I am using my Hermes as my primary phone, making about 10 phone calls per day, 20 minutes of browsing and PUSH MAIL for one account. I am connected to 3G network with HSDPA support. I am using stock 1300 mAh battery.
I was using Dvha v17 for long time and finishing my day with 40% battery and always thought this is how it should be.
I had some stability issues (lockups) and I have decided to upgrade the ROM.
First, I installed PDACorner v21. Stability of the system was great, no lockups anymore. But, in the middle of the day (about 4pm) my battery was empty. Switching to 2G left me with about 50% of the battery in the end of the day, but I don't like 2G because of the noise it makes to all speakers I am passing by.
Then I installed CRC v13, then PDACorner v23 and still had the same battery life.
This weekend I decided to try Dvha v21 (build 20721) and suddenly my battery is 40% at the end of the day with 3G HSDPA enabled!
On all ROMs I am installing the same set of programs and using the same mail account for push. The only difference is the Dvha is a big storage ROM, while all others I chose NRBSN.
I am always using Advanced Config and enable power management for all possible devices.
I also tried to upgrade radio ROM, but then had to downgrade back to 1.48 which is the best for me. No noticeable change in battery life with different radios.
Switching to 2G will dramatically improve battery life, leaving at least 50% on the end of the day. Disabling push will leave at least 70% on the end of the day.
Can anybody else confirm this? The difference is huge! It's about finish the day or not!
I found some posts saying that with push enabled, charging during the day is normal and usual for some people. I would agree, but now I am holding a device that is able to run all day long on HSDPA and with push enabled! I installed new version Dvha to confirm this.
It could be great if someone will find out what is different in Dvha ROM that improves battery life with push mail so drastically. Other ROMs are still more stable. With the new Dvha version I still have lockups and have to soft-reset at least once a day. I can't afford it with my primary phone. I need 100% stability during the day and I must admit that both PDACorner and CRC NRBSN ROMs are very much stable (thank you, chefs).
P.S. My next experiment will be installing the first non big storage Dvha ROM, which is Dvha v22, build 20748. I want to know if it's related to the big storage.
MRH 8.4 and Faria
I have tested all the ROMS put on successively here. My usage is similar to yours. However, I find Faria Puttingham ROM and MRH 8.4 as best stable roms. CRC gives problems and PDAVIET is just trash for my HERMIS. Rebooting several times means losing data and does not make sense.
Coming to PDA CormerPRO they are as good as MRH. since MRH has stopped development, PDAcoerner is the ROM to stick or just go back to Faria for long battery life. I use HERMIS 300 that is Tmobile MDA vario II. So there may be subtle differences in functioning.
I never got problems with 2G dialer either on my Tmobile MDA. I do not know 3G as this service is not available in my area.
what is the best dialer by the way? that has history and speed dial bottons? thanks
rocksolid
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Have a jasjam here, constantly on 3g, with active sync to 2k7, about 10-20 3 minute calls, running on 1.56.70.11 radio, not that much browsing as I only reply to emails, 20 SMS a day, etc.
My battery last a day, at night time I have to plug my phone in charger and ready for the next day.
I run SPB phone suite and mobile shell, with Yahoo! Go, palringo for IM, and yeah with a windows mobile device, and running it as heavy as I am making calls, push email and listening to music while driving home really .. no biggie. It is kinda expected, I may try and find if there is any extended batteries for the hermes I can use.
PS, my day starts at 5 a.m. finishes at 9 p.m.
zocster said:
Have a jasjam here, constantly on 3g, with active sync to 2k7, about 10-20 3 minute calls, running on 1.56.70.11 radio, not that much browsing as I only reply to emails, 20 SMS a day, etc.
My battery last a day, at night time I have to plug my phone in charger and ready for the next day.
I run SPB phone suite and mobile shell, with Yahoo! Go, palringo for IM, and yeah with a windows mobile device, and running it as heavy as I am making calls, push email and listening to music while driving home really .. no biggie. It is kinda expected, I may try and find if there is any extended batteries for the hermes I can use.
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What is your ROM? Do you have stock battery?
ochakov said:
What is your ROM? Do you have stock battery?
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My only ROMs so far that I like are CRC and PDA corner on my signature both had the same results
as i known on technical hardware, if we have device an old for 2 years and never change stock battery. we have lost half past more during a day. cause it's not just software related, but hardware also
The main power draws are the old 3G chispset and the backlight on the screen.
Theres only so much you can do with software, this being, as said, a 2year old phone.
1. This is not hardware related question, since I am using the same device for testing. It's one day with one ROM empty the battery before 4pm, the other day with DVHA it will finish the day with 40% left.
2. I am now on DVHA v22 - non-BS version. This is the first DVHA non-BS ROM. It's 6pm now and I have 40% left. This is still better than other ROMs, but worse than DVHA v21 which was BS (I am not sure this is related).
3. I am going to try PDACorner v24 big storage. This will be the first time I install BS version for ROM having also non-BS one (I hate big storage). I will try it on the first day it will be out of beta.
4. My device is JasJam, which is Herm100. Is there any differences in 3G module between different modifications? If so, it can explain a lot...
ochakov said:
1. This is not hardware related question, since I am using the same device for testing. It's one day with one ROM empty the battery before 4pm, the other day with DVHA it will finish the day with 40% left.
2. I am now on DVHA v22 - non-BS version. This is the first DVHA non-BS ROM. It's 6pm now and I have 40% left. This is still better than other ROMs, but worse than DVHA v21 which was BS (I am not sure this is related).
3. I am going to try PDACorner v24 big storage. This will be the first time I install BS version for ROM having also non-BS one (I hate big storage). I will try it on the first day it will be out of beta.
4. My device is JasJam, which is Herm100. Is there any differences in 3G module between different modifications? If so, it can explain a lot...
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For the most part BS roms use slightly more power, and compressed roms even more so.
No, the different Hermes models are just different front facing camera's
veyka said:
For the most part BS roms use slightly more power, and compressed roms even more so.
No, the different Hermes models are just different front facing camera's
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yes I will have to agree with the BS stuff, as with non BS of pda corner and was on CRC's 11.2 I didn't experience any fast draining of what a BS of PCpro or any other roms for that matter.
i usually just view i dont post ...but i had to add in on this i only picked pvdvh full v18 because it had the lowest idle %, and i regret every second of making this decision. ever since this rom has hijacked my phone, i have tried about 12 roms since ive gotten this phone, and none of them have underperformed like v18 it had a "phone off" bug, where it wont let me turn the phone function on..i have to reset constantly, i have constant freezes, i can no longer use my usb connection to pc for some reason, and i seem to lose battery power at a rate of 1% every 2-3 minutes or so if the screen is lit. on the lowest setting . i believe my only option now since i cant pc connect, i have to get a card reader and load an sd autorun just to get this off of my dopod. i hope it hasnt done any perm damage
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i usually just view i dont post ...but i had to add in on this i only picked pvdvh full v18 because it had the lowest idle %, and i regret every second of making this decision. ever since this rom has hijacked my phone, i have tried about 12 roms since ive gotten this phone, and none of them have underperformed like v18 it had a "phone off" bug, where it wont let me turn the phone function on..i have to reset constantly, i have constant freezes, i can no longer use my usb connection to pc for some reason, and i seem to lose battery power at a rate of 1% every 2-3 minutes or so if the screen is lit. on the lowest setting . i believe my only option now since i cant pc connect, i have to get a card reader and load an sd autorun just to get this off of my dopod. i hope it hasnt done any perm damage
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As with all roms, your mileage may differ, if that roms not so good for you, flash another.
veyka said:
As with all roms, your mileage may differ, if that roms not so good for you, flash another.
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good idea, thanks
Power consumption based on storage schema
If you run testing on different ROMs with a standard usage pattern (voice calls, SMS, Push...) using the same Radio set to 2G the difference will be the OS itself.
The part of the OS that makes a difference for battery drain is the way the storage is accessed, either directly (ROM/SDFlash) or from live RAM.
When the ROM is accessed it has to get powered and since it is slow the CPU has to be clocked longer not to mention that if data are compressed (RBSC)the CPU has to decompress the content before it's of any use. This may not be a huge difference but when you repeat this cycle half a million times it ads up to a lot more power drain - Same thing goes for the SD-Flash except these are rarely compressed.
The time-proven workaround is to set aside a region of fast RAM to shadow content from the power hungry non-volatile storage.
The bottom line of power drain is a trade off between Free-RAM size vs. DSK caching. The best of both world solution may be to run a cache resized automagically (HLM\System\StorageManager\FATFS\DataCache=0 and FATCache=0). The OS caches all it needs in RAM and automatically writes dirty pages to storage in the background or when more RAM is needed to run your programs.
Actually the above automatic cache schema is not the best solution for our phones. To further increase your battery life you need to hardset your cache size so WM does not have to keep resizing all its different caches non stop!
The big plus with hardset cache size is the RAM free space won't become as fragmented so WM will be less unstable.
Interesting Cache size settings are one of 512, 1024, 2048, 4096 in number of sectors... the RAM usage is only half that (2048 sectors fit in 1MB of RAM). Logically you want to keep a smaller FAT cache ratio for the Data it's pointing to. If it's too small you will get cache missed and data will get fetched from storage.
Now you can set your own preferences based on your needs and be your own chef: more free RAM for large programs Apps. or longer battery span.
Is that empowering to tweak your favorite ROM?
After about a week with DVHA v22, I switched to PDACorner v25
It's 2:40pm now and my battery is empty.
Same device, same battery, same programs, same emails...
Everything is the same - the ROM is different. It was 40% battery left at the end of the day with DVHA, now it's empty in the middle of the day.
Any thoughts?
sanfrenchysco said:
If you run testing on different ROMs with a standard usage pattern (voice calls, SMS, Push...) using the same Radio set to 2G the difference will be the OS itself.
The part of the OS that makes a difference for battery drain is the way the storage is accessed, either directly (ROM/SDFlash) or from live RAM.
When the ROM is accessed it has to get powered and since it is slow the CPU has to be clocked longer not to mention that if data are compressed (RBSC)the CPU has to decompress the content before it's of any use. This may not be a huge difference but when you repeat this cycle half a million times it ads up to a lot more power drain - Same thing goes for the SD-Flash except these are rarely compressed.
The time-proven workaround is to set aside a region of fast RAM to shadow content from the power hungry non-volatile storage.
The bottom line of power drain is a trade off between Free-RAM size vs. DSK caching. The best of both world solution may be to run a cache resized automagically (HLM\System\StorageManager\FATFS\DataCache=0 and FATCache=0). The OS caches all it needs in RAM and automatically writes dirty pages to storage in the background or when more RAM is needed to run your programs.
Actually the above automatic cache schema is not the best solution for our phones. To further increase your battery life you need to hardset your cache size so WM does not have to keep resizing all its different caches non stop!
The big plus with hardset cache size is the RAM free space won't become as fragmented so WM will be less unstable.
Interesting Cache size settings are one of 512, 1024, 2048, 4096 in number of sectors... the RAM usage is only half that (2048 sectors fit in 1MB of RAM). Logically you want to keep a smaller FAT cache ratio for the Data it's pointing to. If it's too small you will get cache missed and data will get fetched from storage.
Now you can set your own preferences based on your needs and be your own chef: more free RAM for large programs Apps. or longer battery span.
Is that empowering to tweak your favorite ROM?
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Arent you too smart not to cook ?
ochakov said:
After about a week with DVHA v22, I switched to PDACorner v25
It's 2:40pm now and my battery is empty.
Same device, same battery, same programs, same emails...
Everything is the same - the ROM is different. It was 40% battery left at the end of the day with DVHA, now it's empty in the middle of the day.
Any thoughts?
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Yep, I hear you mate! That's why I said:"If you run testing on different ROMs with a standard usage pattern (voice calls, SMS, Push...) using the same Radio set to 2G the difference will be the ROM OS image itself.
The part of the OS that makes the most difference for battery drain is the way the storage is accessed: either directly (ROM/SDFlash) or from live RAM."
Luckily I have some solutions ... but this will require manual reg. surgery on a per ROM basis until it gets integrated directly in the ROM builds (combination of PwrMgt fixes and ROM access avoidance for the most part).
Last weekend I spent half day poking around the UI while at the same time playing MP3 non-stop. After 6 hours I still had around 60% bat. I think I have the Reg tweaks for "long-life battery"
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Last weekend I spent half day poking around the UI while at the same time playing MP3 non-stop. After 6 hours I still had around 60% bat. I think I have the Reg tweaks for "long-life battery"
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Glad to have U on the Hermes forum! This sounds very interesting and Looking forward to your WM OS tweaks knowledge...
anryl said:
Arent you too smart not to cook ?
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You have a real good point but I don't know how to make my own sandwich...
If I am pleased with what is in the ROM, why try to cook my own when I don't know exactly how it's done?
Instead I fix the installed base ROM with my own performance tweaks. At this point I believe this is the most productive way for the user community instead of having one more cook competing for the best ROM combination of Apps.
I shall post my Long-life battery tweaks which by the way yields performance improvements through less ROM access.
On another note, the SDCard issues people are having may be caused by the SD internal wear-leveling logic relocating blocks thus scrambling cached FAT...
I will post on all the above once I can contribute sure fixes.
SF/.
sanfrenchysco said:
You have a real good point but I don't know how to make my own sandwich...
If I am pleased with what is in the ROM, why try to cook my own when I don't know exactly how it's done?
Instead I fix the installed base ROM with my own performance tweaks. At this point I believe this is the most productive way for the user community instead of having one more cook competing for the best ROM combination of Apps.
I shall post my Long-life battery tweaks which by the way yields performance improvements through less ROM access.
On another note, the SDCard issues people are having may be caused by the SD internal wear-leveling logic relocating blocks thus scrambling cached FAT...
I will post on all the above once I can contribute sure fixes.
SF/.
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Would you mind posting up what you have for us to have a play around with?
Even though the app looks great it is very unstable. I installed it on my XDA Orbit (same as HTC P3300, Cruiser, T-Mobile III,). I used Artemis USPL before I installed Manila 2D v33 and the following problems persist;
1. Active Sync always on
2. MMS Issues (doesnt work)
3. Cannot control or manipulate the today screen or touch flo as to how I want it.
4. Had to install TomTom usning a seperate CAB eventhough its installed on my phone already. I think by having to do this its overloading my memory.
5. Battery drains rapidly especially when I'm using the phone.
6. No lock function
7. Limited Weather locations (looks cool though)
8. Pointer is always on no way to turn it off.
If anyone can help me fix these issues I would really appreciate it. I feel that this app is a huge memory hog and thats why the battery keeps draining rapidly and causing my phone to crash.
try a re-flash!
yes first try to flash it again.. or try the YuE v11.3 with manila..
for MMS i think all have a problem with it in all manila ROM on artemis.. don't know the answer
for costumixing the manila you have to install the M2DC
for battary drain try another radio.
that all i know for these and may help you
cheers
Already done
I have already done a re-flash about 3 times but have not tried a different radio. Now that I remember I noticed this when I put SPB shell on my phone that the battery was draining but not no where near as fast as when I put on Manila 2d. Please more responses would be appreciated.
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yes first try to flash it again.. or try the YuE v11.3 with manila..
for MMS i think all have a problem with it in all manila ROM on artemis.. don't know the answer
for costumixing the manila you have to install the M2DC
for battary drain try another radio.
that all i know for these and may help you
cheers
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btw, as i can see in your signature, you are using the same rom version and radio as i am. what can you tell me about the battery drain on your phone? mine is having (abnormal for me!) high drain with this rom, though i reflashed it and tried another radio (3.18.90, even higher as with 3.21.90 i'm back on now).. especially when using the phon such as typing sms or making calls, but also in standby i'm loosing battery power as never before...
well i use radio 3.21.90 just for two days.. i was using 3.08.90
but with the new radio my battary drain is normal.. specially i have an old battary (bad one)
now it's been about 12-18 hours since the last time i charged...and a few calls, wifi and use.. and now the battary is 81%
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The telephone app of the Hero is very laggy and slow. Is it posibble to give this app a higher priority and keep it in memory?
What Rom are you using and how many 3rd party apps you got installed?
I have never had any trouble with this lagging?
Ive got a stock rom from sep. 09 and a lot of apps installed.
It lasts a second or two till the telephone screen is visible and when i hang up, it lasts also 2 seconds til it shows the "hanged up" status. Its in other clean roms like vilian, too.
Stock rom is the suck. I had oh so much trouble with skipping music until I upgraded to one of the fine 2.1 roms available in this forum. Latest aHero.
(Large) delays between 'phone actions' and the OS is part of the platform.
Like any other Qualcomm 72xx device there is a separate CPU that handles all the cellphone traffic (the radio-rom). It communicates with the real CPU and the real OS (Android in this case, but exactly the same with WinMo) through shared memory routines.
This communication is simply laggy. The OS really can't do more than display the status changes as fast as possible, but it will still feel laggy because the radio gives the signal too late.
Certain ROMs do their best, and it depends on how 'tuned in' to a specific radio version a ROM is, but there will always be a delay between 'call ended' and 'incoming call' and that kind of stuff.
I'm running the latest version of energy rom and I find the phone to be painfully slow on wake up. Sometimes it'll wake up and be fine, others it'll practically freeze for ~10 seconds before becoming usable. Rotation can also be a problem, I was using gyrator-2 but I thought it may have been slowing the phone down. I removed it but it's still a bit sluggish changing from portrait to landscape and back. Also total commander seems to take a good ~10 seconds to start initially, though works fine as long as I don't close it again.
Compared to my roommates phone (HTC Desire) this thing is a pig, his phone is almost instantaneous doing anything but mine takes significantly longer to open and use. Quite annoying when I want to quickly grab someones number, or write a note down but I have to stand there waiting and waiting
I've tried overclocking it to 730mhz which helps but still not by a significant margin
Any suggestions? I've tried running android on it and that is actually faster than winmo, though my bluetooth doesn't work so it's out
You really cannot compare to desire as desire comes with 1ghz processor and android. WinMo is always slow.
I found that the the stock sense without cookie is more responsive than with cookie home tab. So that's what i am runnign now. In addition, it seems to has less of problem of slowing down after awhile of use.
if you really need a faster phone, I guess go with stock titanium would be an option but then you will loose all of the sense features.
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I'm running the latest version of energy rom and I find the phone to be painfully slow on wake up. Sometimes it'll wake up and be fine, others it'll practically freeze for ~10 seconds before becoming usable. Rotation can also be a problem, I was using gyrator-2 but I thought it may have been slowing the phone down. I removed it but it's still a bit sluggish changing from portrait to landscape and back. Also total commander seems to take a good ~10 seconds to start initially, though works fine as long as I don't close it again.
Compared to my roommates phone (HTC Desire) this thing is a pig, his phone is almost instantaneous doing anything but mine takes significantly longer to open and use. Quite annoying when I want to quickly grab someones number, or write a note down but I have to stand there waiting and waiting
I've tried overclocking it to 730mhz which helps but still not by a significant margin
Any suggestions? I've tried running android on it and that is actually faster than winmo, though my bluetooth doesn't work so it's out
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First of all, pick a ROM that isn't THAT resource heavy as your current one. You couldn't go more wrong if you're up for speed.
If you still need more speed I suggest that you try a Sense 2.1 ROM.
not entirely sure what i've done but I managed to speed it up quite a bit by just fiddling with some settings. Which make absolutely no sense because it's things like turning animations to 'full' rather than 'off'
Also using the smaller clock, no flip animation, removing both side tabs and just leaving the main one, changing the default wallpaper, changing some sound settings and other minor things which shouldn't actually make any difference but do
As a benchmark @ stock speed, it's now waking up instantly 90% of the time,
lockscreen to sense takes 0.8 seconds
moving from portrait to landscape is 1.5 seconds
opera mini takes 1.0 seconds
Internet explorer w/ flash 9 to fully usable 5.0 seconds
going from anything back to sense 1-2 seconds
taking a phone call, once I answer it takes ~2.0 seconds to allow me to hit the speakerphone button (only part I wish was faster)
Could I still expect a significant improvement with a different ROM?
I quite like the layout I have now with a smaller clock, appointments and 3 rows of quicklinks and no side tabs. If I can keep a similiar layout and have it going faster and a bit more stable (have had to remove battery a few times, annoying) then i'll go with that
If so could I please ask for a recommendation? as i'm still new to this phone, as well as a program that will backup all my current contacts, messages, photos and appointments
edit: and while i'm at is, is there any way to remove the sliding section at the bottom that contains home, mail, contacts, internet, settings etc? I never use it and it's just taking up space