One of the most annoying things about devices these days is the bevel that goes around the screen that higher than the rest of the screen. THis bevel, while it DOES protect the screen, makes it impossible to use your fingers to push the x-button with any consistency?
Are there any glass or rigid plastic made sheet protectors that make the screen flush with the surface of the phone?
BY the way, I would think this goes without speaking, but let's make sure that the touch screen is still usable after applying this. I don't know that much about how touchscreens work.
like this?
http://www.shieldzone.com/
its not glass but i've seen the demo videos looks pretty tough
they work by preasure so the protector have to be able to transfer the preasure and real glass and other really hard meterials cant
really? I was under the impression they were capacitative in some respect.
How about some thick plastic then. I really want it flush with the surface of the phone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen
read up on it
the more you add which may protect the less sensetive the screen wil be
darn. and i was getting encouraged too.
The display assembly consists of two main parts. The Touchscreen panel and the LCD itself. The Touchscreen is the top layer of Mylar and glass that provides the pen interface. The LCD is the component that generates the image that you interact with. The Touchscreen was responsible for pressure. "and the more you add to it, the less sensitive it will be " That's ture.
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Within the past month, I noticed some condensation in my screen. Last week, there was no more condensation, but I noticed a darker part on my screen that looked like the screen cover was actually sticking to the internal screen.
Soon, my touch screen stopped responding altogether. After toying with the phone for a while, I found that if I apply pressure to the side of the plastic cover, it bows the screen cover just enough that it breaks contact with the touch screen.
Earlier today, while messing with the touch screen cover, some adhesive got onto the actual interior touch screen and caused it to stop working. I used some Zeiss lens cleaner wipes on it, which removed most of the adhesive very well, but there is now an off color tint as if it is just slightly oily on the screen now.
What is the best way to clean the actual internal screen? Is it possible for me to buy a new screen cover and adhesive to re-seat it?
New touch screens can be found on eBay and there is a tutorial on replacing them. Google it.
I have googled it, and I do not need a new touch screen. I need a way to clean the touch screen, and a new thin plastic cover for it.
Do you mean a new screen guard?
Yes that's it. Pardon my ignorance of technical terms. My screen guard is slightly bent and it is missing the factory adhesive. Some of the adhesive from the screen guard got onto the screen. I can't figure out how to get the adhesive off of the screen so that the touch screen will work again.
Not sure what you are using for a screen guard, but AT$T sells a 3-pack for $5 that fits the Tilt 2/TP2 perfectly and leaves no adhesive residue.
Are you aware that the actual "screen" that you touch on the phone is only a thin sheet of plastic that is easily removed, and that the actual screen is a piece of glass under it?
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http://www.amazon.com/Touch-Digitizer-HTC-Pro-~Replacement/dp/B001LBPB88 <-- That is what I am talking about. It works fine, but the adhesive to seat that onto the phone smeared onto the actual screen glass. All I need is a way to clean adhesive off both without damaging the phone. Other than that, the phone works perfectly.
I'm very aware of it, that's why we use screen protectors. Like I said, you can buy a new one off eBay. Use a little acetone on a soft cloth to remove the adhesive. I'm done with your lousy attitude.
I am not trying to sound like I have a bad attitude, I am just confused and wondering if you think that I am saying that a 5.00 screen protector left residue on the screen, which isn't the case.
Don't blame me for your poor explanation of the issue. Notice I'm the only one that even tried to help you? Probably because others couldn't follow what you were describing. Anyway, I think you have enough info to handle it. Good luck.
Greetings all!
I'm interested in people's opinions and experiences for and against using a screen protector, particularly with regards to my expected usage patterns.
I plan to put my Note 8 in a book-cover style case (ie, a case with a protective cover that can be folded flat behind the case, such as, the official book cover, or this pic of the STM Skinny, for Note 10.1). I'm currently leaning towards the STM Cape (though I'm waiting to hear back from STM regarding several questions, such as confirmation that the case will indeed fold flat against the back). With most of these kinds of cases there is a soft type of inner lining that is intended to protect the device screen. And, if you fold the cover behind the back of the device you must be careful about where you lay the device as the soft inner lining can pick up dust, debris, etc. and then transmit those potentially abrasive items to the screen. As a side note, if anyone has come across a book style case that somehow avoids this problem I would be interested to hear about it!
I go back and forth about whether to bother with a screen protector or not. I am glad to know that there are good options if I do go with a screen protector (eg, the MiniGuard Screen Protector), but I do sometimes write with a heavy hand which I've read doesn't always work well with screen protectors (ie, it sounds like the protector can be a little spongy such that you can end up inadvertently digging into the screen protector a little, or at least experiencing an increased resistance).
But a part of me thinks that if I'm going to be trying to be careful about the surfaces I lay the opened Note on anyway (wherein the soft inner lining is being exposed to the table surface, etc.), then am I really gaining much/anything by adding a screen protector to the mix? To put it another way: Just because I add a screen protector, I'm not therefore going to be less careful about where I place the Note 8 because I'm still going to want to avoid the soft inner lining picking up debris.
And of course the case itself should protect the Note 8 while in transport (especially a case like the STM Cape which should be very secure at staying closed).
I guess an implied question with all this is just how vulnerable is the screen on the Note 8? And how important is a screen protector when you're already using a case?
Obviously this is a personal decision that I have to come to for myself, but I am interested in people's thoughts on the above from any who wish to share based on the experience and perceptions.
Thanks!
I get it for all my devices and I typically purchase the wet apply self healing skins/screen protectors. I like the texture of the skin and it typically doesn't get damaged regardless of what I clean my device with.
A word of warning, the S-Pen kinda "warps" the skin more than usual. It tends to have a tangerine or orange like texture more than usual.
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I used to get screen protectors for my phones and tablets. Then I realized, my phones are often in my pockets, sometimes with my keys, etc. So there is an actual risk of scratching. My tablets, however, are generally in some kind of case with a cover and the only time the screen is "exposed" is when I'm using it...and I don't have adamantium claws or anything, so the risk of scratching the screen is nearly non-existent for me. So I don't waste the money anymore. With regards to the Note lineup, I'm not sure how well the S-Pen works through a screen protector either...
So I wouldn't say I am "against" them as much as I don't really see a need...
The screen protector doesn't affect the s pen accuracy (at least I don't notice any difference)
I usually apply one of the anti-glare types to protect against stupid things (like if it the case flap opens and it hits something in my backpack) and also so make the screen a little less shiny (my office lights are annoying on reflective surfaces)
Most high end tablets and phones have gorilla glass or other hardened glass which is pretty scratch resistant but i still feel better throwing a layer of plastic on...
Bonisaur said:
I get it for all my devices and I typically purchase the wet apply self healing skins/screen protectors. I like the texture of the skin and it typically doesn't get damaged regardless of what I clean my device with.
A word of warning, the S-Pen kinda "warps" the skin more than usual. It tends to have a tangerine or orange like texture more than usual.
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Thanks for sharing details about the type of screen protector you use (including texture, etc.), as well as the S-Pen interaction. When you say "warps" do you mean that the skin of the screen protector is a little spongy and so it gives a little under the pressure of the S-Pen? Does that bother you, and how does it feel for writing, drawing, etc. then?
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My tablets, however, are generally in some kind of case with a cover and the only time the screen is "exposed" is when I'm using it...
So I wouldn't say I am "against" them as much as I don't really see a need...
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I appreciate knowing that you approach your tablets that way and that things have worked well for you (ie, no screen catastrophes due to lack of screen protector). And I like your distinction between phones vs tablets regarding the potentially different sources of trauma they can be subjected to (adamantium claws notwithstanding ).
kisaten said:
The screen protector doesn't affect the s pen accuracy (at least I don't notice any difference).
I usually apply one of the anti-glare types...
Most high end tablets and phones have gorilla glass or other hardened glass which is pretty scratch resistant but i still feel better throwing a layer of plastic on...
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Thanks for the comment regarding S-Pen accuracy and for sharing your preferred screen protector type (eg, anti-glare). I also appreciate hearing your assessment of the glass in high end devices tending to be fairly durable (regardless of whether it is officially gorilla glass). Anti-glare is one of the things I have been considering. Does the anti-glare protector "dim" or "dull" the screen vibrancy (ie, colors, brightness, etc.) to a degree that bothers you?
Thanks for the great contributions thus far folks! These are exactly the kinds of comments, observations, etc. I was hoping for!
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Thanks for the comment regarding S-Pen accuracy and for sharing your preferred screen protector type (eg, anti-glare). I also appreciate hearing your assessment of the glass in high end devices tending to be fairly durable (regardless of whether it is officially gorilla glass). Anti-glare is one of the things I have been considering. Does the anti-glare protector "dim" or "dull" the screen vibrancy (ie, colors, brightness, etc.) to a degree that bothers you?
Thanks for the great contributions thus far folks! These are exactly the kinds of comments, observations, etc. I was hoping for!
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I've used "gloss antiglare" and "matte antiglare" ones --I live in Japan and there are a tons of different screen protectors. I found that with the Elecom branded ones, the gloss "anti-glare" wasn't really anti glare (still looked reflective), but the Matte ones are pretty good (very little reflection).
The Matte protectors take a little getting used to (as you'd expect glass to look shiny and suddenly it looks a little dull. <- It doesnt dull the vibrancy of the colors or brightness, it just looks like a different texture like printing a photo on regular paper vs glossy paper.)
I enjoy having it because it kills the reflection of my office lights which was the main purpose for me to buy it.
The s-pen interactions feel the same regardless of matte or gloss (very smooth <- I have the s-pen with the eraser and changable tips and both the rubber and hard tips feel fine)
I would imagine that with a wet apply (self healing) skin, the texture would change the s-pen experience (i have a wet apply protector on my NDS and the stylus feels different on it because it has some grip and texture <- Hover would be the same but once you touch the screen perhaps it wouldnt be as smooth <- Bonisaur, care to weight in?
If you are asking the question, its on your mind. So you might as well just put a protector on, and give yourself peace of mind.
Plenty of reports on various devices of even Gorilla Glass getting scratched from what the owners swear as "normal usage". So don't take for granted that GG or other treated glasses won't scratch.
I'll agree that tablets are usually not exposed to the same use and abuse as a phone. But on the HTC Flyer tablet, the pen alone was enough to scratch the screen. Yes, that device is 2 years old at this point. But certainly a "high end" device for its time. With the screen getting scratched from the pen that was intended to be used with it.
It largely comes down to personal preference. There are plenty that don't use a screen protector on tablets or phones. I don't question that choice at all, I can certainly understand the reasoning (better feel, mostly). But the fact of the matter is, that once you do scratch the screen, there is really not going back, and it can't really be undone. So if you choose to go without a protector, you better be prepared to live with the consequences, if the screen does get scratched. There are inevitable post by folks that regret not using a protector (even on devices with Gorilla Glass) after getting the screen scratched up.
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Thanks for sharing details about the type of screen protector you use (including texture, etc.), as well as the S-Pen interaction. When you say "warps" do you mean that the skin of the screen protector is a little spongy and so it gives a little under the pressure of the S-Pen? Does that bother you, and how does it feel for writing, drawing, etc. then?
Thanks for the great contributions thus far folks! These are exactly the kinds of comments, observations, etc. I was hoping for!
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No problem! It has a slightly higher amount of push-pull to it. If you have a skin on any other device, I suggest you try "writing" over it. It has never once bothered me while I've taken notes for lecture or drew on Sketchbook. I can still use the S-Pen with pressure accuracy and without any hiccups. I.e. if I want to draw a straight line, it will be a straight line. When you hold the device at an angle though, you can see where the line is. It disappears over time as you just continue to draw over the skin or it just naturally heals. Like I said though, it has a very slight "tangerine" texture that is only visible if tilted at a certain angle or if there is a very intense glare. I only noticed it after reading a few reviews from Amazon.
kisaten said:
I've used "gloss antiglare" and "matte antiglare" ones --I live in Japan and there are a tons of different screen protectors. I found that with the Elecom branded ones, the gloss "anti-glare" wasn't really anti glare (still looked reflective), but the Matte ones are pretty good (very little reflection).
The Matte protectors take a little getting used to (as you'd expect glass to look shiny and suddenly it looks a little dull. <- It doesnt dull the vibrancy of the colors or brightness, it just looks like a different texture like printing a photo on regular paper vs glossy paper.)
I enjoy having it because it kills the reflection of my office lights which was the main purpose for me to buy it.
The s-pen interactions feel the same regardless of matte or gloss (very smooth <- I have the s-pen with the eraser and changable tips and both the rubber and hard tips feel fine)
I would imagine that with a wet apply (self healing) skin, the texture would change the s-pen experience (i have a wet apply protector on my NDS and the stylus feels different on it because it has some grip and texture <- Hover would be the same but once you touch the screen perhaps it wouldnt be as smooth <- Bonisaur, care to weight in?
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Thanks for all that very helpful info!
redpoint73 said:
If you are asking the question, its on your mind. So you might as well just put a protector on, and give yourself peace of mind.
Plenty of reports on various devices of even Gorilla Glass getting scratched from what the owners swear as "normal usage". So don't take for granted that GG or other treated glasses won't scratch.
I'll agree that tablets are usually not exposed to the same use and abuse as a phone. But on the HTC Flyer tablet, the pen alone was enough to scratch the screen. Yes, that device is 2 years old at this point. But certainly a "high end" device for its time. With the screen getting scratched from the pen that was intended to be used with it.
It largely comes down to personal preference. There are plenty that don't use a screen protector on tablets or phones. I don't question that choice at all, I can certainly understand the reasoning (better feel, mostly). But the fact of the matter is, that once you do scratch the screen, there is really not going back, and it can't really be undone. So if you choose to go without a protector, you better be prepared to live with the consequences, if the screen does get scratched. There are inevitable post by folks that regret not using a protector (even on devices with Gorilla Glass) after getting the screen scratched up.
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Very good points! And that is scary stuff regarding the HTC Flyer--I had not heard about that!
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No problem! It has a slightly higher amount of push-pull to it. If you have a skin on any other device, I suggest you try "writing" over it. It has never once bothered me while I've taken notes for lecture or drew on Sketchbook. I can still use the S-Pen with pressure accuracy and without any hiccups. I.e. if I want to draw a straight line, it will be a straight line. When you hold the device at an angle though, you can see where the line is. It disappears over time as you just continue to draw over the skin or it just naturally heals. Like I said though, it has a very slight "tangerine" texture that is only visible if tilted at a certain angle or if there is a very intense glare. I only noticed it after reading a few reviews from Amazon.
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Thanks--that is very helpful! I'm thinking then that for my preferences I'll probably lean more towards a dry apply (like the MiniGuard that's been reviewed here).
I'm using a cheap anti-glare matte screen protector from eBay with my Note 8. It doesn't affect the S Pen sensitivity the slightest and in fact makes it feel more like writing on paper. As a matte screen lover I have no complaints with it.
Ok so you bought a zenfone 3. Beautiful little piece of hardware isn't it ? The glass and metal design looks premium alright but it would be a pity if you got the screen all scratched or shattered. Remember that gorilla glass 3 is scratch resistant not scratch proof and it can be scratched quite easily by dust particles and sand. Also it can be easily shattered like any glass. Only sapphire glass can be called scratch proof but you won't see sapphire glass mass produced for smartphones screens any time soon because it's too expensive and very difficult to produce for larger surfaces.
So the best way to protect your precious screen is by applying a sheet of tempered glass. It has a higher scratch resistance than gorilla glass and it is designed to shatter on impact to dissipate the shock energy that would otherwise destroy the screen glass. It is very easy to apply on smartphones with flat screen surface but there's a catch. There is a new design that's being implemented on smartphones screens for a while now with curved margins and all which is generically called 2.5d glass. Zenfone 3 features such a screen. So what's the problem you may ask ?
Well long story short this means you can't apply a flat tempered glass on a screen with rounded margins without the manufacturer being forced to reduce its dimensions to only cover the flat surface, unless you can find a manufacturer that produces tempered glass with curved margins. So far I could only find such screen protectors for the Galaxy Edge series. They are nowhere to be found for our beloved asus zenfone 3 for example.
So yeah there are plenty of flat screen protectors for the zenfone 3. I myself got one from Nillkin. It is carefully dimensioned to only cover the lcd on the left and right margins. Problem is that the curvature of the screen starts somewhere from 1-2mm from the inner side of the lcd depending on the manufacturing tolerances. This means that even if you perfectly position the tempered glass there will still be 1-2mm on the margins that will hang in midair because it can't stick to the curvature. From what I could find this issue is commonly referred to as the "halo effect". And it's ugly as f*ck.
So there's good news and bad news. Good news is that I've found a way to properly apply the tempered glass even on the margins. Bad news is that you need some tools you won't find in the original package, namely a VISE (yes, that thing on the WinZIP icon) and SILICONE OIL or VASELINE (both have to be perfectly clear with absolutely no colour and make sure they don't change colour in time).
I only did this once with a Nillkin tempered glass for my ze520kl but it should work for any curved screen.
Ready ? Ok so go ahead and perform the steps as indicated on the original packaging (clean the screen with the alcohol wipe, dry the screen with the dry wipe, dedust the screen with the anti-static sticker, perfectly align the screen protector and apply it). Obviously it won't stick to the margins so here comes the hard part.
This is going to take a lot of patience but not much effort. The key to sticking to the margins is a lot of constant pressure and if that fails this is where the silicone oil comes in handy to fill the gap between the screen and screen protector.
So this is what I did to get a perfectly applied tempered glass on my zenfone 3.
-First I tried to fill the gap on the margins with a drop of silicon oil and then I applied pressure on the margin intermittently with my thumb to help the silicon oil to get inside the gap easier then I wiped the excess. The purpose of the silicone oil is to create a clear visco-elastic medium, a bridge if you like, for the light to travel between the screen and the screen protector without changing path (without too much refraction). Problem is that it can't fill the whole void and you still get a bit of halo here and there as there is still some air trapped within the adhesive.
-This is the part where the vise comes in handy. I strongly recommend you use a vise with rubber protection on the jaws (or whatever they're called). You could in theory do this with your thumbs but it is very hard and tiring and you can't apply constant pressure for a long time.
So I fitted a margin of the screen in the vise and tightened the jaws hardly enough to forcefully compress the adhesive and remove the air bubbles trapped inside but soft enough not to actually crack or damage the touchscreen. Then I left it in there for about 1 hour on each of the 4 sides. If there was still some air trapped in the adhesive I would apply some pressure with my thumb to stir it a little and then I put it back in the vise and leave it for a while longer until there would be no air left.
After 4-5 hours I got a perfectly applied screen protector on my zenfone 3 with no halo effect on the margins.
Since I've never done this before I have no idea how long this will last and if the problem will ever occur again. But if it does then all you need to do is just apply some more silicon oil periodically and you're done. There won't be the need for the vise anymore.
Good luck and I hope this bit of information will help someone in the long run to develop and perfect the method. I doubt the average user has a vise installed on his/her desk so this tutorial is mostly intended for the more savvy people. Don't blame me if it doesn't work for you or if you damaged your phone.
Also, I suspect that on various models of smartphones there won't be the need for the silicone oil and all you need is just some good constant pressure.
So here is my question. I’m looking at the invisible sheild glass screen protector but am wondering, what will happen with the protector when I squeeze my pixel for assistant? Will I lift or crack? What do you guys think?
I seriously doubt they will be sending the glass screen. Should be fine.
What do you mean sending the glass screen? I’m buying a glass screen protector. The pixel 2XL is Poled made of plastic so you can squeeze. So I’m wondering about the glass protector
Have you checked the Accessories thread here
That doesn’t answer my question. Hence why I asked it. That’s basically just listing what accessories are available
That's actually a good question- I hadn't really thought about it. Hopefully there won't be any issue with the screen protectors. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Maybe a good place to ask...
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That's actually a good question- I hadn't really thought about it. Hopefully there won't be any issue with the screen protectors. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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Exactly! That’s my point! I don’t want to spend 50+ dollars then that crap pops off
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Huh?
You are squeezing the sides of the phone and not actually compacting the screen, so there should be no issue.
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You are squeezing the sides of the phone and not actually compacting the screen, so there should be no issue.
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Understood but is that not why google went POLED so as not to have glass to deal with the pressure
Zagg is saying we should be fine and the warranty for return is 30 days from website kiosks depends on them
Yet Google made the screen of plastic not glass?
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Yet Google made the screen of plastic not glass?
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the only way to really know is to wait for someone to test it
BUT
this is the first time i heard that screen is plastic
what i know that it is gorilla glass 5 from their website and from other websites
https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_2_xl-8720.php
(DISPLAY Type P-OLED capacitive touchscreen, 16M colors
Size 6.0 inches, 92.6 cm2 (~76.4% screen-to-body ratio)
Resolution 1440 x 2880 pixels, 18:9 ratio (~538 ppi density)
Multitouch Yes
Protection Corning Gorilla Glass 5
- Always-on display
- 100% DCI-P3 coverage)
It’s POLED the P = plastic
http://www.androidauthority.com/poled-vs-amoled-792869/amp/
i know that the inside where made of plastic
but the touchscreen in the outside are made of glass (the digitizer)
so glass on top of a plastic (they get thinner panel this way )
OH right the HTC U11 have lcd glass screen in the first place
maybe you can ask in there form if anyone have a problem in the squeeze with glass and screen protector
Someone will surely correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you actually squeeze the body of the phone, meaning, the sides don't actually compress. What you're doing by squeezing the phone is really squeezing your fingertips (and the base of your palm area), so that your skin makes contact with more of the extreme edges of the screen. It's very slight, but enough to activate the sensitive touch areas there. When the phone sees a whole bunch of "touch" along the sides of the screen, it sees that as a squeeze. So, you don't have to worry about a case cracking under the pressure. However, if this really is how it works, then any case with screen-overlap may interfere with activation of squeeze command. Ditto with screen protectors.
As for the P in P-OLED. That refers to the substrate, which is the base to which all of the electronic bits are connected. Plastic allows this substrate to be thinner and more flexible. The outer surface may be, and often is, still made of glass (in this case, Gorilla Glass 5). P-OLED isn't typically used to make the body of the phone more damage resistant (although it certainly can be). It's used to make the screen a tiny bit lighter and thinner, allowing more room for other internal pieces (such as a slightly larger battery).
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Someone will surely correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you actually squeeze the body of the phone, meaning, the sides don't actually compress. What you're doing by squeezing the phone is really squeezing your fingertips (and the base of your palm area), so that your skin makes contact with more of the extreme edges of the screen. It's very slight, but enough to activate the sensitive touch areas there. When the phone sees a whole bunch of "touch" along the sides of the screen, it sees that as a squeeze. So, you don't have to worry about a case cracking under the pressure. However, if this really is how it works, then any case with screen-overlap may interfere with activation of squeeze command. Ditto with screen protectors.
As for the P in P-OLED. That refers to the substrate, which is the base to which all of the electronic bits are connected. Plastic allows this substrate to be thinner and more flexible. The outer surface may be, and often is, still made of glass (in this case, Gorilla Glass 5). P-OLED isn't typically used to make the body of the phone more damage resistant (although it certainly can be). It's used to make the screen a tiny bit lighter and thinner, allowing more room for other internal pieces (such as a slightly larger battery).
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Sorry I have to correct you here. The squeeze gesture is picked up by 2 rows of sensors inside the edges of the frame. It has nothing to do with the screen.
Jerryrigeverything did a teardown on the HTC u11 which uses the same tech. So, that section of the frame edge is actually mobile to a degree. It also compromised rigidity and failed his bend test.
Why do you need a screen protector? I have not made a scratch a phone screen since prior to my nexus 4. The screen are pretty much scratch proof unless you use sand paper to do it.
On my z fold 3 I have noticed that the inner screen protector is not lined up properly in the sense that the top left edge/corner has a slim slither of the edge of the protector viewable on The actual screen so that the entire screen isn’t covered by the protector. It isn’t a massive deal cos it’s only a tiny part but I do find it annoying that on a device this expensive that they couldn’t manage to ensure the screen protector covers the entirety of the screen. Has anyone else noticed this? And is this a common normal issue? I really want to remove it but I know I’d probably regret it