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Prepping for GPS/Rev A ...

Well, it's March and that means that the Vogue is going to get GPS and Rev A soon! What are you guys doing to prep?
I'm trying to compare GPS software, seeing which one is the best out right now, so far TomTom 6 seems to be the top dog... Does anyone have any GPS advice?

I personally like iGuidance v4. The maps for my area were more complete than TomTom, plus it actually has voice street names instead of "turn right in 1 mile". Just wish it could get traffic updates.

IGuidance 4 for 3 reasons
TTS - Text To Speech (It can read street names, TomTom cannot)
NAVTEQ maps can tell you which side of the road your destination is on (this great for at night, TomTom cannot).
IGuidance does not lock you to your phone. Hard reset, get annother phone just install the cab and your up.
TomTom does have a nice user interface but the features above are important to me.

I was looking at a bunch of gps software recently (in anticipation of the aforementioned update) and found a few notable ones. Theres a nice roundup site by this sir Dale DePriest here http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/PocketPC/wince.htm I think is worth mentioning.
From the ones I've looked at, ALK Copilot 7 and iGo 8 (search igo8 in youtube, and I do believe version 8 is a beta) look the nicest.

thanks guys, pretty nice info... I'm hearing that iGo isn't exactly the most accurate app on the planet, but iGo v8 looks very nice!

thinkoftheirony said:
I was looking at a bunch of gps software recently (in anticipation of the aforementioned update) and found a few notable ones. Theres a nice roundup site by this sir Dale DePriest here http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/PocketPC/wince.htm I think is worth mentioning.
From the ones I've looked at, ALK Copilot 7 and iGo 8 (search igo8 in youtube, and I do believe version 8 is a beta) look the nicest.
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I have CoPilot 7 because I had a Q and this was the best Smartphone GPS app out there. It has alot of nice features, but the maps weren't as current as iGuidance v4 (atleast in my area), and there's no TTS for street names (although their tech support says they are working on releasing a patch for that).
CoPilot can get live traffic updates and re-route you. You can also send a link to someone and they can watch you on a map as you drive (this uses the internet on your phone of course).

mindfrost82 said:
I have CoPilot 7 because I had a Q and this was the best Smartphone GPS app out there. It has alot of nice features, but the maps weren't as current as iGuidance v4 (atleast in my area), and there's no TTS for street names (although their tech support says they are working on releasing a patch for that).
CoPilot can get live traffic updates and re-route you. You can also send a link to someone and they can watch you on a map as you drive (this uses the internet on your phone of course).
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a little off topic here, but i'm using CoPilot Live 7 and i'd like to know how you activated Traffic updates...did you activate via the web?

I have tom tom on my touch already-just waiting. I'm also waiting for my 4GB mem card cause my current one is full with all the maps

Sorry i was out of touch (no pun intended) for a few days. Did i miss an official anouncement from sprint or HTC about the update to enable GPS ? thanks

gps/rev a update for the sprint touch isnt out yet and not for another 1-3 months
--James

storino03 said:
gps/rev a update for the sprint touch isnt out yet and not for another 1-3 months
--James
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That takes us to June, but I've also seen maybe August.

I use tomtom 6 and Navigon 6.2 right now.. as far as interface goes.. Navigon is way way nicer. If you cant wait for the GPS patch just get a bluetooth gps reciever and start trying the programs out now.

my vote goes to iGO, tomtom close second.

pls any one here knows if jas jam have gps in it or not?
i heared it has gps impeded in it but need software to activate it...is the tru? and what to do to activate it ?

My big step is to move absolutely _EVERYTHING_ I setup or install to a cab file that is installable via User Customization. I want to be prepared to have minimal down-time, when the new ROM gets pushed by Sprint/HTC.
Presumably it will include a new Radio, which will probably be most-easily installed by flashing the entire ROM from Sprint/HTC. Then, re-unlocking, loading the stock ROM into a kitchen and dropping in SDSetup so that all my stuff gets installed and configured.
... in the beginning, I'll be fine with Google Maps and/or Microsoft Search and their (presumably) built-in support for the GPS.

The ROM Update you have all been waiting for...
After getting tired of waiting for HTC to make their website work, I did some digging around, and I give you [pause for dramatic effect]....
http://216.139.227.226/alltel/RUU_V..._NV2.00_PRL30008_0331_Ship_withSpecialNBH.exe
The link on their page does not work, but I just successfully downloaded this ROM.
Remember, this is for the Alltel Touch ONLY.
Hope it helps!

Does this Alltel ROM support GPS and Rev A? Can we easily port it (or just the radio ROM) to Sprint? Thanks in advance!
MJB

I know it supports Rev A but I am not POSITIVE about its GPS functionality. I know that the update for the 6800 [released at the same time] does, and since it updated the radio as well as the ROM image, and considering HTC was planning on unlocking the GPS radio in this handset, my ASSUMPTION would be that the GPS is now active - of course, I haven't been able to get it to work yet...

Best GPS navigation software on Trinity?

Hi, All,
Can we share some experiences on the GPS navigation software used on our Trinity? I currently is using TomTom 6 originally came with the phone, but I really don't like it's graphical interface, nor the accuracies of the direction instructions. Sometimes it will tell me to turn right, then make a U-turn down the road in order to do a simple left turn. I the intersection where I'm supposed to make a left turn does allow left turn traffic. Even I updated the map, it is still giving me ambiguous directions.
What's your experience with the GPS navigation software you are using? Does anybody have the guts to claim one is superior to the others and why?
Regards,
Dinky

Navigon MobileNavigator 6 is one of the best, and has a very beautiful and easy to operate interface. You must have 20mb of ram free when you launch it.
See here: Mobile Navigator 6

Hi Dinky,
I have Nav N Go iGO My way 8. I complete change this GPS software over my TomTom. It is very fast software, easy install, intuitive control, skins, 3D landmarks, 3D city maps. I seee flyover very good first time. I have all europ maps in the 2 GB card. Maps have current date feb. 2008.
More info about iGo8 is here :iGO8

+1 iGo 8
Was running iGo 2006 Plus as it had better resolution maps and was smoother than TomTom 6.02.
iGo 8 is even better, but the Trinity doesn't have the grunt to navigate and do text-to-speech directions at the same time.

I thought Nav N Go 8 hadn't been released yet. It certainly doesn't look to have been on their website.

i have tomtom 6.03
works great on WM6.1

Nav N Go 8 is Good & works fine on my Trinity
This is the Link i got it from
iGO8 v8.0.0.31442

oVan said:
Navigon MobileNavigator 6 is one of the best, and has a very beautiful and easy to operate interface. You must have 20mb of ram free when you launch it.
See here: Mobile Navigator 6
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Hi,
was there not a problem with MN6.2 when driving in a tunnel.
I always had the problem that inside the tunnel MN6 said i've been arrived when the gps signal was lost.
Do you have a solution for that?
My favourite is also iGO8! Only disadvantage is that iGO has Teleatlas maps and no Navteq. But this is dipending on the region you live and only some streets are not actual. So it is not a big problem. With Tomtom in the past you have had both possibilities.
sole71

sole71 said:
Hi,
was there not a problem with MN6.2 when driving in a tunnel.
I always had the problem that inside the tunnel MN6 said i've been arrived when the gps signal was lost.
Do you have a solution for that?
sole71
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True... this does not happen with an external receiver, only with the gps receiver from the trinity itself. After a tunnel I just choose "Last destinations" and you're quickly on track again. That's about the only problem I have with this software, the routes are very good and the interface is very clean.

I am using Garmin Mobile XT on my WM6 Trinity.
The maps are City Navigator Europe 2008 NT (Maps dated oct 2007).
The interface is a little awkward, and the 3d view a little sluggish, also the spoken directions are a little too late for my taste. On the other hand I drive fast ;-)
The maps are very good (navteq), you can puzzle your own Europe map and load it on the MiniSD Card.
All in all its not bad, with better maps than Tomtom6

pauleley said:
Nav N Go 8 is Good & works fine on my Trinity
This is the Link i got it from
iGO8 v8.0.0.31442
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How do you get it to work? Do you change the sys.txt?
I get nothing but "out of memory" and "fatal error" once the interface has loaded.

oVan said:
I get nothing but "out of memory" and "fatal error" once the interface has loaded.
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Through schaps advanced config, put the cache file to 2MB
Your location will determine the soft
Use the one with the latest maps
I've try ViaMichelin ( Horrible ), Route66 (average ), Garmin XT ( don't like the view ), TT6 ( Efficient most of time, lot of pois, poor view ), iGO 2006+ ( nice ) and now iGO8 ( Very good )

corfou said:
Through schaps advanced config, put the cache file to 2MB
Your location will determine the soft
Use the one with the latest maps
I've try ViaMichelin ( Horrible ), Route66 (average ), Garmin XT ( don't like the view ), TT6 ( Efficient most of time, lot of pois, poor view ), iGO 2006+ ( nice ) and now iGO8 ( Very good )
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Got it partially working now, the interface is really fast...but oh so complicated. The difference with Navigon is day & night, Navigon worked together with Fraunhofer Institute to make the UI user-friendly and it shows.

Sounds like a lot people prefer iGo8, I'd like to give it a try. I travel a lot in North America including Canada. Does anyone have all iGo8 North America maps in one zip file? Thx.

iGo8 only has euro version

You may find a user feedback for different GPS softs here (in French):
http://www.gpspassion.com/forumsen/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=44960

When I start iGO 8 with 25mb free ram, it frequently fails to calculate a route of 130km. It uses a lot of memory... I'll give up now

hi
dont have any gps navigation with map full 3D of iberia? a like iGO8 grafic but I never try it...
regards

I've always used, and never found better GPS software than TT6, untill now! Igo8 is fantastic, a memory hog but works smoothly. Only (Big) problem is I cannot pick up call whilst igo is running. I changed the page mem to 2mb, but either the call is lost or igo crashes.
Any suggestions??

In Australia, I use CoPilot 7, that came with my P3600i.
Doesn't use much memory, and looks great and runs pretty snappy.
In my opinion, TomTom looks horrible - I don't know why it's become so popular.
iGo is alright, but the interface is too cluttered and as some people have said, it is definitely a memory hog.
CoPilot for me so far

Which Nav Software do you use and briefly why?

Hey all,
I've been an avid user of TomTom from V5 upwards. I currently use V7.
I only have experience with TomTom and have always stuck to it as I've had no complaints. Easy to install, easy to customise etc..etc..
I'd like to ask you to vote which you use and why.
PLEASE CAN WE JUST GIVE REASONS AS TO WHY YOU USE WHICH AND NOT START ANY ARGUEMENTS WITH ANY OTHER POST!
Keep your reasons simple and to the point.
Many thanks
Wayne
edit: If anyone has any other nav software they use, I will amend the Poll accordingly.

I have tried Tomtom 7, Navigon and iGO8.
Quickly removed both Tomtom and Navigon when I got iGO8 running. Both of them had much more noticable lag.

Im using TomTom too.... but it does have lag, does igo8 have less?

tomj333 said:
Im using TomTom too.... but it does have lag, does igo8 have less?
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MUCH less.

I'm using tomtom, well that is to say I have it on my phone as I have in car satnav, but I use it to scroll through maps etc and find the place I'm looking for prior to getting in the car.
As such I'm not really worried about the lag issue (in fact I don't think I've even used it as satnav since I've had my HD).
I did try IGO8 but I immediately installed the tomtom skin as it's what I'm used to and I like the layout of tomtom.

i' using garmin.i think it better that tomtom.way more options, but guess they all do the same at the send.

TT, even if the last version is not working perfectly on HD 'cause it wasn't designed for it, anyway it's the best and it remain the only one

sat nav
I have the Garmin in my car but atm haven’t got on my phone but I would like to put it on. Can anyone tell me if I can use the software from my car one and if so how do you put it on. Alternatively where do you get the satnav software from and is it special one just for phones.

strange no one mentions about mapking... i'm using mapking though i prefer the background of garmin. but garmin searching can be a real headache

Like the OP, TomTom. I have used several versions over several years. Very easy to use.
There is a lot of scope for personalization and custom of map colour schemes and system menu screens etc.
The supported .ov2 POI files are common and easy to install. Voice alerts area easy to create and install for all POIs including safety cameras.
Having said the above, iGo8 for example has a more comprehensive map set and impressed me when visiting the UAE. I found the display and interface unfamiliar, but I would consider prolonged use with a TomTom skin.

TomTom here as well.
Mainly so I can use my Speed Camera Database.

How poor is that.....ONLY 25.6% (roughly a quarter) of those who voted shared a comment.

If it helps I use Route 66, so I didn't even get to vote

igo is the way to go
i have a Touch HD with both TomTom and Igo8 on, i was trying to use TomTom but found it lagged and was unreliable in getting a fix( a big prob with the HD) but when i put Igo on it worked first time and every time since, and i must admit it looks much better with the topography in 3d mode, its very nice, so i WAS a TomTom fan, but now im a Igo 8 convert.

I use SYGIC (Mc Guider) 7.6 because it´s easy to handle and it works in landscape perfekt.

Ive tried CoPilot, TomTom and iGo8, and I've stuck with iGo. It seems to update the quickest, the instructions are very clear and the display is excellent.

TomTom for me.
My wife bought me a full retail TomTom package a couple of years ago including the software + their GPS device at a total cost of GBP200 (~EUR180). When I (inevitably) upgraded my phone five months later I was unable to transfer the licence to the new machine because I'd gone up a version in WM and my TomTom software wouldn't install. All of that money we'd spent on the retail version was immediately wasted, which was very annoying.
I was forced to find and use a cracked version instead of my legal and perfectly good version simply because TomTom designed their software for one specific operating system and wouldn't do anything to help me.
I have bought lots of legal software for my PC and for my PDAs (and have donated to this site) and fully support the anti-warez policy on XDA-Dev, but out of principle now I will always use a cracked version of TomTom in revenge for TomTom's policy. TomTom will never get another penny from me.

BTW, this is a useful site for downloading free POIs for most software, thought it may be useful!
http://www.poifriend.com/

CoPilot is now listed as compatible with HD:
http://www.alk.eu.com/copilot/compatibility.asp

Tried Navigon MN 7, iGo 8 and Tomtom 7...
I'm using Navigon MN7, just because it has the nicest look (maps...) when you drive...
iGo 8 is also very nice to use, unfortunately the Tele Atlas maps are not so accurate, compared to the much better NavteQ maps used by Navigon !
And Tomtom, for me, has the World ugliest display when you drive, AND the not so accurate Tele Atlas maps ! IMHO, definitely the worst navigating software you can use... ;-(

What is the best gps navigator for touch HD?

So I have always used TT6 on all my htc devices but I wont work on my touch hd. Tried to buy TT7 from tomtom.com and they told me it's not for sale in the US. I am looking for something that has directions and live traffic update that works here in the US. Any input would be great.

Here's a similar thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491958&highlight=navigation

funk1980 said:
Here's a similar thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=491958&highlight=navigation
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Thanks for the link. Alot of those users are outside of US. It sucks to have to pay another $100 for another gps software.

I really like the Garmin software. It integrates with Google Maps so you can search for POI's within Garmin (using updated POI information from Google Maps) and it pulls them into the Garmin software. I used TT6/TT7 for years until I got this.

I don't know how is is in the US, but if you want TMC, I recommend Igo8. With this navigator you can use live traffic information with TMC. (If you want more information look for TMC in this forum).
But like I said I don't know how it is in the US (I don't know if you use TMC there)

I like that. Will look for this software.
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I really like the Garmin software. It integrates with Google Maps so you can search for POI's within Garmin (using updated POI information from Google Maps) and it pulls them into the Garmin software. I used TT6/TT7 for years until I got this.
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cRaCKwHoRe said:
I really like the Garmin software. It integrates with Google Maps so you can search for POI's within Garmin (using updated POI information from Google Maps) and it pulls them into the Garmin software. I used TT6/TT7 for years until I got this.
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Are you referring to Garmin Mobile XT? I was put off that since you can't transfer it to a larger memory card. You're stuck with the one it comes on which is a tad inconvenient.

I've tried TT7, IGO8 and NDrive, of these 3, IGO8 is a hands down performer. Not only does it look nice with its 3D scenery, but the refresh rate of IGO8 graphics is way way way better than TT7.
NDrive has a good refresh rate, but unfortunately it makes navigation mistakes and offers little customization, therefore I don't feel it is really ready for prime time yet.
Garmin might be good, I haven't tried it.

But IGO 8 lags so much on the Touch HD.. especially with the 3d buildings turned on...

R4ym0nd said:
I don't know how is is in the US, but if you want TMC, I recommend Igo8. With this navigator you can use live traffic information with TMC. (If you want more information look for TMC in this forum).
But like I said I don't know how it is in the US (I don't know if you use TMC there)
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I tried to search TMC but I guess it's not enough letters... anything else I can search, or maybe you have a link?
Thanks.

AndyCr15 said:
I tried to search TMC but I guess it's not enough letters... anything else I can search, or maybe you have a link?
Thanks.
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Take a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=511838&highlight=beemer
It's still in development, but updated regularly

AndyCr15 said:
I tried to search TMC but I guess it's not enough letters... anything else I can search, or maybe you have a link?
Thanks.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=512630

I'd say, iGO is THE best choice for the touch HD. Integrates just perfectly with WVGA, allows portrait/landscape use modes and various sysfile modifications, delievers very nice graphical performance and great design - with carbon background it looks like a very expensive stand alone GPS device There are different skins for the app, too.
And it works very well with the TMC solution in this forum. It just works. A device like HD, equipped with the powerful GPS hardware deserves powerful software like iGO8.

My choice:
TT7: Very easy to use.
Garmin: Better maps (at least in Lithuania) but GUI is not good.
iGO: This software is usable. I like the way iGO draws pictures. GUI is also convinient.
So I use TT7 for day2day navigation and Garmin - if I travel to places I have never been. Because TT7 might not have the latest maps of that Area.
All of them are tested and works on my Touch HD. Unfortunately I tested not legal versions and can't tell if the legal ones works well.

WeeJockMacFeegle said:
Are you referring to Garmin Mobile XT? I was put off that since you can't transfer it to a larger memory card. You're stuck with the one it comes on which is a tad inconvenient.
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Yes, that is the software. However, you can transfer it if you know how ... meaning "hacking" / cracking / unlocking it.

Maybe the new Version of nDrive (Release Date will bei 23rd May 09) makes a big step forward. Haven't seen any Screenshots yet but hopefully it#ll get even better than it is. Plus: It's the cheapest professional Navi-Software i know.

I use Navigon, until now it's the only one (that i have) that worked great and doesn't have a lag. Navigon works nice on the Touch HD!

Navigon doesn't even start up on my touch.. At least the official version, downloaded from the navigon website doesn't.

I use these; navigon,sygic,iGO8,tomtom7
all with latest western europe map
i like tomtom7 the most because i can hook it up to tomtomhome2 and use mapshare also iGO8 is handy with the tmc working now but i cant get it to work in portraitmode yet

Co Pilot V8 in UK on TP2

Has anyone used Co Pilot V8 on a WM6.5 TP2
Can anyone recommend it or something else for my TP2. I don't want to use Data roaming GPS (i.e. Google maps).
Frustratingly I have TomTom Navigator 5 on an old Ipaq 2110 and it works well, but I can't install on my TP2 (unless someone has a workaround to install it?)
Thanks
Rob

robolots said:
Has anyone used Co Pilot V8 on a WM6.5 TP2
Can anyone recommend it or something else for my TP2. I don't want to use Data roaming GPS (i.e. Google maps).
Frustratingly I have TomTom Navigator 5 on an old Ipaq 2110 and it works well, but I can't install on my TP2 (unless someone has a workaround to install it?)
Thanks
Rob
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Search for the latest version of TomTom for the Rhodium. The one I use is ttn7.916.9189__black.cab. It is free to use the program, but not the maps. For that you and Google should become friends. The maps from your older version will not work with the new one.

But wont using Google Maps mean using data?
Annoying that I have Tom Tom 5 but can't install it on TP2 when I have paid for the software/updates etc! I can't really see why they couldn't of allowed this to be installed on newer mobile devices.
I want a solution whereby I have the maps installed on my SD card so that I don't need data and just use GPS-Co pilot seemed a good price compared to others, but I am not going to buy it if it is Cr*p!

I've been using Co Pilot V8 since last October having previously used ttn7.916.9189__black.cab with purchased maps for a year.
I find Co Pilot generally easier to use with clearer maps and simple finger friendly menus. I can also get maps for the US (I travel a couple there every now and then) which are not available with TT. Co Pilot has also been updated (including maps) since I had it - something that never happened with TT. Co Pilot also includes free speed camera POIs which get updated every couple of months.
Co Pilot seems to use a bit less battery than TT.
There are, though, some annoyances with Co Pilot. There is no on screen qwerty keyboard - only abc (not a big issue for TP2 owners). There is no auto volume control (quite annoying). You can only display two 'parameters' on the map at a time e.g. ETA and speed or speed and Distance etc. With TT you can have many more (though they are small and difficult to read at a glance).
Overall I am pleased with Co Pilot. If you have a UK TP2 it should have a trial version of Co Pilot 7 on the official ROM. It will give you some idea of what Co Pilot is like - there are not so many changes in V8.

I've been using CoPilot Live 8 on my Tilt2 (AT&T US version of TP2) for over a year now. Works brilliantly, and there are monthly map updates (at least on this side of the pond).

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cajunflavoredbob said:
Search for the latest version of TomTom for the Rhodium. The one I use is ttn7.916.9189__black.cab. It is free to use the program, but not the maps. For that you and Google should become friends. The maps from your older version will not work with the new one.
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Thats amazing

gsx600f said:
I've been using Co Pilot V8 since last October having previously used ttn7.916.9189__black.cab with purchased maps for a year.
I find Co Pilot generally easier to use with clearer maps and simple finger friendly menus. I can also get maps for the US (I travel a couple there every now and then) which are not available with TT. Co Pilot has also been updated (including maps) since I had it - something that never happened with TT. Co Pilot also includes free speed camera POIs which get updated every couple of months.
Co Pilot seems to use a bit less battery than TT.
There are, though, some annoyances with Co Pilot. There is no on screen qwerty keyboard - only abc (not a big issue for TP2 owners). There is no auto volume control (quite annoying). You can only display two 'parameters' on the map at a time e.g. ETA and speed or speed and Distance etc. With TT you can have many more (though they are small and difficult to read at a glance).
Overall I am pleased with Co Pilot. If you have a UK TP2 it should have a trial version of Co Pilot 7 on the official ROM. It will give you some idea of what Co Pilot is like - there are not so many changes in V8.
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Thanks, will give it a go, I have got Co Pilot 8 trial on wm6.5 so will give it a go?

robolots said:
Has anyone used Co Pilot V8 on a WM6.5 TP2
Can anyone recommend it or something else for my TP2. I don't want to use Data roaming GPS (i.e. Google maps).
Frustratingly I have TomTom Navigator 5 on an old Ipaq 2110 and it works well, but I can't install on my TP2 (unless someone has a workaround to install it?)
Thanks
Rob
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Hi robolots
Yes, I have used Co-Pilot on WM6.5 TP2. I found that it worked well. I thought that it was good value for money.
Many thanks
andrew-in-woking