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Which one to choose?

i'm looking a rom to replace the official wm6 one.
since this i s the first time i'm doing such thing i'd like to recieve some help.
which rom should i choose?
there are many and the list of features is long and hard to compare between each other, any hint on how to choose and what to look for are well accepted.
thank you.

Lyllo,
Hello and welcome. There must be a thousand threads on here askng the same question.
I suggest you do one of several things:
- Search for each thread asking this question and see what responses were given:
- Look through the threads on here for each rom and from the discussion decide which is best for you (recommended option)
- Choose a number of roms at random, flash them, and see what you think.
I would personally sit down and decide what you are looking for in a rom, eg, speed, stability, speed (don't care about stability), stability (don't care about speed), feature rich versus feature lite, etc.
Once you have done this then go to option 2 above and see what fits. Next read mrvax guides THOROUGHLY (see here...http://www.mrvanx.org/cms/) BEFORE you jump in.
Also it is esential that you read the wiki (see here...http://wiki.xda-developers.com/) BEFORE you jump in.
If you want to change roms safely there is no short cut to assimilating knowledge, understanding thoroughly, then implementing.
Good luck and don't forget to backup your data before you start.
WB

can i go on asking some few things here?
1) wondering what's the difference between Black version and other ones.
2) i've noticed that most of the last releases basically give the same pack of cabs, so which are the parameters to distingush between them? they always define them quite stable, so cant find a way to choose
i'd prefer some more stability in order to have a fully and costant working device, but some speed would be nice.
found the schap's one but can't uderstand if it would be worthy to do an upgrade or not.
basically on this forum i've found that is always worthy...
4) what does at&t means? what has it for?
5) what's about the "big storage"?
thank you and hope i've been quite clear pls excuseme for my english ^^
thanks 4 your attention

lyllo said:
can i go on asking some few things here?
1) wondering what's the difference between Black version and other ones.
2) i've noticed that most of the last releases basically give the same pack of cabs, so which are the parameters to distingush between them? they always define them quite stable, so cant find a way to choose
i'd prefer some more stability in order to have a fully and costant working device, but some speed would be nice.
found the schap's one but can't uderstand if it would be worthy to do an upgrade or not.
basically on this forum i've found that is always worthy...
4) what does at&t means? what has it for?
5) what's about the "big storage"?
thank you and hope i've been quite clear pls excuseme for my english ^^
thanks 4 your attention
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Ok dude.....heres ur answers (please note mrvanx has about 3 bottles of merlot in him to cloud his judgement)
1) Black set the standard for ROMs, however the base ROM has evolved a fair bit since the last version of WM6 black (WM6 Black X).......Right now i recommend doing some reading about Pandora Naked 6....and customizing it for your own needs ;-)
2) Speed/Stability are relative to what you have installed....see 1)
3) Schaps ROMs are a VERY good place to start, however if you wish to truely taylor your device you should read into cooking your own ROM.
4) AT&T is a US based betwork......ignore it unless you are in the US
5) Big storage means the ROM has some optimisation added to the IMGFS file system so the storage space on the device is freed up for you to use, in some cases you could see a storage capacity of 80MB or maybe more!!?
...............finally.....
...INSTALL HARDSPL BEFORE DOING ANYTHING!!!!! good luck. ;-)

thank you ver much ^ì

extremely clear for 3 bottles of merlot, Vanx.. I'm very impressed
Lyllo, I'd say, first of all, install HardSPL like Vanx said
Next, I would advise you to try out some ROMs. The Black is very complete, there are some others who are very good. I personally use Schap's 4.22 and I like it alot (eagerly waiting for 4.30, hint hint Schap ) If you follow the proper procedure, flashing usually is a piece of cake and within 15 minutes you're up and running again.
You can only really know which ROM you like by trying them out for a couple of days. I tried Black and I switched to Schap cos I like it better but it's very personal.
Also, I suggest you take a look at your Radio ROM too. This isn't customised but it highly influences the performance of your Hermes, i.e. how long your battery lasts, how quick you get a link to the internet, how well bluetooth performs and so on. Read the threads on the various versions and pick the one that seems best for you and just give it a go for a couple of days.
After a while you will find your ideal combination. And that will be the best for you.

Shamanix 2.2
If you are not in to Internet Sharing, I would recommend you try Shamanix 2.2. No bugs. Its fast and stable.

I would recommend to give one of Edhaas's Roms a try, they are very fast AND stable:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=320010

thanks to everybody guys.
i'll look around, even if i'm thinkig about waiting for android to give it a try.
these ROMs are wm6 the same, keeping all the M$ defects...

lyllo said:
thanks to everybody guys.
i'll look around, even if i'm thinkig about waiting for android to give it a try.
these ROMs are wm6 the same, keeping all the M$ defects...
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Yeah, thats right.
BUT:
At home I'm using Linux on my desktop system, my previous mobile phone has a Symbian OS. In the last 25 years I was using computers with C64 OS, Amiga OS, MSDos, DR DOS. None of all these operating systems was completely bugfree. Android is based on Linux and much more important: its developed by humans. So again it will have failures
The point is to create a Rom which handles all the given defects in a useful way. And I think some of the Rom devs here did a very good job.

the more static and simple an os is the more stable
the more cutting edge user costimizable and featurefull and advanced an os is the more places bugs and unablity to test all senarios play it's part

thak you guys.
let me just explain deeper that i'm talking about defects, not bugs.
it's quite obvious that human can do some mistake that reflects into bugs, i'm not complaining about that
i was just complainig the way wm6 is designed
anyway, i guess i'll have to wait for android or an iphone surrogate
by now i think i'll at least upgrade the rom from the official to a better in performance one.
there's only one matter, i've just found Schaps' 3.54 one in italian, can you tell me where can i find a list of localized rom in order to choose something newer?
i'd like to scratch as less as possible my ppc, so a full rom, with a sotisfactory set of program would be better.
thank you.

My first question would be are you sure you are using a Hermes/Tytn 1?
You said you were new to all this and asked which ROM you should change to from your stock/official WM6 ROM.
Not many Hermes/Tytn 1's are available with WM6 on them as standard. So just double check you have the phone that is being discussed in this particular sub-forum as if you use the wrong image on the wrong device it can cause big, non-correctable (aka permanent) errors.

At the risk of blowing my own horn, If you are new to this and would like a good start, try my ROM:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=355439
This will:
1) Updates your Radio ROM to the latest version - which many people find performs better (although there are apparently some issues with AT&T network - but as you're not in the US, that doesn't matter here).
2) Give you a featureset similar to what the phone manufacturer would have - including Office 2007, a voice command/dialer application, and the latest Windows Live.
3) Gives you the option to uninstall Office 2007, voice command software and Windows live if you don't want them.
4) Will work with pretty much any network due to the inclusion of the HTC network wizard which sets up your mobile for almost every network worldwide - just pick where you are.
5) Gives you about 54Mb of free storage BEFORE you uninstall any addon applications.
This will give you a solid base to starting to flash your device etc too - which is great

thank you guys.
i'm on a tytn II, not on I, my mystake, i guess i'm a wizard not hermes isn't it
i'll take a look.
this forum is really great, never found so many considerate and patient guys!
thank you very much to every one.

lyllo said:
thank you guys.
i'm on a tytn II, not on I, my mystake, i guess i'm a wizard not hermes isn't it
i'll take a look.
this forum is really great, never found so many considerate and patient guys!
thank you very much to every one.
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TyTN II is a Kaiser NOT a wizard. Do not flash a Wizard ROM!! ^_^

HTC Hermes /Orange SPVM3100 Rom Upgrade

Hi guys at the risk of appearing REALLY dim witted, i am looking for a WM6 upgrade for my M3100.
I have read Mr Vanx Upgrade site, done the olivpro..but now just looking for the rom upgrade.
Anyone know where i can download it from?
Thanks in advance

just keep looking around..
u'll find many rom here..

Hey thanks for the response.
Lol i have..and i am quite new to this..so EXTREMLY confused.
Is their a reccomended WM6 Rom?
I want to most standard one, prefrebly with MSN Messnger on it lol

Hello,
I can assure you you will find only very nice roms on the forum. As soon as you have HardSPL installed, it's ok. Check mainly the first page of this section, there will be the latest roms. I personnaly use PDACorner, it's quite simple but complete and good ROM, but Messenger is not already installed. You can find a cab file on the wiki I think.
In all ways, you have to try by yourself, nobody has an answer for your use of your phone. But don't worry you're here in a self place... at your own risk as they said. Happy flashing.
Toni

HI toni thanks for your response.
I installed Hard SPL yesterday then was itching to install a rom, but their are so many of them...and to be honest i dont understand the difference between them lol.
I might try your PDA corner first lol.
Once i get into the whole rom thing and understand what they actually are, i might try and make a one stop link for people to add and pick and choose lol.

The thing is they are a little bit the same. I barely modify anything in a rom I install (just adding my SNES emulator and japanese I/O), so usually my choice on rom rely on the actual little differences in contents, like the tweak the chief included. And by the way in the last PDACorner, there is an annoying tweak (some program wich replace the bottom bar when you click on it), there is a little registry change to do, and now it's perfect for me! So as I said, just try and find the one which contains what you think is useful for you.

As was stated before, the rom you choose is YOUR choice. Asking whats good is a pointless exercise as there will be a heap of people telling you what rom they think is best. What they want and need may be completely different from what you want and need.
Best advice, read the 1st page, it tells you what apps are included and gives you an idea on whats in the rom. Then read the last few pages. This will tell you what problems people have been having and, maybe, how to fix it. But in the end it depends on what you want in your rom...
Cheers...

Qn: Better to cook with OEM or CAB?

i need to know from those expert chefs. is it better to cook programs via OEM or CAB? does having more OEMs causes the rom to lag? other than pagepool, how do you boost the speed of a rom? and does having a pagepool of more than 32Mb causes some stability issue?
reason im asking is because im trying to customise a custom rom. manila-wise, it works well, except... i have no idea why my photo-video album from the manila lags for a very very very long time before i can select different folders.
i hope to get some answers cos it's kinda difficult getting straight answers around here. yes i know google, forum search etc etc. which i already did. im not asking to be spoonfed. im asking to be taught how to fish so i can fish on my own. bit by bit.
btw, i own a gsm touch diamond. i hope to get some reply.

43 views and NOT EVEN 1 CAN ANSWER????!!!!!!!

DefJamz said:
i need to know from those expert chefs. is it better to cook programs via OEM or CAB? does having more OEMs causes the rom to lag? other than pagepool, how do you boost the speed of a rom? and does having a pagepool of more than 32Mb causes some stability issue?
reason im asking is because im trying to customise a custom rom. manila-wise, it works well, except... i have no idea why my photo-video album from the manila lags for a very very very long time before i can select different folders.
i hope to get some answers cos it's kinda difficult getting straight answers around here. yes i know google, forum search etc etc. which i already did. im not asking to be spoonfed. im asking to be taught how to fish so i can fish on my own. bit by bit.
btw, i own a gsm touch diamond. i hope to get some reply.
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It's better to cook using oem as a cab takes more space i.e space for the cab then space for the installed version so can take nearly double the space.
There should be no speed differences.
Pagepool of 32Mb is going to lead to very little memory left for programs to run in
P.S don't expect somebody to answer your question within 1 day, It's only just over 8 hours and you post a comment like that.

OEM is better, but if you delete the CABs after the installation there won't be wasted disk space... it's equal!

thanx shaks. appreciate the answer. does official rom has some sort of 'build' as the custom ones have? what are rgu and dsm and why does bepe tools delete them when they are necessary in rom building?

not equal!!!!
cabs will install after first boot. and than resarts.
sometime its needed read by 100 persons for get an answer.
or you want get answers like "google your question", "search your question"
or the best "i dont know .."
but excuise me, if you have donate million of millions for searchable putah's in madagarkaaaaar...

@DefJamz: I usually ignore these kind of posts, but yours was blatantly over the edge.
Drop the attitude, and you might expect an answer.

adwinp said:
@DefJamz: I usually ignore these kind of posts, but yours was blatantly over the edge.
Drop the attitude, and you might expect an answer.
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And the manner of the pm's he sent me weren't particulary appreciated - Basically expecting me to share my kitchen and berating chefs who lock their roms/don't share which is my wish wether I want to or not and complaining there aren't any guides for cooking when there are plenty including a very good video one.

shaks1979 said:
And the manner of the pm's he sent me weren't particulary appreciated - Basically expecting me to share my kitchen and berating chefs who lock their roms/don't share which is my wish wether I want to or not and complaining there aren't any guides for cooking when there are plenty including a very good video one.
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Hmm, maybe he had a bad day (which doesn't justiy his actions); I checked his other posts and they were quite normal.
Other than that, the info he was asking was in the stickies, which shows that he was expecting us to spoonfeed him, instead of reading up.

i do NOT need to be spoonfed. i read through even looked up wiki mind you. but sifting through pages after pages looking for answers doesnt help. i ONLY ask as a last resort. i have learnt to "arghh go to hell with it" if chefs locked their rom. it's just like Microsoft. take it or leave it. i know how to edit a custom/official rom. BUUUUUT, i started out with the old version. im learning how to use ervius kitchen and still am. ROM development is supposed to be open and shared. when mondilv decided to leave bcos chefs were locking their rom yet still asked for donations in their sig, i understood & agreed completely. locking a rom only serves to justify "it's mine and there's nothing you can do to try and hack my hack. only i have the key. if there's bugs, i can try to rectify it bcos you're too dumb to create something just like mine" it's stingy dont you think so? it's NOT hacking a hack. it's improving it. so learners like myself can compare how custom roms work. why does this work on this but not that? etc etc..
all of us start somewhere. the experts included. the difference is how well we can read/translate codes. i for one, learn by comparing. and there's nothing to compare if roms are locked.
so thank you.

Lets keep us to the thread instead, also you DefJamz.
What you are asking about, can be found here.
Poor community spirit among XDA cooks
[Q] Locked roms, unable to dump, do the chefs hide something?
Ontopic I would say that it depends on what you cook into it. If you make a .cab for manila, I would say it's slower than when it's cooked in the rom by default.
Cabs are good for minor changes, like messenger updated, album update. Small things, so you don't have to re-flash everytime u find a bug.

danny_and_2 said:
Lets keep us to the thread instead, also you DefJamz.
What you are asking about, can be found here.
Poor community spirit among XDA cooks
[Q] Locked roms, unable to dump, do the chefs hide something?
Ontopic I would say that it depends on what you cook into it. If you make a .cab for manila, I would say it's slower than when it's cooked in the rom by default.
Cabs are good for minor changes, like messenger updated, album update. Small things, so you don't have to re-flash everytime u find a bug.
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i agree. but some folks crazy like myself, wishes to remove/add some stuff via oem. and yeah, i have been reflashing hundreds of times due to me NOT being happy that something small didnt turn out correctly as how i want it to be. imagine this, i rather extract the contents of a cab (manilas or those files that writes themselves into /windows) and paste. why? bcos i hate seeing programs building up into the 'remove program' feature. why? bcos all that i installed in my own modified custom rom is what i need. which is why i prefer oem. but now it's extremely rare to find one that isnt locked. i hate audio/images/samples/programs that i know i wont use at all. i rather remove them and save the extra valuable space for other programs.
im still a very long way from being a complete chef. but sadly, locked custom rom has hindered my progress and now i have to just like everyone else, swallow the pill and deal with it.
edit: and i thought i was the only one grumbling abt locked roms.

dont forget one thing about your grrrrr'ring of locked roms:
you cant get any better reason to start cooking and being a master chef as locked-roms-reason.
i startet with downlading all roms for my device (sometimes for other=bricked)
and hope, that the next time it will exist a combine of bepe and diamond-project. at least, it would not get an equal combine roms and i have to start again with cooking (after long break becauce bricking) roms. the best start could be recooking and deleting not needed/wanted applications. but both cookers locked there roms. o.k. ... ? !!!
now i am in a position to cook that what i really want ... not really,
from 100% i give me 95% of really want and the rest 5% are random.
the most problem is getting new stuff or stable versions of existing stuff.
and here come the other cooker or members with power of interesting to upload for volks.
forgot the locked cookers/chefs, they have do their really good things long time ago and they lost a little bit the spirit of this forum.
i can understand, that some chefs/masters dont give for 546 times the same answer of a question two thread before and five threads before and ...
and one thing helps me really good, other xda-forums with using google-translator. this is the mother of xda-forums, but dont forget uncle, brother, sister and very good looking cuisine ...
have questions. than ask. sometime have wait and sometime have nerv and nerv and nerv again (sorrry, nerv is german, dont know english word and google-translator is on an other tab ..

shaks1979 said:
There should be no speed differences.
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From my experience, there are can be some speed differences.
An OEM with modules (can be UPXed) files will be faster, and take up less room than an exe installed by a cab. And it'll launch faster.

Brand new to WM and I need help please

Hi guys,
I have recently just purchased AT&T Tilt 2 and it is my first HTC as well as my first WM phone. Prior to this purchase, I have been using kids phone like sony ericsson walkman and stuff like that. I was wondering, what are some apps that is a MUST HAVE for the rhodium? What apps can I download to make my tilt 2 run more smoothly? What can i do to make it run more smoothly? Also, What is HARD SPL? and what is flashing?
Thanks in advance for all inputs!!
I cant wait till i get my tilt 2, delivery should take about a week.
Cheers

Welcome to the windows party!
How do you know if you need to speed it up if you don't even have it yet! At least experience it first hand...
HardSPL is a tool that allows you to flash ROMs to your phone that AT&T didn't supply (Such as a ROM direct from HTC, or a custom rom written by one of the great people here at XDA). Without HardSPL, the only ROM that you can apply to your Tilt2 would be from AT&T.
Must have apps depend on your interests. Some people might like a certain app while others could care less for it. There is a lot out there, and thankfully there is now the App Store that you can browse apps yourself and see what is out there. Look through different roms as well and see the apps that people include there. And feel free to search to your hearts content, using the site and using google. There is a lot of information out there.
As for just getting started here, visit the WIKI page for the Rhodium over at wiki.xda-developers.com as it is a great getting started site. Also tilt2.blownfuze.org is a nice place to get started as well with your new phone.
Jason

hi myrandex, thank you very much for the reply. I have been obsessed over this phone for a few months now and finally saved enough money to purchase one. So i have been reading a little bit about this phone and noticed a general consensus about it having lags and stuff so thats why i asked about apps to make it more smooth.
Sorry as I am complete new and ignorant to WM ... but is the benefit of flashing ROMs to your phone and what exactly does it do? and what is the difference between flashing ROMs and the ROMs that AT&T supplied?
And as for the apps, i know their are tons of apps out there suited for different people and different needs. But i was wondering if there is some apps that are generally appreciated by rhodium users and are considered a 'must haves' for every rhodium user. I remember reader about some apps that allows you to run your rhodium with lesser lag? Im not too sure.
And again, thank you very much for the inputs!
I am very happy and excited to join the WM community hehe. Just cant wait to get my hands on my tilt 2.
Cheers

I am just like you...
you could start here for the basics....
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=FAQ
gives a lot of info...
then in the ROM development thread.. start with the one for the noobs.. its a sticky..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550540
try and get as much info from here as possible.. then do your flashing..
good luck..

i too am new to WM, but i would say get use to your phone first before flashing. Once you flash, there might be bugs on the ROM that the chef (person who created the ROM) created and will need updates. Some ROM might clash with some apps and vice versa.
http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/
Awesome site to find apps.
I suggest the following thread for software you should get: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=550973&highlight=facebook&page=1
Hope that helps.

This forum is great, BUT...

This is a great community, but why is so hard to find a really clean rom for Touch Diamond? I mean, you cook a rom, spend hour and hour to make it work, fix it with strange registry entry and then?
Then you:
- ruin it with ugly icon set/missing icons
- you put in it unuseful software or bloatware
- customize it with boot screen & animations with your name/nickname/name of your pet
I'm saying this because I've tried tons of rom and NO one rom is really clean and light as it should be. This is the same reason why you (and I) hate the personalized windows installation one can find on many warez site.
There is no sense in it. Software will be update, icons are beauty for you, maybe not for me. Some software could be useful to you, not for me. And you pretend donation! I know what you are thinking: why not developing your own rom? Of course I have no so much time and no skill to make it work. And I can't find an updated guide to follow. For sure, my rom would be:
- light
- no personalization at all
- no software in it
- supporting UC
I think this is the right way to go: only base software, support for UC in order to quick install your cab software or settings. I would donate for such a rom.
Agree? Thank you and sorry for the long post/my english.

I think this is because these ROMs are custom ROMs published to others. XDA is not a company to build the clean ROMs, it is just the forum of users. Everyopne can build your own ROM if you are able to, some kitchens are published. That is not so hard to remove unwanted stuff...
Mbiba

true ..
totaly agree with you ..
had the same problem when moved over to hd2. from all the customization and make-up cannot use the phone for normal work .. even when flashed "basic-reference" rom even THAN the wallpaper was some (for me) ugly and the clock was customized. so where is the "basic" ?
thats why you need to search and choose from the all the "evil" around .. the smallest one .. i wont say what rom, but there is rom for diamond that even it is customized, you are able to turn OFF all the customization and make-up, and have stock-like low mem usage rom.
i agree that it is not you were asking for, but .. is there another solution ? except flashing stock rom .. that we all agree is slower then custom cooked.
cheers

you guys can try the old aztor x2 ultimate rom. it is like the official rom with tweaks...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=422417&highlight=aztor
but keep in mind that the diamond is an old device, there are no more updates from htc. there is no official 6.5 but tons of ultra light roms without customized icons ... flash one of those and install all your programms.

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Stop whinging like a baby
Dont like the ROMs here, or too lazy to find one that suites your needs, then either *** off, or make your own
Thats like walking into an estate agents and complaining that "Yea you have loads of houses, but why have they all got different carpets, and decor, boohoo why cant you make all the house builders build them all to MY standards"
Sorry buddy, people in this forum have different tastes, its not all about you you you
go somewhere else or make your own

magicdave26 said:
Stop whinging like a baby
Dont like the ROMs here, or too lazy to find one that suites your needs, then either *** off, or make your own
Thats like walking into an estate agents and complaining that "Yea you have loads of houses, but why have they all got different carpets, and decor, boohoo why cant you make all the house builders build them all to MY standards"
Sorry buddy, people in this forum have different tastes, its not all about you you you
go somewhere else or make your own
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Stop replying as a baby. If you don't like this thread, simply ignore it. And, btw, it's not MY need, many people would love such a rom.

Gremo said:
Stop replying as a baby. If you don't like this thread, simply ignore it. And, btw, it's not MY need, many people would love such a rom.
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Have you even looked around ? There are plenty of "Clean" ROMs
Hey some are even NAMED "Clean" lol what are the chances of that ?

magicdave26 said:
Have you even looked around ? There are plenty of "Clean" ROMs
Hey some are even NAMED "Clean" lol what are the chances of that ?
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Are you asking me if I tried them? Of course I did, many of them, but "clean" was just and only the name. It was a waste of time. Either weird icon packages, crap software, slowness & memory leak and many many other problems...
I'm not just asking "you HAVE to cook only clean vanilla rom", just respect other users and their preferences and let people download also the kitchen, included a saved vanilla rom. So hard? So difficult? E.g:
Fresh 6.5.x wm:
- sense rom
- titanium rom
- no gui at all rom (just in case you love spb for example)
Of course no need of software in it, apart from ezinput, camera, and few others really required.
You will be happy if windows would come with, say, firefox, ccleaner, and an explorer replacement?

I have to partially agree with the topicpaster, ofc noone makes you use the roms, many chefs put a lot of work, and cudos to them, but the roms aren't always the way they are advertised, some time passed since I moved from diamond to HD2, but I still have my diamond with a crappy bootscreen (yeah I'm too lazy to search how to remove it, though noone advertized that it'd be changed, and flashing new roms doesn't solve it, not a big deal, but it's just one example...)

romka.t said:
I have to partially agree with the topicpaster, ofc noone makes you use the roms, many chefs put a lot of work, and cudos to them, but the roms aren't always the way they are advertised, some time passed since I moved from diamond to HD2, but I still have my diamond with a crappy bootscreen (yeah I'm too lazy to search how to remove it, though noone advertized that it'd be changed, and flashing new roms doesn't solve it, not a big deal, but it's just one example...)
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Don't be lazy..
just download ervius kitchen and cook anything you want...

there's Gen.Y that is barely a stock rom with sense 2.5. you can use that one,it has no customization at all. and there's also a lot of kitchens released around,people spend time preparing them and making them as easy to understand as possible. you can just download one,disable what you don't need and cook your own clean rom.

yngieaxl said:
Don't be lazy..
just download ervius kitchen and cook anything you want...
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that wasn't my point, and I suppose the original post's point... as I had mentioned, not a big issue...
I do understand that a person that has developed smth, always (mostly) tries to leave a signature of some kind, that's totally ok, but a figure of common sense would be mentioning that

Partially agree, too, but, we must be thankful with the chefs, they make ROM's according to their use, likes and more, so, they don't custom a ROM for you, it's like a car, you can like the outside, the inside, the engine, the power, etc... but, rarely you will like all from that car.
The truth is that when you don't like something is to make something to like it (to make your own ROM), but that doesn't mean anything critic towards you.
I have tried hundred of ROM's, and of course some are horrible in letters, menu, icons, work, speed, etc... but I have found on Ralphusion ROM the best ROM for my needs (TELEPHONE WORK), fast and stable.
All depends on what people want, a ROM to play, games, internet, etc... but... Diamond is limited on hardware, so why to make Sense 2.5 if we can have a super fast ROM with Titanium and have a TELEPHONE (it is not a GPS, it is not a Nintendo DS, it is a telephone....)
By the way, the thread is a good idea, all we have thought about this in some time, but you have explained writing it, so, good idea, maybe some good chef will create the PERFECT STABLE AND FAST ROM FOR DIAMOND, a device that is what it is.... They can call to the project something like.... WHAT HTC SHOULD HAVE DONE FOR ITS DEVICE.
Thanks everybody, best regards.

i dont really want to "advertise" my ROM but i you should try this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=786088
and as far as sense 2.5 on diamond is concerned it just doesnt make much sense
i dont understand why people ignore sense 2.1 its more suited to diamond's hardware

Gremo said:
For sure, my rom would be:
- light
- no personalization at all
- no software in it
- supporting UC
I think this is the right way to go: only base software, support for UC in order to quick install your cab software or settings. I would donate for such a rom.
Agree? Thank you and sorry for the long post/my english.
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I have installed many intalian and english roms on my diamond, if you're searching for a stabe one I suggest you to try the GenY (a bit old) or Fodd.
Both have no customisation (no strange boot screnn, no ugly icons or else), very few software installed and they are fast and stable:
GenY -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=521941
Fodd -> http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=775419
I used GenY a lot with internet connection and also gps, i'm currently using Fodd and it also seems to fit my needs.
give it a try
(sorry for my english, i hope you can get what i'm saying)

Gremo said:
Are you asking me if I tried them? Of course I did, many of them, but "clean" was just and only the name. It was a waste of time. Either weird icon packages, crap software, slowness & memory leak and many many other problems...
I'm not just asking "you HAVE to cook only clean vanilla rom", just respect other users and their preferences and let people download also the kitchen, included a saved vanilla rom. So hard? So difficult? E.g:
Fresh 6.5.x wm:
- sense rom
- titanium rom
- no gui at all rom (just in case you love spb for example)
Of course no need of software in it, apart from ezinput, camera, and few others really required.
You will be happy if windows would come with, say, firefox, ccleaner, and an explorer replacement?
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Genuine Windows, just like Genuine ROMs go hand in hand
If you want to download a custom built ROM or Windows, then you can not complain when there are extras included

Ok I ended up cooking my very first rom, using latest official diamond one (6.1). I spent a couple of hours to figure out dependencies, but finally it works. Nothing special, just original rom without the software. UC doesn't work, don't know why .
Still looking for 6.5.x rom with titanium and no personalization at all. Thanks anyway to all voting "Yes" to the poll.

Are you serious?! You come here and tell the chefs to show you respect and make a Ferrari out of your Fiat? They even let you use their tools so you can create your awesome, unique, clean, fast and whatever you want your rom to be but you are to lazy to learn a few things. Cheffs owe you nothing! Dont blame them, blame yourself! Your attitude is very bad for this community...

The problem with Diamond ROM development is that there is no official "updated" ROM for the phone. The only possible vanilla ROMs for diamond are 6.1, and very little of the software from the 6.1 official ROM can be used for 6.5 ROM development. Any Diamond ROM that runs 6.5 or 6.5.x is built from software ported from other phones, and assembled using that other ROM as a guide. No modern phone has as little RAM as the Diamond. Using a "clean vanilla" build from any modern phone, makes for a bloated 6.5 Diamond ROM.
A stable, "clean vanilla" 6.5 Diamond ROM is a myth.
That said, clever developers can add compression, use lighter graphics (and get yelled at), choose to leave out needed software, and cut less used functionality to save memory. This can introduce bugs, and rile up users. For every user who wants you to remove a "thingy", you have another user who OMGNEEDS that "thingy" in the ROM. You can start adding "thingy" cab packages, but then you have to support and update those packages, which takes away time from development and testing.
Due to a few pushy users, a lot of devs just jump in and make what they want. If the dev happens to be really nice, he or she will make their ROMs available for everyone else to use. Of course, once they do release their ROM, they get criticized for one design choice after another. After enough negative posts and personal messages, it stops being fun. Eventually only the really stubborn and thick skinned devs stick around.
All that aside, there is just very little incentive to do custom ROMs for user requests. I did something like 30 minor revisions of my ROM, and 16 major revisions. I published as many as 10 different flavors from clean to bloated for every revision. I received as many as 3000 downloads for each ROM release... and yet, I never received a single donation. Lucky for me that I was never in it for the money. =)
In any case, best of luck finding your perfect ROM!

I agree with the idea of the post. Clean ROMs are much more nice, since the user can customize it the way he/she wants.
I've not tryied this much number of ROMs in here, but i am currently using Gen.Y R2.6 and i pretty much like it...
Icons are default, no fancy themes, tones, splashes, no visible nicknames all arround. The only thing visible is the bootleader (when powering on), that has an option to load Android (witch i did not install). Start Menu is also not very pratical, but you can revert it to old-style easely
I also agree that a good clean and complete guide on rom cooking would be very nice! there is A LOT info in here, but it's all scattered in thousands of threads...