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Please help a newbie understand all this

I am a software developer and am quite familiar with all the concepts of ROm flashing etc. but am a newbie to working with PPC devices in this regards.
I have a Cingular 8525 and would like to upgrade to WM6 but HTC and AT&T says it is not avail till Fall.
What is a "cooked" rom in the context of this forum?
What are the various pros/cons of installing one of the unofficial ROMs and how that affects both my device in general as well as AT&T support?
Any sort of overview of what this forum is all about would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Dave

hi
is too lomg to explain...
why dont you start here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299462

Best advice I can give you, is to start reading the forum for a solid week and more. I had no clue as to what or how to do anything, but after reading, and more reading you start to grasp everything. It's not hard at all. A "cooked" ROM is the term used when a "chef" (someone obviously that makes a ROM) 'cooks' it up in their "kitchen" (computer) the way they want it. Adding apps like spices. Follow? So when someone "cooks" a ROM they just basically build one to thier liking and offer it to anyone that wants to try it.
Read the wiki and the guide, and read some threads. You'll pick it up pretty fast.

I have a better idea.. Read this: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/

OK thanks folks.
I'm figuring in general that these cooks use the WM6 SDK to build the ROMs with what software they want already installed?
What are the best ROMs or "cooks" in general for the 8525?
Thanks!

Everyone has their own preference, so your best bet is just reading into all the ROMs that are offered, figuring out what you like and run with it. Or learn to cook and build your own.

davekolb said:
I'm figuring in general that these cooks use the WM6 SDK to build the ROMs with what software they want already installed?
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Actually, it's a combination of "leaked" ROMs for Hermes and best-of-breed pieces parts from any number of HTC devices, assembled with killer tools provided by cornerstone members of XDA. Does that sum it up for ya?
What are the best ROMs or "cooks" in general for the 8525?
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If turn-key WM6 for Cingular/AT&T is what you want, try one of my ROMs. If AT&T really wanted to provide WM6 they could do so now vs. in the fall. It's all about the marketing...

Not that I would as compared to using one of the existing roms built by someone with a lot more experience but what is all required to build your own WM6 ROM? What besides the WM6 SDK? Any "recipes" onhow to do so?
I have the full legal MSDN Subscription library and know that it has the WM6 SDK but can't say I have seen Mobile Office 2007 on the disks.
I should also think that there was Cingular/AT&T specific software and WM6 custimizations that needed to be added to a WM6 ROM for the 8525 that only AT&T would have or know how to configure. If so where are these bits or configuration data obtained from?
Do cooks somehow take the existing ROMs, upload them to the PC and then upgrade them? Seems like it would be difficult to enahce a binary image.
For instance, where would one get the Mobile Office 2007 bits from because these are not released yet are they? I just installed Office 2007 Ulitmate on my Vista PC but have seen a warning that WM6 does not support Office 2007 files yet.
Thanks for any and all explanations,
Dave

vp3G said:
If turn-key WM6 for Cingular/AT&T is what you want, try one of my ROMs. If AT&T really wanted to provide WM6 they could do so now vs. in the fall. It's all about the marketing...
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Yes and don't like that mentality either as I think it would be nice to take better care of existing users than potential users being a software developer and not a markieting type...
- Dave

davekolb said:
Not that I would as compared to using one of the existing roms built by someone with a lot more experience but what is all required to build your own WM6 ROM? What besides the WM6 SDK? Any "recipes" onhow to do so?
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Before the flamethrowers strike, you really need to do some (strike... lots of) reading here and many of your questions will be answered. I've yet to touch the WM6 SDK for any ROM I've produced, incidentally.
I should also think that there was Cingular/AT&T specific software and WM6 custimizations that needed to be added to a WM6 ROM for the 8525 that only AT&T would have or know how to configure.
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Not in my experience. I've found a few bugs in their stuff, in fact.
Do cooks somehow take the existing ROMs, upload them to the PC and then upgrade them? Seems like it would be difficult to enahce a binary image.
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There's a bit more to it than that. Again, I highly recommending doing some reading as this is a developers forum (containing a wealth of WM knowledge from the 'trenches')....
For instance, where would one get the Mobile Office 2007 bits from because these are not released yet are they? I just installed Office 2007 Ulitmate on my Vista PC but have seen a warning that WM6 does not support Office 2007 files yet.
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Heh, there have been ROMs with Office 2007 for a couple months now! BTW, do you believe everything M$ says?

Thanks vp3g. Did not mean to simplify anything as I stand amazed at all this even knowing a lot about PC software development - just not at this level for the PPC and was trying to get oriented. THe links help a lot. Will do the required reading...the wiki helps a lot too and have been reading it and it seems many of the mods/addons are in the extended rom. Thanks again,
- Dave

davekolb said:
...I think it would be nice to take better care of existing users than potential users...
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Hmmm... agreed, but try selling that mentality to the wireless companies or anyone who makes mobile devices! All they're genuinely interested in is the sheeple going crazy over what's next (can we all say 'iPhone'?)...
I stand amazed at all this even knowing a lot about PC software development
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Yeah, it's a bit of a different world...
it seems many of the mods/addons are in the extended rom
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Largely true for carrier-supplied ROMs. Around here the ExtROM is a big waste of hidden (albeit exposable and somewhat usable) space that would be better served as contiguous Storage (better yet Program) memory.

Gentlemen;
After looking at several other threads, this one can serve as an excellent example of how to [respectfully] treat a noob without the blatant flaming. A little dialogue, the noob begins to understand that READING the wiki and threads will answer most, if not all, his questions as well as educate him. Then it's over; the forum has another member who will one day become a valuable contributor instead of a lurker, afraid of posting due to the sometimes incessant flamethrowers.

Sick of Searching-Want offical wm6 AT&T ROM for 8125

I have searched mutiple ways. I have found just about every baked, half baked, dumped and changed wm6 ROM's out there. I have seen posts saying that what they had was the official wm6 AT&T ROM *but they had removed this or that.
I WOULd LIKE PURE!!!! Put plain and simply, the exact same OEM WM6 AT&T ROM that I would get if I bought a new device from my local AT&T store without have to buy a new device.
I have a Cingular (AT&T) 8125.
What I am NOT looking for in posts back:
Suggestions telling me to "stick it".
Telling me to search harder. (I have. And I have used google)
Someone telling me to go buy a new device.
Suggestion to try someone's half baked or modified ROM.
Just the original, unmodified or tarnished by what someone thinks is best.
Thanks,
Curious George

There's no such thing as an official wm6 ROM for the wizard from AT&T or any other carrier. If there was, you could download it directly from the AT&T website or the HTC website.
As for the "half baked" ROM's you can find in the wizard section, they were based on leaked versions that came from micrsoft and each had a whole lot of bugs in them that a lot of people here spent a a whole lot of time working out. If you don't want to use them, then don't, but don't go bad mouthing the work that so many people donated their time and effort to give to you free of charge.

They didn't GIVE me anything because I did NOT accept it. Half baked refers to those ROMS that people customize to their specific needs but make no sense to a general user. Removing important items and filling them up with unimportant trash. My first post was a tongue and cheek remark of not suggesting those. I don't need a principal or admonishment here.
Thanks,

what you DO need is to WAKE UP and crawl out of that box labeled "OFFICIAL".
(isn't the "OFFICIAL ROM" what "someone" THINKS is best?)
If you don't like the wm6 roms available, then get a vanilla rom and cook your own. That way it will have just what YOU want.
BTW they HAD to remove stuff from the leaked WM6 to make the rom fit the Wizards memory, also, if you didn't accept the cooked roms then how do you know they're half baked?
Since there ISN'T an official WM6 rom for the Wizard, your options (short of buying a new device) are:
Continue to use WM5 (official or not)
use an "unofficial" WM6 rom
cook your own WM5 rom
cook your own WM6 rom <- Best Option IMHO
I just doesn't make any sense to rant and rave about the useless stuff in other peoples roms when all the tools, packages, tutorials, and kitchens are available for you to make a custom rom to suit your specific needs.

curious george said:
They didn't GIVE me anything because I did NOT accept it. Half baked refers to those ROMS that people customize to their specific needs but make no sense to a general user. Removing important items and filling them up with unimportant trash. My first post was a tongue and cheek remark of not suggesting those. I don't need a principal or admonishment here.
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hi curious george
I think you missunderstand the whole thing about cooking roms. and what an Offical rom is. these cooked roms are all made by people that have spesific needs and an official wm6 from AT&T would also contain alot of junk that you might never need.
It's the same with OEM pc's when you buy a HP or A Dell you will get the basic OS + what HP or Dell think you would also need.
so an offical AT&T rom would not have the same apps as an offical O2 or a offical HTC rom.. but they would all still be offical roms but by 3 differant companies.
and romcookers do the job (for free) that AT&T,O2 and HTC would need to hire people to do for money.

Opinions on the default HTC TYTN WM 6.0 ROM

For the last 2 weeks, I've been reading the forum and waiting delivery on a unlocked/unbranded HTC TYTN with WM 5.0.
It appears the disadvantage of the AT&T release ROMs are speed and bloatware. I haven't seen any comments on the advantages or disadvantages of the official HTC WM 6.0 ROMs versus the cooked 6.0/6.1 ROMs.
Can anyone provide any comments on the official HTC ROMs? Sorry, if I missed it, but, I've been trying to cram as much knowledge as possible about this device and trying to make a decision on a cooked ROM or the official HTC one.
Thanks!

interesting
PJBHermes
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1
NEW THREAD on​ Opinions on the default HTC TYTN WM 6.0 ROM
I bet you didn't read anything on the open forums and you just asked your humble question...
GUIDE: on this website there is something called WIKI which has all answers to all Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
I kindly ask the moderators to do 2 important things for our forum to keep it updated:
1- open a new thread and give it the name "SPAQ" (Seldom and Personal Asked Questions) to avoid openning new threads for questions like this one.
2- we have now 258 threads opened for Hermes and that makes searching for a solution never easy unless we delete the dead and inactive threads which exceed the 150 threads... unbelievable, isn't it?
thanks
PS sorry mate, I have nothing against you personally

Wow, it took all of 18 posts to obtain that attitude? I have bookmarked and read over 50 threads. I read the wiki, I read the AT&T HTC forums, I read the Howardforums, Aximsite/MobilitySite, this site and even joined HTC Club.
Many threads, tell you how fast a cooked ROM is or what apps are in the ROM, I don't see anyone saying anything about the performance of the default HTC ROMs besides AT&T ROMs stink. I haven't seen any threads on why some people actually prefer the default to cooked ROMs or vice versa.
Nothing against you, but if searching for a solution is never easy for a savvy veteran like yourself, what makes you think every visitor or new member will find exactly what they are looking for? Even in this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=390603&page=4, you mentioned sticking to the default HTC ROM, you didn't go into details? If you would have just given the reasons why you picked the default ROM, that would have been extremely helpful, instead you assume I'm lazy and went on your soapbox.
I hope you gain some tolerance by your 25th post.
Cheers

I've been running the default 6.0 since November. I've been thinking of going to a cooked 6.0 or 6.1 ROM but have not taken the plunge. I have yet to see one thread regarding any that did not have several "It HR every XXXX days/hrs/min etc.. "
As of now I've had my share of lockups but nothing that a soft reset did not fix. While the AT&T 6.0 may be full of bloat it is the most reliable as I have not seen anyone complain that it Hard Resets.
Hope that helps.

HeyKrop, thanks for the feedback. ExactlyThat was my concern and wondering if the default HTC ROM would be better than AT&T, but not equal to a cooked version.
Right now, I'm leading to HTC's ROM and was hoping to find a definitive difference between that version and any cooked ROM. I'll continue "searching the threads" before making my final decision.
Thanks for taking time out to help a newbie.

(sigh) yes another thread on noob flashing.. guess it's my turn!
Hello,
i've been flashin my hermes for a year now and my advice would be.:
JUMP IN! the water is great my friend.
if your into flashin roms and learning from (experience). This is a good place to be.
There is wonderful talent here in xda, and the share their findings for us to learn and try out.
Don't be scared man! Just flash away!!
I recommend start with stock rom.. the move up to cooked wm6, theeeennn to 6.1's.. by then you should know the in's and outs
of your phone.
check some of the older schaaps roms. also search for my personal fav blackdragon.. he did a masterful job on a wm6 rom.
then graduate to 6.1..
-peace and happy flashing!

also...
If i remember correctly if you do flash the official ATT rom, you can soft reset the device right before the Carrier specific customization begins and interrupt all the att bloat.

I repeat again my dear friend/brother/... I really have nothing against you personally, and I am myself not that expert to answer all questions from everybody. I have a device and I'm trying almost everything on it because I know I'm dealing with software issues and I can reset whenever I want... so no risk at all in "jumping into the water" (thanks Joshkoss) as long as you read the necessary step-by-step guides.
I'm sorry for my intolerance, I surely didn't mean it to be.
PS I'm not counting my posts

Dude,
Come to think of it, When i got my phone, I didn't read one wiki before I started flashing... It's that safe!! Just make sure you have HARD SPL!!
Later

joshkoss said:
Dude,
Come to think of it, When i got my phone, I didn't read one wiki before I started flashing... It's that safe!! Just make sure you have HARD SPL!!
Later
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I remember that I unlocked my phone before having the hard SPL installed and after that I began to read the WIKIs

all htc rom
htc tytn i want htc tytn 200
update rom plz help

farres said:
I remember that I unlocked my phone before having the hard SPL installed and after that I began to read the WIKIs
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he he he he , same here. i also did the same and after i installed hard spl. bcoz i wasn't aware of hardspl and i didn't read the deatils available in wiki section of hermes at that time.

also i agree with josh koss quote "jump in, water is great". i really do agree with him. but in my opinion there are alway some sort of bugs available in cooked roms and they are not perfect but the official roms are perfect and there is rare chance that there will be any bug in it. i've tried many cooked roms of 6.0, 6.1 and 6.5, but rite now i am using official HTC rom from last 3 weeks and i haven't face any problem yet.
but the decision is yours, so cheers

Epix (I907) Rom Irony

It is remarkable that we cannot get a custom ROM for the Epix.
The only non ATT Rom I have access to that I could put on my Epix is a Beta Windows Mobile 7 build which cannot easily be rolled back and is not completely functional.
It is Ironic that Microsoft is using the Epix and the T8285 (Touch HD with 850 UMTS) as the prototype devices for WM7, yet no one has built native custom roms for these phones.
(The Touch HD Roms are designed for the T8282 which kills the US 3G support)

pidsw said:
It is remarkable that we cannot get a custom ROM for the Epix.
The only non ATT Rom I have access to that I could put on my Epix is a Beta Windows Mobile 7 build which cannot easily be rolled back and is not completely functional.
It is Ironic that Microsoft is using the Epix and the T8285 (Touch HD with 850 UMTS) as the prototype devices for WM7, yet no one has built native custom roms for these phones.
(The Touch HD Roms are designed for the T8282 which kills the US 3G support)
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WM7 ?! Care to share? If the Epix is more or less similar to the i780 maybe something will be possible.... but I need an EXE updater or BINARY of the PDA..... what's worse I cannot test it....
edit: Sooooo... not interested?

Isn't it typical that cooked ROMs don't show up until after an "official" one has been put out there? I'm guessing once ATT does an update (if they ever do) there will be a bunch that are born shortly after.
I've also read that the Epix actually has more in common with the Omnia than the i780, although obviously has aspects of both.
My big question is whether or not the Epix will get the 6.5 upgrade. It has the specs to handle it for sure, and now that Microsoft has greenlighted phones that meet minimum specs it's up to ATT. Unfortunately I have little faith they'll go to the trouble of doing it instead of just releasing new phones that already come with 6.5. You'd think that support for phones would last as long as the contracts (2 years), but the real cycle seems more like 9 months!

Cascade2 said:
Isn't it typical that cooked ROMs don't show up until after an "official" one has been put out there? I'm guessing once ATT does an update (if they ever do) there will be a bunch that are born shortly after.
I've also read that the Epix actually has more in common with the Omnia than the i780, although obviously has aspects of both.
My big question is whether or not the Epix will get the 6.5 upgrade. It has the specs to handle it for sure, and now that Microsoft has greenlighted phones that meet minimum specs it's up to ATT. Unfortunately I have little faith they'll go to the trouble of doing it instead of just releasing new phones that already come with 6.5. You'd think that support for phones would last as long as the contracts (2 years), but the real cycle seems more like 9 months!
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Actually the dump from the Epix that is available is cook-able, however I would like to try the WM7 ROM that is mentioned in the first post... the poster hasn't replied to my PM yet

I appologize for the delay.
I work at microsoft and it turns out that my name and employee info is in there in various places (I have to key in to get a build and it modifies various bits so that if I "loose" the phone, they know how to remotely wipe + hard reset it. it. If I were to share the file and someone were to find out about it, that would be a bad thing.
I would love to share it, but I don't want to take the personal risk.

pidsw said:
I appologize for the delay.
I work at microsoft and it turns out that my name and employee info is in there in various places (I have to key in to get a build and it modifies various bits so that if I "loose" the phone, they know how to remotely wipe + hard reset it. it. If I were to share the file and someone were to find out about it, that would be a bad thing.
I would love to share it, but I don't want to take the personal risk.
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"The Internet"...were 55 year old mans are 15 year old kids....and 9 year old's are FBI agents.....saying your from a company that your clearly not...priceless
.....

AT&T and Samsung website does not release "firmware updates" to the public. These updates are released strictly to Service Providers
Please help me download new firmware for I907. Im not user AT&T Service
Thanks.

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Actually the dump from the Epix that is available is cook-able
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I have an i907 and want to cook a basic ROM for it. My goal for a first ROM is to remove some of the AT&T crapware, add the new notification style (à la showthread.php?t=513924), and flash it back. I'll share any working ROMs here.
Heads up: this is my first attempt at cooking anything for WM so please bear with me. However, I've been reading the forums and I think I have a reasonable understanding of the process of cooking.
If someone can help me with a few questions to get me started, that would be greatly appreciated. Once I get going, I should be able to learn the rest on my own; I promise not to post 1000 annoying noob questions at every step of the way.
+ inertiax3, which kitchen tools work with the Epix? I read some speculation that the i780 kit could work. Can a resulting ROM be flashed to the Epix?
+ Should I use the ROM dump from this forum or would it be better to dump my own?
+ Do I need to flash any special loaders/etc before I can flash a cooked ROM?
Thanks loads! I really hope that we Epix users can finally have custom ROMs.

THANK YOU! Happy to help out however I can. I don't know anything about ROM cooking, but I know the Epix pretty well and am really glad to see someone taking this on!
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I have an i907 and want to cook a basic ROM for it. My goal for a first ROM is to remove some of the AT&T crapware, add the new notification style (à la showthread.php?t=513924), and flash it back. I'll share any working ROMs here.
Heads up: this is my first attempt at cooking anything for WM so please bear with me. However, I've been reading the forums and I think I have a reasonable understanding of the process of cooking.
If someone can help me with a few questions to get me started, that would be greatly appreciated. Once I get going, I should be able to learn the rest on my own; I promise not to post 1000 annoying noob questions at every step of the way.
+ inertiax3, which kitchen tools work with the Epix? I read some speculation that the i780 kit could work. Can a resulting ROM be flashed to the Epix?
+ Should I use the ROM dump from this forum or would it be better to dump my own?
+ Do I need to flash any special loaders/etc before I can flash a cooked ROM?
Thanks loads! I really hope that we Epix users can finally have custom ROMs.
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pap3rw8 said:
I have an i907 and want to cook a basic ROM for it. My goal for a first ROM is to remove some of the AT&T crapware, add the new notification style (à la showthread.php?t=513924), and flash it back. I'll share any working ROMs here.
Heads up: this is my first attempt at cooking anything for WM so please bear with me. However, I've been reading the forums and I think I have a reasonable understanding of the process of cooking.
If someone can help me with a few questions to get me started, that would be greatly appreciated. Once I get going, I should be able to learn the rest on my own; I promise not to post 1000 annoying noob questions at every step of the way.
+ inertiax3, which kitchen tools work with the Epix? I read some speculation that the i780 kit could work. Can a resulting ROM be flashed to the Epix?
+ Should I use the ROM dump from this forum or would it be better to dump my own?
+ Do I need to flash any special loaders/etc before I can flash a cooked ROM?
Thanks loads! I really hope that we Epix users can finally have custom ROMs.
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EFN's tools should work pretty well..
It's up to you if you wish to use the already available dump or create your own, the latter would be especially useful if your device shipped with a newer release. To cook a ROM you also need the XIP from your device and I think the dump someone posted doesen't include this
No, you don't need to flash anything, but make sure you device can enter the BOOTLOADER mode and has a HARD RESET key combo

need help understanding some version numbers

ok so im trying to read things already posted, but there are too many posts to read and at this rate im not gonna get anything done and probably brick my (valuable) phone
so ill break it down into some simple questions that cannot possibly have a biased answer and the rest i can work out through trial and error
firstly, radio versions
i have 1.08.25.08.
many people are saying "woo hoo 1.00.25.05 is great" am i right in assuming this is an old build?
secondly the actual version number
is is as simple as the higher the number, the newer the radio? or do some of the numbers mean specific things like the 1.08.25.08 the first 08, does that mean vodafone uk (my carrier) or is it litteraly a version thing?
thirdly, which radio stacks will work (full functionality, not sort of works, or works but no 3g) on vodafone in the UK.
ok? i can try out all the radio versions that meet the third questions requisites and i can filter the versions i will try with the understanding of the first and second questions.
now, onto ROM versions.
im not so bothered about ROM's as the performance of the device seems ok to me, however, so as to remain informed i must ask.
WM 6.5, worth the upgrade? better features? i may simply look for a changelog, but has anyone tried it on the diamond, as the diamond was not built for 6.5 how does it handle the OS.
are there any rom's that come particularly recommended for their reliability, as my ideal phone would be stable, with good battery life (i know this is connected to the radio stack, but the ROM must also play some part) compatible and integrated with facebook and twitter (like on the diamond2)
also other than the ROM and the radio stack, is there anything else that needs updating? if so, please provide some info, if you must link to a wiki, please link to a relevant page, not the wiki as a whole... the idea of my asking is to save me trawling through hundreds of pages to find the 2 or 3 paragraphs i want... i am not google spider lol ( and i dont expect anyone here to be either, so im not fussed with detailed info, just an outline would be great, for any of the above points! im fairly clever, but the questions above are stumping me as im coming v late to this whole ROM issue and while the tutorials are good, im confident i could sucessfully flash my diamond, i fear i know nothing of the merits of the ROM's that the chefs are cooking.) anywho, im off to bed now, as its gone 4am and i have work at 3pm and my son will invariably wake me up around 8 so i must sleep now or forego it completely (dont you dare tempt me lol)
many thanks in advance to anyone who offers their help here.

As you have seen, there are quite few version of WM6.5 out there in the forum. from time to time, I load new releases which I think probably good enough to have a go, be frank, I havent found any WM6.5 cooked ROM suitable for me yet. most time, I find it's a bit sluggish. However, keep in mind, WM6.5 is not exactly mature yet.
For a good reliablity and performance, I woud recommend WM6.1 still. so you have to try each ROM yourself. It would create a debate here if I tell you which ROM i think best. have fun flashing!
Regarding Radio question, I think u rather post a question in the Radio thread. many ppl would be more than happy to help.