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Universal in car mount from PDAHut - Review

Okay, the nice people over at PDAHut kindly sent me their new HTC Universal in car mount. I have now had a couple of weeks to really put it to the test so here is my verdict and before you ask, nope, I don't work for them.
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On opening the package I was initially quite impressed. Manufactured in Germany, the finish of the plastic components were of a very good quality, no sharp edges, the texture and colour are a very close match to the Universal from O2 (the Exec). The part that grips the Universal itself is a simple spring design. The back edge has 3 small lips that over hang the device but still allow you to open and close the screen. The front is help by two more clips that are also sprung by flexing the plastic. It holds the device quite snugly and only really showed a problem when holding the Universal vertically in landscape, The weight of the Universal caused to it to creep down, spreading the two front sprung clips and allowing the back three clips to work loose. Saying that it never did fall out, even with the serious speed bumps in our street. The cradle has all the usual cut aways for standby, SD, headphones, reset, mini USB, Phone keys, speakers, volume, camera, voice and backlight keys. Even the IR and camera lens are clear. There is a small sticker fixed to the holder warning the user against opening the screen 180 degrees. I tried it and when I did the screen acted as a lever and forced the back of the Universal out of the holder. Adjustment is via twin axis swivel near the base, both with knurled thumb screws to lock it in place. After this there is a telescopic section that clicks into place as it is extended and retracted. Lastly is a full ball joint allowing you to rotate the device from portrait to landscape, again with a locking thumb screw to secure it in position. The suction base did not come off once in the 2 weeks I have used it and the all the thumb screws stayed tight. They also supplied a sticky back cup if you wanted to fix it to a textured surface.
So, overall, a lovely piece of kit and in my humble opinion well worth the money PDAhut are asking for it!
You can find the product here :-
http://www.pdahut.com/store/product.php?productid=17600
Regards, gooroo[/img]

Hi, I'm looking at getting some sort of mount for my Uni, how do you think this compares with another I was looking at at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9714064603&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1 ??
This one has a built in speaker and mic to enhance the onboard versions, the only downside is that the Uni stays in reverse clam position, you can't close and open normally, but I don't see that of much of a problem...
Would appreciate others opinions, esp if anyone has any of them, or similar....

Just bought one, thanks for the link, it looks great.

I bought one too
Hi, newbie here - just bought one of those units to run the TOM TOM from.
Now I have had a real strange one....
There is a little switch on the side which switches from GPS unit charging to XDA charging, trouble is after about 1/2 hour smoke started to appear from the back of the speaker mounting. Then the charging (red) light went out. I disconnected it all and let it and me cool down.
Anyway I thought the unit must have gone awol so I tried it again later and the red light comes back on but as soon as the XDA goes in the cradle (with it disconnected when I insert it) and then connect it, it still wont charge.
So today I bought a cigar lighter charger for the XDA and tried that and it also didnt charge the XDA - this was for the i-mate in an Orange store. So it looks like I need to visit the O2 shop.
I thought jeez the charging circuit has gone in the XDA, so when I got home I plugged it in to the wall charger and hey presto it worked?!?! So I am somewhat confused unless the Cigar lighter in the car is doing something bizzarre I'm stumped any thoughts?
Cheers
Paul

fatman11111, what one did you get? The one with pics at the top, or the one I linked?

...the one you linked to...i'm going to contact them next week to see what can be done - if you've got one try it out to see if you get the same probs, but stand by with a fire extinguisher!!!!
XDA Exec with latest version software...
Cheers
Paul

also....I dont recall it having a mic either, the LED is red on mine - moot point....when yopu connect the speaker cable to the XDA you cut off the Mic from the phone so you have a mic for incoming calls (bit poor really).
I got mine with Tomtom 5 from website not ebay...

fatman11111 said:
I got mine with Tomtom 5 from website not ebay...
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Where did you get it? How much dosh? Cheers matey

I haven't given these guys a right to reply yet - but this was the deal....
http://www.handnav.co.uk/bundles.php?id=983

Hi gooroo,
How about getting the universal in and out of the holder, can you give some detailed info about that please.

This one seems to have it's own mic so you get "proper" hands-free without BT headset.
http://www.gpsforless.co.uk/product_details.php?id=3436&PHPSESSID=170da4d9bfffd65cb09321f0d09c5afc

sipat said:
This one seems to have it's own mic so you get "proper" hands-free without BT headset.
http://www.gpsforless.co.uk/product_details.php?id=3436&PHPSESSID=170da4d9bfffd65cb09321f0d09c5afc
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Yeah, that's the one that I posted at the top, do you think it's better than the first? I'm in two minds about which one of the two to get... It's got a mic... but don't know if I like the idea of it slotting in, rubbing paintwork, scratching after a while....

Yep I was worried about the same this with the one which has the mic too.
I am actuallt considering the brodit one more so at the moment.

Yep I was worried about the same this with the one which has the mic too.
I am actuallt considering the brodit one more so at the moment.

Yep, it's very simple although takes a little practice to do it with one hand. If you look at the photo's at the top, you simply pull the two sprung catches at the bottom apart and the Universal slips down by about 10mm allowing the top clips to clear the Universal and so allowing you to simply lift it out.
Regards, Simon

returned goods
Sent the old one back today... the guys at Handnav were really responsive thouygh got a mail over the weekend with an RMA form - so I'll see what happens when i get the new one.
FD

@fatman, I assume you are referring to the active mount mentioned elsewhere in this thread and not the passive mount that I reviewed?
It seems people are making a few negative comments regarding a active mount that someone else mentioned. I would like to point out that those comments are not about the passive mount I reviewed, with which I might add I am still well happy with!
Regards, Simon

In car charging
Hi fatman11111,
I have had my XDA Exec for a few months now & have always had a problem with charging in the car, sometimes it would and others it wouldn't.
I even bought another in car charger as I thought it was faulty.
Just today I have found that if I plug my XDA in then power it up it charges. If I switch on first, it doesn't.
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Orbit busted screen - dismantle help.

Hi folks.
I've busted the screen on my Orbit whilst carrying it in my pocket at work. The glass digitiser beneath the clear plastic cover is cracked and there is a very faint "puddle" of grey ink behind.
I've found a new digitiser on eBay here so I've tried to dismantle the phone. Not having much luck so far apart from removing the 4 case screws at the rear I cannot disassemble the case, Any tips here?
Is the ink puddle in the digitiser part or do I need a new LCD as well? The LCD seems to be working perfectly and the ink mark is barely visible with the backlight on.
Cheers for any advice.
Pete.

Right I've dismantled the phone successfully - just need to be a little braver pulling it apart. The digitiser seems to be bonded to the LCD so I guess I'll have to buy the whole assembly.

Well for anyone who'se interested I managed to remove the digitiser off the LCD with a stanley blade, reassembled the phone and the grey mark on the screen has disappeared, so I'll be buying the digitiser off ebay and fitting that.

Pete. said:
Hi folks.
I've busted the screen on my Orbit whilst carrying it in my pocket at work. The glass digitiser beneath the clear plastic cover is cracked and there is a very faint "puddle" of grey ink behind.
I've found a new digitiser on eBay here so I've tried to dismantle the phone. Not having much luck so far apart from removing the 4 case screws at the rear I cannot disassemble the case, Any tips here?
Is the ink puddle in the digitiser part or do I need a new LCD as well? The LCD seems to be working perfectly and the ink mark is barely visible with the backlight on.
Cheers for any advice.
Pete.
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Hi, once the four screws are off how did you seperate the items - when I tried the four screws it did not loosen the device at all - I have a pen/wand stuck in my orbit and need to get it out.
Cheers
Jez

Look at post 2 on this thread, he just used a bit more force!

MaskedMarauder said:
Look at post 2 on this thread, he just used a bit more force!
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True, but apply the force where? I have a habit of breaking these things,,,,,

Hi Jezd.
I started on the bottom corner opposite the stylus holder and once I lifted it a bit jammed my thumbnail in there and just ran it around the joint towards the top. Once it got so hard that I thought I might break something I did the other side. It popped open with a bit of effort.

hey, to go off-topic ever so slightly, the piece with the orange cable coming out of it is the part you actually touch?
i got a scratch on my screen and would like to replace it if its just this piece:
http://cnn.cn/shop/8525tytn-touch-p-87.html
ayuda me, por favor!

That touch screen does not fit the Orbit (and nor does the one I bought). I received my touchpad today and it's different to the one I have removed from my xda, despite the ad saying it was for the orbit.
Does anyone have a photo of an Artemis touch-pad so I can compare?

Here's a pic of the digitizer connections I have. I bought the digitizer from the eBay link above, but it has a different connector to the Orbit screen I have. I think that either they have incorrectly listed the digitizer, or that it actually does fit the Artemis but that the the orbit is shipping with the later screen that comes in the Trinity/P3600. I found a pic somewhere that shows the Trinity digitizer with a similar connector to mine. According to this website the screens are inter-changable so I gather it's quite feasible. Here's how the parts I have are different:
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where can I find a digitizier for p3300?

bandrea15 said:
where can I find a digitizier for p3300?
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check out e-bay, you can get them cheaply

As above but watch out - there are two types of digitiser for the orbit. One has a ribbon about 8mm wide the other about 4mm wide. Check which one you have before ordering.
Here's the difference, the one I bought was a later-type screen as fitted I think in the Trinity (in fact if your digitiser is this type then you can have this one for free as I have no use for it) :

Cant find!
i can't find nothing for p3300 on ebay!
can you give me a link please?
thank you for the answer!

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LCD-Touch-Scr...ryZ41343QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HTC-Artemis-P...oryZ3728QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
This is where I buy mine from. Had 3 so far.

At that price it is almost worth having one in the cupboard as a spare, just in case.

Broken XDA Orbit screen
Hi,
I've replaced the screen on my Orbit, and I've posted the instructions on another forum.
http://www.modaco.com/Disassemble-XDA-Orbit-t260167.html
Hope this helps, and I used this item off ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/O2-XDA-Orbit-...ryZ10364QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Matt

Hi all,
I also broke the screen of my XDA Orbit accidentally and I got this one to replace it:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=260309424816
Then I followed the instructions of this website to mount it:
http://www.formymobile.co.uk/orbitdisassembly.php
The operation went fine and the new display looks good, but now it seems that the phone is getting hot when talking and it runs out of battery very quick! A full charge lasts just for 3-4 hours, which is pretty annoying. I think it might be overheating or something...
Anyone had this problem before? How can I fix this?? Thanks!

Nobody????

my guide to take apart the excalibur (42 pics)

*****WARNING*****
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PLEASE USE PRECAUTION AGAINST STATIC CHARGE
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ok after more than an hour of taking pictures and editing im finally ready to upload them and be done with this. geeze you cooks must have some patience! my hats off to ya...so here we go...hope this helps atleast one person out there to make it worth my time.
ok to start we are going to need a t6 screwdriver, a prying tool a percision phillips screwdriver. (I ADVISE YOU USE A ANTI-STATIC WRISTBAND TOO)
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so flip your dash over, remove the battery cover, take the battery out, and set off to the side. locate the rubber pieces from the picture below and remove them with your prying tool.
this next part is VERY important. note the void sticker over the top of the right screw. by opening your case you void any warrenty that may be active. just use you t6 to remove both of the screw (note they are silver)
now we only have four more screws to remove to get the back panel off, they are circled in red below, use your t6 again here. these screws are black
with all the screws out of the back panel you now need to take your prying tool and put in between the back panel and the chrome piece on the dash, if this is your first time it will be tight. dont be afraid to use a little force. (on the real tight spots is where it latches, that where you need to pry)
now comes the part i found a little different between my two dash's. the one made in china is the one i used in this guide (i have included a picture of the other one to show the differences). go ahead and remove the back panel. on my china dash the wire to the battery thing was NOT connected to the back panel and on my other dash it WAS connected to the back panel.
i didnt circle it but in the second picture you can see a wire going to the back panel and in the first picture you dont see that. in the next step you can see it nice and snug under the connector.
now locate the connection from the picture below and lift it out of the socket. easy to do just use your nail on the end and lift up.
the circled red connector below holds that cabel on, just use your nails and lift straight up on this and set it off to the side. i sat it in the spot on the back panel that it was on with my other dash
with thoes done we move on to the next spot, with again is circled in red below. use your prying tool, as pictured, to open the latch up.

here i used my nails and removed the "cable" by using the two tiny tabs on the side
the next thing we need to disconnect is below. again use your prying tool to open the latch like you did before.
once you have it open use remove the "cable" by using the circled tab
now the we almost have the mobo off. soo use the t6 to remove the screw, this is also a silver screw but, as noted, their is a difference in size.
the last thing holding the mobo on is two clips, and guess what? their pictured below...
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i just used my nail to hold one back a little and lifted the mobo out and set it aside. ( the picture shows the "front" of it)
the antenna just lifts off, but you dont need to remove it
and this is what you should see now
were now ready to remove that chrome piece, note that the two circled "cables" go THROUGH the chrome piece.

i used the prying tool to remove the chrome piece, it came off really easy. hopefully it does the same for you
and heres a picture showing the "cables" that go through the chrome piece
set the chrome piece off to the side, and were almost done here
now its time to remove that lcd, which is so easly broken for most people. see the circled peice on the back? that grounds it out, just peel it off. and remove the lcd. i just put my hand over it and flipped the phone over. it came right out and i set it off to the side
now we can see the finish line
their are 3 screws to remove to get the keyboard pcb board off. use a percision phillips screwdriver (the one pictured in my first post is just a small phillips, it worked just fine)
set it off to the side and the keypads will just fall out if you turn the phone over
and thats it. i did not include how to remove the jogger bar, i have not done soo, no need to. if you do please take pictures to add to the guide.
please let me know what you think. i have included all the pictures in a zip file, they are a little better quality.

Thanks xDD
Now, when I find the new housing I want, I can finally do it.

phuKKah said:
Thanks xDD
Now, when I find the new housing I want, I can finally do it.
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what kind of housing are you looking for? just the tmobile housing or htc housing?

Good post!! Just hope I never have to reference it

Very helpful post
Can you do it in reverse too please JK

stylez said:
Very helpful post
Can you do it in reverse too please JK
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its simple all you need is a hammer....lol
i figured someone would say it. hehe

skaroger867 said:
what kind of housing are you looking for? just the tmobile housing or htc housing?
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I'm actually looking for a translucent housing, kinda like what I used to do to my original Xbox.

phuKKah said:
I'm actually looking for a translucent housing, kinda like what I used to do to my original Xbox.
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thats right, i remember a thread on that a little while ago. if you ever find it let me know, id love to have that too. maybe a translucent black or blue one.
i just wanna remove the damn t mobile logo but dont know how to do so without scatching the case. as you can see in the first post, where i scratched it removing the logo lol

WOOOW, awesome man, this is 1 a hell of job

this should be stickied.

Great job , I'm sure this will be very handy for some people that will need to fix their phone's screen or anything else for that matter. Great post.

Please sticky
Amazing job you done here!
Hope can be sticky soon
Cheers,

thanks soo much
really thanks for a guide like this

wow thanks
now i can clean my phone

ssj3g0ku said:
wow thanks
now i can clean my phone
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yea i found all kinds of dust around the edges of mine, but then again i do work in a factory

Thank you !
Thanks a million for this.
Just completed replacement of LCD on two S620's I had given up for dead.
Now to look for the latest ROMs to play with ...

Sticky. 99.999% chance ill need this in the future.

thanx for the wisdom!!
peace!

Bad back cover quality?

I just notice of mine and two of me friends' TP2 ,
the back cover is designed so badly....
it is easily snapped off, even when i just tried to push the power button, me hand pushed the back cover in a way it would open
the snap part of the phone, that is, in the middle of each side, when the back cover snapped, it blows the size in such a way i was afraid it will break, and leave an empty spot. not so sure if this is a defect coz it also there on 2 of me friends'
so, is this a design flaw? or we were just getting bad units?
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look carefully at the dented back cover and a small gap between backcover and the unit

Hi!
i have the same problem!
my back cover "automatically" open when i do a little pressure on it, and when i close it the upper border-plastic is not at the level of the phone....mmmm
BAD HTC!!!
i wondered if it was only my problem...but probably not!
sorry for bad english, tryed to explain at my best

Hmm very strange. Mine is actually very tight, i had to apply quite a lot of force to make it go off the phone. The photo looks to me as if some of the internal holding clamps are not shifted into place when you closed the phone.

Kork said:
Hmm very strange. Mine is actually very tight, i had to apply quite a lot of force to make it go off the phone. The photo looks to me as if some of the internal holding clamps are not shifted into place when you closed the phone.
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i second that, it should be holding firm but so far i saw other 2 with exactly same problem, now 3

i had exactly the same problem...
the cover went off really easy anche the 2 sides were not in place..
the problem is in the small tooth in the lower side of the rear cover, near the usb port...
it's too tight and prevent the cover from sittin in place..
i just cut away an half millimeter from that small pieceand now the cover is in place firmly

airon11 said:
i had exactly the same problem...
the cover went off really easy anche the 2 sides were not in place..
the problem is in the small tooth in the lower side of the rear cover, near the usb port...
it's too tight and prevent the cover from sittin in place..
i just cut away an half millimeter from that small pieceand now the cover is in place firmly
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u cut it off? oh man, am i really that brave enough for this expensive phone?
how do you know its because of that small tooth anyway? is it because when you press the bottom part of the back cover it makes a squakey sound?

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5418/cimg0603mod.jpg
here is a pic of the plastic tooth i modified..

gunggu said:
u cut it off? oh man, am i really that brave enough for this expensive phone?
how do you know its because of that small tooth anyway? is it because when you press the bottom part of the back cover it makes a squakey sound?
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i didn't cut off all the tooth...just a slice...to make is thinner...
i tought about that for a week and finally trying and retrying i took the cutter and did it...
i noticed that if i put in place the rear cover not sliding it, but pushing it in place from the corners, it fited right, but the bottom part could not snap in place because of that piece of plastic...
slicing it down really carefully did allowed the back cover to snap in place
the sides of the cover now are almost in place....the bump is still there but is really not noticeable now...

airon11 said:
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5418/cimg0603mod.jpg
here is a pic of the plastic tooth i modified..
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thanks a lot for the share!!! once i gain my strength and bravery, i will also cut it myself. the photo will really help a lot!

Mine snap very tight.... actually very worried everytime when i want to open the back cover cos I have to use force to open it. Very worried I will break it, cos it is an expensive phone :>

gunggu said:
thanks a lot for the share!!! once i gain my strength and bravery, i will also cut it myself. the photo will really help a lot!
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i gained the bravery lookin at htc online shop....30 euro for a spare back cover.....i decided to try...the worst thing it coul happen is that the cover is loose and i need a spare one....not a big amount of money...

Same problem with my phone.. (Poland) but I am not so brave to cut something that I bought for over 500 euros. I gave it back and waiting for the HTC replay.
Does anybody know if they are concerning it as a product failure and replacing it?

I guess as always it depends 2/3 on your negotiation skills if the manufacturer will consider whatever issue you have as a product failure. So if all you did was opening the cover for inserting a battery and sim and then closing it and it's not closing very well, you shouldn't have any trouble getting a replacement.

I don't have this problem, Mine is very tight....

Likewise, mine is nice cool too.

fadimck said:
I don't have this problem, Mine is very tight....
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My cover was very tight (almost too tight...was kinda hard to get off) for the first month, but since yesterday it hasn't been fitting properly.
Kinda hard to tell what is wrong, but might have a look at the 'skimming' suggestion in the thread, although taking a knife to my phone...

Mine is tight too... I was suprised to read in the manual that you have to take the stylus out to remove the cover. No matter i was having issues at first.
Maybe it's time to start reading the damn things.

Mine was fine up until 2 days ago. Now I'm having the loose back cover issue. I cant believe I paid this much for a device and I have to consider modifying the back cover to fit properly.
After examining the inside of the battery cover (where the stylus inserts). I really don't see how not taking out the stylus would damage or bend the back cover when taking it off. Unless, you all see something I don't.

airon11 said:
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Thank you.
I pulled out my Drimmel tool and just barely cut a tad bit off that piece, I mean just a little bitty bit. Not too much. Now it fits a lot better than it did and it sits flush with the top of the phone like its suppose to. Don't get me wrong it could be tighter, but its not popping loose trying to get it out of its case.

Could you post a photo, maybe in good quality? I want to do same, but I am a little bit affraid... thx

Original housing

Hi all,
can anybody give a tip where to buy original samsung housing for galaxy sII? Mine felt on the road yesterday and the corners on front frame are little damaged
Thanks
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA App

Ebay, just type in i9100 housing http://cgi.ebay.com/Full-Housing-Ba...ltDomain_0&hash=item1e647efecc#ht_5121wt_1163

have anyone tried yet housing from ebay? is there any difference? worth of buy?
can i keep my back mask and replace only the front one which is damaged?

I bought one, but has yet to receive it.

guys you do know you are literally going to have to swap everything into the new front , vibrate motors , main boards , touch screen , ribbons and connectors etc etc
it really isnt as straight forwards as you think and is a very tricky thing to do especially with the parts you have bought
the easiest way to do it is with the whole front which costs approx £100 , you then only have to move the two boards from the original into the new front as all the other bits are there , with the bits youve bought you will need to transplant the whole insides of the phone
the fasica you have bought is just the plastics
be warned it is going to be a big job , i would look at the full fronts to make things a bit easier itll cost more but in my opinion be worth it

I had the camera lens damaged, so will replace only the back part.

as soon as white housing show up i think i will get one

Is that housing from ebay is really original? I doubt. It may be easy to damage or lose some little gadgets that you try to replace the housing yourself.

i think i'll give up if you say it's a hard job .. i only have a small scratch near the jack and it's not that visible .. but i don't get it .. why would i have do replace the hole thing .. my scratch is above the front camera, on the frame which isn't black, so it's not the back part where jack is and it's not the front part where screen and front camera are .. it's only a frame, why is that so hard to replace :S

ivo47 said:
i think i'll give up if you say it's a hard job .. i only have a small scratch near the jack and it's not that visible .. but i don't get it .. why would i have do replace the hole thing .. my scratch is above the front camera, on the frame which isn't black, so it's not the back part where jack is and it's not the front part where screen and front camera are .. it's only a frame, why is that so hard to replace :S
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because the whole phone is built into the front screen basically , there are 7 screws on the back , you undo them , use a opening tool to go round the fsica to undo the clips , open up the phone and a think black piece comes off (your volume button and power button will probs fall off so dont loose them) this thin black bit exposes the main boards and the screws that hold them in place ie they are screwed into the front of the phone , you then undo these screws and also undo the ribbon clips that connect the screen etc to the main boards , remove the main boards , you are now left with a front fascia that contains all things like vibrate motors screen connectors , touch screen , bezel etc etc you will be astounded by the design but it isnt the easiest to do fascia swaps
you have removed the main boards etc and now you still have to transplant all the other bits into your empty fascia , like i said not very easy at all , watch the videos on youtube etc it isnt easy
what makes it easier is if you buy this part http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-G...062?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3cb9ff0e4e
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as you can see it has all the inards built into the front a quick swap of the main boards from your damaged one to this , screw the boards back in , clip on the screen connectors , put the back on with volume buttons and power button in place , do the 7 screws up , wahey job is a good un
it can be done with the parts you have but it is going to make it bloody hard mate it isnt like taking apart a nokia phone , the deisgn is incredible , like i say where it is so thin here is no front back and middle everything is sealed into the front screen and the back clips on and covers it
good luck and i hope that does make some sense

tnx
well, i give up, that's for sure, it's too complicated and not worth od breaking my phone .. i only have a small, not easy visible scratch but it still bothers me but it'll be ok
btw... this is the place where my scratch is .. on that thiner, not black frame
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