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Hi guys (first post!)
I have a couple of questions before I flash WM6 on my trinity. The two main versions are MUN and LVSW's flavours of WM6. However, I would like to know what are the main differences between the two current latest versions (such as OS/program versions, program lists etc).
How is the stability of either of these versions compared to my factory Orange M700 (WM5)?
What are the main bugs?
Is it worth flashing a buggy WM6 over a stable WM5? What are the advantages?
Thanks in advance for the replies
Hm, threads like this can sometimes kill good collaboration, even when they don't intend to. You should heed the statement inherent in your moniker. You are who you are, and you should chose accordingly.
They are both good ROMs. Read through the threads, learn a bit about both, then decide which one work better for the person that you are.
Do us a favor and delete this thread.
iamwhoiam said:
Hi guys (first post!)
I have a couple of questions before I flash WM6 on my trinity. The two main versions are MUN and LVSW's flavours of WM6. However, I would like to know what are the main differences between the two current latest versions (such as OS/program versions, program lists etc).
How is the stability of either of these versions compared to my factory Orange M700 (WM5)?
What are the main bugs?
Is it worth flashing a buggy WM6 over a stable WM5? What are the advantages?
Thanks in advance for the replies
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Read through the threads. Read the wiki. Do searches.
Try each rom (there are more than just these two, rom variants exist too) on your device...decide for yourself, according to your needs.
Nobody will respond to a poll like this, who respects the work of XDA rom developers, because it's not in the spirit of of this site.
DeviLduck said:
Read through the threads. Read the wiki. Do searches.
Try each rom (there are more than just these two, rom variants exist too) on your device...decide for yourself, according to your needs.
Nobody will respond to a poll like this, who respects the work of XDA rom developers, because it's not in the spirt of of this site.
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Nothing can substitute your own personal experience, it is the only important thing in this trip called Life... In every area and in every situation, give it a try...
I buy a Trinity. I find a forum dedicated to my new wonderphone on the internet. There are so many pages on this forum but I manage to find details of WM6 ROMS available for my device. But the threads for each of the main ROMS are like 100 pages long. Can you imaging reading through all that? Me neither - so I'll be clever, start a poll and let everyone else summarise the threads and decide for me. An idea nearly as genius as my new phone. If only life were so simple.
Now think about it.
1. If everyone created a new thread like this, we'd have a site full of crappy threads, non of them with much information (nobody is going to repeat their reply posts time and time again to the same questions/issues. The site would be rubbish
2. Your usage of the ROM may differ from others and you may come across some "bugs" that nobody else has - you thereby contribute to the development of the ROM by highlighting difficulties that you have - and things you like about the new ROM build.
3. How good a ROM is depends what you do with it or what you want to do with it. Do you video call a lot? Do you MMS a lot? Do you email a lot? Is taking photos with GPS coordinates the most important feature for you? These things will influence your choice of ROM.
So to reiterate: give them a try, read through the threads (all of the work, experiences, information is there - but need to be read - nobody will summarise for you), don't expect any nealed's ROMS are by far the best - don't consider anything else type of answers - you won't get them (each ROM has it's merits and if there was a ROM so buggy that it was awful, I think you would probably know about it through the posts in the threads), and lastly, once you have tried different ROMS share your experiences. But remember facts and data - (this does not work, that seems slower, this option has disappeared) rather than I prefer, I think etc - which is a lot less useful.
Welcome to xda-developers iamwhoiam. Be yourself and express yourself, but don't try to rubbish the hard work of any one ROM developer over another.
Now, in the wise words of MacGuy2006
Do us a favour and delete this thread.
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Keyboard color and remove HTC home
sorry worng thread
MODS deleat this Damn Useless THREAD
Yo!!!! MAN "IAMWHOIAM"
U might be nuts and really Damn mad,
Man If u wanna check both great cookers Roms, so why hell u dont try it BOTH and check yourself, No need to compare any Roms here, because no one Works for you Damn it and U are not Obliged to use any roms of any Cookers Nor to Offence them. So Damn it your Useless questions and remarks to hell and Keep it for yourself.
Here Guys days and nights are making great and wonderfull jobs, really hard works and DAMN NO ONE PAY THEM FOR ALL, And nor they have any obligation towards Us. All brothers, friends, Cookers, Helpers, Testers are here to make this Community to be better each day and each times.
So man, i really dont know From where U fall out, but "Brother" Tight your nuts well and Keep your mouth shut from Asking NONSENSE. Thank You to Better Understand NOW.
That this is an "unhappy", "uninspired" and "let the others decide for me" (as nealed said) thread, true.
That fresh users nowadays don't use the search funtion, true.
But there's no need for being cruel, rude and impolite.
Maybe we would need more mods to sort things out, delete/move/ban/etc. threads.
Hi.. Just for all know what is the most used rom's and what this rom have about good and bad, fast and slow...
Lets started people....
Why do you prefer your rom?
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Hi.. Just for all know what is the most used rom's and what this rom have about good and bad, fast and slow...
Lets started people....
Why do you prefer your rom?
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you don't like reading, right?
I would like to hear this too, but the moderators have decided that these kind of discussions are forbidden here on XDAdev. They believe that because it's subjective it's somehow pointless to discuss. I don't agree, I believe that you can see what people share your preferences and base your ROM selection upon their experiences.
I'm presently running Swtos 1.0 full and I do like it. I've experienced no bugs, my only gripe is that the help files are removed (yes, I sometimes want them) and that I'd like more speed and responsiveness - but then again, are we ever satisfied in that department? Looking to Swiftblades 7.0 16pp and Swtos 1.4 full for upgrade.
Good luck in keeping the thread open.
swiftblade
(explaination below - suits my needs / min apps and is one, speedwise is one of the quicker ones in tf3d)
but as above... good luck keeping it from being closed... everyone has different needs... and depending on apps they install (which can affect the overall speed of each rom) you'll have no concensus and 2183491749183471 different responses of why its the best
I like it chocolatflavoured.
Rumours
I was told that Zebedeus's release 1.56.8 was able to make cappucino's !!
But nonfagotme's upcoming release 0,0001 is more stable in terms and conditions I red on stupidnonsens's thread
Enough laughs - Who's gonna request this to be locked guys?
hummmm
ill give it 30 seconds
if you look down you can see what i am using
I think a thread like this is great. Egos shouldn't be aloud to stand in the way of opinion. It's OBVIOUS that speed etc is subjective, but just like when you buy a car magazine, it's still nice to hear other people's opinions - it gives you a base from which to build your own experience.
I am using Swift's v7.0 16mb full ROM and it's great - very stable and very fast, what more could anyone want from a ROM? I tend to steer clear from the ROMs/chefs surrounded in hype and shameless self-promotion as I believe a good ROM speaks for itself.
I think there are all about the same for 99%.
I did like the french ringtone aztor put in it
disagree- a question like this is subjective and irationale.
There is no such thing as "best" - no values- no perception - no speed (as this is ONLY in the eye of the beholder)
The ONLY reason people post this Question (as I did when I started 700 posts ago with my XDA) is not to have to read hundreds of pages of pro's and con's for each ROM.
My 2 cents
simcarloc said:
I think a thread like this is great. Egos shouldn't be aloud to stand in the way of opinion. It's OBVIOUS that speed etc is subjective, but just like when you buy a car magazine, it's still nice to hear other people's opinions - it gives you a base from which to build your own experience.
I am using Swift's v7.0 16mb full ROM and it's great - very stable and very fast, what more could anyone want from a ROM? I tend to steer clear from the ROMs/chefs surrounded in hype and shameless self-promotion as I believe a good ROM speaks for itself.
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dude you got my absolute respect for ur second paragraph
Hi, i´m using the Spanish version of Elite Project 3.3, for the language.
Anyway, maybe this thread can be changed by a "Survey Type", this way you can save hundred of pages and in 1 sec have a "impression" on this subjetive topic....What do you think?
here here!
jeromenism said:
dude you got my absolute respect for ur second paragraph
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what can you say about a chef who does this for all the hard work for nothing
and won't take donations for himself...a true gent
ceevee369 said:
disagree- a question like this is subjective and irationale.
There is no such thing as "best" - no values- no perception - no speed (as this is ONLY in the eye of the beholder)
The ONLY reason people post this Question (as I did when I started 700 posts ago with my XDA) is not to have to read hundreds of pages of pro's and con's for each ROM.
My 2 cents
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I don't think the original poster was asking about 'best', at least that's the way I understood his post. We all read through endless posts about various ROMs and it's inevitable that we wonder - 'I would love to know how x ROM fares against Y rom'. What's so bad about allowing people to post their subjective experiences so that a common denominator through comparison is formed, allowing people to assess which ROM may be best suited to them? If people have flashed and tested many ROMs, why can't we benefit from their experiences? We aren't children, we can discern for ourselves which post to believe/disregard!
It's like Orwell's 1984 around here sometimes
ceevee369 said:
disagree- a question like this is subjective and irationale.
There is no such thing as "best" - no values- no perception - no speed (as this is ONLY in the eye of the beholder)
The ONLY reason people post this Question (as I did when I started 700 posts ago with my XDA) is not to have to read hundreds of pages of pro's and con's for each ROM.
My 2 cents
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Subjective - yes, but so is everything we percieve. Subjective doesn't imply irrational. What I think IS irrational is actually having to read through hundreds of pages of ROM threads to find info you need.
Forums like these are also about collecting and organizing information. I argue it would be RATIONAL to collect experiences in a single thread, instead of having bits and pieces scattered all over the forum.
I HAVE read through pretty much all the ROM threads, and I enjoy making up my own mind from the information there.
Still, I lack the direct comparisons most people here are so afraid to make. Most people only say sth like: "the rom is very fast". Compared to what? Compared to another cooked ROM or to a stock ROM?
My 2 cents.
I want to get pushed to use it.
The more ego, the better. I need a rom from someone that 'dares' and keeps creating roms everyone knows, and wants everyone to try it. I tend to pay for quality too. I don't believe in making something 'for free', its good for the creator only then. With, all respect offcourse, exeptions are always present.
losdrivare said:
Subjective - yes, but so is everything we percieve. Subjective doesn't imply irrational. What I think IS irrational is actually having to read through hundreds of pages of ROM threads to find info you need.
My 2 cents.
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Well, seems like this tread is going to be 20 roms x hundreds of pages is 20.000 pages of opinion to read when that comes true?
they are basically all the same in terms of speed, it all depends what functionality you want from it.
Riel said:
Well, seems like this tread is going to be 20 roms x hundreds of pages is 20.000 pages of opinion to read when that comes true?
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Well, if you take the average ROM thread and remove all individual post only stating:
"How do I flash?"
"My flash stop at 0%"
"What is hard-SPL?"
"Opera crashes"
"Activesync is always active"
and also remove all requests for this or that app, language etc, with the chefs and everyone elses anwers to this...
There wouldn't be much left now, would it?
liamhere said:
what can you say about a chef who does this for all the hard work for nothing
and won't take donations for himself...a true gent
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we call the chef - SWIFTBLADE!
What do you think is best ROM for Blackstone ?
What use you ?
I guess that depends very much on what you're looking for. Until you decide what it is you want, nobody is EVER going to give you the right answer.
For me, the best ROM is the one my device came with..it's stable and works. I have never felt the need to flash a new one, esp since just about every ROM I've ever read about has a problem in one way or another (even if it is fixed the next day)
Actually, I have to say that I'm always disappointed by the number of ROMS that come out....it seems that there's new ones almost every day. I appreicate that these are released to allow people to test and report back, but surely they should be restricted to a handful of beta testers perhaps?
ok..back in my box now...apologies
p-r-e-d-a-t-o-r said:
What do you think is best ROM for Blackstone ?
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The one that works best for you and best suits your individual needs.
if you dont want this thread closing i suggest you put a list of things you need require want and ask what meets your requirements. you have been warned!!!
Suggestion
Hi
May I respectfully suggest you have a trawl through the Blackstone Rom threads and see what you like and as mentioned above what best suits you. Most of the topics have a change log or features log and screenshots to help you make your mind up.
Then read the Wiki to gather all the info needed to actually start changing to the ROM you find is best for you.
Regards
p-r-e-d-a-t-o-r said:
What do you think is best ROM for Blackstone ?
What use you ?
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I use Onkolog's and I'm very satisfied. In terms of speed it does not compare with the stock ROM, much faster. Very stable and quite Spartan, the way I like it. Hope this helps a bit more than most of the posts I've seen in this thread.
It depends on what you want.
Do you want a light, fast & probably stable ROM?
Or a heavy ROM with many programs on it?
Or between that?
I use dutty's 2.3 at the moment, but I don't use TF3D.
Take a look at what ROM's you want.
PS: the manila 3 is nice, so pick one with manila 3 and check out your new TF3D Look
In my case, after testing several realeased roms, I am using Dutty's 2.1. It is very satisfactory. I tried versions 2.2 and 2.3 but I don't particularly like the new start menu (I have a lot of programs installed and it doesn't suit my needs).
Try any of the versions (v2.xx) available at dutty's website. Any of them will amaze your relatives and friends.
I'm just surprised no MOD closed this thread!!
This is a common question with no answer as everyone is different so obviously everyones likes & dislikes will be different so no point asking which rom is better as what you may like, the next person won't!
Go into each rom thread, read up on them and flash whichever one appeals most to you. If you aren't happy, flash another!!
I've flashed countless rom's and I'm still searching for the perfect one!!
Go into each rom thread, read up on them and flash whichever one appeals most to you. If you aren't happy, flash another!!
I've flashed countless rom's and I'm still searching for the perfect one!!
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agrreee with yo Fallen Spartan, bravo!!
today it's perfect but tomorrow it's not
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I've flashed countless rom's and I'm still searching for the perfect one!!
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agree... at moment i´m using duttys v2.3... but also miri´s v5 is very nice...
What, no deleting threads?
I asked a similar question to this about 2 months ago, having just bought a Blackstone, and got a short, sharp message about searching instead of trying to start a conversation and engage people. The thread got deleted a few minutes later.
Glad this didn't happen to you, good luck choosing a ROM. People on this forum are very helpful and talented, but can be incredibly rude at times.
krs360 said:
I asked a similar question to this about 2 months ago, having just bought a Blackstone, and got a short, sharp message about searching instead of trying to start a conversation and engage people. The thread got deleted a few minutes later.
Glad this didn't happen to you, good luck choosing a ROM. People on this forum are very helpful and talented, but can be incredibly rude at times.
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I understand your comment, but if I can defend a few people on this site. Yes, some are rude and they generally get banned due to complaints....and rightly so. But others may have come across as rude but are infact actually good natured people who are just annoyed at getting asked the same questions day in.
As you said you asked the same question a few months ago and I can guarantee this same question has been asked dozens of other times. This is why we always ask people to read threads before posting new ones, and at the top of each forum included in the rules etc it also states this.
I try and be as helpful when I can and answer every query to the best of my knowledge, but I've also lost my cool once or twice.
My previous post in this thread is basically as much as anyone can offer on this subject.
Anyway, thats my two cents on the subject!!
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I understand your comment, but if I can defend a few people on this site. Yes, some are rude and they generally get banned due to complaints....and rightly so. But others may have come across as rude but are infact actually good natured people who are just annoyed at getting asked the same questions day in.
As you said you asked the same question a few months ago and I can guarantee this same question has been asked dozens of other times. This is why we always ask people to read threads before posting new ones, and at the top of each forum included in the rules etc it also states this.
I try and be as helpful when I can and answer every query to the best of my knowledge, but I've also lost my cool once or twice.
My previous post in this thread is basically as much as anyone can offer on this subject.
Anyway, thats my two cents on the subject!!
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Very well said. a) I too am surprised this didn't get closed. b) I agree, I don't think it's as much as people being rude but it gets annoying when the same questions are asked without using the search button.
and c) each ROM IS different. I've installed about a dozen different ROMs on my Blackstone and each one had their issues and/or benefits.
For the most part, I followed Dutty's ROMs but 2-3 weeks ago, I tried David's ROMs and though they're both great, I actually found an older ROM from David that I extremely liked when I disabled 3FTD. My phone is stable, extremely fast and has what I need in it.
It's very easy to get caught up "upgrading" ALL THE TIME. It seems that we all want the best and fastest ROM out there. Unfortunately, there isn't a perfect ROM out there that doesn't have some small issue and even if you found one with a minimal amount, you probably wouldn't like the amount (or lack of) programs in it.
I suggest you try several ROM's until you find a "style" that you like. After 3 years of upgrading ROM's (started back with a Razr) I can finally say I'm happy with the my current ROM and have no desire to upgrade.
So, start modding and good luck.
Mark
"It's very easy to get caught up "upgrading" ALL THE TIME. It seems that we all want the best and fastest ROM out there. Unfortunately, there isn't a perfect ROM out there that doesn't have some small issue and even if you found one with a minimal amount, you probably wouldn't like the amount (or lack of) programs in it.
I suggest you try several ROM's until you find a "style" that you like. "
Sound advice by Mark. I personally have tried most roms available as well - currently using Dutty 2.4 quite happy with it, I found the new Dutty version release slighty slower then the 2.4.
orangecrush said:
It's very easy to get caught up "upgrading" ALL THE TIME. It seems that we all want the best and fastest ROM out there. Unfortunately, there isn't a perfect ROM out there that doesn't have some small issue and even if you found one with a minimal amount, you probably wouldn't like the amount (or lack of) programs in it.
I suggest you try several ROM's until you find a "style" that you like. After 3 years of upgrading ROM's (started back with a Razr) I can finally say I'm happy with the my current ROM and have no desire to upgrade.
So, start modding and good luck.
Mark
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Agreed with riz157. Sound advice
But I think all that can be said on this has been! Could a MOD close this thread.
Cheers
HTC Blackstone Roms
i am still searching for the best one...
mcfly444 said:
i am still searching for the best one...
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Try Duttys HD Leo Holy Grail R0. I'm sure you will like it..
The only thing that misses in this beautiful rom is the languagepack
p-r-e-d-a-t-o-r said:
What do you think is best ROM for Blackstone ?
What use you ?
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Hello,the legal official rom . All cooked roms are full of bugs ...
1.56 stock rom
Hi!
i already change 3 roms within one week. I just want to know that which rom is the best?. because in one rom I had a big benifit of loud speaker when i turn my cellphone face down i autometically turn on, but that rom dont have any shortcuts for programs on home screen. Now i download deepshining X1 the latest one but it doesn't turn on my loud speaker during call when i place it face down. So please anybody advised me which roms is the best in all sense. because it is very hard to install your programs and games again and again. I saw a person have lock screen same like Iphone on tp2. i dont know no how to get that. Anyways please help me with that. Thanks. i will appreciate your effort. Sorry if i am in wrong section.
I have t-mobil TOUCH PRO 2
WINDOWS 6.5
mhassanz said:
Hi!
i already change 3 roms within one week. I just want to know that which rom is the best?. because in one rom I had a big benifit of loud speaker when i turn my cellphone face down i autometically turn on, but that rom dont have any shortcuts for programs on home screen. Now i download deepshining X1 the latest one but it doesn't turn on my loud speaker during call when i place it face down. So please anybody advised me which roms is the best in all sense. because it is very hard to install your programs and games again and again. I saw a person have lock screen same like Iphone on tp2. i dont know no how to get that. Anyways please help me with that. Thanks. i will appreciate your effort. Sorry if i am in wrong section.
I have t-mobil TOUCH PRO 2
WINDOWS 6.5
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I understand what you're asking but "which rom to get" is not appropriate, insulting to the chefs, and very subjective. This thread shall be soon be closed i'm sure, right mods??
But to answer some of your post, the face down speaker phone option you speaking of wanting to do is available as a tweak in almost all roms and is a simple registry tweak (as are all other tweaks) that you can do your self, just search for it and i'm sure you'll find it..
Misunderstanding
I didn't mean it. I dont know which is best like that have almost every option because people here tried almost every rom. I jst tried 3 roms so that is why. Like i installa new rom last night and my camera is not working on that. Unbealiveable
Not again...
There is no such "perfect ROM"!!!
This has been commented many times before.
What is perfect for me could be not for you
Try them all and decide what fits you better
Also as a general idea, enter to ROM section and see what is the one more users have installed, that would give you an idea
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There is no such "perfect ROM"!!!
This has been commented many times before.
What is perfect for me could be not for you
Try them all and decide what fits you better
Also as a general idea, enter to ROM section and see what is the one more users have installed, that would give you an idea
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This.
You can look at the number of replies in the threads to get an idea which ones you might want to try. Most chefs are also courteous enough to list many of the features and tweaks of their ROMs in the first couple of posts of the thread.
If it helps, some of the more popular ROMs are Valkyrie, the various Energy ROMs, and the various Cell series ROMs.
Perfect roms don't exist. All have pros and cons, its like everyone here is saying, you just have to find one that fits you.
Anyways, on a positive note, the lock application I believe you are looking for is S2U2: http://ac-s2.com/
Take a cooking class
I too, want the PERFECT rom...but for that I will need to learn my way around the kitchen and cook one up myself. Even stock roms have glitches. The difference is that most, if not all the chefs here try to stay on top of glitches. You may need to make some "sacrifices" to what your idea of a perfect rom is, and instead have a really damned good rom. I am still running stock for warranty purposes, as my device is VERY new, that being said, I have spoken with many cooks here as well as many Rhodium "pros", and have come to the conclusion that Energy roms and JoshKoss roms are very good. I cannot tell you from personal experience about these roms, as I stated above, I do know that Chef Josh has been very kind and quick in responding to me over past inquiries.
I wish you luck. Perhaps you should instead consider reading the many extensive tutorials that explain the kitchen. This may be the only way to get YOUR perfect rom. What I may think is perfect you may think is crap. A little scenario...last night I spent HOURS making dinner, I thought it was very good, as did my kids, my husband, however, thought it was just OKAY. Same with the various roms. The chefs cannot please everyone all the time, so perhaps the only sure-fire way to get a perfect rom is to make it yourself.
The perfect ROM - Stock...
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The perfect ROM - Stock...
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ha ha!!
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The perfect ROM - Stock...
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In terms of stability and speed, I have yet to tweak anything to match my stock 6.1.
In terms of eye candy and usefulness, I really like the Energy Leo 6.5 w/ sense 2.5. Most of the features really reduce the time it takes to get to my favorite locations.
Please
Please stop posting in this thread so it falls off, for it is totally pointless.
P.
if you have question so where you can go?
i post that thread because i had a problem with my rom. First of all i recently bought my cellphone then i join this site, and i am learning these stuff like what is rom what is tweak and these kind of stuff. and i post this thread because it was written their discuss Q&A and this type of stuff, but if its hurt someone, i appologize about that and I will not post any thread again here
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i post that thread because i had a problem with my rom. First of all i recently bought my cellphone then i join this site, and i am learning these stuff like what is rom what is tweak and these kind of stuff. and i post this thread because it was written their discuss Q&A and this type of stuff, but if its hurt someone, i appologize about that and I will not post any thread again here
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So you didn't get the answer you wanted so you are going to take your toys and go home?? No offense but your response sounded like something my 9 year old would throw at me.
Several people answered with rom possibilities, but we also said that the elusive PERFECT ROM is truly a matter of taste. Stable roms are built of off stock 6.1 or 6.5's, and 6.5.3 builds have extra bells and whistles but the consensus seems to be that they are buggier.
I myself stated Energy or JoshKoss roms a few entries above. While I have not tested them myself, the various pages and pages of reviews sound very positive. Others have made other suggestion.
You are chasing unicorns. Period. The only truly perfect rom would be one you build yourself. No chef can cater to your specific wants and needs (unless you PM them and arrange some form of compensation for their time). What I feel would be perfect may be the total opposite of what you or John Doe thinks.
I'm sorry you didn't get the answer you hoped for, and if you choose to not participate in the forums that will be your choice, and frankly, your loss. We have tried to do our best to point you in a direction that may help you. If none of the suggestions fit your needs, then learn to cook your own rom. I understand that it can be tedious to read the many pages associated with the various cooked roms, but I have managed to do that with several of them, you can too. It is the only way you will learn what works and what doesn't. We will guide you, but we won't do the work for you.
I apologize if this seems rude, but it has become quite frustrating to see yet another "perfect rom" thread.
Perfect ROM
Near as I can figure, the perfect ROM is the Apple iphone. Or at least it seems to me that post after post after post is users trying to make Windows Mobile, Look, Act, Feel, Sound like an iphone.
As a not so bright end user of many of the forum genius's works and yet, also devoted fan of Windows Mobile since early Ipaq days, I've found Energy Phoenix to be my personal favorite for hands on simplicity, ease of use and having all the basic features of my TILT 2 working. Curiously before I found that you could even have a custom ROM, I was using as a desktop background one of the pics he uses as his ROM background defaults. So that's how I was attracted to trying it. Pretty retarded huh?
I also use SBP Mobile Shell and have said to **** with POOPFLO3D. I swear I'd like to find the HTC guy who came up with that one and womp em a good one.
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Near as I can figure, the perfect ROM is the Apple iphone.
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iPhone's OS is the perfect "ROM" for an idiot that barely knows how to turn on his/her phone.
Though I'm perpetuating this thread moving to the top of the topic, can one of the mods please close this thread. PLEASE...
CLOSE please!
Just another "what is the best ROM" thread. PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD.
I am getting annoyed of many ROM threads here, because they are
stating "speed improvements, minor fixes, stable" - if you cant name it exactly, i call bull****.
ROMs being based on the same RUU as other ROMs but not stating what is different. please stop wasting my time. i dont want to go sherlock holmes on your ROM. when you just spend 2h, to make a ROM that is basically the same like most other (just differeing in the point above) - thats fine, you can play around and share it here - but PLEASE tell us.
incomplete list of what is working or not. listing only BT as not working and then reading on the third page "animations and browser download dont work" and then a reply "they dont work on any sense 4.0 ROM". Or stuff like "bugs: you tell me". could you please take 10minutes to test against a checklist?!
so whats my point:
I am no ROM developer, but a software developer. And I see all the wonderfull work done here. But i hate the lazy "you all probably know what im talking about" attitude around here. I feel a bit scammed by either the very shiny threads with custom logos and artwork, listing as many points as they can - whats the purpose - you dont sell anything here. Or on the other hand the very short threads that omit the most important points, making the ROMs incompareable - are you hiding something?
so i propose:
an enforced thread layout, that is composed by the community.
some points i would like to see in it:
name
version
based on (RUU revision number, link)
android revision(, sense revision)
type (a coarse classification: stock, themed, bloatfree, desensed, ported, testrelease, AOSP. multiple selection possible)
changes to base (the 5 main topics of this ROM. at least kernel, bootscreen, keyboard, launcher, theme)
dependencies: firmware etc.
screenshot (i know mostly there is no difference, but i personally am a visual type and need them )
a bug checklist (also community build, most usual bugs, states: ok, minor, broken, untested)
a tweaks checklist (e.g. rooted, deodexed, zipaligned, crt, recent apps, APM, battery, /etc/hosts, beats etc.)
APK versions (also a community build checklist, maybe a script for that)
changelog (for each old version a download, for each change a source link, not just "thanks xyuser" - having the ROM in github etc. would be awesome)
I bet there are some more points - i think the non-developers should unite and demand a bit of quality. Develop and enforce a standard. Use this thread to gather ideas.
And inb4 "be gratefull and take what you get" - no, I think chefs have a responsibility to be transparent, they get lots of testers and glory in return. XDA is a central reference for everyone who roots his device. Mods have taken some good steps to clean up the mess. Now its time for the next.
I think the more detailed the information gets, the faster the development will become and users can build trust in what they flash.
Mods, would something like this be possible?
Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
MOVZX said:
Yes, it will make everything easier for the users too compare one with another.
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thats what I think. any other oppinions?
jonasb said:
thats what I think. any other oppinions?
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I also agree, There are way to many roms out there, I couldnt possibly flash them all and test them, My phone would be outdated by the time i managed that.
The majority are exactly the same, except with the occasional different theme /tweak /app but other than that i think they are similar...
I also get the feeling that the ROMs are a pretty much copy & paste job (with the exception of the devs that build from scratch)
I would like to see some sort of organization in the development thread.. I have nothing against these ROM Makers, But if the first post pointed out what exactly makes THIS ROM different than any others. i think it would be less confusing to people..
I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
EDIT: Good Idea
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Maybe there should be a forum for 'Original Development' for projects that aren't a variation of another project. I've seen this for other devices' forums.
mugetsu666 said:
I am so for this. I am tired myself of all the crap too. I would like to know what I'm getting and how stable it truly is. I mean saying it's stable but then u find our in post number 400, that one the newest release there are some bugs which don't make it go for every day use. And if it's kanged, tell us, some do tell us but then same get someone else and make it theirs with some changes but nobody finds out till later. I'm also tired of ppl causing problems for others, whenever they follow rules more than others, and tell them this is such & suches place u better leave. I that's y some really good ppl leave here and sometimes the mods allow it cause they're friends. It's total bs, but this is just how I feel!
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Looks like I was never enjoyed my phone even just for 1 day. Today I've installed a ROM, adding many apps from Market which took many hours to setup & configure.
While I've become comfortable with the ROM, something freaked Me ouy: "Oh, there is even better and way more stable ROM available than this current ROM." Downloading, it takes about 1 to 2 hours. Then booted the ROM, but I caught myself disappointed with the news, "This new one has just another clone of the first ROM I've ever tried." Oh no, it has different theme and feels! "All of them are on the same base, same kernel, same etc, etc, etc."
Then, my final decision should be restoring the first ROM through Recovery, but again it takes minutes to complete.
And yet, I fooled with Battery Calibration placebo/myth which actually doesn't exist. Do I need to recalibrate my battery on s ROM changes? No, Google Official has just stated it's just a myth and placebo.
This is what I feel, sorry I mean no offense to any Devs.
Sent from my HTC Sensation XE with Beats Audio using xda premium
azzledazzle said:
+ 1 ^^^
I get belittled sometimes in them threads, Im just trying to ask a simple question and the replies are 'dude.. this was asked ten times already.. look at post 862816745 and you will see....' The damn threads change so fast i cant keep up.. Im not a noob... maybe a novice to the sensation but i know what im doing in general.
People expect everyone to know how to do things - because they have done it themselves so many times... Id rather help someone with the simplest question than shout at them for not asking for help and bricking their phone...
C'mon guys, play nice
Rant over lol
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Dude I am so with u. Some threads r just so damn long that to every little post would take to long and I would probably never be able to flash a rom. As far as noobs go, we were all noobs at one point. I get most to get me on gtalk so I can help them without some as telling them off. Yeah sometimes it takes me some time but hell I've been able to save quite a few phones.
Its a much better feeling knowing you have helped someone and saved a phone from the horrible stock ROM or possible brick..
Ive done my fair share of helping noobs to help other noobs... Ive also saved a few phones from the trash too
XDA is a community - not a place to rant at people for being a noob - Although there are some hopeless people out there who do not follow the rules, But the majority of us just need some guidance..
The worlds best android developer wasnt born the best... he / she was obviously a noob who learnt from someone else...
The way i see it is that noobs are the future of development so dont hate us
I so agree and am getting ready to learn the cooking game from a friend and great deveolper. He's also getting ready to aquire a sensation and is going to port some of his awesome work from the 3d to the sensation, but make it with ics. Don't know if it'll every see xda because of the drama but it'll be on our teams site. It might make since he does have stuff in evo on xda but I don't know yet.
I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
rawrfische said:
I'll probably get flamed for this, but that's xda.
The devs don't do this for our convenience. As users who don't pay them a salary, I don't think we're in a position to tell them how they should share what they do. They use their spare time to make something and then choose to share with the masses, which they really didn't have to do. How they choose to present their work should really be up to them IMO.
Besides, if you stick around long enough and read the threads now and then, you'll be able to tell which devs are doing real work versus someone who just forks another person's ROM and throws in some personal tweaks.
Yes most of the ROMs are similar in looks or function, but that's too be expected since everything comes from whatever HTC releases. Each one has its own flavor since each dev has different priorities. Want something totally different? Try one of the WIP AOSP/CM9 builds or maybe MiUI v4.
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I think the real question is, WHY are the devs doing it at all? There are motives. I think this thread is basically asking them to spare us. If they decide to pack their ball up and go somewhere else, no big deal. The REAL devs will always stick around.
This thread isn't directed at our "patron devs" but all the no names that pop up with these ridiculous, and misleading, clones while asking for donations.
All in all, no one is forcing us to flash their ROM. It would be nice to have several layers to the dev forum. We need a place to easily see what the pro devs are up to without all the mess in the way. Or, how some genuine developing is coming along...
Matt
I can see it from both sides, All the devs good or bad are still great in their own way.
But some tidying up in the development section wouldnt do any harm... Its like a jumble sale in there, Rummaging around to see whats what. Its ridiculous
Thread cleaned.
Now, you watch your attitude and language or simply face the consequences...
yaddamean, I understand what you mean but I would say the opposite: devs that dont care to be transparent, can host their ROMs on their servers elsewhere. I know this is a quite fundamental difference in views. But i dont get what should be the advantage of being the silent majority.
Good things never come easily.
I bet we would not loose one good dev.
Moved to the about Xda-developers forum as such discussions are not device specific but rather site specific
I agree with u and because of yaddamean and others like him who like to just jump in and flamming ppl. As soon as someone stands up to those kinda ppl, the real supporters of this Site and it's Real dev, get in trouble. That's y ppl leave here too!
broncogr said:
Moved to the about Xda-developers forum as such discussions are not device specific but rather site specific
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this will get us less viewers but more mods hopfully
is there any chance of changing the current practice?
That's y it was moved less attention.