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Choosing Best ROM For Upgrading

Ladies & Gentlemans !
Today We Want To Choose Best ROM For HTC Universal !
List Of ROM's :
1. Helmi_c 1.1
2. PDAVIET 2.0.6 PRO (Fixed)
3. Midget v0.1 Vanilla Crossbow Rom (Based on Helmi's Unreleased Rom)
4. UNI 2.00.05 WWE HHVN
ٌPlease Choose The Correct Version Without Any Hyperbole & Prejudice !!!
Thanks A Lot !!!
(We Hope To Choose Best One For All People)

Pdaviet 2.0.4
I Tried All Roms And Definitly Padviet 2.0.4 Works Fine. I Tried 2.0.6 But Had Connections Failure So I Got Back To 2.0.4

Please Choose The Correct Version Without Any Hyperbole & Prejudice
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haha. you are a dreamer.

ivorh said:
haha. you are a dreamer.
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Why You Say This ?! Is My Sentence Wrong ?

No, your english is fine (although strange in the use of capitalization), I think he means you will not get a fair and accurate representation of which ROM is the best.
From a technical standpoint, the Helmi and Indra releases are the best. (Indra's was based on an early Helmi image also)
But!
Because nearly everyone running WM6 here is a newbie, and newbies love new things, you will invariably see a high percentage leaning towards the PDAVIET ROM images.
PDAVIET ROM images are nothing more than rebuilds of existing images pandering to a community that is too lazy to install icons, registry changes, or localisation applications themselves, so rather than release CAB files, they just build a new ROM and watch everyone update.
Total madness.

I see your point, AlanJC, and i'm agree with you, but not totally.
I use HEIMI Rom (actually the old 3.5), and i consider that people have to use and publicize the material made from the real "artist" and not the one that are only remaskered and selled as original.
But for us newbies, it is not so pratical and easy to catch around the forum the various programs, cabs, registry elements and so on to proceed from a vanilla to a multiflavour rom.. even reinstall a new rom is a jump into the void for not-rom-programmers.. you know..
I think that best work is to make a sticky and frequently adjourned post in which there are listed the various extension (programs, icons, etc) with the links that are fine to be appliable at HEIMI or others Vanilla roms, and 2-3 line short explaination for the installation. It is an easy work for you experts, and a great solution for us dummies.
(sorry for my english)
Idum

Dear Friends , Please Take Part In This Topic & Poll !

i believe Helmi's rom is not a true WM6 as it is lacking some of the features even compared to PDAvient

rikram said:
i believe Helmi's rom is not a true WM6 as it is lacking some of the features even compared to PDAvient
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that cant be justified mate...
the rest of the needed apps are given as .cab files
cheers

wm6 and communication
I would like to understand which is the meaning of communications in WM6. Now you see for mail you should have the possibility to select what communication configuration use, but only appears "internet" with independence of you having more.
Some explanation on this matter should be great...

prefer AKU 3.5 by Helmi.

i believe Helmi's rom is not a true WM6 as it is lacking some of the features even compared to PDAvient
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Don't be a plank. Anyway I did a detailed analysis of the differences between the two roms in one of the other threads.

rikram said:
i believe Helmi's rom is not a true WM6 as it is lacking some of the features even compared to PDAvient
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Definitely a plank!
In my experience, the only "features" it's lacking compared to PDAViet ROMs are third party apps

mUn vs LVSW WM6 rom

Hi, anyone know the difference between the 2 rom in its initial release?
Thanks

They're both working beta versions, both have bugs, maybe not the same ones but still bugs.
Unless you want to bugtest the ROMs, leave it for a week or so for the next versions to come out.
These are not ROMS you want to flash if you're looking for a stable replacement for WM5, therefore if you're asking which is best, the answer is, neither, at the moment.
If you want to know the differences, read through the threads for each one and see what problems people are having with them.

well, there's a lot of differences here and there.
Mun's rom is a higher version of WM6, and includes some stuff (office 2007 compatibility) that LVSW's doesn't. Of course LVSW's has some tools and apps that Mun's doesn't have. Haha.. It's pretty tough to compare them.
I will say this, I found Mun's ROM to be a bit faster in terms of bringing up new programs/windows. I dunno if that has anything to do with his customization or just the version of WM6. However right now a lot of people (including me) are having trouble using activesync with this version. I switched to LVSW and am syncing fine now.
There's some other issues here and there regarding VOIP and stuff that separate them...
hope it helps. As always, for comprehensive info, you need to go read the posts..

Well my opinion is that this thread is pointless, try thrm both and you will find out which one fits your needs, thats all, it is not a hard task

so if active sync works in one and not in the other how about some combined work?

How about waiting until a stable release comes out. I mean wtf, it has been a little over a day and people already want the perfect ROM.
Tweaking a ROM takes a lot of effort. Its not always that easy to locate problems and even if you do, they are not always easy to fix.
Give it a few weeks or wait for an official ROM if you can't deal with a few bugs here and there.

Who is complaining? I think you are misreading peoples intentions here by criticising the ROMs. It is in essence part of the testing process that you give feedback and also desire to solve the issues.
Noone is expecting the perfect ROM, but if you dont want the perfect the ROM then what is the point in developing?

I didn't quote anyone so I refered to the previous post by jpless.
Maybe I misread it but he made it sound like it was as easy as putting feature A from ROM1 into ROM2.
Its possible for some parts but could introduce a lot more new bugs.
I'm sure mun_rus and LVSW are well aware of each others Roms, it just takes time to evolve it to the state WM5 is in today. Especially since we don't have an official WM6 Rom.
Sorry for my harsh tone earlier. In time, we'll have a perfect WM6 Rom.

I take them both.
Mun's ROM so Quickly
LVSW was able to sync
Thanks a lot both MUN/LVSW .

@ZakMcRofl
Thanx for comments. You are absolutly right.
Just wait for next release. I have to test new rom before and should say that:
-AS sync - OK
-GPS camera - ok
-etc
I have no chance t otry videocall, so don't know anything about it

I'm waiting for the second betas to come out, and I think I'll jump on Mr. Mun_Rus's rom because, well, I sent him money, so I might as well use the results of that, right?

In the name of healthy competition, I declare that I find mUn's ROM the better of the two after careful evaluation. So im going to go back to mUn's ROM for now. Faster and less buggy camera-wise. Maybe you are tired of this now, but thanks again to both you and lvsw for your work.

ZakMcRofl said:
I didn't quote anyone so I refered to the previous post by jpless.
Maybe I misread it but he made it sound like it was as easy as putting feature A from ROM1 into ROM2.
Its possible for some parts but could introduce a lot more new bugs.
I'm sure mun_rus and LVSW are well aware of each others Roms, it just takes time to evolve it to the state WM5 is in today. Especially since we don't have an official WM6 Rom.
Sorry for my harsh tone earlier. In time, we'll have a perfect WM6 Rom.
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You didn't quote but referred? Anywho I know it's not as easy as it sounds, just thought that maybe by comparing the bugs in either one we could maybe help solve some of them or something Just trying to help here...

Usually its considered bad style to quote the person right before you since it takes up board space and is the default reference point anyways.
The problem with the bugs is that you can't always pinpoint them to a single file or module, otherwise what you say would be possible (replace the file from other ROM).
A Rom error can come from a file, a registry entry or combinations of the former. Obviously having a comparison base can help but its obvious that LVSW and mun_rus already use it plenty - check their WM5 AKU 3.5.x Roms for example.

MUn is Best
In all the roms I've tried, Mun was the very first I tried, and although I don't use it any more, It was the most stable, IE I didn't soft reset it unless an installation wanted me to, it never crashed on me.

dude... the last post on this thread was in 2007...
happy new year

xplode said:
Well my opinion is that this thread is pointless, try thrm both and you will find out which one fits your needs, thats all, it is not a hard task
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yes it is a pointless thread... play with them to find which is best for you

To me the best version is windows CE,do some research and install it,it'll make your xda rock or maybe brick

Which one to choose?

i'm looking a rom to replace the official wm6 one.
since this i s the first time i'm doing such thing i'd like to recieve some help.
which rom should i choose?
there are many and the list of features is long and hard to compare between each other, any hint on how to choose and what to look for are well accepted.
thank you.

Lyllo,
Hello and welcome. There must be a thousand threads on here askng the same question.
I suggest you do one of several things:
- Search for each thread asking this question and see what responses were given:
- Look through the threads on here for each rom and from the discussion decide which is best for you (recommended option)
- Choose a number of roms at random, flash them, and see what you think.
I would personally sit down and decide what you are looking for in a rom, eg, speed, stability, speed (don't care about stability), stability (don't care about speed), feature rich versus feature lite, etc.
Once you have done this then go to option 2 above and see what fits. Next read mrvax guides THOROUGHLY (see here...http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/) BEFORE you jump in.
Also it is esential that you read the wiki (see here...http://wiki.xda-developers.com/) BEFORE you jump in.
If you want to change roms safely there is no short cut to assimilating knowledge, understanding thoroughly, then implementing.
Good luck and don't forget to backup your data before you start.
WB

can i go on asking some few things here?
1) wondering what's the difference between Black version and other ones.
2) i've noticed that most of the last releases basically give the same pack of cabs, so which are the parameters to distingush between them? they always define them quite stable, so cant find a way to choose
i'd prefer some more stability in order to have a fully and costant working device, but some speed would be nice.
found the schap's one but can't uderstand if it would be worthy to do an upgrade or not.
basically on this forum i've found that is always worthy...
4) what does at&t means? what has it for?
5) what's about the "big storage"?
thank you and hope i've been quite clear pls excuseme for my english ^^
thanks 4 your attention

lyllo said:
can i go on asking some few things here?
1) wondering what's the difference between Black version and other ones.
2) i've noticed that most of the last releases basically give the same pack of cabs, so which are the parameters to distingush between them? they always define them quite stable, so cant find a way to choose
i'd prefer some more stability in order to have a fully and costant working device, but some speed would be nice.
found the schap's one but can't uderstand if it would be worthy to do an upgrade or not.
basically on this forum i've found that is always worthy...
4) what does at&t means? what has it for?
5) what's about the "big storage"?
thank you and hope i've been quite clear pls excuseme for my english ^^
thanks 4 your attention
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Ok dude.....heres ur answers (please note mrvanx has about 3 bottles of merlot in him to cloud his judgement)
1) Black set the standard for ROMs, however the base ROM has evolved a fair bit since the last version of WM6 black (WM6 Black X).......Right now i recommend doing some reading about Pandora Naked 6....and customizing it for your own needs ;-)
2) Speed/Stability are relative to what you have installed....see 1)
3) Schaps ROMs are a VERY good place to start, however if you wish to truely taylor your device you should read into cooking your own ROM.
4) AT&T is a US based betwork......ignore it unless you are in the US
5) Big storage means the ROM has some optimisation added to the IMGFS file system so the storage space on the device is freed up for you to use, in some cases you could see a storage capacity of 80MB or maybe more!!?
...............finally.....
...INSTALL HARDSPL BEFORE DOING ANYTHING!!!!! good luck. ;-)

thank you ver much ^ì

extremely clear for 3 bottles of merlot, Vanx.. I'm very impressed
Lyllo, I'd say, first of all, install HardSPL like Vanx said
Next, I would advise you to try out some ROMs. The Black is very complete, there are some others who are very good. I personally use Schap's 4.22 and I like it alot (eagerly waiting for 4.30, hint hint Schap ) If you follow the proper procedure, flashing usually is a piece of cake and within 15 minutes you're up and running again.
You can only really know which ROM you like by trying them out for a couple of days. I tried Black and I switched to Schap cos I like it better but it's very personal.
Also, I suggest you take a look at your Radio ROM too. This isn't customised but it highly influences the performance of your Hermes, i.e. how long your battery lasts, how quick you get a link to the internet, how well bluetooth performs and so on. Read the threads on the various versions and pick the one that seems best for you and just give it a go for a couple of days.
After a while you will find your ideal combination. And that will be the best for you.

Shamanix 2.2
If you are not in to Internet Sharing, I would recommend you try Shamanix 2.2. No bugs. Its fast and stable.

I would recommend to give one of Edhaas's Roms a try, they are very fast AND stable:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320010

thanks to everybody guys.
i'll look around, even if i'm thinkig about waiting for android to give it a try.
these ROMs are wm6 the same, keeping all the M$ defects...

lyllo said:
thanks to everybody guys.
i'll look around, even if i'm thinkig about waiting for android to give it a try.
these ROMs are wm6 the same, keeping all the M$ defects...
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Yeah, thats right.
BUT:
At home I'm using Linux on my desktop system, my previous mobile phone has a Symbian OS. In the last 25 years I was using computers with C64 OS, Amiga OS, MSDos, DR DOS. None of all these operating systems was completely bugfree. Android is based on Linux and much more important: its developed by humans. So again it will have failures
The point is to create a Rom which handles all the given defects in a useful way. And I think some of the Rom devs here did a very good job.

the more static and simple an os is the more stable
the more cutting edge user costimizable and featurefull and advanced an os is the more places bugs and unablity to test all senarios play it's part

thak you guys.
let me just explain deeper that i'm talking about defects, not bugs.
it's quite obvious that human can do some mistake that reflects into bugs, i'm not complaining about that
i was just complainig the way wm6 is designed
anyway, i guess i'll have to wait for android or an iphone surrogate
by now i think i'll at least upgrade the rom from the official to a better in performance one.
there's only one matter, i've just found Schaps' 3.54 one in italian, can you tell me where can i find a list of localized rom in order to choose something newer?
i'd like to scratch as less as possible my ppc, so a full rom, with a sotisfactory set of program would be better.
thank you.

My first question would be are you sure you are using a Hermes/Tytn 1?
You said you were new to all this and asked which ROM you should change to from your stock/official WM6 ROM.
Not many Hermes/Tytn 1's are available with WM6 on them as standard. So just double check you have the phone that is being discussed in this particular sub-forum as if you use the wrong image on the wrong device it can cause big, non-correctable (aka permanent) errors.

At the risk of blowing my own horn, If you are new to this and would like a good start, try my ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355439
This will:
1) Updates your Radio ROM to the latest version - which many people find performs better (although there are apparently some issues with AT&T network - but as you're not in the US, that doesn't matter here).
2) Give you a featureset similar to what the phone manufacturer would have - including Office 2007, a voice command/dialer application, and the latest Windows Live.
3) Gives you the option to uninstall Office 2007, voice command software and Windows live if you don't want them.
4) Will work with pretty much any network due to the inclusion of the HTC network wizard which sets up your mobile for almost every network worldwide - just pick where you are.
5) Gives you about 54Mb of free storage BEFORE you uninstall any addon applications.
This will give you a solid base to starting to flash your device etc too - which is great

thank you guys.
i'm on a tytn II, not on I, my mystake, i guess i'm a wizard not hermes isn't it
i'll take a look.
this forum is really great, never found so many considerate and patient guys!
thank you very much to every one.

lyllo said:
thank you guys.
i'm on a tytn II, not on I, my mystake, i guess i'm a wizard not hermes isn't it
i'll take a look.
this forum is really great, never found so many considerate and patient guys!
thank you very much to every one.
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TyTN II is a Kaiser NOT a wizard. Do not flash a Wizard ROM!! ^_^

In YOUR opinion

whats the best 6.1 ROM out there right now and why?

Please no, not another one of these questions. If you are not going to take a bit of time to read or search the forum then just try one of the lastest 19213 builds!

Ive already tried A LOT but nothing compares to Chap ROM with all the applications and stuff.

oh dear... i'm with gwen on this one... hahalololzzz... i'm off or some more reading... what a spectacular 1st post i've ever had here. btw- thx u gr8 pplz!

I agree with wam7. Always a horrible question. Every ROM is different just like every users needs are different. What is the perfect ROM for one, is not for another. Just read more, try as many ROM's as you can, and settle on the one that works for you......

Agree with wam & mike, you need to read the chef's wm6.1 threads / posts for all details & specific. Then flash some to see what fits U best...
Mod...close this redundant thread question!

My opinion is that any ROM that has the essentials that you use is good.
On my ROM, I include what I consider to be the essentials, and not anything else - if you want to add more, you can. Office, WLM, and Voice dialing is included with my ROM, but you can remove them if you don't want them.
I look at the ROMs that have 40+ applications installed as a default and usually think "Wow, I'd never use all that stuff" - but again, this is only my opinion

I was using CRC's WM6.1 v9 Rom, but I had a screen problem so changed to Schaps WM6 v4.31 which didn';t solve the problem (which was a loose D-Pad connector).
BUT, I decided to keep Schaps rom because I missed all the excellent functions it has. It may not be WM6.1 but it's the ultimate rom out there IMO.

best rom = ppc2003. google and install it. its the latest version.

This forum is great, BUT...

This is a great community, but why is so hard to find a really clean rom for Touch Diamond? I mean, you cook a rom, spend hour and hour to make it work, fix it with strange registry entry and then?
Then you:
- ruin it with ugly icon set/missing icons
- you put in it unuseful software or bloatware
- customize it with boot screen & animations with your name/nickname/name of your pet
I'm saying this because I've tried tons of rom and NO one rom is really clean and light as it should be. This is the same reason why you (and I) hate the personalized windows installation one can find on many warez site.
There is no sense in it. Software will be update, icons are beauty for you, maybe not for me. Some software could be useful to you, not for me. And you pretend donation! I know what you are thinking: why not developing your own rom? Of course I have no so much time and no skill to make it work. And I can't find an updated guide to follow. For sure, my rom would be:
- light
- no personalization at all
- no software in it
- supporting UC
I think this is the right way to go: only base software, support for UC in order to quick install your cab software or settings. I would donate for such a rom.
Agree? Thank you and sorry for the long post/my english.

I think this is because these ROMs are custom ROMs published to others. XDA is not a company to build the clean ROMs, it is just the forum of users. Everyopne can build your own ROM if you are able to, some kitchens are published. That is not so hard to remove unwanted stuff...
Mbiba

true ..
totaly agree with you ..
had the same problem when moved over to hd2. from all the customization and make-up cannot use the phone for normal work .. even when flashed "basic-reference" rom even THAN the wallpaper was some (for me) ugly and the clock was customized. so where is the "basic" ?
thats why you need to search and choose from the all the "evil" around .. the smallest one .. i wont say what rom, but there is rom for diamond that even it is customized, you are able to turn OFF all the customization and make-up, and have stock-like low mem usage rom.
i agree that it is not you were asking for, but .. is there another solution ? except flashing stock rom .. that we all agree is slower then custom cooked.
cheers

you guys can try the old aztor x2 ultimate rom. it is like the official rom with tweaks...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=422417&highlight=aztor
but keep in mind that the diamond is an old device, there are no more updates from htc. there is no official 6.5 but tons of ultra light roms without customized icons ... flash one of those and install all your programms.

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Stop whinging like a baby
Dont like the ROMs here, or too lazy to find one that suites your needs, then either *** off, or make your own
Thats like walking into an estate agents and complaining that "Yea you have loads of houses, but why have they all got different carpets, and decor, boohoo why cant you make all the house builders build them all to MY standards"
Sorry buddy, people in this forum have different tastes, its not all about you you you
go somewhere else or make your own

magicdave26 said:
Stop whinging like a baby
Dont like the ROMs here, or too lazy to find one that suites your needs, then either *** off, or make your own
Thats like walking into an estate agents and complaining that "Yea you have loads of houses, but why have they all got different carpets, and decor, boohoo why cant you make all the house builders build them all to MY standards"
Sorry buddy, people in this forum have different tastes, its not all about you you you
go somewhere else or make your own
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Stop replying as a baby. If you don't like this thread, simply ignore it. And, btw, it's not MY need, many people would love such a rom.

Gremo said:
Stop replying as a baby. If you don't like this thread, simply ignore it. And, btw, it's not MY need, many people would love such a rom.
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Have you even looked around ? There are plenty of "Clean" ROMs
Hey some are even NAMED "Clean" lol what are the chances of that ?

magicdave26 said:
Have you even looked around ? There are plenty of "Clean" ROMs
Hey some are even NAMED "Clean" lol what are the chances of that ?
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Are you asking me if I tried them? Of course I did, many of them, but "clean" was just and only the name. It was a waste of time. Either weird icon packages, crap software, slowness & memory leak and many many other problems...
I'm not just asking "you HAVE to cook only clean vanilla rom", just respect other users and their preferences and let people download also the kitchen, included a saved vanilla rom. So hard? So difficult? E.g:
Fresh 6.5.x wm:
- sense rom
- titanium rom
- no gui at all rom (just in case you love spb for example)
Of course no need of software in it, apart from ezinput, camera, and few others really required.
You will be happy if windows would come with, say, firefox, ccleaner, and an explorer replacement?

I have to partially agree with the topicpaster, ofc noone makes you use the roms, many chefs put a lot of work, and cudos to them, but the roms aren't always the way they are advertised, some time passed since I moved from diamond to HD2, but I still have my diamond with a crappy bootscreen (yeah I'm too lazy to search how to remove it, though noone advertized that it'd be changed, and flashing new roms doesn't solve it, not a big deal, but it's just one example...)

romka.t said:
I have to partially agree with the topicpaster, ofc noone makes you use the roms, many chefs put a lot of work, and cudos to them, but the roms aren't always the way they are advertised, some time passed since I moved from diamond to HD2, but I still have my diamond with a crappy bootscreen (yeah I'm too lazy to search how to remove it, though noone advertized that it'd be changed, and flashing new roms doesn't solve it, not a big deal, but it's just one example...)
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Don't be lazy..
just download ervius kitchen and cook anything you want...

there's Gen.Y that is barely a stock rom with sense 2.5. you can use that one,it has no customization at all. and there's also a lot of kitchens released around,people spend time preparing them and making them as easy to understand as possible. you can just download one,disable what you don't need and cook your own clean rom.

yngieaxl said:
Don't be lazy..
just download ervius kitchen and cook anything you want...
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that wasn't my point, and I suppose the original post's point... as I had mentioned, not a big issue...
I do understand that a person that has developed smth, always (mostly) tries to leave a signature of some kind, that's totally ok, but a figure of common sense would be mentioning that

Partially agree, too, but, we must be thankful with the chefs, they make ROM's according to their use, likes and more, so, they don't custom a ROM for you, it's like a car, you can like the outside, the inside, the engine, the power, etc... but, rarely you will like all from that car.
The truth is that when you don't like something is to make something to like it (to make your own ROM), but that doesn't mean anything critic towards you.
I have tried hundred of ROM's, and of course some are horrible in letters, menu, icons, work, speed, etc... but I have found on Ralphusion ROM the best ROM for my needs (TELEPHONE WORK), fast and stable.
All depends on what people want, a ROM to play, games, internet, etc... but... Diamond is limited on hardware, so why to make Sense 2.5 if we can have a super fast ROM with Titanium and have a TELEPHONE (it is not a GPS, it is not a Nintendo DS, it is a telephone....)
By the way, the thread is a good idea, all we have thought about this in some time, but you have explained writing it, so, good idea, maybe some good chef will create the PERFECT STABLE AND FAST ROM FOR DIAMOND, a device that is what it is.... They can call to the project something like.... WHAT HTC SHOULD HAVE DONE FOR ITS DEVICE.
Thanks everybody, best regards.

i dont really want to "advertise" my ROM but i you should try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=786088
and as far as sense 2.5 on diamond is concerned it just doesnt make much sense
i dont understand why people ignore sense 2.1 its more suited to diamond's hardware

Gremo said:
For sure, my rom would be:
- light
- no personalization at all
- no software in it
- supporting UC
I think this is the right way to go: only base software, support for UC in order to quick install your cab software or settings. I would donate for such a rom.
Agree? Thank you and sorry for the long post/my english.
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I have installed many intalian and english roms on my diamond, if you're searching for a stabe one I suggest you to try the GenY (a bit old) or Fodd.
Both have no customisation (no strange boot screnn, no ugly icons or else), very few software installed and they are fast and stable:
GenY -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521941
Fodd -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=775419
I used GenY a lot with internet connection and also gps, i'm currently using Fodd and it also seems to fit my needs.
give it a try
(sorry for my english, i hope you can get what i'm saying)

Gremo said:
Are you asking me if I tried them? Of course I did, many of them, but "clean" was just and only the name. It was a waste of time. Either weird icon packages, crap software, slowness & memory leak and many many other problems...
I'm not just asking "you HAVE to cook only clean vanilla rom", just respect other users and their preferences and let people download also the kitchen, included a saved vanilla rom. So hard? So difficult? E.g:
Fresh 6.5.x wm:
- sense rom
- titanium rom
- no gui at all rom (just in case you love spb for example)
Of course no need of software in it, apart from ezinput, camera, and few others really required.
You will be happy if windows would come with, say, firefox, ccleaner, and an explorer replacement?
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Genuine Windows, just like Genuine ROMs go hand in hand
If you want to download a custom built ROM or Windows, then you can not complain when there are extras included

Ok I ended up cooking my very first rom, using latest official diamond one (6.1). I spent a couple of hours to figure out dependencies, but finally it works. Nothing special, just original rom without the software. UC doesn't work, don't know why .
Still looking for 6.5.x rom with titanium and no personalization at all. Thanks anyway to all voting "Yes" to the poll.

Are you serious?! You come here and tell the chefs to show you respect and make a Ferrari out of your Fiat? They even let you use their tools so you can create your awesome, unique, clean, fast and whatever you want your rom to be but you are to lazy to learn a few things. Cheffs owe you nothing! Dont blame them, blame yourself! Your attitude is very bad for this community...

The problem with Diamond ROM development is that there is no official "updated" ROM for the phone. The only possible vanilla ROMs for diamond are 6.1, and very little of the software from the 6.1 official ROM can be used for 6.5 ROM development. Any Diamond ROM that runs 6.5 or 6.5.x is built from software ported from other phones, and assembled using that other ROM as a guide. No modern phone has as little RAM as the Diamond. Using a "clean vanilla" build from any modern phone, makes for a bloated 6.5 Diamond ROM.
A stable, "clean vanilla" 6.5 Diamond ROM is a myth.
That said, clever developers can add compression, use lighter graphics (and get yelled at), choose to leave out needed software, and cut less used functionality to save memory. This can introduce bugs, and rile up users. For every user who wants you to remove a "thingy", you have another user who OMGNEEDS that "thingy" in the ROM. You can start adding "thingy" cab packages, but then you have to support and update those packages, which takes away time from development and testing.
Due to a few pushy users, a lot of devs just jump in and make what they want. If the dev happens to be really nice, he or she will make their ROMs available for everyone else to use. Of course, once they do release their ROM, they get criticized for one design choice after another. After enough negative posts and personal messages, it stops being fun. Eventually only the really stubborn and thick skinned devs stick around.
All that aside, there is just very little incentive to do custom ROMs for user requests. I did something like 30 minor revisions of my ROM, and 16 major revisions. I published as many as 10 different flavors from clean to bloated for every revision. I received as many as 3000 downloads for each ROM release... and yet, I never received a single donation. Lucky for me that I was never in it for the money. =)
In any case, best of luck finding your perfect ROM!

I agree with the idea of the post. Clean ROMs are much more nice, since the user can customize it the way he/she wants.
I've not tryied this much number of ROMs in here, but i am currently using Gen.Y R2.6 and i pretty much like it...
Icons are default, no fancy themes, tones, splashes, no visible nicknames all arround. The only thing visible is the bootleader (when powering on), that has an option to load Android (witch i did not install). Start Menu is also not very pratical, but you can revert it to old-style easely
I also agree that a good clean and complete guide on rom cooking would be very nice! there is A LOT info in here, but it's all scattered in thousands of threads...