Yes, I've decided to take on a mammoth task, welcome to "ROSS"... "Replacment Operating System Structure" for Mobile phones & PDA's =]
The website is located here!
Yeah, you all think i'm crazy "hang on, you can't port Android to X50v!"
Well, not YET, but with help It will be done.
What is android you may ask?
Android is google's open source platform for Mobile phones and PDA's =]
So yes, I plan to create a operating system for X50v to replace WM6 with and allow users to develop/change bits of the operating system they don't like.
There will be a few "flavours"
Lite: Basics, very Basics, just Wifi/bluetooth support, a simple GUI and No applications (just a few settings). This free's up a LOT of RAM + ROM
Medium: The one "hopefully" most people will use, This is the standard one, basic office applications (replacing all the standard WM6 ones) a few games, decent GUI etc.
Heavy: The one that leaves least RAM and ROM available, the one with the most applications + usability, although it may lag a little.
Of course, we're going to build a "super-lite" version first, just to make sure it's flashable to the X50v =]
Maglite_RUS & Football may be willing to help, maybe not, we hope for his help + support throught this project
but first we need a team!!!
If you have any experience in making ROMS for X50v (ONLY, we will work on others after the X50v is done) or developing operating systems (various Linux distro's included) and Java (what the majority is coded in) then please please sign up. I plan to help develop the applications rather than the operating system myself, but I will work on ALL aspects of the project of course
If you're interested, and have found this link of google or something, then don't hesitate to email me here
Feel free to discuss =]
Hi Obsidiandesire...
This could be a great project!
It's very nice to see you're a PPC enthusiast like me...
I'm a PC software developer (not PPC) with quite experience but to start this project we need some black belt coders...
Another Linux project was already started here
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/DellAximX50 but the developing speed was not so fast...
Another issue would surely be the ROM compaction problem that will kick in also on a different OS.
The only thing that could solve this on x50v would be to hack the bootloader in a way to load OS from SD or CF , so all data will be written on a fast write NAND device... By the way this would mean loosing the internal ROM!
But your approach seems to be the most sensible one, as one would never lose the possibility to startup the phone's default os (windows mobile).
It seems quite an interesting project, i have to admit i have a strong will to help you out, as i am also a professional programmer, however i am not a java, or C developer (long time i do not do anything in C), so i guess i am more of a designer myself
Well, i will keep up with this post and maybe we will colaborate in the future, i feel it's time to have our own software in the mobile's, i hate the microsoft's approach to the os handling.
Glad to see we're getting some interest in this project!!!
Hopefully, soon we could set up a website and start developing =]
who knows, we may be the lucky winners of the google competition and get $10 million! (not much use to me because im british lol)
So, you're Idea would be basically multi-boot?
sounds good, but we'd need to modify the bootloader (maybe hold enter, power + reset to switch to ROSS-Mobile?)
Sounds good! and i've just started learning Java too, so this project could take a while, hopefully, if it starts getting quite a bit of attention, we could move it to other platforms (HTC touch etc) which would make us Gods within the PDA community
I do like the posibilities of Android as it looks like it could make good use of the graphics chip in the X50v and it wouldn't have Windows Mobile lagging it down
How much RAM does it have again? It would be as powerfull as an old PC if you overclock it slightly (700mhz, 32MB RAM, 16MB graphics or something like that) and slap on a minimal OS and you could have your own [email protected] Pocket version! lol
Sorry if i've gone off on a tangent, i'm really excited about Android and it's possibilities.
First steps though, how would you get the DEFAULT android software to boot on the X50v? I think this should be our goal before starting on the project itself
this is cool. if anyone gets this to work i would be happy to be a tester. i don't know much about programming but have flash other devices with Linux.
A bit a info i picked up on flashing Linux on ipaqs is that you had to flash a new bootloader that would boot both wince and Linux. don't know why both but maybe to return to wince because to flash the boot loader you did it with a app that ran on wince and after that you would boot the bootloader and make a serial connection so that you could send the linux distro and erase wince.
Thanks for the info, more help on how to do this would be great! (I could try this on my X50v for testing purposes)
would it not be actually possible to boot the android/linux directly from a storage card? so as to effectively allow users to 'dual' boot?
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would it not be actually possible to boot the android/linux directly from a storage card? so as to effectively allow users to 'dual' boot?
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Each time you would boot a os you would erase saved data (hard reset) because you would need the memory were the settings are for each os. but thats is what i think i haven't flash a device for a long time so im out of date on this as far as if they gotten a doul boot win ce and linux but i assume that this will be a problem with win ce and android dual boot.
You would have to put both os in the flash mamory(were the os goes) and find a way to save the settings from a os and store them so that it can load the settings for the other os and vice versa
but you could do it like linux on a palm zire72. i have linux on my zire but linux is on the memory card when i reset the device it will reboot onto the palm os, so no flashing happens just load the bootloader through the palm os and linux kernel loads, but at the same time palm os is hard reseted, this is palm but same linux that is used on ppc. You would need to find a way too load a bootloader during win ce but dont see that this is possible. only one os at a time.
And Obsidiandesire i will try to get an old friend that used to work on porting linux to ppc he might help on the bootloader part but haven't herd from him for a long time but will try hard on finding him. but as long as we get many people this might be possible. i will post later if i find him.(good luck on your leg)
or, the flash memory card from which you 'boot' the android/linux from could actually hold a partition which served as a flash drive/storage drive aswell? so effectively it would mean you would require something like a 1gb or 512mb card, splitting that to allow you RAM and ROM space but i cant see why that would be too difficult. it would just be a matter of tricking the linux to thinking the local on-drive storage is its 'root' drive and the default drive to save to and to completely and totally NOT access any of the WM stuff on the flash memory that is hard-soldered onto the handset.
not sure if this helps, just bandying ideas around at the mo!
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or, the flash memory card from which you 'boot' the android/linux from could actually hold a partition which served as a flash drive/storage drive aswell? so effectively it would mean you would require something like a 1gb or 512mb card, splitting that to allow you RAM and ROM space but i cant see why that would be too difficult. it would just be a matter of tricking the linux to thinking the local on-drive storage is its 'root' drive and the default drive to save to and to completely and totally NOT access any of the WM stuff on the flash memory that is hard-soldered onto the handset.
not sure if this helps, just bandying ideas around at the mo!
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I see what you mean, but then the card might not be recognised in windows =/
However, denying the operating system access to writing the rom (and store everything in RAM) might work, but all settings would have to be stored on the SD card which could lead to a slow application.
The SDK (with the sample apps) itself is around 100MB, but Methinks that the final OS will be around 30MB (Without any apps)
Expanding on the partition Idea, what about partitioning the ROM itself? This might require a special WM6/5/CE ROM but one flash compared to many (everytime the device boots) could be worth it, and it could get round the setttings loss if we restrict each one to not write over the other?
My leg is getting better thankyou, seems like a severe muscle strain (The doctor said) so i should be back in school tomorrow.... great
i see what you mean by the card not being recognised by windows and offer a simple solution:
have a DEDICATED card for android and a seperate card for storage under WM.
to be completely honest with you, theres people on here spending hundreds and hundreds of pounds to have the latest device (and im one of them) im sure they wouldnt mind spending an extra few pounds for another memory card which would allow amazing functionality without actually jeapordising their current WM install (so they can have an install of WM6 to fall back onto)
what i propose is the following system:
1) MEMORY card formatted and partitioned to allow more or less the same sort of structure of memory/ram as the onboard memory does
2) INSTALL the actual android/linux to the memory card utilising the space as you would the hard-soldered memory on the phone without actually modifying the handset itself in any way whatsoever.
3) THIS method allows people to effectively dual-boot android/WM6/5 without the danger of them actually ruining their WM6 install, effectively using the android/linux platform to play about with whilst having the original WM6 to fall back onto for day-to-day usage.
shouldnt be too difficult to accomplish, im sure a modified bootloader would do the job pretty well, cant see why without the help of Olipro and Pof this cant be done!
LETS GET THE BALL ROLLING!
Seems good, but what, have the SD card for storage and CF for the OS? 'cos you obviously can't have 2 SD cards in the X50v (unless there's a CF-SD card adapter lying around somewhere on the web or on a shelf)
But as far as getting the ball rolling, yeah!!
Work on having the vanilla build of android (one included in the SDK) running before starting from scratch!
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Seems good, but what, have the SD card for storage and CF for the OS? 'cos you obviously can't have 2 SD cards in the X50v (unless there's a CF-SD card adapter lying around somewhere on the web or on a shelf)
But as far as getting the ball rolling, yeah!!
Work on having the vanilla build of android (one included in the SDK) running before starting from scratch!
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another problem would be on getting the bootloader to see the cf card and that maybe a problem, we would need to add one of the slots(sd or cf) to the bootloader and let us choose what os to boot or what memory to boot(sd,cf, or rom mem).
the other way if we don't want to modify anything would be loading a bootloader during winidows mobile.
i hate this time difference
i cant see why you cant actually have the android on the SD card and stick to having the CF card as storage for both WM and Linux
that way, it would mean a sort of 'standardising' for people to port over to other phones which use SD based memory cards.rather than making it bespoke to CF capable devices (of which there arent many!)
Yes, the problems will be a rebuild of the bootloader to recognise both SD + CF cards.
And loading the bootloader under Windows mobile could be good, but you'd then have to terminate WM (which could be a problem)
And which part of the USA do you live in? There's probably an 8 or 9 hour time difference :-(
@dude_stix
well, even so, you'd need both SD + CF storage, which AGAIN could be a problem. But (in my experience) CF is more expensive, and considering Android will take up less space, It seems a more viable option (in my example, a 32MB CF card would be useless if I installed Android on a 2GB SD card and nullified the rest of the space for use (which could happen))
I think the easier option would be to modify the bootloader to look for images on both cards and install on the one with the image on it.
What about drivers etc? Obviously these would be needed for most things.
drivers????
thats all i got but it would not be hard if htc releases its android devices soon so we can get ideas from them. still today linux devices have problems with bluetooth, wifi, backlight, sd, etc...
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That's a 6 hour time differance :/
The Drivers being the things (mainly DLL's in WM) that controll the wifi/bluetooth etc.
This is why Linux has problems with them, i think they have to rebuild their own or something, which could pose a problem.
Do you think we should set a website & Forums up, or is it too early at the moment?
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drivers????
thats all i got but it would not be hard if htc releases its android devices soon so we can get ideas from them. still today linux devices have problems with bluetooth, wifi, backlight, sd, etc...
posted on 5:23 pm here in south central US (Texas)
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Yeah... ...Drivers!!
This will be the hard one...
With WM6 cooked rom it was easy... We could reuse WM5 drivers written specifically for that device (x50v and x51v needed a specific driver for the 2700G chipset).... So if there won't be any Smartphone with such chipset with Android pre-installed it would be very hard to write that drivers from scratch... By the way somewhere I remeber I found a PowerVR driver source code for Linux that could be useful to do the job...
Cheers
Antineutrino said:
Yeah... ...Drivers!!
This will be the hard one...
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Cheers
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Isn't the drivers' job what the linux kernel is supposed to do? Why don't you go grab the kernel from the gpe/opie project and add the android image to it, partition the sd card with a windows and a linux partition like the other linux guys do, load the ramdisk like they do and see if it works. At least they have a start on the drivers for the Axim.
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Isn't the drivers' job what the linux kernel is supposed to do? Why don't you go grab the kernel from the gpe/opie project and add the android image to it, partition the sd card with a windows and a linux partition like the other linux guys do, load the ramdisk like they do and see if it works. At least they have a start on the drivers for the Axim.
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Well, this could be a start indeed, now how do we get android actually ON the x50v??
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Is there any tool or software that will allow me to update my devices and flash them while I am on the Linux platform? The Linux platform is my os for my laptop; I do have windows running in at virtual box however I have no luck actually syncing the device through it. So I have quit trying however still would like to flash my roms and etc to my device because the laptop is just so convenient vs sitting at the desktop (keeping my ol' lady up).... Does anyone have any ideas for achieving this
since you did not say wat device you were using, this may or may not apply to you.......some devices can be upgraded using the sd card.
Yea sorry about that I am using the Xda Flame, Tilt, and Treo750 (have flashed from memory card before on the treo only: However lately it won't due it for some odd reason (worked before the first leaked WM6), But I found the ATT update off the comp worked fine). It's wierd I guess I am gonna have to study it a little more and figure out how to extract cabs. from my programs which require being synced to the comp (I think it can be done using WINRAR). Looks like I will have to buy an spare micro SD for flashing roms via the flashcard becuase I have my sd cards set just right for each device with minimal use of the computer (have a folder with alot of the needed software cabs). But hey thanks for the help I will give it a shot and see how it goes. I pulled out my bluetooth usb last night and will begin to figure out a way to sync my device with that. The install went good over on the virtual box. Will be able to see if I can get it to actually sync tonight since the old lady will be working late...
Hello,
like the title says i'd like to know if it's possible to create a bootloader or somewhat which is able to boot the standard OS from the device and a second OS from the memory card?
Let's say - if you switch the device on, you could choose whether to boot from the device (WM) or the memory card (Android).
Is it possible? Let's say - for the HTC HD2 for example?
What i found so far, is this and this article, as well as several threads in this forum. At least some really good dev's made it and ported Android to Touch HD for example. A bootloader would be needed in order to select, what to boot.
Thanks in advance.
Sincerely, nitrate
What currently happens is WM gets booted and then Haret gets run which acts as a bootloader.
You could streamline the process, and have haret run sooner, but given Android is currently not that stable I'd want to boot to WM myself.
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but given Android is currently not that stable I'd want to boot to WM myself.
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What?? I switched to my Android phone from a WinMO and I am upset because I didn't do it sooner.
Android on non-android devices is a little unstable, native android devices are stable enough. As far as bootloaders go, what most would like to see is a way of getting Android off SD and into ROM, so that we could boot directly into Android without needing to involve WM at all.
However unless someone can rewrite something like the OpenHandHeld bootloader for use with HTC devices, Haret will be the only way to boot Android for the forseeable future, plus, with the lack of stability on non-android hardware, I like the option of having WM there, just to fall back on if needed.
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Android on non-android devices is a little unstable, native android devices are stable enough. As far as bootloaders go, what most would like to see is a way of getting Android off SD and into ROM, so that we could boot directly into Android without needing to involve WM at all.
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This is what i want to know as well. A bootloader which let's you choose between booting WM from the devices' internal space or Android from the microSDHC-card.
And of course this bootloader should boot at first, just before WM does - kinda a boot menu of a Desktop PC which has Windows and Linux installed.
If it were possible to run a boot loader on your WM* device and dual boot there would be one major draw back (in my opinion); the architecture of these devices, without a storage card, uses the available memory for RAM and storage. Unlike your home PC that has specific Memory Chips and a Hard Disk Drive used for RAM and Storage specifically (if we ignore virtual memory for a minute) which means you can pack the disk space pretty much full and not effect the performance of the system.
Mobile Devices use some sort of Eeprom/solid state memory with XXXmb of memory. The more data files that you put inside the XXXmb of memory (in storage) means that the software you are running (WM6.5 + HTC Sense etc.) have less RAM to do their work, and the system is noticeably slower.
So back to the original topic, dual boot would suggest two OS residing in the devices ROM / XXXmb and a drastic reduction in performance, regardless of the OS WinMo or Android (linux)...
Saying that i have Android on my HD, using Haret.exe... I don't use it often and it is buggy - but the fact I've got it there shows that I'm still on the fence.
Hello,
I need some help. Install its Android OS, but after he reset my Kaiser again charged WinMo OS. My question is whether it is possible to choose which OS to load first or with any program or edit the file to indicate to launch the first Android.
Sorry for my bad english :S Use Google translator
If you have installed Android to SD card and use Haret.exe then it will always reboot to WM.
You must install to nand if you wish to boot to Android only, which will wipe WM totally and replace it with Android.
The guide stickied at the top of the forum is a good tutorial in doing this
That does bring a good point to my mind though, we could create an exe that loads at startup of wm to auto load haret and startup if the user doesn't cancel in so many seconds (like grub). I keep WM on my phone so I can easily change my droid version and also I know everything works including opening office files (actually that's the biggest sticking point for me keeping it).
Thanks for support. Today I try to flash via NAND method.
Kind Regards
Lybomir
I flash my Kaiser with latest zImage-2.6.32-froyo-09-09-10_21 from here http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/files/?C=M;O=D and my device loading Android OS very slow, and big problem is : Phone go in screensaver and I try to unlock and screeen stay only in white light, no picture, no widgets... total block. Only solution is it a use Soft reset button or remove batery
Maybe you choose the wrong panel type?
I can read in your signature Duo Boot so I guess you installed onto the SD and use Haret to run Android.
If so, you have to edit the default.txt file locate in ANDBOOT folder and modify the value following htckaiser.panel_type.
You can specify 1, 2 or 3 (most Kaisers use panel type 2)
Wrong panel type may lead to awake problems or wrong colors...
The excessive slowness may be due to a slow SD. Which class is it? Use at least class 4 SD.
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In case you already flashed to NAND, to change the panel type you have to choose the right kernel (the kaisimg file) or you can edit the one you flashed following instructions and links you can find in #4 at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=680518
obviously you have to reflash the kaisimg.nbh but you don't need to flash Android again
I try with 1,2 and 3 but every time show me a this problem, and now i run HaRET and in 2 from 3 times phone block and not response only Soft reset work, and if case phone load complete Android and again in screen seaver system not respond... ;(
I flash my phone with ext2 partition on my sd card/ class 4 8 GB SDHC/ and try with system and data on sdcard an again freez white screen/
Sorry for my bad english
dlink.bg said:
I try with 1,2 and 3 but every time show me a this problem, and now i run HaRET and in 2 from 3 times phone block and not response only Soft reset work, and if case phone load complete Android and again in screen seaver system not respond... ;(
I flash my phone with ext2 partition on my sd card/ class 4 8 GB SDHC/ and try with system and data on sdcard an again freez white screen/
Sorry for my bad english
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May you try to install a different build and see if you fall into the same problem?
BTW, just after installing, don't start playing soon with the device: initially skip all settings (touch the android, don't set google account and so on) and leave the phone quiet for at least 10-15 minutes: some builds need to copy file to the cache and playing with the device may interfere with this operation leading to unpredictable effects...
Let we know...
It is slow because you installed it on sdcard.. both partition.. if you are on nand. Try install both partition on nand partition.. and try hawks soad rls 3 as me.. its fastest build for kaiser.. and I haven't ever problem with white screen ata awake.. try it in that haws soad ion build.. you can finf it in that forun.. just find it
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I find a solution! Later I post how find solution
Thanks on every in this thread to help me!
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I find a solution! Later I post how find solution
Thanks on every in this thread to help me!
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You're welcome
And I'm waiting to know
Don't suppose any of you have actually seen this thread?
Gen.Y DualBOOT v1.0.6.0
Should work fine on Kaiser, certainly works fine on other devices, such as Diamond, Blackstone etc
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Don't suppose any of you have actually seen this thread?
Gen.Y DualBOOT v1.0.6.0
Should work fine on Kaiser, certainly works fine on other devices, such as Diamond, Blackstone etc
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Hi Zenity... Yes, know that piece of software.
But as You have to boot WinMo (Yes, I Know, not all the services need to be running but system must be loaded and started, GUI must be running and so on) in order to DualBOOT can start, I can guess it's only a partial time-save... isn't it? Did You tried it?
Have not tried it on my Kaiser, since it is Nand flashed, but I think it is what was being asked for really, a way to boot either WM, or straight into Android on SD.
I don't think it will ever be possible for both WM and Android to co-exist on nand, since there simply is not enough room on the internal memory for both.
It is a time saver on other devices I have tried it on, Diamond, Blackstone, however since neither of these devices is nand-flashable this is more what Gen-Y's dual boot was intended for.
If it was possible to run WM from SD then we might be able to truly Dual Boot, in a similar fashion to Windows/Linux on PC, but as far as I know this is not possible either.
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Have not tried it on my Kaiser, since it is Nand flashed, but I think it is what was being asked for really, a way to boot either WM, or straight into Android on SD.
I don't think it will ever be possible for both WM and Android to co-exist on nand, since there simply is not enough room on the internal memory for both.
It is a time saver on other devices I have tried it on, Diamond, Blackstone, however since neither of these devices is nand-flashable this is more what Gen-Y's dual boot was intended for.
If it was possible to run WM from SD then we might be able to truly Dual Boot, in a similar fashion to Windows/Linux on PC, but as far as I know this is not possible either.
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Yes, of course we haven't enough NAND to have both OSes!!!
What I was thinking to (but I'm a lot far to inspect WinMo booting sequence...) is if may be possible to wedge a sort of bootloader running BEFORE the OS loads or in the early booting process and letting we choose to boot WinMo (in NAND) of Android (on SD).
At present moment I've Android running from SD but kernel NANDed (I've got problems running out of NAND and no time to solve them so I'm using the solid build previously installed on SD) so Kaiser boots quickly... and this confirms it's possible boot SD Android without having to load WinMo or Haret. The more relevant matter I can see is that we have to find a way to wedge the bootloader without have to manual modify the WinMo ROM (virtualization is far from be considered on such devices...)
I suppose this is just a "mind exercise" (Sorry, I don't know how to correctly translate an Italian common saying...
Mind exercise describes it perfectly
Not sure why you would run out of space on nand, unless you are loading a lot of apps, and there are ways to run android that may help with that, such as apps2sd, or data on SD partition.
If you must have WM then your only choice would be using Haret.exe, and the most efficient way to dual boot we have at the moment is the Gen-Y solution, which is not ideal, but does offer at least part of what you seek.
The Android bootloader we use (tinboot.s) is not flexible enough to allow dual booting, but may have some information that may be of some use in this
tinboot thread
See what you think anyway
Sorry, I was not able to be clear... I apologize for my English...
When I said "I've got problems running out of NAND" I intended to say "I've got problems - very bad performances - when Android was running from NAND"!!!
Maybe we are a bit OT...
BTW, I was far from software developing for a long while and never developed low level software for Linux/Unix... but in the past I messed up with Z80, 65xx, 68K and x86 platforms's assembly
Recently I need to approach software developing again (but at a really different level...)
I'd like to have spare time to start again, as this world attracts me more. Maybe I'll give it a chance...
Let me understand... tinboot is actually used bootloader?
BTW, just to be clear... I don't need WinMo and I'm giving Android a chance to revive my Kaiser. I'm looking for a fast and stable build and actually I'm running VaniljEclair RLS11 (Yes, I know, I'd try your Polymod 2.1D build... )
Tinboot is the bootloader we use to get android in nand, not being a coder my understanding in limited, however I did think that thread may have useful information for anyone interested in the low level workings of out devices.
I assumed you meant running out of space on nand, lol, i see now what you mean, no need to apologise for you english, it's fine
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however I did think that thread may have useful information for anyone interested in the low level workings of out devices.
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And you're right... it's a useful starting point and I'll read it accurately...
Unluckly, I need a lot of spare time (and I don't, at present) to build a solid knowledge base and to start developing for Android.
yes there should be plenty of room for both oses on Nand, I still have over 90 mb on my wm6.5 nand install with come extra apps in there. So if you stripped down both oses you could easily fit them both on nand and still some space left. But then you need to have a boot loader that will be able to load both oses. I think I heard someone say somewhere they are using grub to boot android from nand, that can boot windows also with the right configuration, that would be where to start.
It's been a while since i've been here, still work with the old Energy Rom in WM6.5 from June
Last time I visited this forum, they mentionned the TP2 would never be able to run Android.
Now I see there is an Android section here and I tested the latest Thunderbolt_V1 but that's a rom that runs into windows with a virtual machine.
Isn't it still possible to boot a 100% Android rom?
Somebody must find some tweaks and tricks, even if it's to heavy maybe a light-Android
No one is running android in a virtual machine on their TP2. Winmo is used to initialize hardware before xdandroid boots (don't know anything about thunderbolt, but I haven't heard good things about tiad, so maybe that wasn't your best bet for a first run). I hear there are some super unobtrusive light-weight winmo roms that will boot up without loading all the interface stuff and then auto boot to xdandroid. But it's still going to be kind of slow because it's a hack running off the sd card and optimization is a trial and error sort of thing by generous volunteers here.
As far as a real nand build, some folks are working on it, I mostly see activity at ppcgeeks. I hear it's not ready for primetime. It's possible it might never be, though I wouldn't want to discourage the kind souls plugging away at it. Best way to get it IMO is to hit some donate links for the people working on it.
Hi,
android doesn't run off a virtual machine, HaRET is a program that kicks winmo from memory, and initializes linux. Any changes you make in android are saved on real partitions, not containers or such, as is used in virtual machines, and changes are also permanent. Basically your external sd card's 3 ext2 partitions mimic the setup that is inside a normal android phone.
Thunderbolt v1 so far is a great rom for me (the first fully functioning one; because of that, android now my daily os), and its installed on your SD card. If you want an internal android os, try tiad8's NAND builds on his website, he has one or two versions (at your own risk, they're VERY experimental AFAIK).
waltibaba said:
Hi,
android doesn't run off a virtual machine, HaRET is a program that kicks winmo from memory, and initializes linux. Any changes you make in android are saved on real partitions, not containers or such, as is used in virtual machines, and changes are also permanent. Basically your external sd card's 3 ext2 partitions mimic the setup that is inside a normal android phone.
Thunderbolt v1 so far is a great rom for me (the first fully functioning one; because of that, android now my daily os), and its installed on your SD card. If you want an internal android os, try tiad8's NAND builds on his website, he has one or two versions (at your own risk, they're VERY experimental AFAIK).
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Please don't direct people to other websites. NAND development started here on the TP2. He's only stolen the work of the brilliant devs here, and branded it as his own.
Did you somehow miss this thread?
NAND Testing - 05-25 Update: New LK, Recovery.img, Kernel Updates through Recovery
tiad8 is a hack and a fraud, there is the proof.
andriod for tp2 isn,t virtual it,s real and i advise you not to install it on your phone as you don't know that it is virtual and then you come and say xda briked my phone
Hello i´m brand new here and wonder if my question is too easy or too seldom to be answered but i am stuck with this probleme as i don´t know how things are working.
i rooted my s4 mini gt i 9195 4.4.2, that wasn´t a too big deal.
thereafter i wanted to secure all my data and used the standard 4.4.2 cryption (encoding) tool for both the phone and the exsd card.
since then i do not have anymore root rights.
is it so that root rises everytime a phone is booted but a crypted can´t as the phone can´t acess any memory in the boot mode ?
i´m sorry if this question is too oversimple but i´m fully stuck and can´t find how to root the device and same time have it fully crypted phone and exsd card.
maybe someone there to help me with this problem ?
thank you very much in advance !
wannert said:
Hello i´m brand new here and wonder if my question is too easy or too seldom to be answered but i am stuck with this probleme as i don´t know how things are working.
i rooted my s4 mini gt i 9195 4.4.2, that wasn´t a too big deal.
thereafter i wanted to secure all my data and used the standard 4.4.2 cryption (encoding) tool for both the phone and the exsd card.
since then i do not have anymore root rights.
is it so that root rises everytime a phone is booted but a crypted can´t as the phone can´t acess any memory in the boot mode ?
i´m sorry if this question is too oversimple but i´m fully stuck and can´t find how to root the device and same time have it fully crypted phone and exsd card.
maybe someone there to help me with this problem ?
thank you very much in advance !
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it's a very long time ago I thought of stock fimware, but it should be possible to have root and encryption. But I think you might have to unroot, encrypt & then reroot. (but it may also depend on the rooting method and/or the version of the root package you are using).
If you tell us which root method you are using and the version maybe someone else will be able to help who rooted stock ver 4.
Personally I'd say you should update to to a newer custom rom which is more secure and will have more support here on forums (through you will lose the Samsung apps like s-memo etc but there are plenty of apps to replace them). Also I think the open source root addon package from Linage OS (only works on Linage rom) is best as many of the root packages have questions over trust & access by governments from the source country, if not out right malware, in my opinion.
Eg Kingroot, though they are not the only ones,
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/general/kingroot-malware-adware-root-t3563090
thank you...
... very much for your answer, i will start the process all over, i was thinking that an other, particular a newer then stockrom might become slower, but i have also been thinking already about the linage os, but i haven´t been checking enough yet to be able to make decision. i anyhow wanted to use root also for deleting basically all bloatware and system apps i won´t use or replace them by open source, but my limited knowlegde in general about the android system didn´t let me come to a good and fully useful system yet which fullfills my requirements of fully crypted including sd card and same time having the power of deleting apps and being able if needed to move all apps which i want to the sd card and withdraw rights of apps. i will now investigate linage more, but somehow i had in mind it´s not existing for every phone i.e. my samsung gti9195.
do you know if there is anything what can use truecrypt in opensource for mounting and creating containers under android ?
wannert said:
... very much for your answer, i will start the process all over, i was thinking that an other, particular a newer then stockrom might become slower, but i have also been thinking already about the linage os, but i haven´t been checking enough yet to be able to make decision. i anyhow wanted to use root also for deleting basically all bloatware and system apps i won´t use or replace them by open source, but my limited knowlegde in general about the android system didn´t let me come to a good and fully useful system yet which fullfills my requirements of fully crypted including sd card and same time having the power of deleting apps and being able if needed to move all apps which i want to the sd card and withdraw rights of apps. i will now investigate linage more, but somehow i had in mind it´s not existing for every phone i.e. my samsung gti9195.
do you know if there is anything what can use truecrypt in opensource for mounting and creating containers under android ?
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No Android doesn't get slower and slower like Windows did as out works differently, newer versions have even better memory management.
If you have the normal international I9195 phone (no other letters after it) then there is a linage rom for it, that's what I have.
No you can't use Truecrypt, Veracrypt or similar on Android, as far as I know. There are apps that allow you to open Truecrypt containers but I had my doubts about almost all of them, though I didn't fully research as I don't really need it. Android built in encryption is regarded as good enough, ..... though as the key is stored in memory (on our model, & most Android phones) it could be recovered on our phones by a sophisticated attacker with personal access to a powered up phone using for example direct chip probing, freezing etc. (BTW Truecrypt is also known to have weaknesses now)
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IronRoo said:
if you want people to see your answer/repy make sure you use the quote button or @username so hey get a notification.
No Android doesn't get slower and slower like Windows did as out works differently, newer versions have even better memory management.
If you have the normal international I9195 phone (no other letters after it) then there is a linage rom for it, that's what I have.
No you can't use Truecrypt, Veracrypt or similar on Android, as far as I know. There are apps that allow you to open Truecrypt containers but I had my doubts about almost all of them, though I didn't fully research as I don't really need it. Android built in encryption is regarded as good enough, ..... though as the key is stored in memory (on our model, & most Android phones) it could be recovered on our phones by a sophisticated attacker with personal access to a powered up phone using for example direct chip probing, freezing etc. (BTW Truecrypt is also known to have weaknesses now)
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i downloaded now the linage s4mini lte version, mine is basic gti9195 with no extras, but hadn´t yet the time to give it a try. first i´ll have to decrypt the 200gb sd card i´m using, for that longperiod it´s taking for backdecrytion i´ll have to be home, which is in 3 days.
first i didn´t want to try linage as i understood that google was somehow buying cynagenmod some time ago. of course a stock rom is anyhow by google so it would make no difference if google would be involved in linage by part owning it.
the crypted containers would help to use the sd card flexible also in the case u want to swap it around for the purpose of sharing files with other systems or phones fast, like a portable hdd, with a crypted card you are locked to your phone, and i also don´t know if it would work after it´s removed once from the phone and used after another has been inserted.
i investigated some time ago those apps which were cabable to open true and veracrypt containers, but i didn´t manage to use them, same time i also had doubts about them in general as you did.
i personally still trust true crypt most as it was born as far i understood independently, the slight risks it has concerning those mentioned hack methodes are as i see only if the device is physically out of hand, with this risk i can live as it needs some effort to be hacked.
but it looks like for a phone, which i´m actioally not using as a phone(mine is an old nokia) but as an small perfect mainly offline computer which has all offline to hand, wikipedia, mapsme, general helpful apps and own data without storing it in a cloud etc i will now go the complet cryption for both the phone and the sd card as containers don´t work, and it´s nice to have all privat data like lifetime pictures and videos with you without fearing too loose them. i wonder if the phone can crypt more than one sdcard and use it when changing , so it would be easy to have some tens of terabyte of data behind the cover.
i will tell you when linage works, it might take still some time and new questions from that arise, as i´m still fully novice with this whole android thema as i haven´t been working with linux systems yet in general.