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Using GPRS and Phone at the same time (O2 IIs)

I've had all three HTC products and really love the IIs. I also have a T-Mobile branded IPAQ 6315. On the IPAQ, I'm able to use GPRS to surf the net, and at the same time I can place calls, which is really helpful because I can view the screen while surfing and have the speaker-phone on so I can talk and look at the screen at the same time.
When using the IIs, I'm only able to use one at a time, or so it seems. Does the IIs have the capability of using both at the same time like the IPAQ? The IIs I bought has never been locked and was purchased new.
Thanks for your help, I live in the States.

Good question...
Any answer...
Come on we can't let HP beat us on this!

Hi,
well, this kind of feature will most likely never be available to an XDAIIs/MDAIII. What determines whether that is possible is the class of GSM chip being used. The iPAQ 6315 appears to be using a Class A chip, whereas the XDAIIs/MDAIII seems to have a Class B chip (http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml).
Treo

It only works after the page is finished loading.

Is your HP a CDMA version orGSM?
On GSM, you can't do GPRS and Voice at the same time - GPRS is suspended. Technology limitation.
UMTS you can, and I think CDMA2000

Anonymous said:
Is your HP a CDMA version orGSM?
On GSM, you can't do GPRS and Voice at the same time - GPRS is suspended. Technology limitation.
UMTS you can, and I think CDMA2000
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As said above: http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml. You can with Class A.

On my motorola phones the phone rings and the gprs stops. On the pda2k it just merrily keeps working and the phonecall goes to voicemail.

This is something I'd actually like to turn off as I prefer being interrupted if someone is trying to get hold of me.
Anyone know how its done?

jacoch said:
Anonymous said:
Is your HP a CDMA version orGSM?
On GSM, you can't do GPRS and Voice at the same time - GPRS is suspended. Technology limitation.
UMTS you can, and I think CDMA2000
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As said above: http://www.gsmworld.com/technology/gprs/class.shtml. You can with Class A.
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Very clever - this is a TECHNICAL SPECIFICATION.
Can you name ONE device that is GPRS Class A?
For the other user - GPRS has been setup by most operators to be a secondary service, or in other words, a GSM call should go through. The only time this won't happen is if you are intensely receiving data for >2s, eg like during a mail sync or ftp download, where the GPRS modem is going flat out

it doesn't work
I used to use it with t-mobile on the 6315, and costumer service told me that it will never work, hardware limitations!
In fact every time i was online, I will miss calls and the will go to voicemail, not even ring!
I was hoping for it too!

:evil: :evil: :evil: I am looking for the same answer as well. Is there a settings on the IIs so that I could either take the call or deny the call while I am on GRPS session?
With the SE P910i it will do that with some tweeking on the connection name that may be specific to my operator (FIDO).
I used the following connection name on the P910i everything works perfectly afterwards:
<account name>
However, the PocketPC OS do not like <> characters in the connection name.

Southern_Man said:
Can you name ONE device that is GPRS Class A?
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Sony Ericsson P900 (my previous phone)
If you put GPRS/GSM on auto it quite happily let you do both at once. Occasionaly it warned you that outgoing phonecalls would suspend GPRS and likewise it dropped them on incoming calls, but 95% of the time I could surf+talk at the same time :-(

Softbank: Access Internet *99# not working with WM6?

I am using a O2 Trion in Japan with a Softbank SIMCard. Just flashed a WM6 ROM and found that the Access Internet connection via *99# does not work anymore. Anybody has experienced this?
Thanx.

chainbolt said:
I am using a O2 Trion in Japan with a Softbank SIMCard. Just flashed a WM6 ROM and found that the Access Internet connection via *99# does not work anymore. Anybody has experienced this?
Thanx.
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yeah, it's much better now; go to internet sharing and select USB then activate; it automatically connects, and what's more, your computer recognised the Hermes like it's a LAN card so you just go straight ahead and browse.

Olipro said:
yeah, it's much better now; go to internet sharing and select USB then activate; it automatically connects, and what's more, your computer recognised the Hermes like it's a LAN card so you just go straight ahead and browse.
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Sorry, I think I was not clear enough with my problem. The GPRS connection does not work anymore. It does not connect, respectively the connection is terminated after a second with the message "the remote party has ended this connection". That never happened with WM5.

chainbolt said:
Sorry, I think I was not clear enough with my problem. The GPRS connection does not work anymore. It does not connect, respectively the connection is terminated after a second with the message "the remote party has ended this connection". That never happened with WM5.
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do a soft reset, see if it comes back.

Olipro said:
do a soft reset, see if it comes back.
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I am trying since half a day. Re-flashed twice. Even called Softbank. No way. It's strange: All other functions work like charm. I am using XDA Live v0.20

Could you please describe exactly how you are trying to access the internet. In WM6 yo do NOT use *99#. I am not sure, but from what you are saying I get the feeling that you are still uing this method.
chainbolt said:
I am trying since half a day. Re-flashed twice. Even called Softbank. No way. It's strange: All other functions work like charm. I am using XDA Live v0.20
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nispen said:
Could you please describe exactly how you are trying to access the internet. In WM6 yo do NOT use *99#. I am not sure, but from what you are saying I get the feeling that you are still uing this method.
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Yes, indeed, maybe this is my mistake. I have a Softbank simcard, but I am neither using their X0HT nor their Japanese ROM. Until now I used "Site Direct".
As this seems not availbale anymore from 1 April for non-Softbank ROM user, I thought I can use the "Access Internet" service via *99# instead. Is there any other way?

You dont need to dial up. You simply get the operators APN (access point) and any required username and password and create a new Cellular Line (GPRS, 3G) connection.

unwired4 said:
You dont need to dial up. You simply get the operators APN (access point) and any required username and password and create a new Cellular Line (GPRS, 3G) connection.
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"*99#" is NOT the dial up service. It's the GPRS connection to access their "Access Internet" service:
Access point: *99#
Username: [email protected]
Password: softbank
That is the way I have been using WM5 since more than half a year. And this does not work with WM6. It works, but the connection is interrupted after a second.
They of course also offer a dial up service, but that's a different set up.

Aparently SOFTBANK are very choosy about their accesspoint. Their gateway checks the user agent. Do a search on here for softbank GPRS access.

unwired4 said:
Aparently SOFTBANK are very choosy about their accesspoint. Their gateway checks the user agent. Do a search on here for softbank GPRS access.
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will do so at the double.

chainbolt said:
will do so at the double.
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with a negative result.

Getting confused.
If you want to browse or send e-mail FROM the phone itself you do not need to enter *99# etc, only the APN address. You enter the *99# ON YOUR LAPTOP, if you are using the phone as a modem.
What exactly is the problem? Can you not browse the net on the phone itself (if you use PIE, can you surf the net)? Or can you not access the net from your laptop using the phone as a modem? I understood the latter to be the case.
If you CAN surf on the phone itself, but NOT on your latop using the phone as a modem, then the solution SHOULD be simple. In WM6 the function where the phone acts as a modem (DUN) no longer exists. So exit *99# crap. Forget it. If you try to use that, it wont work.
Instead, do the following. In programs, start INTERNET SHARING. Set the connection to USB. Then click connect. The phone should now connect to the internet. Next plug in your USB cable into the laptop. The laptop should now recognize a new network card (a Windows Mobile Internet Sharing Device) and use it to access the net. No more *99#.
It should work. I am posting this using my phone as a Windows Mobile Internet Sharing Device (yep) right now.
chainbolt said:
Yes, indeed, maybe this is my mistake. I have a Softbank simcard, but I am neither using their X0HT nor their Japanese ROM. Until now I used "Site Direct".
As this seems not availbale anymore from 1 April for non-Softbank ROM user, I thought I can use the "Access Internet" service via *99# instead. Is there any other way?
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nispen said:
If you want to browse or send e-mail FROM the phone itself you do not need to enter *99# etc, only the APN address.
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According to my carrier *99# is the APN, that's the problme I am trying to describe.
http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/en/service/data/communication/sb3g_v8/index.html
And it always worked this way with WM5.

Sorry man, can't help.
Weird APN name. Usually that *99# string (and all kinds of variants like *99*1#) is a "phone number" you enter when using the phone as a modem, not the name of an APN. Hence my confusion.
I did stumble across some threads on accessing Softbank --- one of them was called how to access SOftbank without cooking a ROM. Have you seen those?
Anyway, good luck.
chainbolt said:
According to my carrier *99# is the APN, that's the problme I am trying to describe.
http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/en/service/data/communication/sb3g_v8/index.html
And it always worked this way with WM5.
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I'm having this same problem with my TomTom 910. It can't establish and internet connection, but can connect to my handset.

Are you on Softbank too?
Have you tried deleting all connection info, doing a soft reset, recreating your connection, doing a soft reset?
I remember that my phone refused to connect to the net once, and when I checked my connection settings (APN etc) all was OK. Yet it refused to connect, no mail, no browsing, nothing. Whenever the phone tried to go online I refused some kind of error message that the connection was closed or dropped or whatever. In the end, I just went in to Start - Settings - Connections, deleted the connection, did a soft reset and then recreated the connection. I entered the exact same APN as before but his time, mysteriously, the phone could establish connection again.
trapper said:
I'm having this same problem with my TomTom 910. It can't establish and internet connection, but can connect to my handset.
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this worked for me on my treo 750v
Access point: softbank
Username: [email protected]
Password: softbank
i can surf the web via PIE, download emails via pocket outlook, sync avantgo content using these settings connecting to SB's GPRS APN.
What i have not figured out is how to send outgoing mails via pocket look using the above connection. I seem to get a returned mail all the time. Driving me nuts.

chainbolt said:
According to my carrier *99# is the APN, that's the problme I am trying to describe.
http://mb.softbank.jp/mb/en/service/data/communication/sb3g_v8/index.html
And it always worked this way with WM5.
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The link above is for softbank mobile communications which is using your phone as a modem for a PC or other device. Not for browsing from the phone. There is a whole thread on this form for how to setup your device post 1 April when they changed the access point password.

chainbolt said:
Yes, indeed, maybe this is my mistake. I have a Softbank simcard, but I am neither using their X0HT nor their Japanese ROM. Until now I used "Site Direct".
As this seems not availbale anymore from 1 April for non-Softbank ROM user, I thought I can use the "Access Internet" service via *99# instead. Is there any other way?
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This is a Hermes WM6 thread. Do you have a Hermes device? If so, there are CAB files you can use to automatically populate the Softbank APN information to your Hermes.

Idea of VOIP tweak for WM6 (thou not a programmer)

So hello cooks, chiefs, programmers,
I have a little question concerning VOIP on WM6 (Black 3.0 for instance)
I receive calls, no worries, I can make calls, no worries either.
What could be great, as when i'm using a SIP from my ISP, would be to have some like automatic options. That is, VOIP for normal phones are free (domestic and some countries), thou mobiles (domestic and international) are not.
This add would then automatically use one way or another, depending on your preferences. Like if I want to call a mobile even while connected on SIP server, it uses the 3G or 2G connection. If I want to call a normal phone, domestic, it would use SIP. Like it would detect first if your connected to the wifi and SIP line, then check the first digits of the number and then it would choose through which connection the call would go.
As an example : (French numbers)
Assuming a effective SIP connection through wifi.
I call 01...(or+331...) through SIP
I call 06...(or+336...) through 3/2G
I call +1....(US number) through SIP
If it could also change automatically the ipdialplan.xml (confusing for me ) depending on wysiwyg options you can give would also be great.
Would that be possible ?

Kael said:
So hello cooks, chiefs, programmers,
I have a little question concerning VOIP on WM6 (Black 3.0 for instance)
I receive calls, no worries, I can make calls, no worries either.
What could be great, as when i'm using a SIP from my ISP, would be to have some like automatic options. That is, VOIP for normal phones are free (domestic and some countries), thou mobiles (domestic and international) are not.
This add would then automatically use one way or another, depending on your preferences. Like if I want to call a mobile even while connected on SIP server, it uses the 3G or 2G connection. If I want to call a normal phone, domestic, it would use SIP. Like it would detect first if your connected to the wifi and SIP line, then check the first digits of the number and then it would choose through which connection the call would go.
As an example : (French numbers)
Assuming a effective SIP connection through wifi.
I call 01...(or+331...) through SIP
I call 06...(or+336...) through 3/2G
I call +1....(US number) through SIP
If it could also change automatically the ipdialplan.xml (confusing for me ) depending on wysiwyg options you can give would also be great.
Would that be possible ?
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Mate i am about to release a new version of the Sip Cnfig Toos this will alow for WYSIWYG dial plan editing.
I just have to work out wethere i can force a ceritan type of number (01 in your eg) through a certiran gateway out (SIP).
But we are thinking.....
If anyone knows if you can do this thry the dial plan pelase let me know.

I knew the chefs are gods....
I'll create the church right away

Restrict clause in the rule of the ipdialplan
The answer could be the use of a "restrict" clause in the rule of the ipdialplan
cf. http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa921954.aspx
Example :
<!-- IP address rules -->
<rule pattern='\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}'
restrict='Cell,SMS'
/>
The IP address rules restict its usage to Cell and SMS.

Query: Simultaneous GPRS data transfer & Voice call

I have an MDA C3. When web & walk is transferring internet Data and a call comes in, the phone does not ring. It goes directly to the voicemail.
T-Mobile customer service tell me that this is correct as you can either transfer internet data or make a call.
Is that right? I thought that was with WAP which is analagous to dial-up. Surely GPRS is analagous to Broadband.
Anyone else want to try this:
Go to Web & walk home page. Attempt loading up the guardian page (This will take a while). Whilst this is loading, call your phone number and see if it rings or goes direct to VM.
I spend lots of time browsing so I must be losing lots of calls!
Feedback greatly appreciated.

From what I have heard only UMTS devices can support simultaneous voice/data.

Yes - but not GRPS that uses GSM band instead of UMTS.
However, some devices have troubles keeping the data link active when a call comes in.

I am having the same issue (also on T-Mobile UK).
Then IE is running or AS is downloading my mail (I use direct push) all my calls go straight to voicemail.
This is worrying as I just moved over to T-Mobile for the web n walk package to allow me to have instant e-mails. This is a pain if it means I miss calls whilst my mail is downloading.
You'd think that the chances of the 2 coinciding are slim (I don't get a lot of mail, maybe 10 per day) but the wife has already complained 3 times since Friday that she went straight to voicemail, and each time it was exactly as i got a new mail.
Is this a limit of GPRS, the Orbit or just T-Mobile?
Thanks
Dae

I was surprised too... Thats why I posted the query. I thought my phone and/or SIm were faulty. But T-Mobile tell me thats how its supposed to work.
With W&W and Email, Its really hard for someone to get through with a voice call. It was worrying for me as I tend to browse the net whenever I am waiting around. This means that when I am on the bus surfing, no one can get through to me!!
Surely if there is a limitation, then the phone should give precendence to the Voice call. After all, you can pick up your emails or surfing where you left off.
I would really be interested to see if this is a T-Mobile only problem.

No itschase is spot on.
It's not a t-Mobile problem, it's the same for any GSM based network.
Only 3g (UMTS) phones can do data and voice at the same time. No matter what network you are on.

I have just run an experiment in the office as follows:-
Me (artemis with v3 black and blue) - Voicemail when data active
person 1 (MDA compact III - v3 black and blue) - Voicemail when active
person 2 (hermes) - no Voicemail when active.
We are all on t-mobile UK, and therefore it doesn't look like a network issue, but maybe a ROM problem?

daesimps said:
therefore it doesn't look like a network issue, but maybe a ROM problem?
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What problem? Everything is working as it supposed to. If it's so important to you. Go buy a 3g phone!

I now fully appreciate that 3g phones are the only ones to support this type of behaviour.
I was trying to be helpful and post the results of my test as at that point I didn't realise that only 3g phones worked as such. I was lead to believe this by wikipedia:-
"Class B
Can be connected to GPRS service and GSM service (voice, SMS), but using only one or the other at a given time. During GSM service (voice call or SMS), GPRS service is suspended, and then resumed automatically after the GSM service (voice call or SMS) has concluded. Most GPRS mobile devices are Class B. "
Obviously this is not the case.
Bring on the HTC Kaiser!!!

Gajet said:
What problem? Everything is working as it supposed to. If it's so important to you. Go buy a 3g phone!
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I incorrectly assumed that whilst browsing, if a voice call comes in, the phone would give priority to the call.
If I had known what I know now at the time I signed my 18M contract I would have bought a 3g Phone! Its just annoying that i'm stuck with it for another 12M. T-Mobile push the fact that they have set the internet free... but what they fail to get across to everyday users is that its "AT THE EXPENSE OF THE VOICE CALLS"

Because T-Mobile forced you to buy one of their 2.5g phones rather than one of their 3g phones?

I have no problem receiving phone calls while browsing the internet on the P3300.

cduijker said:
I have no problem receiving phone calls while browsing the internet on the P3300.
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Neither have I to be honest, the issue only arises while you are actively downloading data. However once the website has loaded, you are free to accept calls again whilst still looking at the site in the browser.

Gajet said:
Neither have I to be honest, the issue only arises while you are actively downloading data. However once the website has loaded, you are free to accept calls again whilst still looking at the site in the browser.
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As a test I started downloading a dummy 32MB testfile on my P3300 (from speedtest.bbned.nl) and I called my mobile with another phone.
There was no problem; I received the call while downloading the file.
Maybe it depends on the operator? I am in Holland on T-Mobile

daesimps said:
I now fully appreciate that 3g phones are the only ones to support this type of behaviour.
I was trying to be helpful and post the results of my test as at that point I didn't realise that only 3g phones worked as such. I was lead to believe this by wikipedia:-
"Class B
Can be connected to GPRS service and GSM service (voice, SMS), but using only one or the other at a given time. During GSM service (voice call or SMS), GPRS service is suspended, and then resumed automatically after the GSM service (voice call or SMS) has concluded. Most GPRS mobile devices are Class B. "
Obviously this is not the case.
Bring on the HTC Kaiser!!!
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Hi,
It's not enough to have a class A (2G) device, but also DTM (Dual Transfer Mode/Simple Class A) support has to be active in the specific network, otherwise only 3G device on 3G network will provide Class A (simultaneous voice & data).
In fact, there are quite many models from Nokia during last year that support DTM, but as already mentioned, it's not enough.
FYI,
Zohar

cduijker said:
As a test I started downloading a dummy 32MB testfile on my P3300 (from speedtest.bbned.nl) and I called my mobile with another phone.
There was no problem; I received the call while downloading the file.
Maybe it depends on the operator? I am in Holland on T-Mobile
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Is that an EDGE network ?

I got the Artemis with PV Black&Blue v3 ROM.
I can receive calls while pages are loading in IE.
I think this is a provider problem.
The phone provider has to intercept your GPRS connection and establish the GSM connection. Maybe T-Mobile just rejects calls while a GPRS connection/transfer is active.
A1 intercepts the page download and my call comes in.
When I pick up, the GPRS connection is closed completely. (not just pending)
So receiving calls while surfing is no problem for me with Austrian A1 provider.
Any other experiences?

Gajet said:
Is that an EDGE network ?
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no, just gprs; no edge.

cduijker said:
no, just gprs; no edge.
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...then it's no way you'll get simultaneous voice and data (class a).

[Q] VOIP - high value of lost packets for any VOIP provider on 3G network

Had no problem with the dutch firmware.
are you sure that you have 3g coverage where you live?
Don't forget to enable "wcdma only" from call settings. It might help.

Hmmm .... I do not have any problems with Diamond, I'm close to BTS with signal level 5 in 3G. So I think there is something with that....
Problem is with Samsung only. Sipdroid is showing more than 95% of lost packets and about 10% late. I have to test this with another firmware... maybe this is a problem.
Thank for suggestion with the change of GSM band - I did this - the same.
PS: no problems with on lin eradio e.g.....

OK - I changed firmware, radio, modem... nothing.
Then I made some additional test using sipdroid on the alternative port - and bang... clean sound... no dropping packets.
It is looking that vodafone.nl is filtering communication on SIP ports like 5060 - they have in rules that voip is not allowed.
The thing is that before with my old contract it was working really perfect without any missed packets.
Question is how it is possible that on HTC Desire in Vodafone as well everything is working fine.
Maybe they have me on the list.... black...

interesting!
which port did you use? i should keep it in mind in case telfort does something similar

I have used port 36999.
The problem is that this port is supported only on pbxes.org - which is not perfect as the SIP provider for my another account.
So now I'm trying to find a good solution - maybe to use siproxd to forward connection to the SIP provider on normal port (5060).
Will see if this si working. For now Vodafone is blocking the SIP and VoIP (what is in their regulation).
I just did a mistake signing contract extension with them. Should choose another provider....