the kids are asleep and I finish all my other "chores" (lol).
Chris, thanks for pointing out Pandora's Naked ROM. I flashed the latest and it is very impressive. I would say K's Lite is very comparable to this, especially with the available memory "out of the box" (4vs6mb pagepool accounted for). K's out of the box available Program memory was 32.20 with a 4mb PagePool and Pandora's was 30.46 with 6mb PagePool; Storage was also close.
I too love my memory and I think that Pandor's Naked ROMs are almost identical in free memory if not a tad more but I do have to take into account that K's had more programs already loaded namely Office 2007, Calculator and games (I used cabs for PN9). I was also comparing WM6 with a naked WM6.1 BTW I love the fact that Pandora has the 6.1 "naked". On the other side of the coin, K has the larger dialer buttons/skin and in his 6.1 (Full) he uses the 5.0 Camera (still bugged though). I'm hoping to see a fixed Camera 5.0 in his next release. Overall, I think the two ROMs are very comparable I should have compared PN7 but it was to tempting to try 9 and I am getting tired of flashing (must have done 30 over the past few days).
I guess when it comes to speed, there are many ROMs that are close in speed and memory. In the end, it probably comes down to a matter of personal opinion. I like PN9 and I'll be keeping my eye on this although, there is something about the feel of K's latest ROMs that I am in Love with. With WM6.1 out now I guess we'll see some new speed records and be back at this topic in several months Thanks for the link and much insight fellas,
Jazz8
Hey,
Every WM 6.1 ROM I installed is really slow in reaction and menu.
K's rom for WM 6.0 is so much faster.
I want to use WM 6.1 but its just so slow.
Is that everyones experience ?
What am I doing wrong?
Why don't you post your issues/problems on the specific WM6.1 rom thread you have tried. Maybe you can get advice on how to resolve your problem/issues.
I've tried all WM6.1 roms out there, and i would say they're all faster than the WM6 roms i've used before.
I would agree with greatbal, used a number of WM6.1 ROMs and they're all quicker than WM6
I tried a couple WM6.1 roms and ended up going back to K's roms.
I tried CKC's and Pays WM 6.1 and they are very slow compared to K's so I just gave up and going to stick with WM 6.
WM 6.1 doesn't have anything special to it anyways...
I've used all of K's ROMs and currently using CRC's 6.1 ROM. My impression is that the 6.1 is a little faster than K's. However, I can't say that feature-wise, one is better than the other. I could easily go back to K's ROM without loosing functionalilty.
My ROM selection is based on what is included (or not included) in the total package, which is cook specific.
6.1 vs 6.0
My own experience, based on the few 6.1 roms I've tried, is similar to exxi and esmith. I haven't seen the boost in either performance or functionality that others comment on.
My two cents.
Regards,
exxi said:
Hey,
Every WM 6.1 ROM I installed is really slow in reaction and menu.
K's rom for WM 6.0 is so much faster.
I want to use WM 6.1 but its just so slow.
Is that everyones experience ?
What am I doing wrong?
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Slow?I don`t agree.I`ve tried a few WM 6.1 and they were all pretty faster than the fastest WM 6.0.Only problem is they are not yet very stable.Hardreset and a few other issues.So maybe you should stick with WM6.0 for now.
Hi I just changed ROM from Original HTC 6.0 to 6.1 and I have to say it really seems to be slower... Whats the problem?
The problem's probably just that we're all working with very ealy versions of 6.1. When the chefs with the most in-depth knowledge of how to combine the given files with the most suitable and useful drivers and other bits and pieces I've no doubt most of us will find 6.1 better.
I've played with some 6.1s but for now 6.0 is generally more stable.
Until then, I still use mattk_r's compilation of 6.0 with 3.60 ROM.
I do think that "speed" depends more of free memory than OS. I've tried a lot of WM 6.1 and some are very fast, as the one I'm playing with now .
hi guys, i also agree with greatbal. I am on wm6.1, it is faster than wm6.
Especially on Core Player movie playback. stable and smooth.
For boot up speed, actually we can disable startup animation of HTC logo or something with schaps advance config, it will save about 5-8 seconds.
People on WM 6.1 that are finding it faster are you using anything (hacks, reg edits, etc...) for speed boosts of any kind?
One person said they found CRC's WM 6.1 faster than K's but I found it slower than K's...
esmith said:
People on WM 6.1 that are finding it faster are you using anything (hacks, reg edits, etc...) for speed boosts of any kind?
One person said they found CRC's WM 6.1 faster than K's but I found it slower than K's...
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I've used CRC's and Schaps Beta...I'm now using Pays 3.05 Lite...and it is VERY Fast and VERY stable...no speed hacks...no registry tweaks outside that are found in HTCustom.
Jim
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I've tried all WM6.1 roms out there, and i would say they're all faster than the WM6 roms i've used before.
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....untill they crash.
Faria
I had pays rom, and I think it was very slow and I need to frequently charge my battery. Now I am running on faria r32 and it is great. Stable and very fast. Only Internet explorer is little bit slower.
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I had pays rom, and I think it was very slow and I need to frequently charge my battery. Now I am running on faria r32 and it is great. Stable and very fast. Only Internet explorer is little bit slower.
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What radio are you using? I'm using Pays 3.05 and Radio 1.47...and I get excellent battery life...and the ROM seems snappy and responsive...and I have alot of programs running.
Jim
Newb-Tech-Realtor said:
What radio are you using? I'm using Pays 3.05 and Radio 1.47...and I get excellent battery life...and the ROM seems snappy and responsive...and I have alot of programs running.
Jim
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I use 1.54.30.10 radio. Circa a week I use faria and my battery is better than was on Schaps. (cca two days, but I everyday listen music with bth a2dp and browsing net with wifi). With pays I had to charge battery everyday, now I have to every two days at night).
6.1 is good if you like your ROMs lite. The more 3rd party apps, the slower, and buggier things get.
Most 3rd party apps weren't made to work perfectly with an unrealesed ver. of WM.
Fast for synching
exxi said:
Hey, Every WM 6.1 ROM I installed is really slow in reaction and menu.
Is that everyones experience ?
What am I doing wrong?
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I use CRC's ROM, very stable, very fast, especially for synching with ActiveSync!
I tried a few ROMs now and in my experience the WM6.1s I tried are all quicker in response than the WM6 versions. However, it does depend *alot* on the apps you load into them. Some apps have problems with WM6.1 and also the free resources of your Hermes do matter.
Try a light ROM and install nothing for starters, then step by step move your preferred apps in. You will notice the difference.
My two cents..
So, had my Hermes for several years now and tried many ROMs and UIs in that time.
Now we seem to have a two main choices for UI: Manila or Titanium.
I've found both of these UI's take up a lot of resources and they're buggy, especially the new fancy versions of Titanium and I'm having to soft-reset frequently which I find frustrating.
In order to get a cast iron, fast phone, I'm even considering flashing a modern ultralite ROM and putting HTC Home 2 on there.
Any other suggestions either as to:
1. A UI thats easy to install and doesn't take up masses of RAM
2. A ROM with a modern, none buggy version of Titanium/Manila which still have about 25M RAM?
i was using hermes for several months, bricked it and after several months i unbricked it. it is very usefull phone for me. but youre right. if i have to reset every here and there, its not a point.
recently i tested roms from lets say first 10 posts in this forum. tonight im going to install darkvisions 5.15 and add a few things that i miss. titanium launcher, i.e.
i hope that will satisfy me until i learn how to cook or untill somebody makes something better
No matter what the starter RAM is, open up the menu's and phone canvas and you're probably down by nearly 4M already.
Outlook and contacts seem pretty good, only about 1M for both.
Then Nimbuzz is a whopping 6M which is still better than running messenger and skype together.
Add on IE and its another 1.3 (not sure what opera is as my skills can't switch to mem usage without killing Opera )
So, for the basics its about 12-13M from the baseline
I've found TAI's version 14/15 pretty good so far around 23M free (with activesync running). Means, with my essential apps running, I'm around 10-11M free. Means I can still run Google maps, word etc ok.
It would be nice to have beautiful Manila or fancy Titanium (bug free) and about 20-23M free, just not found it yet. Any suggestions?
slowndes - I'm in the same place as you:
I'd got frustrated with my WM5 Hermes (SPV M3100) as Home2Pro and lovely community applets were rendering it slow, unstable and with poor battery life.
I tried several OEM ROMs and with/without custom ROMs on top; and then running Home2Pro. Certainly I get better performance with OEM ROM only.
But I now want PointSuite v2... And I think the "stripped" AT&T OEM ROM - used by many chefs - is still too "heavyweight" for my requirements. I'm still looking for a very light WM6.1 OEM.
And, after hours of hunting through these hallowed pages, I'm still looking.
Any ideas from anyone out there?
Since my last post, I'm downloading a couple of potential WM6.1 bare ROMs:
Black Satin - been around for a while now, but consistently good feedback;
CRC_r13.4_Naked_BigStorage - latest incarnation and offers a lot of space.
I'll road-test these over the coming few days, with Home2Pro and PointSense suite v2 on 'em; and I'll post my findings into this thread.
Oooo - installed CRC WM6.1 as per above; which, in its raw state, is a slick and sexy ROM.
And then I installed Home2Pro on top; plus my usual WiFi modem / Opera Mobile 9.7 / DinarSoft RAM optimisation applications.
(I've left off PointSense v2 Suite until 2.0.1.1 comes out - 2.0.0.4 has a few integrity issues it seems).
But I'm getting the lightning-fast speed and stability I've been looking for.
I am one very happy bunny. I recommend this. A lot.
I used to use whatever 6.1 ROM and install SBP mobile shell. Its pretty bulletproof, but not really that integrated into the phone, just a pretty surface.
I used Josh's SpringTime build pretty much for the entire summer, until I dropped my phone and the RED / GREEN buttons stopped working all the time. VERY WEIRD, but I decided to flash to FCW's new rom.
Its called Red Mist and its Build 23004.5.3.0 (according to the About screen). You can get it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=509194
I also installed PdG TouchFLO 2D dialer. It REALLY helps when you have big fingers. I have mis-dialed since. You can get it here.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=429179
I flashed the OEM Stripped rom first. I think it makes a difference.
My phone has not worked this well in a LONG time.
If you looking for WM 6.1 for me the most stable is faria.r32
now im with dark vision 5.0 the plathform is 6.5, but for 2 days i cant tell you nothing special about it just nice look, many apps
carcomp said:
I think it makes a difference.
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You think well - it really makes a difference
I'm in the same position as the first Poster. Now I trying all the Complete-Roms, then the Light ROMs with SPB Mobile Shell, PointUI, Manilla, Homescreen++, Wisbar Adcance, ..., and then hopefully have another ROM for the next Years, as Schaps ROMs was for me in the past.
Trial and Error....
Is there a thread/wiki with a comparative of free RAM from various ROMs? The xda-wiki one is quite outdated. How about all of us post the free RAM after a clean install + customizations + reset?
I'll start off first:
CRC_r13.4-naked / 5.2.20270 / WM6.1 - 26.86 MB
slowndes said:
...Now we seem to have a two main choices for UI: Manila or Titanium....
1. A UI thats easy to install and doesn't take up masses of RAM
2. A ROM with a modern, none buggy version of Titanium/Manila which still have about 25M RAM?
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Take also a look to other UIs which somtimes uses less memory:
Homescreen++ more Skins more Manilla Theme more more / Battery Status
ThrottleLauncher
UltimateLaunch
PointUI
iPhoneToday
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Does anything think they have the fastest Manila 2.5 ROM?
I'm trying to find one, that has fluent animations, quick response/no lag, but does not eat lots of RAM, 65% max.
Is this possible?
I'd prefer WinMo 6.5, but I've read (and personally found out) that WinMo 6.1 uses less RAM.
All the ROM's I've used use around 78-90% ram, which means I can't run any apps!
My Current ROm seems pretty good(Sun Y), but when some parts are a little laggy and stil uses quite a bit of RAM.
Think this will help alot of people if chefs try to work on a ROM like this. I know it's hard because looking for a Manila ROM is looking for a RAM eating ROM too but I'm sure it's possible, with lots of tweaking..
Oh and don't know if you've noticed on your diamonds, how annoying it is when you slide through contacts, sms, email inbox etc, that it's 'cutty' and laggy ,rather than the iphone style where its smooth and good feedback.
trying to find this in the ROM too.
GenghisKhan said:
Oh and don't know if you've noticed on your diamonds, how annoying it is when you slide through contacts, sms, email inbox etc, that it's 'cutty' and laggy ,rather than the iphone style where its smooth and good feedback.
trying to find this in the ROM too.
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the problem is, the iPhone OS was written FOR the iPhone. Eventuall iPhoneOS7 or whatever will come out and will require hardware far better than the iphone...it will never be ported becuase apple dont like that sort of thing.
Manilla 2.5 was NEVER supposed to run on the diamond...it just hasnt got the hardware to do it properly.
Manilla 2.1 works fine, no problems, fast as you like...this was ALSO never supposed to run on the diamond, but it's been ported successfully becuase the phones is WAS supposed to run on arent far off the diamond hardware wise.
2.5 doesnt
yet
also this may sound stupid but many ppl actually doesnt know how to use slider correctly...
we dont have that iphone glass screens we have resistive screens actually made for stylus. if u want to move it use little bit of nail and u see how smooth it scrolls
I have build a WM6.5 ROM with HTC Sense everything working 100%, Manila is very fast and and ROM is stable. You get 36mb free RAM on startup, you will never run out of RAM again! (with GPS software you may run out of RAM)
I will be releasing my ROM soon... You can follow the progress of the ROM on Twitter. (see my sig)
Dom1n8tr1x said:
I have build a WM6.5 ROM with HTC Sense everything working 100%, Manila is very fast and and ROM is stable. You get 36mb free RAM on startup, you will never run out of RAM again! (with GPS software you may run out of RAM)
I will be releasing my ROM soon... You can follow the progress of the ROM on Twitter. (see my sig)
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This sounds promising! I will be keeping an eye out!
GenghisKhan said:
I'm trying to find one, that has fluent animations, quick response/no lag, but does not eat lots of RAM, 65% max.
Is this possible?
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No. As simple as that.
Manila 2.5 consumes alot - because it can do alot - as soon as scrolling through a couple of pages, and it will increase to at least 75% on WM6.1 no matter how light it is. If you want Manila, just cope with that. If you can't, forget about Manila.
And please stop comparing WM devices with that iphone crap. That's two different worlds. That iphone thing has 10% of the features of a WM device, and it sucks as a cell phone (which it is also supposed to be - not just an mp3 player).
Dom1n8tr1x said:
I have build a WM6.5 ROM with HTC Sense everything working 100%, Manila is very fast and and ROM is stable. You get 36mb free RAM on startup, you will never run out of RAM again! (with GPS software you may run out of RAM)
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36mb free means 69% on startup. That's quite a few mb more than Kisja's 6.1 ROM with Sense 2.5, so I hope you'll be able to tune that down a bit And I recommend you to free up way more storage. 50mb on main storage is not much!
I'd love to test your ROM when it's out, I hope you'll get it all to come out nice! Keep up the work!
longice said:
No. As simple as that.
Manila 2.5 consumes alot - because it can do alot - as soon as scrolling through a couple of pages, and it will increase to at least 75% on WM6.1 no matter how light it is. If you want Manila, just cope with that. If you can't, forget about Manila.
And please stop comparing WM devices with that iphone crap. That's two different worlds. That iphone thing has 10% of the features of a WM device, and it sucks as a cell phone (which it is also supposed to be - not just an mp3 player).
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I'm not comparing how good the iphone is - if you ask me you'll find I'm rather against the iPhone and its over rated popularity. The only thing that I apreciate from the iphone is it's 3.5mm jack that so many phones fail to have, as well as smooth scrolling.
Never said the iphone was better than WM.
confused as h3ll
Two days of reading and no choice for my first CustomROM.
I have the Diamond from more than a year with the last HTC Rom and I like it very much... really fast (lightning) and responsive. The only problem is that I want to try something new, haven't decided yet 2.5 or 2.1 and 6.1 or 6.5 I guess I have to give it a try. So can you give me a point to start from, a Rom that you liked... for now I'm thinking of donsalari's roms but more reading to come.
Anyway I totally agree with longice's comment about the iPhone bullsh*ts
Benkos is allright...
But like I said It's hard to find one which will give you more RAM and have manila 2.5/wm6.5.
And SUN Y is good too.
I've found SUN Y's to be the one with most response as well as easthetics..
THe most fluent ROM i've used is NRG's, except so much RAM Is used you can't even use the camera and some points
PsychoTraining said:
Two days of reading and no choice for my first CustomROM.
I have the Diamond from more than a year with the last HTC Rom and I like it very much... really fast (lightning) and responsive. The only problem is that I want to try something new, haven't decided yet 2.5 or 2.1 and 6.1 or 6.5 I guess I have to give it a try. So can you give me a point to start from, a Rom that you liked... for now I'm thinking of donsalari's roms but more reading to come.
Anyway I totally agree with longice's comment about the iPhone bullsh*ts
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I've had great experinces with the Gen.Y ROM's, high recommended!
I'm currently tryin the SUN Y 6.1 rom with sense, and after a bit it can get very ram hungry, but that's mainly sense. I tried the 6.5 with sense and that was just rubbish, around 90% RAM after like 10 mins... Now i'm waiting on the RC2 of the SUN rom
This thread is gonna create flame.
Mod, please close it.
the fastest rom i ever used is 2.11 offical
but love cook rom and now 6.1 + TF3D 2.5
that my choose.
Deep Shining
It's a pity there are no more deepshining roms as they were the best, fast repsonsive and lots of memory to run apps, i have tried almost all the roms available and everytime I come back to deep shining 8.2.
Got to download the kitchen he release and have a go at updating to build 21876 and Sense UI 2.5
I'll be waiting ....
redhat37 said:
It's a pity there are no more deepshining roms as they were the best, fast repsonsive and lots of memory to run apps, i have tried almost all the roms available and everytime I come back to deep shining 8.2.
Got to download the kitchen he release and have a go at updating to build 21876 and Sense UI 2.5
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I'm waiting for U. I also used the Deepshining 8.2 and until now no other rom handled the speed and free ram better than this one.
sense 2.5 isn't a perfect port to diamond or diamond dose not have the necesary resrources to driveit right.I haven't seen one rom on the forum that has smooth sense 2.5 and when i say smooth i say like manila 1.X
If you want a fast and stable WinMo6.6 with Sense 2.1, find the DonSalari's Rom.
I've been looking and sometime even cooking some roms for a few years and this ROM was my choice.
WM6.1 is much faster and stable than 6.5. I also always wanted to stick with new 6.5.x builds, but then tried Gen.Y wm6.1. It's way faster and smoother, especially sense. Also ram usage is 10-20 percent lower.
Also, sense 2.1 seems to be way smoother than sense 2.5, especially seen right after soft reset, when it has to fully load tabs yet, so scrolling through tabs in 2.5 is not smooth
I have also tried allmost all of the roms on this site. Now i'm using the Shaks. P v4.30 ROM with wm6.1. It's a clean rom without manila and with all the originall HTC stuff + some additional applications. Now I'm using this Rom with spb ms 3.5.2.
The best wm6.5 i have tried is also the Don Salaris rom but it has some bugs and i have to soft-reset my device quite offten.
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The problema its not the RAM coz sense 2.5 lags badly on Blackstone with more ram then the diamond so what is the problem? the CPU could be? the port of sense 2.5 is bad?