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Excuse my stupidity

I recently purchased an 8525 and stumbled on to this fantastic site.
It's like a kid in a candy store. Unfortunately I have no idea the language you speak but want to learn where can I get a crash course on all this?
I am stunned by the level of features that you all apparently have and I want them too. So if someone could guide me to kindergarten class it would be appreciated.

dewcrewboosman said:
I recently purchased an 8525 and stumbled on to this fantastic site.
It's like a kid in a candy store. Unfortunately I have no idea the language you speak but want to learn where can I get a crash course on all this?
I am stunned by the level of features that you all apparently have and I want them too. So if someone could guide me to kindergarten class it would be appreciated.
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before you get flammed - I'd suggest looking through a few posts to get an idea what you want to do, and learn the structure of what you have to work with.
Options:
Install customizations on your currently installed operating system
Reflash to a custom OS
Build your own custom OS
Upgrade to a newer Radio
Install custom first and second splash screens
But if you do any flashing - read the Wiki and INSTALL HARDSPL FIRST!!!!

dewcrewboosman said:
I recently purchased an 8525 and stumbled on to this fantastic site.
It's like a kid in a candy store. Unfortunately I have no idea the language you speak but want to learn where can I get a crash course on all this?
I am stunned by the level of features that you all apparently have and I want them too. So if someone could guide me to kindergarten class it would be appreciated.
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I agree with mattk_r look around before you start asking questions you have found the right section so your on the right path. Your 8525 is a Hearms model made by HTC. if your on the OS it shipped with then your using WM5 A lot of the people around here have had 20 versions of WM6 flashed to their units. So before you try to flash READ,READ, READ everything you need to know is in "XDA-Wiki" and as stated above, before you try anything make sure you "hard spl" your device ,don't ask me what that is go to Wiki and find out everything you need to know is there. If you don't then you are going to find out what the term "Brick" means and you don't want to no that.Good luck and welcome to the club

read read read. There's always new roms coming out. Watch one and follow it along and see how bugs get worked out. I read and watched for about a month before i finally tried one.

When you do actually decide to flash a new ROM, you should definately check out Mr. Vanx's site. His walk-throughs are top-notch.

Before you do anything ake sure you have Hard SPL on your device. You'll find it in the Hermes Upgrading forum. After that you should be good to play. I spent a few months reading different threads just to see what everyone was talking about. It did me a world of good because I knew the terms and roughly what to do.

Hi...also, check out the well done new member intro (by stevebonning) here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325748

Thanks for being gentle on me. I will read, read, read as suggested.
Again all of you guys and gals are freakin amazing as I read thru these I am impressed by your creativity and ingenuity to work around programs.

Could Anyone help?

Hiya everybody!
I would love if someone could give me directions on where I can get good ROMs for flashing my brand new Artemis...
I'm brazilian, but I'm looking for a ROM in english with the best functions that people could get together....
I'm totally new to modding in here, tho I'm sorta pro in modding Motorola's MotoMING phone (my last one)
So if anyone could help me with directions of a newbie guide, I'd be glad....
I could write a newbie guide myself later on....when I lose the newbie status LOL

Check here for tips http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=362
There are also quite a number or ROMs in there too.
Although I would definately recommend this one.. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=365312 .. great speed, very light so you can add all your own apps and customize it how you like. Generally speakingm, after flashing alot of ROMs to my Orbit, I tend to stick with Meschle's ROMs and usually stick to his latest Vanilla. Although as I say there are alot of others, depends what your looking for from the ROM.
Any other questions Id be glad to help. I also have quite a collection of prgrams n customiations n stuff if your looking anything.

Thanks a lot for the hand!
It surely will come handy! I got the USPL to go over the CID locking system....
The carrier problem can be solved by the carrier itself, at least nowadays.....
To tell the truth, I'm in need of some tutorials on the best programs to have, what kind of stuff fits well in it...
I work with game design, and I'm starting to develop on python....I was wondering if there is anyway to run python programs in it too...
Last but not least, how much knowledge is necessary to work with Artemis?!?!!? LOL

Hmm unfortunately I dont do programming n such, i think you probably be better off asking those questions in the artemis developement / hacking section

If you were to develop Pocket PC applications, you may use eVC (free) or VS2005/8 (more expensive)
No idea about pythons.
How much knowledge? Probably nothing or as much as it is needed to read english. All you need is to experience and experiment to learn.
Regards,
Carty..

@fubofo
Thanks for answering again, man! I know that not everyone is a fan of programming stuff....
I got the ROM you said you were using and I'm gonna flash it today...hope it works and I don't end with a 15 hundred bucks brick....
@Carty
When I said knowledge, I ment time spent studying stuff made for it and etc...but still the ability to read english is way too complex for some people in my country....
I'll take a look at the eVC and see what can be done in it....
I have Eclipse's SDK and Visual Studio 2008 here....any of them is good for it?

Touch Flo ROM for TyTN

Hey guys
Was just wondering if it was possible to find a Touch Flo ROM for a TyTN?
Saw the new Touch last night, think the interface is very interesting, would like to try it out
Thanks alot for any replies!!!

randomguy321 said:
Hey guys
Was just wondering if it was possible to find a Touch Flo ROM for a TyTN?
Saw the new Touch last night, think the interface is very interesting, would like to try it out
Thanks alot for any replies!!!
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If you had searched you would have found ...... this quite accessible ... the only ROM that comes with one is .... this ...
But I think you need to do a fair bit more reading and searching before you go ahead and flashing stuff if you think touchflo is a ROM

Hehehe, thanks alot Zocster...Believe it or not, i did actually search and ive been reading alot of posts! Im not 1 of those forum idiots who randomly posts messages without reading anything...
However, i am TOTALLY new to this world! I decided to ditch the trusty old cell phone and move to a pocket pc/pda phone whatever you wanna call it I have decided on a TyTN and am now getting into the world of cooked ROMs and all the stuff you guys know all about
Im learning!!!

randomguy321 said:
Hehehe, thanks alot Zocster...Believe it or not, i did actually search and ive been reading alot of posts! Im not 1 of those forum idiots who randomly posts messages without reading anything...
However, i am TOTALLY new to this world! I decided to ditch the trusty old cell phone and move to a pocket pc/pda phone whatever you wanna call it I have decided on a TyTN and am now getting into the world of cooked ROMs and all the stuff you guys know all about
Im learning!!!
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Awesome, is it definitely an HTC Tytn then? not any other variants? just curious

No no, plain old HTC TyTN im from South Africa, so thats our variant out here

randomguy321 said:
No no, plain old HTC TyTN im from South Africa, so thats our variant out here
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I seeI have an imate jasjam, so yeah you have a front camera I presume you would want to make video calls too then, so may be that ROM i mentioned not for you as it doesn't have video calling dial pad cooked in.

To be brutally honest, Ive had a Sony Ericsson K800i for a year and a half now and have NEVER used the video calling feature Our networks are rather unstable and its expensive, so why bother Im just looking for a fast, reliable ROM

randomguy321 said:
To be brutally honest, Ive had a Sony Ericsson K800i for a year and a half now and have NEVER used the video calling feature Our networks are rather unstable and its expensive, so why bother Im just looking for a fast, reliable ROM
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Let me see then ... you have ten or so ROMs to try out took me two months to go through about 30 from pays, tnt, binky11s, now crc and pdacorner as my favs. You need to know what works for you, make sure you read the wiki, you don't want to kill your new toy ey ...
Welcome by the way .. saw it was your second post oh by the way, go the wallabies, even though i live in new zealand! hehe .. and this is for the trinations!

Much obliged Zocster!!!
Thanks alot for your help...I know that forum noobs are often ignored or flamed lol!!!
The problem i have is being a complete newcomer to this stuff...I honestly dont know where to start, I was hoping there would be a poll with "your favorite ROM" or something, then at least id have somewhere to start

randomguy321 said:
Much obliged Zocster!!!
Thanks alot for your help...I know that forum noobs are often ignored or flamed lol!!!
The problem i have is being a complete newcomer to this stuff...I honestly dont know where to start, I was hoping there would be a poll with "your favorite ROM" or something, then at least id have somewhere to start
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Sorry mate, honestly, ... trying it yourself is the only way you can judge, read the wiki, and try out different roms, as i said what is good for me may not be good for you. So go try them all out and make up your mind from experience. I have had my phone for two months and I have been through honestly about 20 or so roms before i made up my mind, each chefs have got their own style and yeah you need to determine what style suits you.

Thanks alot, will definitely do so
One more question...In my research on the P4350 which uses the 200mhz OMAP cpu, i read that there is an app to overclock (and declock) the device, does the TyTN have a similar app??

randomguy321 said:
Thanks alot, will definitely do so
One more question...In my research on the P4350 which uses the 200mhz OMAP cpu, i read that there is an app to overclock (and declock) the device, does the TyTN have a similar app??
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If you want to keep your device for another couple of years, then no, it is not recommended. it is doable, but it would not be doing your device any favour.

Well since the reviews i read all said the TyTN is powerful enough, im actually more interested in declocking the device when i dont need the power, to save battery life

randomguy321 said:
Well since the reviews i read all said the TyTN is powerful enough, im actually more interested in declocking the device when i dont need the power, to save battery life
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hmm, you need to try the roms available, and once you get applications such as BT GPS, BT Stereo, MP3 etc going, plus the touchflo extension you mentioned, it ain't all that powerful.
These chefs have done their best to make the most out of a device that is 2 years old. so ... yeah it isn't that powerful, but yes you will determine that when you have run a couple of things on the hermes have fun, ...

Starbase has the cab on his 4shared site. I have had it before, but find it useless, the touchflo that schaps has is better for finger scrolling and quick landscape mode switches however.

Good to see more South Africans here. (From South Africa myself). As Zocster said, just try the roms out. Been flashing my TyTN at least once a week. Just remember to Hard-SPL first.

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Just remember to Hard-SPL first.
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Glad someone remembered.....

lol thanks guys!!!
Been reading the guides and the wikis, will definitely hardSPL first

first of all make hardspl ! it is the first thing you need to flash into your tytn....what you meen about -toch flo- ? many component may be instaled on any rom. personaly I use 3ppc.net russian 6.1 rom, whith htc home today plugin (one part of tochflo) included. for finger scroling I use ftochFlo, cube not use at all - personaly I found it useless....(anyway - there are some custom cube on 'hacking and developing' section of developers, as for me it much better than original.)

about overclock. sumsung procesors (which use tytn) is wery bad in frequency control. looks like time generator somehow connected whith main frequency - when you changing it, a lot of bugs appear....for example - if you overclocked cpu, you will notice that music/video/e.t.c. will run more fast that it needed. no need to worry about cpu power consumtion - it low anyway for samsung cpu. much more buttary will eat 3g, wifi, backlight e.t.c.

windows mobile on htc desire? possible? worthwhile ?

Hi, as I am not overly fond of the android operating system,
is the hardware such that you could flash a 6.5 windows mobile rom onto the desire?
is it worthwhile trying?

It is impossible, android is open source and thus can be modified to run on diffrent hardware, windows mobile isnt, plus we have diff bootloaders to winmo phones so a flash wud be impossible
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

Do people literally NEVER use the search feature then?
How many people are going to post the same ridiculously foolish question?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=693158
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=697718
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6731090
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=677930
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=675647
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=6183231
Use the bloody search.

its not a foolish question, i have been active on various sections of xda developers forums and have contributed and gained from each of them, tinkering with a variety of models, I was thinking of buying a desire but wanted to see just how much I can mess with it first .
I have found the majority of people on these forums to be helpful and whilst I understand your frustration, I will be new to this part of the site. And with so many threads its not always easy to find exactly what your looking for
What differs in the hardware to make it impossible? is it just partitioning of the space on the phone? surely if someone wrote a bootloader it would be possible?

If you want to dual boot, you might want to get a HD2 instead, my understanding is that the android rom is in developement.
The desire is pretty much a pure Anroid phone, im not sure that there would be much demand to get winmo workingon it since most people have switched from winmo out of choice and don't really feel the need to go back, but thats just my slant on it. crazier things have happened on this forum.

For starters the drivers were written using the android open source project, every single driver for every tiny piece of hardware would habe to be rewritten lol
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

i have read your other posts and understand your frustrations but the whole reason I buy each model is to see how much I can mess with it
would be interesting to see such development in the ROM developement section
but if there is a technical reason why its impossible ( apart from the lack of SPL)
then someone please tell me, as I have not brought the handset yet hehe
what I always say is where there is a will there is a way
as for why ? i dont know... just to see if it can be broken - whats the point in having system you cant break or change Zzzzz
although I do appreciate somethings are impossible.
Can some one explain (if any) the differences in hardware from the hd2 to the desire that will make this task impossile ?
would be much appreciated xxx thanks

I doubt it'd be impossible - but it's take a huge ammount of R&D and developers on here don't have that sort of time/money to undertake such a task...
Just get an HD2 if you want WinMo (can buy my old one if you want? )

The rock bottom is it wud be illegal, it would be in violation of microsofts intelectual rights and for that matter is neva gunna happen here, when we owned windows phones we bought a licence to use windows mobile, with our desire we get no such licence, this would also make it piracy
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

With that argument surely baking and distributing custom ROMs would also be illegal? Do that on a Windows PC and you'd get sued!!
But yeah, agree with you

Microsoft have tried to shut xda dwn for that reason many times, but they have always backed down, if a project lyk this was started on a non winmo phone i guarantee they wudnt
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

bungle2k3 said:
its not a foolish question
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It is when it's been asked and answered multiple times. Being such a long standing XDA user you'd think you'd have had a gander at the rules by now or at least attempt to adhere to them.
bungle2k3 said:
And with so many threads its not always easy to find exactly what your looking for
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The 6 posts I posted were found with a single search of "Windows Mobile, Desire" up in that search box you completely ignored. So, yes, it is easy...you just didn't even try.

EddyOS said:
With that argument surely baking and distributing custom ROMs would also be illegal?
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Android is open source...Windows Mobile isn't.

I have seen many questions asking if windows mobile can be ported to the desire. But this post explains it better than any other why it can't.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Aitese said:
Android is open source...Windows Mobile isn't.
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That's what I meant, Microsoft sueing chefs for distributing custom WinMo ROMs...I know Android doesn't matter

Aitese said:
It is when it's been asked and answered multiple times. Being such a long standing XDA user you'd think you'd have had a gander at the rules by now or at least attempt to adhere to them.
The 6 posts I posted were found with a single search of "Windows Mobile, Desire" up in that search box you completely ignored. So, yes, it is easy...you just didn't even try.
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Aitese, I do understand your frustration, multiple posts are a no no yes, but I was putting a different slant on it. ie I didnt really grasp from the other threads technically what was stopping us from achieving this task so thats not stupid in my opinion and hasnt been broken down in major detail. My curiosity is that the HD2 and desire seem exactly the same in terms of hardware, yet people suggest that swapping operating systems is impossible.
however, I do now accept that it may not be worth doing
but none of the previous threads seem to explain why that is in any great technical detail (no doubt ul find this now haha), at least now we have discovered whats stopping some one from doing it.
ps I reserve all right to be a lazy noob, to my knowledge I have not broken any other forum rules, as this is not exactly a double post, similar subject yes but if anything this thread would save a curious person like myself from attempting something that might be infringement ..
at least now I wont try

EddyOS said:
I doubt it'd be impossible - but it's take a huge ammount of R&D and developers on here don't have that sort of time/money to undertake such a task...
Just get an HD2 if you want WinMo (can buy my old one if you want? )
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.. how much ; )
ps what varies from the desire to the hd2 in terms of hardware
looks like nowt

love this thread!
ive been trying to get away from my touch HD to android - had to go via a free HD2 upgrade to get here......trust me, windows needs a major overall to tempt me to go back

thats what everybody says .. but my curiosity is that in terms of hardware specs the hd2 and the desire look the same, apart from a bit more ram on the desire ?!?
so... er ... why would the drivers vary that much ?
pls be patient with me I just like messing with stuff
on further playing with android I must say it does seem to have the edge over win mob

persisting with this annoying thread (sorry guys) but what is to stop me using mtty to format my device and flashing the hd2 stock rom to the desire?
ie what would the compatibilty issues be? (as by looks of it hardware is the same give or take a bit of extra ram)
could this be done, and would it just be a case of using a tweaked RUU that would ignore the model number? would this work?
I am guessing the buttons would have to be remapped but what other compatibilty issues would there be ? basically is it possible or is the file structure totally different in a way that would not allow it?
(ps sorry if its something obvious and im making myself look a dummy but from what I can see the HD2 and the Desire are very similar in spec)

does this site still allow questions/threads/discussions about pocketpcs?

i know 2008 was 13 years ago and no website stays the same forever, but i know y'all used to be all about that kinda stuff back in the day, and considering how inactive other handheld computer/pocketpc communities are these days i figured i'd try my luck here.
so yeah. does this site allow questions about palmtops/handheld pcs/WinMo devices? and if so where would i post em?

failsandwich said:
i know 2008 was 13 years ago and no website stays the same forever, but i know y'all used to be all about that kinda stuff back in the day, and considering how inactive other handheld computer/pocketpc communities are these days i figured i'd try my luck here.
so yeah. does this site allow questions about palmtops/handheld pcs/WinMo devices? and if so where would i post em?
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Hello and welcome to this forum, indeed we have the "old" device sections where you're looking for:
Legacy & Low Activity Devices
forum.xda-developers.com
You'll find lot's of former devices with Windows Mobile etc.
Neewer ones are listed here for example: https://forum.xda-developers.com/all-forums-by-manufacturer
Otherwise just type the desired device within the search box on top of the website

thanks :>

oh... im afraid none of those subforums apply to this particular situation. you see, im not talking about a phone. im talking about a PDA (specifically, an HP iPAQ). no cellular technology in here except *maybe* the wifi but that doesnt really count. if i missed something pls let me know, cuz i really need help with this relatively obscure issue :/

failsandwich said:
oh... im afraid none of those subforums apply to this particular situation. you see, im not talking about a phone. im talking about a PDA (specifically, an HP iPAQ). no cellular technology in here except *maybe* the wifi but that doesnt really count. if i missed something pls let me know, cuz i really need help with this relatively obscure issue :/
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You can always try you rluck and post on "General", maybe start something...
Like Make a thread called [DEVICE][PDA]HP iPAQ Development Thread and try to see if people come here. Your OP could be a place were you centralize all of the good input, links, development prospect about the device.
If you managed to develop something or have already some knowledge with that device feel free to share it within the thread. It may take time but once you gather a community around the device things starts to get interesting.
Of course it won't blow up instantly, patience is key !

failsandwich said:
oh... im afraid none of those subforums apply to this particular situation. you see, im not talking about a phone. im talking about a PDA (specifically, an HP iPAQ). no cellular technology in here except *maybe* the wifi but that doesnt really count. if i missed something pls let me know, cuz i really need help with this relatively obscure issue :/
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There are HP IPAQ threads available(example), just use the search function