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Release date of Blue Angel

Hi,
I'm looking forward to buy a Blue Angel from O2 (Xda IIs). I'm worried about how "old" this device realy is. When was it first released? It's still a good choice or there are now better options?
thank you in advance
P.S. This is my first post. I couldn't find anywhere this information...
bye

Blueangel is a workhorse... a slightly old one
Hi
Blueangel is top-shelf all-in-one device. But it seems that there are many newer alternatives from HTC.
As for now it only lacks UMTS, better than VGA camera, better than VGA display and good version of Windows Mobile 2005.
From hardware point of view, it uses somewhat old PXA263 processor.
I'm not saying that it's old... If you buy BlueAngel now it's still a good choice.
If yours budget can survive this, consider some of the newest HTC toys.
(with PXA 270, more ROM and WM2005).

What will be your next handheld???

For a span of 4 years I have owned a few handheld devices namely:
in chronological oreder:
HP RX 3715
FS Loox 720
FS Loox N560
Imate Jam
Treo 650
and the Artemis
I like the inbuilt keyboard of the Treo 650, I also like the VGA screen and fast processor of the N560 but the GPS sucks, and I like the OS stability (though still not perfect) and the quick GPS reception of the Artemis.
I like the single hand operability of the Treo 650.
Im getting sick and tired of using the stylus on my Artemis. You cant really use single hand comfortably.
Now Im looking for an upgrade. Something that combines all what I like.
The Kaiser doesnt get my attention due to the fact thats its very bulky. I dont like the sliding Keyboard.
Treo 750 doesnt have WiFi so its not worth it for me.
Polaris is also out of my wish list.
So to sum it all up, what Im looking for with my next handheld is:
1. fast processor at least 400mhz
2. inbuilt GPS and WiFi
3. big ram and rom
4. inbuilt keyboard like the treo
5. VGA screen
6. high megapixel camera
When will HTC answer my prayers???
If only Treo 750 had GPS and WiFi it will be the ultimate handheld for me.
And what will be your next handheld??? Yes you... I know you want an upgrade... I just know it.

touch cruse
vga screen can be a pile of problems with older apps/games and the likes

the treo 750 is slightly bigger then the kaiser. if the 30g make a big difference, i'm not so sure. i ordered my kaiser already, i will get it on monday...

it looks like this is what Im looking for:
http://www.expansys.com/zoompic.aspx?type=item&i=158759

Kaiser...just auctioned...
but in batterylife i think it's hard to top our Artemis, don't you think ?

petervbeck said:
Kaiser...just auctioned...
but in batterylife i think it's hard to top our Artemis, don't you think ?
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In my own personal opinion, OUR ARTEMIS is the best PDA at the moment! And I have decided to keep it until I find the perfect one for me. That is if the Treo 750 will be upgraded with GPS and WiFi. Or if HTC makes another Artemis with a Treo Keyboard (aka Thumb board) then thats a no brainer for me.

there are three things i really don't like with Artemis: USB1, no keyboard and camera, everything else is ok imo.
Sometimes a faster cpu would be nice, but this will drain batterylife for sure...
i'll post my expirience with my Kaiser when i get it next week...

what about the 02 XDA Stellar?

petervbeck said:
there are three things i really don't like with Artemis: USB1, no keyboard and camera, everything else is ok imo.
Sometimes a faster cpu would be nice, but this will drain batterylife for sure...
i'll post my expirience with my Kaiser when i get it next week...
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I dont mind USB1, and the camera, its there but its unusably crap anyway. My nokia N70s camnera is better.
If only the Artemis had a keyboard and faster processor it will be a keeper.
Anyway Goodluck woth your coming Kaiser...btw have read about the video playback that Kaiser owners complain about???

nm8 said:
I dont mind USB1, and the camera, its there but its unusably crap anyway. My nokia N70s camnera is better.
If only the Artemis had a keyboard and faster processor it will be a keeper.
Anyway Goodluck woth your coming Kaiser...btw have read about the video playback that Kaiser owners complain about???
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i like the external access to my storagecard, this is really convenient, also the keyboard on kaiser - i love it, specially the material it is made of...
Yes, i heard about the video issue - just tried to watch 30 minutes movie with tcpmp - imo no problem. so far i can live with it. The camera is great if you're using it with daylight - autofocus is working very well..but if it is dark, it's again not really usable...
if your comparing artemis and kaiser in weight - the first time you'll be shocked, it's really heavy compared with Artemis (specially the battery)
the only real issue is batterylife as expected....first it was only one day! using gps only with batterypower uses a lot of power
now i flashed another rom and radio rom, it's two days, maximum.
the speed, camera, (ok, speed & camera comes with Polaris) and keyboard of kaiser with the batterylife of artemis - this would be a great device

Hi Pete
Nice to hear youre happy with your brand new toy.
For me, Ill keep the Artemis (this is the best PDA I ever owned so far) for long until something comes out that will really make my heart thump and say GET THAT ONE!
Cheers!!!

Hi ya,
yes i'm happy - but selling my artemis ? NO WAY !
Cheers

P3600 or Touch Cruise ?

I have the chance to sell my P3600 and get a Touch Cruise but P3600 had served me well and I am very happy with it and especially with all the goodies (New Roms from all the Shefs make P3600 very valuable) .....
Dunno what to do.....
I have my hands also the touch Cruise but it feels like a cheap one and not as solid as P3600.... further more the screen of P3600 is a bit larger than Touch Cruise and the camera of Touch Cruise is kinda a bit slow to capture something that moves...... meh.... maybe a rom update will fix all these
I know touch cruise is better than P3600 performance wise but I bought P3600 when it released so I am a bit in touch with it ....
so if you were in my position will you sell your oldy P3600 ???

Hi,
It is your decision but in my opinion Cruise is better then P3600. it has the same processor but mor RAM and better camera. It's mor future then P3600.
Regards

No.
Wait a couple of months more for next generation of devices from HTC. It will be very interesting. P3600 is still very advanced PDA phone, Cruise is uglier, have bad video drivers, bad FM radio, loose buttons, inferior battery.

Very interesting informatios. Do You user this phone?
Regards

banesi said:
No.
Wait a couple of months more for next generation of devices from HTC. It will be very interesting. P3600 is still very advanced PDA phone, Cruise is uglier, have bad video drivers, bad FM radio, loose buttons, inferior battery.
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Do you have any idea what to expect from these new models?

No, I don't work for HTC or something, I just read and look what's going around, after iPhone launch the new revolution has begun, we can expect lot of goodies from HTC and likes, I guess it will be higher resolutions screens, slicker devices, just look at Sony Ericsson Xperia X1, everyone will try to beat it, and remember, it's built in HTC

I have/had the same problem too.
I have the opportunity to have a new phone with a discount because of my actual phone contract... But actually, none of the HTC devices convinced me really.
I was thinking to take a Polaris (which is better than Trinity: AGPS, RAM/ROM, FM)… But nothing really revolutionary.
When I changed my wizard to Trinity, this was a real big jump… And I want to have the same sensation.
Actually I am waiting for the Next HTC devices in September.

Cyrus Kourosh said:
When I changed my wizard to Trinity, this was a real big jump… And I want to have the same sensation.
Actually I am waiting for the Next HTC devices in September.
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Yeap I had also the Wizard and changed it to Trinity and indeed that was a big jump...
I played a bit with the Touch Cruise this weekend but didnt feel any BIG difference ...
Anyway I think I will wait a bit for the next release of HTC ... or maybe go for another model if HTC don't improve their pda ...
btw are you sure that next release of HTC devices will be in September ?

wolfmenace said:
btw are you sure that next release of HTC devices will be in September ?
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Not sure
But... As I remember:
The 2.5" with keyborads came around August-Septemer (Wizard, TyTN, TyTN-II)
The 2.5" inches without keyboard came around 3 months later (S200, Trinity, Polaris)

Oh my god...is it our next beauty....
http://www.nvidia.com/object/hh_games_demos.html
http://www.nvidia.com/object/apx_2500.html

wolfmenace said:
Yeap I had also the Wizard and changed it to Trinity and indeed that was a big jump...
I played a bit with the Touch Cruise this weekend but didnt feel any BIG difference ...
Anyway I think I will wait a bit for the next release of HTC ... or maybe go for another model if HTC don't improve their pda ...
btw are you sure that next release of HTC devices will be in September ?
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Interesting. I sold my wizard 2 weeks ago and i bought the next day Trinity.
Trinity is a great pda and i am going to use it for 1 year or so. Until the next generation of HTC with same functions, vga screen and hopefully next generation of batteries( i read about 10x boost on lion batteries 2 months ago).

Keep trinity
I have trinity for more than a Year, and the touch cruise is the first device that would make me think twice before buying trinity. But if you have a trinity, just stick with it... Touch cruise is the main reason for not having official WM6 for Trinity, because Trinity with WM6 is almost as good as Touch Cruise. Think for a while what are the extra features that you really need from Touch Cruise:
The extra RAM?
The extra ROM?
The extra resolution on the camera?
And remember you would lose this:
1500mA battery.
The mini SD (higher capacity than micro SD).
So If you have a Trinity keep it as long as it works fine. If you don't have a Trinity maybe you should choose Touch Cruise, because it comes with WM6 and all the HTC apps right out of the box.
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Forgot these extras:
Radio FM
Faster GPS
The mini SD (higher capacity than micro SD). <-probably not higher but cheaper and you will not be able to use the card you have on touch.

I think I will have to wait for the next gen of pdas like the Nvidia one
http://www.nvidia.com/object/hh_games_demos.html

@n0t: Do not forget: AGPS + RAdio FM
@wolfmenace: I do not think that we will see HTC device like this before at least two years...

n0t said:
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And remember you would lose this:
1500mA battery.
The mini SD (higher capacity than micro SD).
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You have got to be kidding about the size of storage cards!!.....Please show me a link to a mini SD card with more than 4Gb storage. MicroSD cards are out in 8Gb/12Gb versions.....
Regards,
theknf
Black Trinity
MARY 3.3.5 SL / 8Gb SanDisk MicroSDHC

theknf said:
You have got to be kidding about the size of storage cards!!.....Please show me a link to a mini SD card with more than 4Gb storage. MicroSD cards are out in 8Gb/12Gb versions.....
Yes, this is true. I'm using a 8gb microSD in my Trinity with a miniSD adapter. I've tried many cards and this is the most reliable card I've ever used in my Trinity.
I think if you already have a Trinity, there isn't much in switching to a TouchCruise, unless you must have it, then why not. If you are just coming to the game of these mobile devices then do the price/performance comparison. Either one of these devices are near the top of the pack...for now.
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trinity versus polaris
I have had the 2 devices for testing purpose.
The trinity is great
The polaris is greater BUT not enough to sell a trinity and buy a polaris.
The more interesting thing is the agps wich enable the gps to have a lock 3 or 4 times faster than trinity.
On the cons, the buttons and wheel are far more eeeehhh, difficult to say for a non englishman as my english is far from perfect but let says "far more reachable" so you can touch them without wanted it and in your pocket you must be sure that the buttons are locked.

Comparison tests
Are there any perfomance comparison tests online between the two units (with WM6 on trinity)?

The NVIDIA's look promising, but also look at the iPhone.
I have had the Trinity for over a year (after a Wizard,) and thought it was possibly the best phone available then. But after my wife got an iPhone few months ago, I've been feeling a bit primitive. I have not traded my Trinity, only because I actually use the GPS when traveling.
The iPhone is just so much more usable, it's not funny. The screen is great and it doesn't make my eyes blurry after looking at it (like the Trinity,) and the UI is just light years ahead.
If the next iPhone gets a real GPS, there will be no contest.

Tytn Or Tytn II ???

I want to buy Tytn Or Tytn II ??
Which is better about performance & all ???

they are nearly the same uni just that the TyTN II have the ablity to tilt the screen when it is fully silde out.
Both uni have 400Mhz processor.
TyTN II have more RAM & ROM
I have seen report that TyTN II is getting lower bench mark socre due to the driver on the uni isn't function as they should.
try look up on http://www.gsmarena.com/

and on the tilt there is no flash for the camera and the tilt is still a bit buggy where as the 8525 has been pretty well figured out.

you guys forgot the most important feature. the tytn ii has a built-in gps

Since this is a Hermes thread...GO TYTN...many more customized ROMS!

I thought the tytn II was meant to have part of the processor deicated to the phone operation, rather than sharing the 400 for both? Kind of likedual core?

the tytn ii has a arm9 processor at 270mhz or something like that to handle communications, while the arm11 at 400mhz does the pda stuff

So am I correct in my understanding that the TyTN lack the second arm processor? ie it shares the 400mhz (or416 in some spec sheets) for both data and cmmunicaton processing?

TytnII does have a dedicated processor, and indeed the processor is faster having used both devices.
if you can get both the Tytn and TytnII for the same price then i would go for the TytnII simply because it'll be around for a lot longer than the tytn is and also there will be more and more roms being built for it if you look in the kaiser forums

XtreMe_G said:
you guys forgot the most important feature. the tytn ii has a built-in gps
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I think TyTN have GPS too
Check out this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291181

champsk said:
I think TyTN have GPS too
Check out this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291181
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did you read the thread until the end?? dont have read the whole thing, just read the very last post

truth hurts
I love my Tytn, don't get me wrong. I'm only eying an elf just because it's so damn small, and has double the memory....
Truth is, get the Tytn2 unless it's a big $ difference:
1- Second camera isn't a big deal- most people can't use it in NA anyway.
2- the main camera is 3MP with autofocus
3- it has GPS on-board, which is handier than a bluetooth unit, but not the biggest deal.
4- it has the 3G that the Tytn has, which is nice to have, a LOT faster than just edge...
5- most reviewers have stated it has "a more solid feel" to the unit, which is a complaint I have about my Tytn...
6- first and foremost: double the RAM/ROM. To me, this is a huge deal. I have a 6gb card, so storage isn't the issue, but if programs are stored on the machine, they're faster, and the added RAM means you can run just about anything you want.
Will I trade up to a Tytn2? not for 600-800 bucks.... Would I do it for 200-300? YEP.

I have both.
Only one choice -Tytn2
1. good performance (even without video drivers...)
2. memory more than enough
3. good working sirfIII gps -IGO and Tom Tom 20 sec aquis.
4. good battery vs Tytn
5. good looking PDA Phone- slim enough , perfect slide
6. main camera 3,2Mpixels with autofocus

Dude u totally stole my avatar!!!!! WTF

hermes is better
well friends, I already had a hermes, now I have a kaiser, and I can say hermes is so faster... Qualcomm cpus is the problem... I wanna back to hermes... I ll sell my kaiser and buy another hermes
I think htc wont give a decent video driver to kaiser,,, I saw htc sedna benchs, and the qualcomm score is still bad,,
the problem is qualcomm and not HTC....
friends dont buy any device with qualcomm cpu!!!!!

sebastianmc said:
... I wanna back to hermes... I ll sell my kaiser and buy another hermes
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Hmmm I have a second 8525 that I would be interested in trading, you interested ?

Philux-X said:
Dude u totally stole my avatar!!!!! WTF
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I guess I could say the same....
well, I ain't changing, and I can live with imitation.

I also found the Hermes to be faster. Even though there was more on board memory the tytn2 was slower than the hermes with the same apps open even though it reported to have lots of free memory. Sounds good on paper but not good in practice.
The tytn2 keyboard was sticky and slow to type on as you have to go back and press keys again and wait for the device to catch up with you and remember that you have to be left handed and like using the stylus with your left hand to like using the tytn2 because when the screen is open the stylus and front keys are on the left as opposed to the Hermes which on the right.
Also the tytn2 is buggy and the 3 of them that I had all soft reset themselves intermittently. Tytn2 was a big dissapointment. Im just lucky that I got my money back when they couldnt find me one that worked properly.
Hermes is a much better device.

tytn2 is slow like hermes before tweaking or cooked roms . I never soft reset tytn2 even in navigation + answer calls .

gps navigation + answer calls

What to get?

Hi, I'm deciding on what phone to get the Artemis or the Polaris.. Can u guys help me in choosing what phone to get? thx..

Go for the Polaris you get twice the processor speed and twice the memory plus the Touch interface, in my opinion the Touch Cruise is a grown up version of the Artemis, something called "progress"
I have used my Artemis for 18 months and still think it is a decent device, but the poor availability of memory lets it down, the TC is far better equipped from day one IMH - Mike

thx.. Do u know any1 website that sell the Cruise for cheap? & that's the Cruise have 'Tom,tom"?