As in the subject...i wanto to make voip calls over 3g networks, not wifi..!!!
It's possible or not??
with Skype 2.2beta works nicely
diektronics said:
with Skype 2.2beta works nicely
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Oh..i didn't say this..!! Skype is perfectly functionally...but..i wish use integrated voip of wm6..!
I use Internet Calling with my TyTN over 3G on AT&T (PDA connect plan) to my local asterisk server. My server sits behind NAT and my TyTN is on extension 500. My Asterisk server has a trunk connection to my Vonage softphone account for outbound calling. Overall, it works very nicely. There's a bit of breakup, but its quite usable. I'm working on a GSM610 codec now that will improve things even further.
My main issue is power. VoIP over the 3G data connection dramatically reduces battery life. It's like constant surfing with PIE.
I use it over T-Mobile's EDGE. Because this is not real 3G, regular calls can't be received while there is a data stream, but my VoIP provider allows me to forward to my regular phone numbers when the VoIP number is off line.
Bottom line, it works perfectly fine with the included software in WM6.
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I have Skype runing fine on my PDA2K using WIFI however it doesn't seem to work at all well when I have only a GPRS connection.
I have a Vodafone SE V800 3G/UTMS phone and had 3G data working with an IPAQ 5550 although didn't get a chance to try it with Skype before getting my PDA2K.
Unfortunately the dialup networking client option that was in the bluetooth manager on the IPAQ appears to be missing on the PDA2K. Somebody has done this before on a XDA II see http://en.pdamobiz.com/en/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=58&PN=1
however it looks like it is with an old version of the MS BT stack which I cannot load on to my device.
ROM ver: 1.22.00 WWE
ROM date: 10/22/04
Radio Ver: 1.06.00
Protocol ver: 1337.38
ExtROM: 1.22.162 WWE
Using broadcom BT-PPC/PE version 1.0.0 Build 3500
Any ideas.
Graham :?
Which GPRS service offering are you using? If you are using the bulk MediaNet from Cingular then I suspect if won't work. That GPRS connection is designed to support WAP and email only, so it only allows the use of certain ports. I don't know which ports SKYPE uses, but I don't think it's limited to Port 80.
It is Vodafone UK's mobile connect 3G/GPRS solution which on 3g is up to 384kbps download and it hands over to GPRS when outside of 3G coverage. I doesn't appear to be limited to specific ports as it works with HTTP, VPN, POP3, IMAP. There is an option to use Port 80 on the PC Skype app but I can't see that option on the pocket PC. At the moment I can't get even get my PDA2K to connect to my phone other than through a serial port. I will test Skype with a PC connected to my 3G phone to see if the data side works however it would be great for other apps if I could use the speedier 3G data connection through my PDA2K
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It is Vodafone UK's mobile connect 3G/GPRS solution which on 3g is up to 384kbps download and it hands over to GPRS when outside of 3G coverage. I doesn't appear to be limited to specific ports as it works with HTTP, VPN, POP3, IMAP. There is an option to use Port 80 on the PC Skype app but I can't see that option on the pocket PC. At the moment I can't get even get my PDA2K to connect to my phone other than through a serial port. I will test Skype with a PC connected to my 3G phone to see if the data side works however it would be great for other apps if I could use the speedier 3G data connection through my PDA2K
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The PDA2K is a 2.5G device - so 3G will not be possible through it.
Are you able to connect to other non-web services via your GPRS connection such as email or msn or the likes? I know with O2 you have an O2 Active connection for web/wap and Mobile Internet for everything else.
You could try to get a freeware telnet client and telnet to the skype server on port 80 to see if it can resolve and reach it - this is one way to prove if your connection will allow it.
Both O2 2.5G (PDA2k) and my Vodafone 3G connections (v800) work no problem. I have a connection from my PDA2K to my 3G phone using the 3G modem in the V800 phone across the infrared connection and Skype connects and works. I however want to use Bluetooth rather than infrared as I have to hold my v800 phone right opposite the infrared port on my PDA2K for it all to work. I can't however find a way to create a bluetooth dial up networking connection to my V800 on the PDA2K. On my IPAQ 5550 I had a Bluetooth dial-up connection to the same phone and it worked fine on 3G. :roll:
they troubleshooted that problem at some time (Bt dial up) of our BT
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GPRS is not fast enough for making a skype call. It would also cost you a *fortune* in GPRS useage charges!!
3G is find in the down direction, but for VoIP, upstream is just as important. Anyone know what Voda 3G does upstream?
Nigel
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GPRS is not fast enough for making a skype call. It would also cost you a *fortune* in GPRS useage charges!!
3G is find in the down direction, but for VoIP, upstream is just as important. Anyone know what Voda 3G does upstream?
Nigel
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I was talking on skype over GPRS yesterday. Worked flawlessly. No delay on voice and no cutting of voice.
True, with the wrong GPRS plan you run up a cost, but otherwise it works fine.
3G's major flaw is the bandwidth limitation per AP. At 2mbit it just doesn't work well in populated areas. Besides, most 3G operators frown upon VoIP and file transfers over their network, hence trying to block it. Skype is hard to block since it cleverly looks for open ports, however, that causes voice cutouts and delays.
Hah! Try T-Mobile GPRS lmao. There is no way you can use SKYPE with TMO in US. NO WAY! If someone says you can there are full of sh.. I have a PDA2K and a XDA IIs. I tested them both with GPRS and it sounds like shi.. The only way SKYPE will work with no problems is with WIFI.
Vodafone 3G here in the UK maximum upload speed is 64kbps which IMHO should be enough for SKYPE latency could be a problem though. Unfortunately no futher forward in getting my PDA2K to dial up to 3G phone using Bluetooth. Does anybody know of a cradle that can hold the PDA2K and V800 so that the infrared ports face each other :lol:
Buying an xda2s and will join soon
You might look a bit like dom jollie when walking down the street though LOL. I use a voip and sip client on my 5550 and use this by the multitude of wifi access points around London.I have a voip pbx back at the office that i connect to and make calls from(out to the real world not to just other skype users) I have tried skype over GPRS 3G and wifi and found because of the limited bandwidth it worked in lumps of seconds at a time but was not consistant enough to be able to hold a conversation for longer than a couple of seconds (via gprs - Voda uk) and 3Gwork slightly smoother but still not as consistant as on wifi.This i can only put down to congestion on the networks.. Anyway i suppose i ambiased as i have access to pbx voip remotely..Another cheap way to make calls..LOL :lol:
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Is there a way to use the VOIP hack to enable service on the new @home t-mobile network? I know the VOIP works with standard SIP services but is there a way to make it work on this new network?
nope, tmo uses a different protocol that basically tunnels GSM through the WIFI connection.
I use http://www.tivi.com/ for making VOIP calls, its free and i can call any SIP number, it workes perfectly with T-mobile Dash... you just need a WIFI connection...
Is there a way that i can either automatically or manually stop GPRS or HSDPA starting if i have an active Wifi connection?
Thanks
keeping pressing the end call button
the situation i refer to is.
I am surfing the net on my home wifi network, then by itself the GPRS starts and takes over the connection (and subsequently the am charged data usage fees). It has happened a few times and am not always aware when or why it switches on. the wifi remains on, but IE just uses GPRS.
Hitting the end call button would not work, becuase i am not on a call.
But if i was to be on a 'wifi' voip call, hitting the end buttton would cancel my voip call.
Surely others may have experienced this?
GLO said:
the situation i refer to is.
I am surfing the net on my home wifi network, then by itself the GPRS starts and takes over the connection (and subsequently the am charged data usage fees). It has happened a few times and am not always aware when or why it switches on. the wifi remains on, but IE just uses GPRS.
Hitting the end call button would not work, becuase i am not on a call.
But if i was to be on a 'wifi' voip call, hitting the end buttton would cancel my voip call.
Surely others may have experienced this?
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I have seen the same behavior. On my Trinity, I have it setup to get emails automatically every 60 minutes. It seems that no matter how I configure my connections, it prefers to use GPRS/3G for email. However, if I am surfing with wifi connected, even if GPRS is also connected, it uses the wifi connection for surfing. I have checked this with a data monitoring program. The only other time the GPRS/3G connects automatically is if the wifi connection is dropped.
edit: There is a program called No Data, which will toggle the data on and off. It could be useful when roaming etc.
The data monitoring program sounds like a good test.
Which one do you recommend and will it be able to differentiate between GPRS and HSDPA, and wifi?
Cheers
Here is something that is interesting!
I was connected via wifi and opened up http://m.youtube.com to see what its like on the P3600i and it loads up Windows Media Player in streaming mode, but Windows Media Player automatically starts up the HSDPA connection to start the streaming!
If i disconnect the HSDPA connection the media player fails.
Thats got to be a classic example of this dilemma!
You could try the Modaco connection tool found here:
http://www.modaco.com/index.php?automodule=downloads&showfile=2292
Although I do get annoyed when windows live instists it connects over GPRS instead of Wifi.
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The data monitoring program sounds like a good test.
Which one do you recommend and will it be able to differentiate between GPRS and HSDPA, and wifi?
Cheers
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I am using GPRS Traffic Monitor, it will monitor USB, InfraRed port, GPRS, and MMS. For me, MMS is a per call fee, so I don't monitor that. I monitor only GPRS which includes all data like GPRS/3G/3.5G. It doesn't measure wifi since in principle that should be free for the phone. As I said, auto email fetching seems to always prefer GPRS if it is connected, if GPRS isn't connected it is happy to use the Wifi connection. PIE always takes the wifi if it is connected even if GPRS is connected also. I suppose different programs will have different behavior for connection preference. I have a 50meg limit on my phone provider which is why I monitor the connection. I would definitely check each program to see if it will take the wifi first, especially streaming media
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I am using GPRS Traffic Monitor, it will monitor USB, InfraRed port, GPRS, and MMS.
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Do you have a link? There seems to be a handful of matching apps, such as this one but theres no mention of USB, IR etc etc.
I also found GPRS Traffic Monitor 3.2 which looks real good as i would like to monitor 2 different GPRS connections through the Service Provider (such as 3netaccess, 3Services, and X-series data) but i am lead to believe that registration is by a key from the developer http://www.all-locations.com/ but they dont seem to be around anymore.
thanks
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Do you have a link? There seems to be a handful of matching apps, such as this one but theres no mention of USB, IR etc etc.
I also found GPRS Traffic Monitor 3.2 which looks real good as i would like to monitor 2 different GPRS connections through the Service Provider (such as 3netaccess, 3Services, and X-series data) but i am lead to believe that registration is by a key from the developer http://www.all-locations.com/ but they dont seem to be around anymore.
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This is the one that I'm using http://www.efficasoft.com/gprsmonitorppc.html
Matterhorn,
Im trying the GPRS Monitor that you have recommended but is it correct that it only totals the monitored connections, rather than providing individual tallies?.
Just wondered if anybody in Australia has got VoIP working on one of the Windows Mobile 6.1 ROMS (I'm currently using CRCs one). If so I have the following questions:
What network are you on (I'm on 3).
What VoIP provider are you with (I'm with Internode at the moment mainly because I have broadband with them).
How did you configure VoIP? After my configuration it always says no network is available.
Is it a viable "cheap" phone option to get a large wireless broadband quota and do VoIP that way? This is mainly because I don't know what my fixed line availability will be for the next 12 months.
Can you do VoIP while using my phone as a "shared" modem (I can use that for broadband instead of getting a separate modem)
Do I need to be plugged into a wireless "LAN" to be able to use VoIP or is it ok to simply use wireless broadband outside of a corporate LAN?
Any ideas would be helpful, so I can determine if what I want to do is a viable option.
Thanks,
Ian
no this doesnt work in AUS, from what i remeber the service provider controls this part thus the reason its mostly disabled in these cooked roms.
My WiFi calling at home is flawless so far. At work is a different story. I worked with our IT group to track down the lack of connection. Turns out our firewall was blocking SIP traffic. Easy fix. Now I get the blue icon, but calls have no audio on either end. No dial tone, no ringing, nothing. Back to the IT guys, this time they see my IP opening ports in the 58,000 to 59,000 range. They are unwilling to open those ports without good reason. My question is, why is the Kineto app connecting calls in the normal SIP port range, then dumping audio through ports in the dynamic & private port ranges? Does anyone know anything about how the Kineto VoIP client works?
Sent from my SGH-T889 using xda app-developers app
I'd be very curious on this too if anyone's got things mapped out better.
That is the way SIP phones work. SIP signaling is done usually at port 5060 and the rtp (audio) is in another random range. Most asterisk (Open source PBX) systems use 10,000 - 20,000 port range for signalling. But there must be another problem as those ports generally are opened by the outgoing connection and need not be left open by the router.
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That is the way SIP phones work. SIP signaling is done usually at port 5060 and the rtp (audio) is in another random range. Most asterisk (Open source PBX) systems use 10,000 - 20,000 port range for signalling. But there must be another problem as those ports generally are opened by the outgoing connection and need not be left open by the router.
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The IT guys were perplexed also, since we use VoIP for many other applications without having this issue. In terms of running a secure network environment, I wonder if opening such a large range of ports for two-way RTP traffic is a good idea. The RTP data seems to want to hop around in the port range randomly, also. Our firewall is not letting the SIP client open those ports, since we have the ranges I mentioned earlier blocked. I'm still unclear whether the issue lies with the way Kineto set up the T-Mo client or with our firewall settings.
Here's ports I use for WiFi Calling (HTC Sensation, HTC Amaze, and Samsung S3) in my house.
UDP
Dst Port: 40000-59999
TCP
Dst Port: 500,4500,5060,5061
Make sure they're on the high priority list if you have QoS.
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Here's ports I use for WiFi Calling.
UDP
Dst Port: 40000-59999
TCP
Dst Port: 500,4500,5060,5061
Make sure they're on the high priority list if you have QoS.
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It seems that the Kineto app is really not a very well designed tool. For example, Lync uses SIP for outgoing calls. It initiates the call using port 5060, then tunnels the RTP using SIP_TLS at that same port location. The more I learn, the more I see that real SIP applications are much more advanced than the one that got cobbled into our TMo ROMs. Even the open-source SIP applications use a fairly standard range of ports in the 10K - 20K range. The reason so many people have issues with the Kineto app is that is was designed in a way that makes it prone to failure. There are much better and more reliable ways to conduct RTP transfers. Let's hope the next ROM update sees a more advanced version of the WiFi calling application.
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It seems that the Kineto app is really not a very well designed tool. For example, Lync uses SIP for outgoing calls. It initiates the call using port 5060, then tunnels the RTP using SIP_TLS at that same port location. The more I learn, the more I see that real SIP applications are much more advanced than the one that got cobbled into our TMo ROMs. Even the open-source SIP applications use a fairly standard range of ports in the 10K - 20K range. The reason so many people have issues with the Kineto app is that is was designed in a way that makes it prone to failure. There are much better and more reliable ways to conduct RTP transfers. Let's hope the next ROM update sees a more advanced version of the WiFi calling application.
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And it works so well for voice because it is flagged by Tmobile's servers and given some QoS. -Which is what I'm assuming based on my unscientific testing and years of using different Voip services.
Have you thought of using a software VPN AFTER connecting to wifi?