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Can anybody help to define, How push email is setup? and how it can work on imate jasjar

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Exchange SP2 setup
Does anyone have any info on what is required from Exchange to set this push mail up. i.e. HTTPS access from web, etc
Also i am on vodafone so what would my device address be? i.e. sms://<number> etc? do you need this? :?
Thanks.

Exchange SP2 setup
Does anyone have any info on what is required from Exchange to set this push mail up. i.e. HTTPS access from web, etc
Also i am on vodafone so what would my device address be? i.e. sms://<number> etc? do you need this? :?
Thanks.

Hi deluxe,
Can you tell us what version of Exchange you are pointing to and are you trying to configure the sync from the device or via the ActiveSync desktop wizard?
I assume you have a AKU2 ROM installed on your device.
Setting up push email is very easy to do provided you have a box running OWA with SP2 applied (ideally SP2 on all boxes but you can get away with it just on OWA and the server with your mailbox). The default settings on the Exchange end should be enough to get you going.
You mention you’re being prompted for the device address, which implies that Exchange is falling back to using “Always Up To Date” (i.e. sending an SMS to your device each time you get a new mail). This is almost definitely not what you want to use. Are you sure you have SP2 installed?
Anyway, I am rambling so here is a simple check list.
Exchange SP2 on the OWA/Mailbox servers.
AKU2 Windows Mobile 5 Rom on the device.
ActiveSync 4.1 on the PC if you use the PC wizard.
Synchronisation with Exchange working ‘before’ trying to configure Direct Push from the scheduling options.
Access to your OWA (or ISA etc.) server via whatever means you want to run Direct Push over (i.e. WiFi, GPRS Internet APN, Private APN etc.)

Do we have any idea on the impact on the Data bill regarding the Push ? (Of course it will depend on HOW MUCH spam you receive ) but just having the PUSH always on, will this effect our data bill ?
Cheers

I am running exchange 2003 sp2, but currently do not have access outside the company .i.e. i have not nated it out. i have the website running internally so i presume i just need to nat the server to a public address.
I was trying to use activesync to set this up, and i am running the new rom.
djwillis said:
Hi deluxe,
Can you tell us what version of Exchange you are pointing to and are you trying to configure the sync from the device or via the ActiveSync desktop wizard?
I assume you have a AKU2 ROM installed on your device.
Setting up push email is very easy to do provided you have a box running OWA with SP2 applied (ideally SP2 on all boxes but you can get away with it just on OWA and the server with your mailbox). The default settings on the Exchange end should be enough to get you going.
You mention you’re being prompted for the device address, which implies that Exchange is falling back to using “Always Up To Date” (i.e. sending an SMS to your device each time you get a new mail). This is almost definitely not what you want to use. Are you sure you have SP2 installed?
Anyway, I am rambling so here is a simple check list.
Exchange SP2 on the OWA/Mailbox servers.
AKU2 Windows Mobile 5 Rom on the device.
ActiveSync 4.1 on the PC if you use the PC wizard.
Synchronisation with Exchange working ‘before’ trying to configure Direct Push from the scheduling options.
Access to your OWA (or ISA etc.) server via whatever means you want to run Direct Push over (i.e. WiFi, GPRS Internet APN, Private APN etc.)
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Daimaou said:
Do we have any idea on the impact on the Data bill regarding the Push ? (Of course it will depend on HOW MUCH spam you receive ) but just having the PUSH always on, will this effect our data bill ?
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In our simple tests your looking at about 10-12MB + mail volume on a stock config. You can make that a fair bit less by tweaking the heartbeat to a more reasonable 20-40 mins (knocks a few MB off, about 8MB + mail volume @ 40 min heartbeat).
deluxe said:
I am running exchange 2003 sp2, but currently do not have access outside the company .i.e. i have not nated it out. i have the website running internally so i presume i just need to nat the server to a public address.
I was trying to use activesync to set this up, and i am running the new rom.
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As I assume you don't have a private APN then without making the server public (via a firewall, ISA server or as a last result simple NAT) is the only way your going to make this work.
If you use SSL make sure the cert matches the public (internet) address of your server and that you have an approperate root cert installed on your device if you use an internal CA. You can use it over HTTP just fine but it's not secure in the least and I would not suggest it unless you had a private APN.
When you have the server exposed just get manual syncing over the air going from the device, then we can tackle DirectPush.

Re: Exchange SP2 setup
deluxe said:
Does anyone have any info on what is required from Exchange to set this push mail up. i.e. HTTPS access from web, etc
Also i am on vodafone so what would my device address be? i.e. sms://<number> etc? do you need this? :?
Thanks.
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I asked Vodafone Spain and they told me this service is not available for Vodafone, I can't understand. I'm planning to move Telefonica because they have it running.

Daimaou said:
Do we have any idea on the impact on the Data bill regarding the Push ? (Of course it will depend on HOW MUCH spam you receive ) but just having the PUSH always on, will this effect our data bill ?
Cheers
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From the speed of receive the e-mail in the TS2 demo's I've seen, would you agree that Exchange is pushing the email before the filters can scrub it? I think this would be an area of huge improvement if MS would conduct the push later down in the process of receiving/delivering the e-mail.

Re: Exchange SP2 setup
beginner said:
deluxe said:
Does anyone have any info on what is required from Exchange to set this push mail up. i.e. HTTPS access from web, etc
Also i am on vodafone so what would my device address be? i.e. sms://<number> etc? do you need this? :?
Thanks.
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I asked Vodafone Spain and they told me this service is not available for Vodafone, I can't understand. I'm planning to move Telefonica because they have it running.
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I dont really get the point here. I mean, Vodafone offers REAL MAIL, isnt it the same as Push mail?

Re: Exchange SP2 setup
jmcl said:
beginner said:
deluxe said:
Does anyone have any info on what is required from Exchange to set this push mail up. i.e. HTTPS access from web, etc
Also i am on vodafone so what would my device address be? i.e. sms://<number> etc? do you need this? :?
Thanks.
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I asked Vodafone Spain and they told me this service is not available for Vodafone, I can't understand. I'm planning to move Telefonica because they have it running.
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I dont really get the point here. I mean, Vodafone offers REAL MAIL, isnt it the same as Push mail?
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jmcl: REAL MAIL is a service provided by vodafone supporting imap or pop3 mail, in the case you haven't a corporate exchange server or lotus. If you have some corporative mail server, with an exchange server, vodafone doesn't add value. In this case should be nice to have a mail address where you can receive sms, in other words, imagine a mail address that is connected directly to your sms inbox. There are other applications -for example verichat- that use this sms/mail address in order to send your device messages when you are not online.

does anyone have the setting for o2 in the uk?
Thanks
Paul

Push mail syncs every 10 minutes
I have a trial account with 4smartphone , push mail works great.
Although I adjusted syncing schedule from my JasJar to "As Items arrive" , it keeps syncing every 10 to 15 minutes!!
any ideas?

Re: Push mail syncs every 10 minutes
simx said:
I have a trial account with 4smartphone , push mail works great.
Although I adjusted syncing schedule from my JasJar to "As Items arrive" , it keeps syncing every 10 to 15 minutes!!
any ideas?
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its not push mail unless its "As Items arrive", its just normal activesync checking,
also need the direct push enabled for it.
it does rock tho i have mine set to "As Items arrive" for peak and manual for offpeak, as im on the machine i use the account on in the evenings, so its basically now set for push mail in my working hours and manual when im at home,

Re: Push mail syncs every 10 minutes
simx said:
I have a trial account with 4smartphone , push mail works great.
Although I adjusted syncing schedule from my JasJar to "As Items arrive" , it keeps syncing every 10 to 15 minutes!!
any ideas?
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I believe this is due to the heartbeat, mine seems to do the same thing....

thanks Carnivor,
but Im still confused, Direct push is enabled on my device (its yellow) and "as item arrives" is checked also, yet it keeps on syncying every 10 or 15 minutes!!
I thought it will only sync whenever I really have mail, if it keeps syncing every 10 minutes I will probably not use it because of the extreme high cost of GPRS

Sorry for the novice question but what is heartbeat!!

simx said:
Sorry for the novice question but what is heartbeat!!
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a heartbeat is something the exchange server sends to your phone to make sure its still connected and everything is ok, what you are seeing is not a sync its just letting you know when the last heartbeat saw recieved. I think if anyone knows different please let me know

ahh i see what you mean now, im sure i saw on the 4smartphone site that its 5mb/month data tarriff required, one could assume this is 24/7 heartbeat monitoring without the actual cost of transfering emails, that will be added ontop of the initial 5mb. its a theory

Corp Blackberry using WM5 ?

Hi folks,
I have a T-mobile dash (WM5) with a data plan (but no blackberry plan). My new employer uses only Palm OS Treo's and Blackberries for mobile corp email - although they use Outlook for desktop corp email !
The IT guys were a little puzzled with the Windows Mobile Device ! Anyway, I was wondering if there is a way to
1) Use my T-mobile dash's data plan
2) Along with a WM5 app
3) to connect to my corp blackberry's server.
I downloaded the WM5 blackberry app but it doesn't seem to connect anywhere, nor could I figure out how to set it up. Is there a step by step guide somewhere ?
Also, is that app very similar to the Treo/blackberries ? Then I could simply give my dash+BB connect to the IT guys and they could configure it (if the UI etc are similar to blackberries ... they know only treos and blackberries).
On a final note, I wanted to convince the head IT tech to support WM5 Outlook 'officially'. For this I need some information on how easy, secure it is to deploy this setup. Their current exchange server is mostly inside the corp firewall, so copying the desktop outlook settings to the dash doesn't work (desktop is inside corp firewall, dash is outside).
Thanks folks
Sid

Hello Sid!
I just came from a similar scenario- here's how I resolved my issues.
To be able to support direct push in Microsoft Exchange, a patch has to be applied to the server (The patch is called "Messaging and Security Feature Pack (MSFP) for Windows Mobile 5.0"). Direct Push allows your WM device to be in constant communication with the exchange server by pinging the exchange box for any changes to that user account (email). When a new email arrives in your inbox, your phone then downloads the new message. You can also sync your contacts, calendar, etc.
Unfortunately, my company has not applied this patch yet. When I went from my blackberry to WM5 device, they were not thrilled.
Thankfully, T-Mobile offers a push service called T-Mobile MyEmail which allows you to push email from any exchange/POP3 address. It will automatically locate the server address for you, just provide it your company email address and password.
From a security stand point, Microsoft's Direct Push is the most secure. It will also allow your system admin to remotely flash your handset if happens to get lost or stolen.
If you are interested in learning more about T-Mobile's MyEmail, go to:
http://www.myemail.t-mobile.com
For more information regarding Microsoft's Direct Push Technology, check out:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/articles/directpush.mspx
Cheers

sublevel said:
Hello Sid!
Thankfully, T-Mobile offers a push service called T-Mobile MyEmail which allows you to push email from any exchange/POP3 address. It will automatically locate the server address for you, just provide it your company email address and password.
From a security stand point, Microsoft's Direct Push is the most secure. It will also allow your system admin to remotely flash your handset if happens to get lost or stolen.
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But my corp email isin't POP or IMAP ... its exchange and blackberry. So while its a good suggestion, it won't help my situation. (?) I tried setting up my email via the "setup my email icon" but it doesn't work.
Also, exchange is inside the firewall so only "real" computers can access it via VPN/corp ethernet. Blackberry is outside the firewall. This is why my WM5 outlook can't even reach the real outlook server. I think I have two options
1) convince them to setup Exchange to talk to mobile devices
--> I'm going to forward your link to the IT guys so they can evaluate this option - thanks!
2) make my own WM5 device look/work reasonably similar to the Treo/Blackberries they are used to configuring. Then say "please set this up like a blackberry like you normally do".
For 2) I think I have found the app (bb connect?) but don't know
2.1) how to configure it
2.2) if it's the latest version (where do I get the latest version?)
2.3) If having just the data plan is good enough or do I need the special blackberry plan for this to work.
Hope that sheds more light .... thanks folks
Sid

Stoneage
Hi,
I have the same problem, only there's no convincing my IT department to support WM5 device. It supports only BB that are company property.
I have an external outlook privately setup with push mail and an alias for my corporate email, but the it seems like the redirect and auto forward rules I've defined in my outlook are forbidden or something, since they won't forward the mails I get from my exchange account to my external account.
Any idea how to go around this?
Some outlook plugin/software that will automatically forward mails to my external account?
Thanks.

Why don't you just get a blackberry data plan added to your account and use the blackberry connect client? That is all you need, as long as IT setup an account on your BES server at work.

Not that simple
If only life was that simple.
Not everybody can get a BB in our company and the IT department will not support devices that aren't owned by the company.
So, I'm looking for the workaround.

gmail IMAP versus PUSH?

hey guys,
so this gmail implementing free imap has really caused some stir evidently.
my question is this. what should i use? which one's better?
right now what happens is my gmail account forwards all email to my exchange server, hosted on my home PC. my phone then syncs with exchange using push, and more often than not i get email on my phone before it arrives on my desktop (which downloads mail from gmail using POP).
i use thunderbird on my laptop, and only access email from this one client. my phone uses exhange, as i mentioned, so its not really linked. however i like keeping things sorted in folders on my thunderbird client.
any tips? should i just switch everything over to imap or what?

chamelion said:
hey guys,
right now what happens is my gmail account forwards all email to my exchange server, hosted on my home PC.
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How you managed to make exchasnge server runs on your home PC ? It is nice to try it myself please..

hbahaie said:
How you managed to make exchasnge server runs on your home PC ? It is nice to try it myself please..
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lol hard work installed win2003, then exchange, set it all up, have an external IP, set up certificates for security, and voila!

chamelion said:
lol hard work installed win2003, then exchange, set it all up, have an external IP, set up certificates for security, and voila!
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thanks a lot, the problem is i have dynamic IP, will try to have a static one or use an IP forwarding service, trhank u again for your prompt reply.

hbahaie said:
thanks a lot, the problem is i have dynamic IP, will try to have a static one or use an IP forwarding service, trhank u again for your prompt reply.
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dyndns
solves all your dynamic IP issues!

If an Exchange server is too hard to install, you can try Kerio Mailserver..
Its very easy to configure..and it also works with pushmail..

There is one small difference between IMAP IDLE, and Exchange with PushMail - the price. IMAP IDLE was invented long time ago and always was free (but not available on free accounts and this is a new thing), and then it was "reinvented" by Blackberry and again by Microsoft. And now you can have:
1. Blackberry for monthly fee and total control od the company over your mails
2. PushMail with expansive Windows Server and Exchange + a lot of free problems
3. Totally free IMAP IDLE on your home linux server or even cheaper with gmail.
For me choice is easy

Mail2web is an online exchange server (2003) for free !
So the two alternative are for me:
mail2web: online exchange server, free, sync contact calendar tasks
vs
gmail: imap (i can't use it yet)
But, wich is better? I need only mail asap on my Hermes with minimum data transfer cost.
Any mean?

As far as I know IMAP doesn't sync contacts, calendar or tasks.....I'm going to stick with gmail-->mail2web-->phone

Edvard_Greig said:
As far as I know IMAP doesn't sync contacts, calendar or tasks.....I'm going to stick with gmail-->mail2web-->phone
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I do it same now. But gmail imap would be maybe cheaper... And I never use my mail2web account to write mail. If I receive a mail on gmail than I would like to answer with gmail acc instead of mail2web...

chamelion said:
dyndns
solves all your dynamic IP issues!
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Apart from the fact that almost every mail server blocks Dynamic IP ranges, so you wont be able to send any mail..... Been there done that! lol
Wish there was a way round it because i cant get a Static

imap idle ftw !
Hi
I'm currently running a mail server on a dedicated box (host @ datacenter 30€/month) under linux with courrier-imap. There is a way to implement IMAP IDLE function, that is almost the same than pushing emails.
I actualy tested it without FAM (File Alteration Monitor). Fam allow you to have a realtime email like blackberry. I don't need it, the basic IMAP_ENHANCEDIDLE do a check every minutes and update if there is a mail.
I tested this feature through telnet and it worked lovely.
Now, in order to be able to use this feature over your windows mobile, you have the choice between to softwares.
The first is vgsmail http://www.vgsmail.com/ppc/ (free trial)
This one will just enable the IMAP IDLE feature on your pocket outlook (seems to be the more elegant way to implement it)
The second is WIS Flexmail 2007 (search at google ) (free trial)
This one is a new client (i don't like to change my use personnaly)
The major problem of the both solutions is that you have to pay for it.
Does anyone can do a patch for pocket outlook to implement imap idle fonction on it ?
Regards.

lucky bastards ,
i still cannot use that feature!!!!!!!!

GorTen said:
I do it same now. But gmail imap would be maybe cheaper... And I never use my mail2web account to write mail. If I receive a mail on gmail than I would like to answer with gmail acc instead of mail2web...
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For (from memory) 80cents US a month mail2web allows you to set up a 'permanent from address' so it appears that the mail is coming from gmail or whereever!
Works a treat

mfubib said:
For (from memory) 80cents US a month mail2web allows you to set up a 'permanent from address' so it appears that the mail is coming from gmail or whereever!
Works a treat
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Where is this option? I use mail2web live...

Just sign up for a mail2web LIVE account...
https://services.mail2web.com/signup/mail2weblive/mail2webLive_01.asp

jaso2005 said:
Apart from the fact that almost every mail server blocks Dynamic IP ranges, so you wont be able to send any mail..... Been there done that! lol
Wish there was a way round it because i cant get a Static
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don't use my exchange server for SMTP, only for PUSH. SMTP i've set up exchange to use gmail's smtp server, which is perfect. means that every email i send from my phone is automatically put into my sent mail box in my gmail account.
... and of course it's not blocked. best of all worlds
After reading through this thread i think the answer for me is simple - stick with my exchange service. didn't pay a cent for it (100% legal through my school's license too!) and it works perfectly. so why not just keep it going

While setting up Win2k3 + Exchange 2k3 w/ SP2 isn't too bad if you know what you're doing, a lot of people don't have resources to do that.
I recommend Mail2web as well. Great service! I've been using it for probably ~1.5 years now with Push email on my phone. Pretty much ever since Push came out for WM, I've been using mail2web with it.
If you want push Gmail, what I did was set up a rule on my gmail account to forward ALL email to my mail2web account, then archive it.
So now someone just emails my gmail and it gets pushed to my phone. nice and easy.

chamelion said:
don't use my exchange server for SMTP, only for PUSH. SMTP i've set up exchange to use gmail's smtp server, which is perfect. means that every email i send from my phone is automatically put into my sent mail box in my gmail account.
... and of course it's not blocked. best of all worlds
After reading through this thread i think the answer for me is simple - stick with my exchange service. didn't pay a cent for it (100% legal through my school's license too!) and it works perfectly. so why not just keep it going
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Ahhh using the SMTP server in Smart Hosts?

GldRush98 said:
While setting up Win2k3 + Exchange 2k3 w/ SP2 isn't too bad if you know what you're doing, a lot of people don't have resources to do that.
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yes very very true. i took days to set it up, literally. tweak here, fix there, research here, implement there etc etc. But i guess it's different for me who's a complete computer geek and found the challange more exciting than actually solving it at the end
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Ahhh using the SMTP server in Smart Hosts?
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yep! i thought that was a great touch

Outlook TRIAL??

Honestly, what the? Why did I get a trial of Outlook with this thing? Why not the full version? Thats the way it was when I purchased my previous devices!

I think it is Outlook for your PC, not PDA.

Exactly, Outlook 2007 for Windows PCs trial. I mean, you need Outlook on the PC to sync contacts and calendar, so why not the full version. Meh. Kinda glad I already had Outlook, and wasn't relying on the one that came with the phone!

You can use Outlook Express to sync you contacts.

doktor_ppc said:
You can use Outlook Express to sync you contacts.
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how the heck did ya manage that? Surely through some third party tool or something?

Microsoft ActiveSync 4.5

Pff... I've given up ActiveSync because I have to sync with 2 PC's...
I use Funambol and that works much better!

bigjezza said:
Honestly, what the? Why did I get a trial of Outlook with this thing? Why not the full version? Thats the way it was when I purchased my previous devices!
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Sure, when it comes to microstop you can sum up their strategies as:
1.- increasing greed.
2.- counterworking any open standards.

Honestly, Outlook is the worst ever piece of software for email client.
I banned it 2 years ago (and windows+ office too)
Backing up/ restoring outlook is a nightmare.
Look up in outlook messages is totally unresponsive above 1000 messages!
If you stick to windows then use thunderbird with funambol extension for sync your calendar, briefcase, notes, contacts thru internet and push mail service.
Thunderbird profile can be exported to other computers even mac or linux or 2 pc's can use the same thunderbird profile
Don't forget the 100's usefull extensions and skins for thunderbird.

Mobile sync
I have not heard of funambol before. Can you tell me if it will sync the status of emails. ie if I have read it on the mobile it shows as read on the desktop.
I have a desktop, laptop and mobile (just upgraded from Tytn2 to Touch Pro 2 and well impressed) and would like to sync the pst files on all 3.
I have found software (Sync2 from 4Team Corp) that works automatically from the laptop to the desktop by creating a third party copy of the pst anywhere on the LAN which doubles as a complete backup of Outlook, nice solution and mine is set to sync every 10 mins for all 3 of my business email accounts.
What I cannot do is to sync the status of emails with my Touch Pro 2 and the 4Team Corp help desk say that they cannot do this. With mobile communication being so key and easy today with superb tools (from HTC) to work, one of you cleaver buggers out there must be able to sort the issue and sync the mobile pst with the desktop version.
Large beer on the table for the first to provide a real solution!

Tytn2-User said:
I(just upgraded from Tytn2 to Touch Pro 2 and well impressed)
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You need a new username!

phigafr said:
Honestly, Outlook is the worst ever piece of software for email client.
I banned it 2 years ago (and windows+ office too)
Backing up/ restoring outlook is a nightmare.
Look up in outlook messages is totally unresponsive above 1000 messages!
If you stick to windows then use thunderbird with funambol extension for sync your calendar, briefcase, notes, contacts thru internet and push mail service.
Thunderbird profile can be exported to other computers even mac or linux or 2 pc's can use the same thunderbird profile
Don't forget the 100's usefull extensions and skins for thunderbird.
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I have been living on MS-LookOut for many years now. I use standard IT practices (like keeping up to date on patches, automatic archiving) and I find Outlook to be very responsive, and I have a 2G mail store on my laptop. I manage my own Exchange server, and it has been very reliable and responsive. It is a matter of using modern platforms- a netbook class machine with XP just won't cut it.
My Outlook Mobile could be better- I wish I could have multiple exchange server support.

phigafr said:
Honestly, Outlook is the worst ever piece of software for email client.
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Then you haven't used Lotus Notes. Yeah, it's primarily groupware, but it was the ony e-mail client my former employer would allow. And it was horrible.
I have no problems with Outlook. I use Thunderbird for accessing personal e-mail at work, but I prefer Outlook by a mile.

Bright.Light said:
Pff... I've given up ActiveSync because I have to sync with 2 PC's...
I use Funambol and that works much better!
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I sync to 2 PC's using ActiveSync just fine.

Mesquire said:
I sync to 2 PC's using ActiveSync just fine.
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+1. There is a limit of 2 PC's only on Activesync but it works as it should.
Some people just hate M$ because some people tell them to

powersquad said:
+1. There is a limit of 2 PC's only on Activesync but it works as it should.
Some people just hate M$ because some people tell them to
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Yes, and on the other hand, I don't think there is a limit as to the number of devices a PC can sync to - maximum I have tried was 5 PPC to one PC and to a single Outlook profile.

Mesquire said:
Yes, and on the other hand, I don't think there is a limit as to the number of devices a PC can sync to - maximum I have tried was 5 PPC to one PC and to a single Outlook profile.
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I think x number of PPC are allowed to be connected to one PC, BUT 1 PPC can only sync/connect with max 2 different PC's. It can connect as a guest on more than 2 PC's though.
I tried connecting my TP2 to my work PC and active sync asked me to delete either desktop PC or laptop to make way for work synchorization.
What you said is correct!

Seriously, if you're planning on using more than one PC for emails, you're better off keeping them on the mailserver anyway.
Gmail with IMAP access means that I could access them from Outlook on my home PC, work PC and netbook (if I didn't like their web client) AND my TP2. And the changes I make on any of them apply to the rest.
That way, you don't have to worry about backing them up, because even if your machine catches fire, you just connect via IMAP on the replacement and get them all back again.

It is OK to use and like Microsoft products
ButtonBoy said:
I have been living on MS-LookOut for many years now. I use standard IT practices (like keeping up to date on patches, automatic archiving) and I find Outlook to be very responsive, and I have a 2G mail store on my laptop. I manage my own Exchange server, and it has been very reliable and responsive. It is a matter of using modern platforms- a netbook class machine with XP just won't cut it.
My Outlook Mobile could be better- I wish I could have multiple exchange server support.
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Same here. I wish it would support multiple exchange servers.
Also, I have not observed any response problems at work. We have several anal-retentive, email-saving people who absolutely refuse to archive their emails. All of the email hoarders have 10s of thousands of emails, and multi-gigabyte mail stores on the laptop. Everyone is happy with the Outlook/Exchange combination. Schedules are synchronized, assistants have access to delegated mailboxes, etc.

email client sucks badly

Basically there are two main flaws which MUST be fixed by HTC!
1) 9 times out of 10 when you try to create a new imap account, the setup doesn't proceed over the incoming server page so you can't configure it at all
2) you can't add untrusted certificate when syncronizing with an exchange server (this function is supported by standard android client and I can't understand why htc removed it!): I'm not able to recieve push corporate mails becouse of this and was forced to use K-9 client (which works as a charm)
HTC must fix these issues as soon as possible, as they make the Desire unusable as a reliable business tool. Seriously

massimax said:
2) you can't add untrusted certificate when syncronizing with an exchange server (this function is supported by standard android client and I can't understand why htc removed it!): I'm not able to recieve push corporate mails becouse of this and was forced to use K-9 client (which works as a charm)
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When creating my excahnge account, it just asks me if I want to acccept the untrusted certificate and thats it, thats the last I hear about that.

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When creating my excahnge account, it just asks me if I want to acccept the untrusted certificate and thats it, thats the last I hear about that.
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It asks me to accept the certificate EVERY TIME it checks the email, even if I always allow it...

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It asks me to accept the certificate EVERY TIME it checks the email, even if I always allow it...
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Odd, mine hasn't ever done that. I've been using a Hero with exchange for 10 months or so and now the desire a few days with no issues.

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Odd, mine hasn't ever done that. I've been using a Hero with exchange for 10 months or so and now the desire a few days with no issues.
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I haven't had any problem with corporate exchange certificate when was using my old windows mobile phones nor with my former Androids (Hero and Magic) but with this Desire it's a nightmare. When using K-9 client everything works fine so I think it's HTC client's fault...

Will be interesting to see whether anyone else has the same issue. I can't fault it, works just as well as it did on my Hero!

Untrusted certificate problem...
I've got this problem too, but, I don't know why, after few attempts, the problem is switched off by itself.
I don't know if it is possible to load the certificate into the phone via browser, but you can try this way.

Sending email via outbox without data connection is not possible...
This is another odd issue:
If there is not a data connection, the email client is NOT able to send email. Normally the email clients move email into the outbox folder for a future sending when a data connection will be available.
It's simple to test. You can try this issue, disabling every data connection on your phone.
This is very boring issue, mostly for those people that strongly use email for business.
Any feedback about?

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Odd, mine hasn't ever done that. I've been using a Hero with exchange for 10 months or so and now the desire a few days with no issues.
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Exactly the same with me too. Which version of Exchange are you using? If it is 2007 just remove the handset from exchange managed devices then recreate the account on the handset. Might help?

Just to confirm, currently using Exchange 2003.

Weird, the client is working perfectly for me, with Exchange 2007. I wonder what it is about your environment that triggers the problem?

I've setup IMAP acounts many many times with no issues at all on my Magic because of constant re-flashing ROMs ;-) (most of the time with the HTC mail client). Also the 2 IMAP acounts on my desire were setup in minutes with no problem. Maybe your device is faulty?

i had as well no problems setting up my corporate exchange account. it was exactly like on my hero. it showed me a warning about the certificate once, i think i pressed ignore and that's it. no more problems.
Exchange 2003
Cheers
Chaos42

Oh yeah I forgot about the IMAP bit. I use IMAP for my personal email account and again, it worked first time and has worked perfectly since. Same on my G1, though the default client lacked some functionality on there.
Do you have good connectivity when you run through the IMAP set up process? When you enter your details it tries to connect and verify that they are correct, so I wonder whether this is the delay/hang you're seeing?

massimax said:
Basically there are two main flaws which MUST be fixed by HTC!
2) you can't add untrusted certificate when syncronizing with an exchange server (this function is supported by standard android client and I can't understand why htc removed it!): I'm not able to recieve push corporate mails becouse of this and was forced to use K-9 client (which works as a charm)
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Indeed have this issue with exchange 2003.. Just to bad.. It's so close to being perfect, but now I have do dig out my iphone again..
I've been in touch with HTC customer service. They don't see this as a bug, but agreed to open a feature request to allow 'download and trust certificate' aka TouchDown does..

not had any exchange issues on my desire with exchange 2007 or 2010 as of yet. really pleased with the email client actually, works a lot better than my n97 one did!