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WM6 - 2.00.04 PRO PV Version OUT

Final release of 2.00.04 PDAVIET version,
you can find about here http://www.pdaviet.net/showthread.php?t=3183&page=12
Link for download: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9XG5EP2D
or http://rapidshare.com/files/12826782/ROM_v2.00.04_PDAVIET_UNI_PRO.rar
pass: www.pdaviet.net
Hey guys, we have a rom-by-day.. I don't have the time to reinstall programs that I have to reflash

realogic said:
Final release of 2.00.04 PDAVIET version,
you can find about here http://www.pdaviet.net/showthread.php?t=3183&page=12
Link for download: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9XG5EP2D
pass: www.pdaviet.net
Hey guys, we have a rom-by-day.. I don't have the time to reinstall programs that I have to reflash
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Is this newer than 2.00.04 PDAVIET_Test ROM ?

Yes, is the "final" one, called PRO (as read on their forum)
Don't know about differences

realogic said:
Yes, is the "final" one, called PRO (as read on their forum)
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do you have the pass to unizip the ROM ?
EDIT: go it, thanx!

realogic said:
Final release of 2.00.04 PDAVIET version,
you can find about here http://www.pdaviet.net/showthread.php?t=3183&page=12
Link for download: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=9XG5EP2D
pass: www.pdaviet.net
Hey guys, we have a rom-by-day.. I don't have the time to reinstall programs that I have to reflash
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OK - that COOL but can some one explain me - HOW to read and understand that language ot PDAVIET - Please folks - when you release some information in diferent language try to translate to english so every one can read it.

Please read
Ok apologies for cross posting.... but can you obsessive flashers please read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=1110678&postcount=50
and keep in mind the bit towards the end about bad images.
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Disclaimer... ok just thought I'd better add. I'm not trying to say anyone has put out a bad image. or that anyone is trying to. before anyone thinks I'm claiming that.

Work,on this version,the videocall?
And in the ExtRom that applications are found?

ivorh said:
Disclaimer... ok just thought I'd better add. I'm not trying to say anyone has put out a bad image. or that anyone is trying to. before anyone thinks I'm claiming that.
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Well so far you are the only one who wrote that and was "kind" enough to repost it again. I believe each person here has the brain to make their own judgement. If they like PDAViet ROM and flash "a lot" so be it. There is no point of trying to convince the others that PDAViet ROM is not good up to your standard. Your "high" standard might not be the same as the others.

It would be best if the developers of these PDAVIET images posted here, then people could ask them questions, and they could respond to bugs etc.
They can carry on posting images on their forum, but I think it's important to realise these roms are posted on a non-english forum, and many people here are flashing it blindly, not knowing if there are things to watch out for, patches or registry imports that should be run, and so on.
I just think it's dangerous the amound of hype surrounding these images when nobody is posting any proper change logs, or able to answer what is changing from one rom to the next.
It's unlikely anything bad will happen, but at the moment, someone saying "wow this is so fast" seems to be enough in people's mind to warrant a reflash.
It's all getting a bit silly imo.

AlanJC said:
It would be best if the developers of these PDAVIET images posted here, then people could ask them questions, and they could respond to bugs etc.
They can carry on posting images on their forum, but I think it's important to realise these roms are posted on a non-english forum, and many people here are flashing it blindly, not knowing if there are things to watch out for, patches or registry imports that should be run, and so on.
I just think it's dangerous the amound of hype surrounding these images when nobody is posting any proper change logs, or able to answer what is changing from one rom to the next.
It's unlikely anything bad will happen, but at the moment, someone saying "wow this is so fast" seems to be enough in people's mind to warrant a reflash.
It's all getting a bit silly imo.
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I'm absolutely AGREE with you !!!

Hi imisim,
and that's exactly why I wrote the disclaimer, I obviously didn't write it clearly enough, sorry! I'm saying I don't have a problem with any of these people posting the ROMS (although it would be nice if they produced changelogs saying what they were improving), I don't believe there's any problem with any of the ones they have posted!
The thing I'm trying to warn of was that when people are posting random rapidshare and other file upload service links "HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE???" For example I haven't seen any of these recent ROM images posted with an MD5 sum that can be checked for validity.
Sorry if I didn't make my point clear!
I believe each person here has the brain to make their own judgement.
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and I fear you may be too optimistic there!
Cheers and best wishes,
Ivor.

AlanJC said:
It would be best if the developers of these PDAVIET images posted here, then people could ask them questions, and they could respond to bugs etc.
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I agree with you however you need to keep in mind that the PDAViet ROM are leased in their site which is Vietnamese.
The change log is there but in Vietnamese.
The problem is not PDA Viet because their ROM is published for their members and most of them are Vietnamese. The link to their ROM as being posted by the xda-developers members and unfortunately most don't read Vietnamese

BatteryStatus issue....
.....after having issues with reseting my device, I realised that BatteryStatus was causing the issue, forcing me to hard reset my device twice....now the device resets nicely.....but can anyone recommend a good small battery indicator, or even a taskbar one?
Thanks

I don't speak vietnamese too, I posted that link just because that ROM is the most stable one I've flashed, and trusth me, I've flashed all!
BTW, I agree with who says that way is not the most secure.

outfocus: I use iLauncher3, but is not free

I have to agree. I'm interested in trying one of the WM6 ROMs on my wizard/xda mini s, but with the frantic whirlwind of posts, follow-ups, and the almost random naming conventions, the whole BBS seems to have become a frenzy and it's now left me at a complete loss as to which, if any, WM6 ROMs I should have a go with.
Add to that a huge amount of "people should just read the threads" posts, combined with maybe 20 topics, each of 20+ pages of crap to read through, and I'm now probably too nervous about bricking my device to try. For example, do I flash the orwell1984 one, and if so, do I need to roll in the WWE stuff, or will it just work? Should I go for the pdaviet ROMs, or not - and if so which is the best?
Is it any wonder people are left scratching their heads?

ivorh said:
although it would be nice if they produced changelogs saying what they were improving.
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The change log is on their site and here is a rough translation
- ROM v2.00.04 PV was based on ROM v2.00.03 PV
- Aggressive Reg editing.
- Fix RAM leaked and device hung.
- More available RAM (above 24,25Mb) and guarantee faster
- Some additional improvement and add-on.

just one question: is this ROM same as the ROM in this post(http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=290865)?
If not, what the difference between them?
Thx.

Pro Differences / Preliminary Review
Sorry Alan but this is the best ROM out there, BUT you need to understand how to use this - let me begin: (in no particular order)
To use ozvga you must load midgets version of ozvga for crossbow.
The following applications WILL HANG YOUR UNIVERSAL:
SPB backup (BUT YOU CAN USE SUNNYSOFT V4)
SPB Pocket Plus (sorry!)
Now you don't need anymore the CB dialer skin, microsoft voice command 1.6 or new menu for wm5 because THEY ARE ALL IN THE ROM! (But don't restore your old WM 5 new menu settings file or you will hang the device!)
This little Vietnamese beauty also comes with a new version of XP shutdown, an amazing smart dialer, remote desktop and streaming media player!
The dfferences in the PRO version are:
The addition of the remote desktop & streaming media player
Added to settings is a customer feedback form and in connections is another icon to the communications manager.
Voice commander is mapped to the record button
Other things YOU NEED TO KNOW:
Soft resetting WM 6 is sometimes a two stage affair. This DOES NOT appear to be a bug but rather an (early) characteristic. If you need to reset 3 times or more the application you just loaded is not compatable.
Activesync 4.5 beta has embedded smarts for WM 6! When you synchronise for the first time it will ask you suddenly if you want to maintain wireless conectivity while docked to active sync.
There is also a newer bluetooth stack & system tray icon. If you use TomTom for example you no longer need to map the incoming port. The option has been removed anyway.
To summarize - this version of WM6 is blisteringly snappy, full of great features BUT NEW... IT IS NOT GOING TO WORK THE SAME AS WM5 AND NOT USE ALL THE SAME APPLICATIONS. But the overall result is fantastic in my opinion.
Regards,
Simon Jacobs

imisim said:
The change log is on their site and here is a rough translation
- ROM v2.00.04 PV was based on ROM v2.00.03 PV
- Aggressive Reg editing.
- Fix RAM leaked and device hung.
- More available RAM (above 24,25Mb) and guarantee faster
- Some additional improvement and add-on.
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RAM Leaked problem is most important than others, I think.

mUn vs LVSW WM6 rom

Hi, anyone know the difference between the 2 rom in its initial release?
Thanks

They're both working beta versions, both have bugs, maybe not the same ones but still bugs.
Unless you want to bugtest the ROMs, leave it for a week or so for the next versions to come out.
These are not ROMS you want to flash if you're looking for a stable replacement for WM5, therefore if you're asking which is best, the answer is, neither, at the moment.
If you want to know the differences, read through the threads for each one and see what problems people are having with them.

well, there's a lot of differences here and there.
Mun's rom is a higher version of WM6, and includes some stuff (office 2007 compatibility) that LVSW's doesn't. Of course LVSW's has some tools and apps that Mun's doesn't have. Haha.. It's pretty tough to compare them.
I will say this, I found Mun's ROM to be a bit faster in terms of bringing up new programs/windows. I dunno if that has anything to do with his customization or just the version of WM6. However right now a lot of people (including me) are having trouble using activesync with this version. I switched to LVSW and am syncing fine now.
There's some other issues here and there regarding VOIP and stuff that separate them...
hope it helps. As always, for comprehensive info, you need to go read the posts..

Well my opinion is that this thread is pointless, try thrm both and you will find out which one fits your needs, thats all, it is not a hard task

so if active sync works in one and not in the other how about some combined work?

How about waiting until a stable release comes out. I mean wtf, it has been a little over a day and people already want the perfect ROM.
Tweaking a ROM takes a lot of effort. Its not always that easy to locate problems and even if you do, they are not always easy to fix.
Give it a few weeks or wait for an official ROM if you can't deal with a few bugs here and there.

Who is complaining? I think you are misreading peoples intentions here by criticising the ROMs. It is in essence part of the testing process that you give feedback and also desire to solve the issues.
Noone is expecting the perfect ROM, but if you dont want the perfect the ROM then what is the point in developing?

I didn't quote anyone so I refered to the previous post by jpless.
Maybe I misread it but he made it sound like it was as easy as putting feature A from ROM1 into ROM2.
Its possible for some parts but could introduce a lot more new bugs.
I'm sure mun_rus and LVSW are well aware of each others Roms, it just takes time to evolve it to the state WM5 is in today. Especially since we don't have an official WM6 Rom.
Sorry for my harsh tone earlier. In time, we'll have a perfect WM6 Rom.

I take them both.
Mun's ROM so Quickly
LVSW was able to sync
Thanks a lot both MUN/LVSW .

@ZakMcRofl
Thanx for comments. You are absolutly right.
Just wait for next release. I have to test new rom before and should say that:
-AS sync - OK
-GPS camera - ok
-etc
I have no chance t otry videocall, so don't know anything about it

I'm waiting for the second betas to come out, and I think I'll jump on Mr. Mun_Rus's rom because, well, I sent him money, so I might as well use the results of that, right?

In the name of healthy competition, I declare that I find mUn's ROM the better of the two after careful evaluation. So im going to go back to mUn's ROM for now. Faster and less buggy camera-wise. Maybe you are tired of this now, but thanks again to both you and lvsw for your work.

ZakMcRofl said:
I didn't quote anyone so I refered to the previous post by jpless.
Maybe I misread it but he made it sound like it was as easy as putting feature A from ROM1 into ROM2.
Its possible for some parts but could introduce a lot more new bugs.
I'm sure mun_rus and LVSW are well aware of each others Roms, it just takes time to evolve it to the state WM5 is in today. Especially since we don't have an official WM6 Rom.
Sorry for my harsh tone earlier. In time, we'll have a perfect WM6 Rom.
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You didn't quote but referred? Anywho I know it's not as easy as it sounds, just thought that maybe by comparing the bugs in either one we could maybe help solve some of them or something Just trying to help here...

Usually its considered bad style to quote the person right before you since it takes up board space and is the default reference point anyways.
The problem with the bugs is that you can't always pinpoint them to a single file or module, otherwise what you say would be possible (replace the file from other ROM).
A Rom error can come from a file, a registry entry or combinations of the former. Obviously having a comparison base can help but its obvious that LVSW and mun_rus already use it plenty - check their WM5 AKU 3.5.x Roms for example.

MUn is Best
In all the roms I've tried, Mun was the very first I tried, and although I don't use it any more, It was the most stable, IE I didn't soft reset it unless an installation wanted me to, it never crashed on me.

dude... the last post on this thread was in 2007...
happy new year

xplode said:
Well my opinion is that this thread is pointless, try thrm both and you will find out which one fits your needs, thats all, it is not a hard task
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yes it is a pointless thread... play with them to find which is best for you

To me the best version is windows CE,do some research and install it,it'll make your xda rock or maybe brick

need some rom update advice

hey guys,
ok i used to be quite the regular (i still host most the roms and new ones on my zimuhost.getmyip.com site).
however i'm quite behind the times and havne't been following developments much.
can someone advise me whats the best way to go about:
1) backing up my current SMSs (no clue what new software is out there)
2) suggest me a new ROM (i'm still on the old black one- shadow). i want pocketCM thats running natively if thats possible... but i don't mind installing it on another ROM that may work better.
3) space is not important to me. pagepool / speed is. i don't mind giving up 12mb pagepool memory, even more to font caches etc for speed. the storage is unnecessary.
i've already updated olipro and radio stacks, so i'm pretty good to go.
thanks a lot guys
and as usual, if you want any phone-related download mirrors for files / roms etc, just shoot me a PM with the megaupload/etc link and you'll have a nice http download option

anybody?
advice would be loved

Hello mate,
Given your history of hosting, etc, and helping the community out I thought I would get a response in before some smart ar*e tells you to read the f*** wiki.
Anyway:
- SMS backup - There's a tool on here called (I think) PIMS. Should do the job else go for SPB backup.
- New Rom - tough one this as it depends on what you are looking for. I use Schaps (see my sig) because it is rock solid stable. However Shamanix has just produced a lite version based on Schaps and has provided a shedload of cabs for people to personalise their own install. Personally I prefer this approach as you get more or less exactly what you want. Search on here for it.
Does this help?
Cheers
WB

hey WB, thanks a bunch for the response i was totally expecting the flaming to start instantly!
Problem is that the last time i frequented this site and was a regular there were like 3 ROM developers. now there are like 42,000. I have no clue which version of what to use, even after having heavily browsed around this site the past 2 days!
i'll take your advice and stick with schaps, downloading 3.54 right now...

Excellent. I can also recommend the radio version I'm using as that has been the most stable to date.
CARE - make sure you do what Mr Vanx suggests BEFORE you jump in. See here for more info (http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/). Take your time and read loads first. Saves a lot of grief later on.
Cheers
WB

Whats the big idea

Please pardon my ignorance. I have tried to work out what is going on here for the last couple of months, hoping that it would finally just click. could someone please explain to me what all these ROM's are. So I have an HTC touch diamond with the standard ROM (from the last update, i think 1.9xxxxxx cant remember). With all these 'ROM' developments what more do you get out of the phone. Do you guys still use the TouchFlo 3D? What is HARD-spl? Is it worth changing the ROM? There seems to be a lot of ROM's, how do i know which is the best 1 to use? I feel like i have so many more questions, but please could someone just outline what it is all about.
please excuse my ignorance. I have tried looking it up but i still dont understand so pardon me for taking shortcuts.
Thanks
Tony

All the wisdom of the world in a single link: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Diamond

i don't see how pointing him ti the wiki will answer any of his questions. that thing is as old as the diamond itself.
ROMs are the data image on your phone. the read only memory that includes sys, xip, wm6.1 and tf3d plus all the component packages in a ppc. all the ones floating around here are tweaked and updated by people to work the way they want them to, with suggestions by the testers.
they are all basically the same.
they are based on official htc releases and updated to the latest operating bits from other devices, then shared with us.
its up to you to find what works best on your device in your locale and for your specific needs. you don't have to read entire threads, just the last few pages or from the date that the latest one was released by that cook.
hard spl is a phone condom to keep people from bricking their phone. it is required and very important. i suggest developers edition so you can flash any rom you want.
and yes, flashing a cooked rom is very worth it, but i warn you, once you start you can't stop.
i can't tell you which is the best, i do know what are my favorites, but the journey you will take finding that perfect rom is very rewarding.

Blazeitup123 said:
i don't see how pointing him ti the wiki will answer any of his questions. that thing is old as the diamond itself.
ROMs are the data image on your phone. the read only memory that includes sys, xip, wm6.1 and tf3d plus all the component packages in a ppc. all the ones floating around here are tweaked and updated by people to work the way they want them to, with suggestions by the testers.
they are all basically the same.
they are based on official htc releases and updated to the latest operating bits from other devices, then shared with us.
its up to you to find what works best on your device in your locale and for your specific needs. you don't have to read entire threads, just the last few pages or from the date that the latest one was released by that cook.
hard slp is a phone condom to keep people from bricking their phone. it is required and very important. i suggest developers edition so you can flash any rom you want.
and yes, flashing a cooked rom is very worth it, but i warn you, once you start you can't stop.
i can't tell you which is the best, i do know what are my favorites, but the journey you will take finding that perfect rom is very rewarding.
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thank you very much
you have answered exactly what i wanted to know.
I'll give it a look into. Oh, and 1 other thing. If I have applications installed on my phone already, i presume after putting a 'cooked ROM' on it will remove all installed applications? Wouldnt bother me too much, just my TomTom navigation is a HUGE mission to get going. I suppose im on holiday and have time to fiddle.

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thank you very much
you have answered exactly what i wanted to know.
I'll give it a look into. Oh, and 1 other thing. If I have applications installed on my phone already, i presume after putting a 'cooked ROM' on it will remove all installed applications? Wouldnt bother me too much, just my TomTom navigation is a HUGE mission to get going. I suppose im on holiday and have time to fiddle.
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Everything in the Device is erased when you flash a ROM. Stuff in the Internal Storage stays the same.
By da way you can also flash Radios.
Greets.

have a look here as this helped me alot
[TUT]Complete upgrading guide (HardSPL+Radio+ROM) NOT FOR CDMA USERS!!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=416211

tonypony said:
thank you very much
you have answered exactly what i wanted to know.
I'll give it a look into. Oh, and 1 other thing. If I have applications installed on my phone already, i presume after putting a 'cooked ROM' on it will remove all installed applications? Wouldnt bother me too much, just my TomTom navigation is a HUGE mission to get going. I suppose im on holiday and have time to fiddle.
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pretty much all apps for ppc can be found in .cab form. this is for easy installation and removal. if you choose a full rom you will get all stock htc apps, but a lite rom is bare bones. keep your collection of cabs on your internal storage for quick re-installation after flashing. also keep a backup of your cabs on your pc.
glad this helps
i didn't want anyone here to tell you RTFM or link you to search page. THAT REALLY GRINDS MY GEARS. ha lol

Blazeitup123 said:
pretty much all apps for ppc can be found in .cab form. this is for easy installation and removal. if you choose a full rom you will get all stock htc apps, but a lite rom is bare bones. keep your collection of cabs on your internal storage for quick re-installation after flashing. also keep a backup of your cabs on your pc.
glad this helps
i didn't want anyone here to tell you RTFM or link you to search page. THAT REALLY GRINDS MY GEARS. ha lol
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ya i can relate to that. Im also quite a forum junkie and I cant stand it when people direct me to search engines. Even on my local PS3 forum people always help out. Thanks to all for your help. Much appreciated.
So if I want to flash a ROM on my phone I just have to sift through the 1's here that are available. Do you guys recommend any? ie. one's that have few problems.

Typically the rom you get with the phone is a generic one, not too fast, full of feature and there to please everybody.
A cooked rom normally strips things down or tunes the device to a specific need. some roms remove as much as they can to give you more ram. Great for those of us who browse the web.
Others load them with more features so you never want for anything.
Others are generic but more upto date. The problem with official roms is they are updated and then go into testing for months and months then get released.
a custom rom will take updated drivers from other devices (like the HD) and place them into our roms with around a weeks testing or less. so we get them sooner. This does have its drawbacks.
A custom rom can be less stable than an official one. but you can get lucky. Duttys 3.6b is a good mix. Its faster than the stock rom, has more features but more memory as the rubbish is removed.
In the past 2 days I have learnt how to cook my own rom, which is the dream situation. I get rid of everything I dont want like Cyberon, transcriber, ringtones and other stuff. SO I have loads of storage free but also add in the software I use the most.
I now have the fastest rom I have ever used and its perfect beacause its tailor made by me, for me. Its really not that hard.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=413782

This forum is great, BUT...

This is a great community, but why is so hard to find a really clean rom for Touch Diamond? I mean, you cook a rom, spend hour and hour to make it work, fix it with strange registry entry and then?
Then you:
- ruin it with ugly icon set/missing icons
- you put in it unuseful software or bloatware
- customize it with boot screen & animations with your name/nickname/name of your pet
I'm saying this because I've tried tons of rom and NO one rom is really clean and light as it should be. This is the same reason why you (and I) hate the personalized windows installation one can find on many warez site.
There is no sense in it. Software will be update, icons are beauty for you, maybe not for me. Some software could be useful to you, not for me. And you pretend donation! I know what you are thinking: why not developing your own rom? Of course I have no so much time and no skill to make it work. And I can't find an updated guide to follow. For sure, my rom would be:
- light
- no personalization at all
- no software in it
- supporting UC
I think this is the right way to go: only base software, support for UC in order to quick install your cab software or settings. I would donate for such a rom.
Agree? Thank you and sorry for the long post/my english.

I think this is because these ROMs are custom ROMs published to others. XDA is not a company to build the clean ROMs, it is just the forum of users. Everyopne can build your own ROM if you are able to, some kitchens are published. That is not so hard to remove unwanted stuff...
Mbiba

true ..
totaly agree with you ..
had the same problem when moved over to hd2. from all the customization and make-up cannot use the phone for normal work .. even when flashed "basic-reference" rom even THAN the wallpaper was some (for me) ugly and the clock was customized. so where is the "basic" ?
thats why you need to search and choose from the all the "evil" around .. the smallest one .. i wont say what rom, but there is rom for diamond that even it is customized, you are able to turn OFF all the customization and make-up, and have stock-like low mem usage rom.
i agree that it is not you were asking for, but .. is there another solution ? except flashing stock rom .. that we all agree is slower then custom cooked.
cheers

you guys can try the old aztor x2 ultimate rom. it is like the official rom with tweaks...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=422417&highlight=aztor
but keep in mind that the diamond is an old device, there are no more updates from htc. there is no official 6.5 but tons of ultra light roms without customized icons ... flash one of those and install all your programms.

X
Stop whinging like a baby
Dont like the ROMs here, or too lazy to find one that suites your needs, then either *** off, or make your own
Thats like walking into an estate agents and complaining that "Yea you have loads of houses, but why have they all got different carpets, and decor, boohoo why cant you make all the house builders build them all to MY standards"
Sorry buddy, people in this forum have different tastes, its not all about you you you
go somewhere else or make your own

magicdave26 said:
Stop whinging like a baby
Dont like the ROMs here, or too lazy to find one that suites your needs, then either *** off, or make your own
Thats like walking into an estate agents and complaining that "Yea you have loads of houses, but why have they all got different carpets, and decor, boohoo why cant you make all the house builders build them all to MY standards"
Sorry buddy, people in this forum have different tastes, its not all about you you you
go somewhere else or make your own
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Stop replying as a baby. If you don't like this thread, simply ignore it. And, btw, it's not MY need, many people would love such a rom.

Gremo said:
Stop replying as a baby. If you don't like this thread, simply ignore it. And, btw, it's not MY need, many people would love such a rom.
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Have you even looked around ? There are plenty of "Clean" ROMs
Hey some are even NAMED "Clean" lol what are the chances of that ?

magicdave26 said:
Have you even looked around ? There are plenty of "Clean" ROMs
Hey some are even NAMED "Clean" lol what are the chances of that ?
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Are you asking me if I tried them? Of course I did, many of them, but "clean" was just and only the name. It was a waste of time. Either weird icon packages, crap software, slowness & memory leak and many many other problems...
I'm not just asking "you HAVE to cook only clean vanilla rom", just respect other users and their preferences and let people download also the kitchen, included a saved vanilla rom. So hard? So difficult? E.g:
Fresh 6.5.x wm:
- sense rom
- titanium rom
- no gui at all rom (just in case you love spb for example)
Of course no need of software in it, apart from ezinput, camera, and few others really required.
You will be happy if windows would come with, say, firefox, ccleaner, and an explorer replacement?

I have to partially agree with the topicpaster, ofc noone makes you use the roms, many chefs put a lot of work, and cudos to them, but the roms aren't always the way they are advertised, some time passed since I moved from diamond to HD2, but I still have my diamond with a crappy bootscreen (yeah I'm too lazy to search how to remove it, though noone advertized that it'd be changed, and flashing new roms doesn't solve it, not a big deal, but it's just one example...)

romka.t said:
I have to partially agree with the topicpaster, ofc noone makes you use the roms, many chefs put a lot of work, and cudos to them, but the roms aren't always the way they are advertised, some time passed since I moved from diamond to HD2, but I still have my diamond with a crappy bootscreen (yeah I'm too lazy to search how to remove it, though noone advertized that it'd be changed, and flashing new roms doesn't solve it, not a big deal, but it's just one example...)
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Don't be lazy..
just download ervius kitchen and cook anything you want...

there's Gen.Y that is barely a stock rom with sense 2.5. you can use that one,it has no customization at all. and there's also a lot of kitchens released around,people spend time preparing them and making them as easy to understand as possible. you can just download one,disable what you don't need and cook your own clean rom.

yngieaxl said:
Don't be lazy..
just download ervius kitchen and cook anything you want...
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that wasn't my point, and I suppose the original post's point... as I had mentioned, not a big issue...
I do understand that a person that has developed smth, always (mostly) tries to leave a signature of some kind, that's totally ok, but a figure of common sense would be mentioning that

Partially agree, too, but, we must be thankful with the chefs, they make ROM's according to their use, likes and more, so, they don't custom a ROM for you, it's like a car, you can like the outside, the inside, the engine, the power, etc... but, rarely you will like all from that car.
The truth is that when you don't like something is to make something to like it (to make your own ROM), but that doesn't mean anything critic towards you.
I have tried hundred of ROM's, and of course some are horrible in letters, menu, icons, work, speed, etc... but I have found on Ralphusion ROM the best ROM for my needs (TELEPHONE WORK), fast and stable.
All depends on what people want, a ROM to play, games, internet, etc... but... Diamond is limited on hardware, so why to make Sense 2.5 if we can have a super fast ROM with Titanium and have a TELEPHONE (it is not a GPS, it is not a Nintendo DS, it is a telephone....)
By the way, the thread is a good idea, all we have thought about this in some time, but you have explained writing it, so, good idea, maybe some good chef will create the PERFECT STABLE AND FAST ROM FOR DIAMOND, a device that is what it is.... They can call to the project something like.... WHAT HTC SHOULD HAVE DONE FOR ITS DEVICE.
Thanks everybody, best regards.

i dont really want to "advertise" my ROM but i you should try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=786088
and as far as sense 2.5 on diamond is concerned it just doesnt make much sense
i dont understand why people ignore sense 2.1 its more suited to diamond's hardware

Gremo said:
For sure, my rom would be:
- light
- no personalization at all
- no software in it
- supporting UC
I think this is the right way to go: only base software, support for UC in order to quick install your cab software or settings. I would donate for such a rom.
Agree? Thank you and sorry for the long post/my english.
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I have installed many intalian and english roms on my diamond, if you're searching for a stabe one I suggest you to try the GenY (a bit old) or Fodd.
Both have no customisation (no strange boot screnn, no ugly icons or else), very few software installed and they are fast and stable:
GenY -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521941
Fodd -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=775419
I used GenY a lot with internet connection and also gps, i'm currently using Fodd and it also seems to fit my needs.
give it a try
(sorry for my english, i hope you can get what i'm saying)

Gremo said:
Are you asking me if I tried them? Of course I did, many of them, but "clean" was just and only the name. It was a waste of time. Either weird icon packages, crap software, slowness & memory leak and many many other problems...
I'm not just asking "you HAVE to cook only clean vanilla rom", just respect other users and their preferences and let people download also the kitchen, included a saved vanilla rom. So hard? So difficult? E.g:
Fresh 6.5.x wm:
- sense rom
- titanium rom
- no gui at all rom (just in case you love spb for example)
Of course no need of software in it, apart from ezinput, camera, and few others really required.
You will be happy if windows would come with, say, firefox, ccleaner, and an explorer replacement?
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Genuine Windows, just like Genuine ROMs go hand in hand
If you want to download a custom built ROM or Windows, then you can not complain when there are extras included

Ok I ended up cooking my very first rom, using latest official diamond one (6.1). I spent a couple of hours to figure out dependencies, but finally it works. Nothing special, just original rom without the software. UC doesn't work, don't know why .
Still looking for 6.5.x rom with titanium and no personalization at all. Thanks anyway to all voting "Yes" to the poll.

Are you serious?! You come here and tell the chefs to show you respect and make a Ferrari out of your Fiat? They even let you use their tools so you can create your awesome, unique, clean, fast and whatever you want your rom to be but you are to lazy to learn a few things. Cheffs owe you nothing! Dont blame them, blame yourself! Your attitude is very bad for this community...

The problem with Diamond ROM development is that there is no official "updated" ROM for the phone. The only possible vanilla ROMs for diamond are 6.1, and very little of the software from the 6.1 official ROM can be used for 6.5 ROM development. Any Diamond ROM that runs 6.5 or 6.5.x is built from software ported from other phones, and assembled using that other ROM as a guide. No modern phone has as little RAM as the Diamond. Using a "clean vanilla" build from any modern phone, makes for a bloated 6.5 Diamond ROM.
A stable, "clean vanilla" 6.5 Diamond ROM is a myth.
That said, clever developers can add compression, use lighter graphics (and get yelled at), choose to leave out needed software, and cut less used functionality to save memory. This can introduce bugs, and rile up users. For every user who wants you to remove a "thingy", you have another user who OMGNEEDS that "thingy" in the ROM. You can start adding "thingy" cab packages, but then you have to support and update those packages, which takes away time from development and testing.
Due to a few pushy users, a lot of devs just jump in and make what they want. If the dev happens to be really nice, he or she will make their ROMs available for everyone else to use. Of course, once they do release their ROM, they get criticized for one design choice after another. After enough negative posts and personal messages, it stops being fun. Eventually only the really stubborn and thick skinned devs stick around.
All that aside, there is just very little incentive to do custom ROMs for user requests. I did something like 30 minor revisions of my ROM, and 16 major revisions. I published as many as 10 different flavors from clean to bloated for every revision. I received as many as 3000 downloads for each ROM release... and yet, I never received a single donation. Lucky for me that I was never in it for the money. =)
In any case, best of luck finding your perfect ROM!

I agree with the idea of the post. Clean ROMs are much more nice, since the user can customize it the way he/she wants.
I've not tryied this much number of ROMs in here, but i am currently using Gen.Y R2.6 and i pretty much like it...
Icons are default, no fancy themes, tones, splashes, no visible nicknames all arround. The only thing visible is the bootleader (when powering on), that has an option to load Android (witch i did not install). Start Menu is also not very pratical, but you can revert it to old-style easely
I also agree that a good clean and complete guide on rom cooking would be very nice! there is A LOT info in here, but it's all scattered in thousands of threads...