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Theory on next ROM releases

I have a small theory as to when the next ROM updates are going to ship.
Well since the Universal is running the WM 2005 and the SP2 for Exchange already shipped, all we are missing for the push feature is the MSFP (Messaging & Security Feature Pack). SO the OEMs are dying to win corporate users to use the universal or magician, since also the fact that Blackberry might have to stop selling in the US...
Taking all that into account I would expect that iMATE & O2 are going to wait with the release to incorporate the MSFP into the ROM. T-Mobile might also this time join since they are dying to get as much bussiness customers as possible. Here in holland the MDA PRO was available to Businesss customers 2 and a half weeks before they started selling it to consumers. I can verify that because I work as an ICT manager and I was contacted by T-Mobile rep who wanted to come and deliver me the MDA PRO the next day if I agree to take a subscription. I have refused that since we use KPN and UMTS and t-mobile has no UMTS yet. But knowing t-mobile maybe they still are going to let the chance go.
Also this is the reason the QTEK has not released their device at least here in the NL you can not get it yet it is expected in the end of November. the Qtek 9100 (magician) is already in the shops but that device is meant for consumer market. the QTEK 9000 is the business device and I think (maybe I am wrong) it will ship already with the MSFP in it. As I remember reading Microsoft should release the MSFP in the first half of November...
PLease feel free to comment critisize etc. But keep in mind this is just a theory...I might have some facts wrong!

Oh Yea I forgot Orange which is also not yet released at least here in the NL

My theory has just received a blow...
I have just seen two online stores in NL claiming to have the QTEK 9000 in stock. Although on the www.qtek.nl the device is only mentioned that it exist and further no aditional info. And this coming from the site which was the first one to post the 3D anymation of the QTEK 9100.
I have to look into this first thing monday, if they realy have them in stock.
P.S. For those interrested the two stores are:
www.smartphonestunts.nl & www.smartphoneshop.nl

I believe that all operators are waiting for MS to supply the update before they can mess it up a little then distribute it.
And it could also be that MS are holding off the release until the security pack and activesync issues are resolved.

Yea the Operators are real stupid, I mean there is ready device software why stick your own crap in there.
About the MSFP: On the dutch Pocket PC site www.pocketinfo.nl there is an offer to buy the KJAM plus a year sunscription including the push functionality. In small letters they write that for the real push functionality you have to wait for the MSFP to be released untill then the users are more then welcome to sync on schedule.
Anyhow I hope the MSFP is real close since this offer has just appeared now so I guess they know more then we do.

actually i'm thinking that the new ROMs are o their way because MS has done their homework (you cannot release only half of the package) so it's up to the HTC to finish the ROM then up to the carriers to provide it to us.

I'm afraid MS HAS done half the job, again.
MSFP is RTM as of the 4th Nov, according to my contact.
Question is, how long will it take the likes of Orange to incorporate it? Blummin long time I reckon.
F.

Is there anyone with an MSDN license ?? I beleive you could get it there

Nope, it's not on MSDN Sub Downloads.
It's got to be integrated with the providers' software (ROMs) so they only supply it to the providers. With the exception of those who were on the Windows Mobile Beta program, but if you stuck a copy of (I thinkk it's called Crossbow, the next version) on your machine most features wouldn't work I suspect!
We're at the mercy of buttholes like Orange.
F.

Well that sounds really disturbing. what if I want to deploy the feature enterprise wide. I mean I am myself an ICT Manager but our company is too small to pull a muscle but large multinationals are then also at the mercy of the operators or shall I say buttholes?

Aye, it seems that way.
Problem is, I can't get any decent info from MS about it, and Orange say that there's nobody to ask there - even the data guys, who apparently "have access to almost every system in the company", are not told about ROM updates until they're on the website!
We'll have to wait and see. As I say, I believe the MSFP went RTM last week so it might not be tooo long...
For the record, I'm an Exchange consultant and so have a vested interest in this damn push-email thing.
F.

Bad news guys ... i hope that i'm wrong.
From the Microsoft Launch of VS2005 today in Milano seems that the new features will be available only from 2006 , meaning that we can only hope for ROM updates without the security and exchange improvements.ùù
As an additional info ... the italian Jasjar is real, brought by TIM. It has the italian ROM version.

We are all waiting for this ROM for the JASJAR & belive me I am checking the site of imate three times daily!

O2 Software Update coming ?

Anyone know anything about the O2 software/firmware update for the Orbit, what it might contain and prospective date ?
Any wild speculation will do

how do you know that there is a new firmware coming out?
Will O2 release a firmware or is it being made by someone?

I have written a email to o2 UK and o2 germany.
Their answer (o2 UK):
" ... Thank you for your email.
Unfortunately we don’t currently have any timescales for the Xda Orbit with regards the ROM, we are usually informed approximately 1 month prior to the release of a new ROM update however we have no information as yet. I can only apologise for this and suggest you periodically view our website at www.o2.co.uk/xda for further information related to this, as this website will hold the ROM once it is available...."

found this today:
http://www.o2online.de/nw/support/downloads/software/xda/xdaneo/index.html

O2 update
I think you'll find that's for the prophet!!

I've just come off the phone to O2 in the UK (Business support), and the told me:
They are hoping to get the WM6 update out in early summer - June/July.
BUT.....
This will be for new devices only, so you may need to buy a new handset - (urrently) They may issue a update, but they might also make us pay for it.
So, come on guys - get hitting the O2 XDA support site, and request the WM6 update!

Well, if they will issue an update, it shouldn't take long for it be shared on the net

German Version Available
Looks like the german release is available - does anyone know if we are any closer to seeing an english version.
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6380.html

This is my reply from O2 regarding this, I can also raise the request with their customer relations department as well if required - I'm currently battling to get them to reduce their data pricing and having some success but thats another issue.
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Good afternoon Gavin,
Thank you for your email.
We are currently in the process of testing the Windows Mobile 6 upgrade
on the Xda Orbit. We currently have an extensive testing process that
is in process to ensure the Windows Mobile 6 works without any major
flaw, this is to also ensure the customer experience is far better.
Unfortunately as yet we do not have any timescales for the release
however I shall keep details of your email address and as soon as this
is made available I shall notify you.
If you have any further problems, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kind Regards
(NAME REMOVED AVAILABLE ON REQUEST)
O2-UK
Customer Technical Support
Windows Mobile Training Specialist 2007
For information on O2-UK products and services please visit www.o2.co.uk

Sounds like good news?
I received this response from O2 UK Yesterday.
Thank you for your email.
We are currently working on releasing a new ROM update for the Xda Orbit, this will include Windows Mobile 6 rather than Windows Mobile 5 which the device is setup to use at the moment, this is in testing stages and as yet we are unaware of when this will be made available.
Unfortunately we do not currently have any timescales for the release of Windows Mobile 6 as stated this is currently going through testing and until the testing has been done to a satisfactory outcome we shall not know when the release will be available.
If you have any further problems, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kind Regards
(Name Withheld)
O2-UK

Bull. The phrasing isn't that of O2 customer services.

Hi,
I installed the WM6 ROM, which is provided by O2 Germany. I encountered no problems during the installation and Tomtom is working without any further registration. Now I will install my standard software like spb shell, ozi-explorer and gps-dash. Til now, WM6 seems to be a step ahead .
Kind regards,
hqqh

Has anyone successfully put the O2 german rom onto the Orbit shipped by O2 Uk?
Good/Bad/Wait for the UK release?

hqqh said:
Hi,
I installed the WM6 ROM, which is provided by O2 Germany. I encountered no problems during the installation and Tomtom is working without any further registration. Now I will install my standard software like spb shell, ozi-explorer and gps-dash. Til now, WM6 seems to be a step ahead .
Kind regards,
hqqh
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Can you select English menus or is the phone now only in German?

Bepe had made a World Wide English WM6 ROM from the origional German ROM that has been released. I have successfully flashed this ROM onto my CID LOCKED UK XDA Orbit thanks to Prof's USPL tool.
Look in the Artemis Windows Mobile 6 forum. There are loads of threads on it in there.

I sent a mail to O2 Support about a query I had and also asked avout the ROM Upgrade !!! Here's the reply I got yesterday...
Good afternoon,
Thank you for your email.
We do not currently have a ROM that is available to download for the Xda Orbit and Blackberry will not work with the Xda Orbit as yet until a release of Blackberry software is made available (Please note: We are not aware if or when Blackberry software will be released for the Xda Orbit).
In regards WM6 we are currently in the process of testing this version on the Xda Orbit and until we have completed all testing we will not be making it available to our customers, as yet we have no exact timescales however we are expecting the release to be made available before the end of summer.
If you have any further problems, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kind Regards
******
O2-UK
Customer Technical Support
Windows Mobile Training Specialist 2007
For information on O2-UK products and services please visit www.o2.co.uk

S620 WM6?

Anyone heard anything more about the WM6 upgrades for the S620 that HTC was supposed to put out in the May/June timeframe? There's not much time left in that "frame" - was hoping to hear something by now. I'd prefer to not have to mess with trying to put the TMo ROM on there.

nop there has been no news at all keep checking this page:
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/software/

It's pretty much July. I'm expecting an update to come out yesterday.

Any other source, other than the website where we could have any more information?

Download link for T-Mobile's WM6 is here:
http://t-mobile.com/wmupgrade/
Comes with some fandango, and more t-mobile... (well, you tell me, i don't know how the HTC wm6 compares)
you can use my number:
2 m 0 r 5 a 5 e 2 r 9 y 7 c 9 e 4 o 0 s

Is it locked to T-mobile?

HTC eClub
Anybody joined the HTC eClub?
I think they are gonna distribute the WM6 that way, since I can't register my Dash there I can't confirm. Can someone with a S620 sign up and see if the update is available now?

htc club
Hi i have joined the club, as i have a HTC s620. There have been no updates as of yet. I will be checking the site most days, so as soon as i hear anything i will post here

No updates other than some audio driver. This is really getting annoying.

Does anyone know if the VoIP feature will be included with this HTC release? (I'm talking about internet calling if nobody knows what I'm talking about.)

September!!!!!!
Below is an email I just got from HTC:
The Windows Mobile 6 update will roll out from June. The provisional date for the S620 is believed to be in September. We have no more accurate information than that and as it is a provisional schedule, it is possible that if any last minute problems are encountered in the final testing phase, it may be delayed.
Thank You for your enquiry. Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html
Kind regards
Khushal Hirani
HTC Europe Support
[email protected]
http://www.HTC.com

BBAdmin said:
No updates other than some audio driver. This is really getting annoying.
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It's getting worse now... I just called them again to complain, and they said that the june timeframe reffered to 'information on the upgrade to WM6' and not the upgrade itself... They told me that they expect the update now mid-september....

wmeter said:
It's getting worse now... I just called them again to complain, and they said that the june timeframe reffered to 'information on the upgrade to WM6' and not the upgrade itself... They told me that they expect the update now mid-september....
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yeh i know thats why september is in bold in the email above.

Too bad there is no real competition on the market. Otherwise I would switch now. This is pissing the customer in the face.
I really love my S620 it's great hardware but not sure if I can hold out with WM5 too much longer.

S620 upgrade WM6
I called their support line on Tuesday (July 3) and the gentleman on the phone told me to expect the WM6 update around late July. I don't think they know for sure.
If I knew how to clean a rom of all that T-Mobile garbage I'd upgrade to WM6 using the T-Mobile rom.

So, just to amuse myself (and possibly others), I called HTC's hotline again, asking when WM6 comes out for the S620. The gentleman on the phone read me the email that was sent out to the phone support folks about WM6, and it went a little something like this:
"WM6 is a big OS upgrade, and all new HTC devices are using WM6, so basically HTC is tailoring the WM6 upgrades for each of their devices that support the upgrade. The Sprint MDA upgrade for WM6 came out 2 days, however, HTC will be releasing the WM6 upgrade for the S620 at the end of July, but no later than the middle of August."
<sarcasm>
In summary, HTC is aware of our concerns and doesn't contradict themselves.
</sarcasm>

Tell them T-mobile already has released WM6 and since the device is actually made by HTC its absolutely ridiculous that T-mobile can tailor the device quicker than HTC can.
The Cavalier is out this month so I can see alot of people ebaying their S620 and going for the much more powerful S630, probably what HTC are hoping anyway and why they are delaying the update. Furthermore they probably didn't sell as many of the Vox as they would have liked because people realised that the Excalibur/Caviliar form factor is so much nicer.

indiekiduk said:
Tell them T-mobile already has released WM6 and since the device is actually made by HTC its absolutely ridiculous that T-mobile can tailor the device quicker than HTC can.
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Yes but the T-Mobile WM6 ROM is crap.
I have it on my Dash. It is full of bugs and memory leaks. I am waiting to HTC to release the S620 WM6 ROM, then I'm going to buy an S620 and ditch my Dash.
Give them time to get it right and not hastily release a buggy ROM.

This is very disappointing. I hope this is not the case with all the said upgrades.

htc is delaying it for 1 reason because they what people to get fed up and by a new phone with wm6 built in. EXAMPLE: htc x7500 which has wm5 and htc x7501 has wm6. now you can already buy the x7501 at CompUSA for $899 just check if you dont believe me. but wm6 upgrade for x7500 won't be out untill september, makes no sense to me

O2 (UK) Orbit Update WM6, Any News??

June is about to end and nothing on O2 web site about the new ROM. Any news / updates available for XDA Orbit?

yeah!!!, gotta email them and tell them not to be lazy anymore.
at least release the factory rom for o2 uk, then my phone can be back to life!!

My update from O2...
I emailed O2 with this exact question....(When will WM6 be available for download)
They called me a day later saying that they intend to release WM6 for the Orbit at the end of summer (around end of August sometime). That was exactly what they told me.............
I guess it's just a bit more of a waiting game then..........so annoying when version 6 has been around for a while already.....

SAppie said:
They called me a day later saying that they intend to release WM6 for the Orbit at the end of summer (around end of August sometime).
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Did they give any indication whether it will be a free upgrade or if they will be charging for it?

Philip said:
Did they give any indication whether it will be a free upgrade or if they will be charging for it?
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as far as im aware, it is a free upgrade.
and im also sure that the licences from microsoft are for a free upgrade too.

subdude said:
yeah!!!, gotta email them and tell them not to be lazy anymore.
at least release the factory rom for o2 uk, then my phone can be back to life!!
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dude, just send it back for repair.. will take a week and cost you nothing!

what they on about
..just spoken to O2 Business as I currently have an account with several orbits....they claimed to know nothing about an update at all.
Truth?

Hi, just recieved answer from O2 :
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"Good Afternoon Mike,
Thank you for your email.
Unfortunately we do not have any available ROM’s for the Xda Orbit that can be downloaded or sent via the post. Our next ROM ‘Windows Mobile 6’ that is currently being tested will be made available from our website when it is released, we do not however have any timescales for this release although it is expected by the end of summer.
I shall keep your email and as soon as we have further information we shall notify you by reply, the file however will be available from the website link below:
Link: www.o2.co.uk/xda.
If you have any further problems, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kind Regards
**********
O2-UK
Customer Technical Support
Windows Mobile Training Specialist 2007
For information on O2-UK products and services please visit www.o2.co.uk"
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leez said:
Hi, just recieved answer from O2 :
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"Good Afternoon Mike,
Thank you for your email.
Unfortunately we do not have any available ROM’s for the Xda Orbit that can be downloaded or sent via the post. Our next ROM ‘Windows Mobile 6’ that is currently being tested will be made available from our website when it is released, we do not however have any timescales for this release although it is expected by the end of summer.
I shall keep your email and as soon as we have further information we shall notify you by reply, the file however will be available from the website link below:
Link: www.o2.co.uk/xda.
If you have any further problems, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Kind Regards
***********
O2-UK
Customer Technical Support
Windows Mobile Training Specialist 2007
For information on O2-UK products and services please visit www.o2.co.uk"
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if i was you, i would remove his name from your post, as you are posting his name without his consent. im sure he wouldnt mind, but just to be on the safe side, id star it out...

, posted to quick, didn't saw that. Anyway thanks for your advice.

Rubbish O2
I'm getting annoyed with O2, they are taking our money away and doing nothing back. Orbit is such a lovely phone and the only reason they do not release the wm6 update is to buy a new xda. Buggers.

iced_nardo said:
I'm getting annoyed with O2, they are taking our money away and doing nothing back. Orbit is such a lovely phone and the only reason they do not release the wm6 update is to buy a new xda. Buggers.
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Erm, there is an O2 WM6 update...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=437499
Has been around for at least 9 months to a year now....
By the way - every single ROM in this forum you've posted contains WM6.1, even newer than 6. Take a look around before ranting...

WM6.5 official upgrade

Hi,
I thought I read somewhere HTC would release this upgrade for the tp2 today? Does anyone know if this is the case, and where to get it? I could not find anything on HTC's site re WM6.5.
Thanks.

Noone knows a thing. Everyone expects the release to be tomorrow. But since some providers are already releasing it today, who knows?
There isn't any hard evidence to say when it's going to come out.

This is on Microsoft's site, hope it makes things clearer
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/meet/wm65-upgrade.mspx

Wot? No Diamond2 on the list?? Ouch!

Mesquire said:
Wot? No Diamond2 on the list?? Ouch!
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Over the next few months, our partners may release updates to some of their Windows Mobile 6.1 phones. As the updates become available, we’ll add links here that will guide you to the installation instructions on the web site of your mobile operator or manufacturer. If you don’t see your phone in the list below, check back soon—we’ll be updating this page frequently.
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This clarify some things...

I asked htc tech support the 6.5 question. They responded in minutes. That's a response speed I certainly did not expect! Very good, though I'm sure they are fed up answering the same question...
They've advised they are currently dealing with the license packges from microsoft (whatever that means), but no release date was mentioned. Doesn't sound far away though.

Hi,
I have downloaded on HTC Support site an update for my TP2 from Orange.
The file is named RUU_Rhodium_Orange_FR-B2B_1.19.73.5_Radio_Rhodium_3.45.25.14_Signed_Ship.exe dating October 1st 2009....
Can anyone tell me if it's WM 6.5 ? Or just an update of my 1.19.73.3 (51489) WM6.1 ?
Thanks
EDIT : Stupid question after reading at Microsoft that the WM 6.5 availability date is not yet known....
Sorry

The release date for TP2 is Thursday this week.

nukleuzN said:
The release date for TP2 is Thursday this week.
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Proof please.

Not possible. I know the Sales Representative for WM Norway. He told me. I have known the release dates for a quite long time now.

This is a message on HTC's website:
If you have a phone from Orange or another provider though HTC won't be providing the update (not too sure I have much faith in Orange to provide an update).
http://www.htc.com/europe/press.aspx?id=112024&lang=1033
Availability
The HTC Touch2, Touch Diamond2 and Touch Pro2 with Windows Mobile 6.5 are available through selected operators across Europe now and will be rolling out to other regions in the coming months. The new HTC HD2 will be available soon with selected operators across Europe, before rolling out to other regions.
Notes to Editors
Customers with an original HTC Touch Diamond2 or Touch Pro2 will be able to update their phone via a new ROM which will be available from HTC’s website in the coming weeks at www.htc.com.

nukleuzN said:
Not possible. I know the Sales Representative for WM Norway. He told me. I have known the release dates for a quite long time now.
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Sales reps know nothing. Seriously.

nukleuzN said:
Not possible. I know the Sales Representative for WM Norway. He told me. I have known the release dates for a quite long time now.
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lol well find out soon enough if right.

Well answer on Microsoft site has still not changed..
Last updated October 6, 2009
Phone Manufacturer Expected availability*
Dash 3G HTC Date not yet available
Jack Samsung Date not yet available
Epix Samsung Date not yet available
Omnia 2 Samsung Date not yet available
Ozone HTC Date not yet available
Snap HTC Date not yet available
Touch Pro 2 HTC Date not yet available
Traveler 137 Pharos Date not yet available
* Dates provided by our partners and are subject to change. Update availability not guaranteed.

Check this out.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/meet/wm65-upgrade.mspx
I just received it via email.
/\oops the person above me got it too. /\

Did anyone else wake up this morning to a 6.5 update?
No really, I woke this morning and slapped my TP2 to shut off my alarm to be alarmed myself, I had a Windows Update telling me to upgrade to Windows Mobile 6.5. I pretty much crapped myself at that point, it started off and gave my the orange installation screen, than after a minute or two it gave me an installation failed message.
After that I frantically tried running Windows Update but the connection timed out continuously. Just wondering if I am the only to receive this?
If this happens tomorrow I promise pictures, but was this an isolated incident? Or did everyone else get this via Microsoft?
As much as I want 6.5, I'm in no rush, the internet is on fire with "6.5 sucks" stories. I personally just want TouchFlo3D 2.5, that twitter integration is calling my name.
/firstpost

HTC sure plays spoil sport - with expectations.
(i know they never told they will release the update on 6th, but when a date was announced by microsoft the two companies should have worked together to release the updates for every phone in their list. This is so not good for their PR).
I really dont see how microsoft expects to win the mobile phone war. By the time they come out with WinMO 7, they will again be miles behind, if all they could manage was a shoddy job at winmo 6.5 which apparently has nothing great to talk about - except IE - and who uses it anyway!)
I stuck to winmo all these years, as 5 years ago it was a good business phone and it also supported bberry.
This year i finally split and bought a bberry as there was no update for TP2 coming for months. - again, its a function of marketing - keep customers happy. I know there has never been a promise by htc on integrating bberry software on winmo, yet, after a point, people start expecting.
Somehow these giants just dont get it when it comes to customer service and marketing. Microsoft has definitely lost a customer the day i split and bought a second phone which is a pure bberry. The next upgrade, i will skip winmo entirely and look at the offerings from android and webos...
live long and prosper microsoft - if u can!....

T-Mobile Germany released the update today:
http://www.t-mobile.de/shop/handy/0,4855,2963-_16608-0-8949;CNC-4,00.html

Yes, i've found it too. After uownloading and unpacking i got a file named "RUU_Rhodium_S_TMO_DE_1.85.111.1_Radio_Rhodium_4.49.25.05_Signed_Ship.exe". With 7zip i've seen, the date of the NBH is 17th of September, don't know which version they used.
But i don't want to have this (i guess) buggy and extremly branded system on my device. I'll wait for an unbranded HTC-release or one from O2(DE), these are nearly unchanged too.

mcfish said:
I'll wait for an unbranded HTC-release or one from O2(DE), these are nearly unchanged too.
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is it possible to install òne of these roms on a vario V without any problems?