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MDA III - Newbie Set-Up Confusion (MSN Messenger)

Hi,
picked up a shiny new MDA III yesterday afternoon having switched providers - number transfer in progress - so I'm new to both the handset and the provider.
Managed to get the unit hooked up to my home WiFi network pertty simply etc and got the Active Sync sorted etc.... other than the fact the GRPS isn't configured out of the box, I've got a single major bugbear to sort.
That is that I don't seem to be able to get MSN Messenger to connect.
It's exhibiting exactly the same symptoms suggested here.... http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;832515
... but obviously the refers to a previous OS version ?
So, either I have something to fix or unlock in the set-up, the port is blocked on the handset (works fine on my laptop on the same WiFi through the same firewall) ?
Had a search through the forums, but to no avail. Can anyone help me on this ?
Are there any recommended patches/fixes I should have installed straight from the off ?
Thanks in advance !
Matt

OK, just so you you don't think I'm totally clueless, from what I've just been reading in the T-Mobile online manual, I have to have the GPRS connection open to connect to Messenger.
Is this right ? Surely if I have a active WiFi connection is should be able to connect using that, right ? Will it connect via GPRS and then pass it over to WiFi ?
I'll have to check it when I get home to see if I can resolve it in that way.
Any other tips gratefully received !
Matt

I'm using Messenger with a CSD (GSM) connection because it's part of my allowance. Sorry but I haven't tried WiFi yet.

I'm having the same problem.
MSN Messenger works fine using GPRS but fails to login using my Wifi connection.
What's even weirder is that it works ok when docked (ActiveSync)!!!
I'm using MDA III on T-Mobile (UK)
Anyone got any ideas?

I've tried replicating this issue, but on my XDA IIs over WiFi, it connects to messenger no problem... it doesn't even try to initiate a GPRS connection first. I can only assume that the MDA III is configured slightly differently out of the box.
As a thought, you might want to double-check Connection Manager and see which type of connection is set for programs that automatically connect to the internet

Ok, home and finished doing the set-up.
I've found no way of using MSN by any other protocol than GPRS. If you are WiFi atached and attempt to use MSN, then it will drop the WiFi connection and instead pick up GPRS. And obviously you're on for .075p per kb... which might be the real answer in why T-Mobile have set-up the device in this way.
The 'programs that automatically connect to the internet' doesn't seem to allow you to select WiFi as the default connection, only the range of GSM/GPRS options and the 'My Work' one.
Should I use the 'My Work' VPN option and set that up to use WiFi ?
If anyonebody has got any tips on how to set or hack this... seems there are a few of us that might benefit !

Just out of curiosity: if you go into your WiFi manager, have you specifically told the device that the WiFi card in your MDA III connects you to "The Internet"?
I can't recall whether that was the default setting before I set up my wireless network connection on my IIs... it seems like such a no-brainer, but it could assume that your WiFi connection is to a work network etc.

I'm at work and it 's at home.... but I'm adamant that that it knows that the WiFi connection connects to the Intanet. As you say, I think that it is the default setting
However, I will check !
Any other MDA III owners shed any light on this ?

Blackbeery GPRS and WIFI drives me nuts....

Hi there!
Has anyone an idea, how to make the Wifi and the Blackberry GPRS
Connection work at the same time?
It drives me nuts, as i am turning on WIFI, the Blackberry GPRS gets
disconnected. BUT, in 99% of the cases it reconnects the GPRS within
5 seconds. So there is not enough time to connect to any WIFI AP.
As i want to sync via WIFI its very annoying.
I know i can turn of the Radio, so that GPRS is disabled, but then
i cannot receive any phone calls, thats NOT what i want.
Any ideas, anyone???
cheers
Darwin69
PS: i forgot: Using Blueangel MDA III from Austrian T-Mobile, with newest Austrian German ROM from T-Mobile (like the one on the xda ftp).
PPS: Thanx for the extrom unlocking tool, really good stuff.

I must admit, I've never had that problem, but I make sure that I close ALL applications before turning on the WiFi. It can take 10-20 seconds for the WiFi interface to estbalish a connection and get an IP address. During that time, the device will try and connect via GPRS when you launch email, internet explorer etc

Hi!
The great problem is not an application. the problem is the
blackberry service, which you cannot deactivate without loosing
all data and settings :evil:
thanks to t-mobile
cheers
darwin69

Ouch that could get expensive if you didn't realise - I'm glad I don't have blackberry services, just plain old POP3 & SMTP email

hi!
no it actually doesnt, because t-moblle has an extra gprs setting for the blackberry client. when you are connected with the blackberry gprs, there are no costs. on the other hand, you can only use the blackberry service with this gprs connection, no internet, nothing.
its really annoying. No one else any ideas about that ??? pleeeease :roll:
cheers
darwin69

Blackberry and GPRS
Hi,
just use a taskmanager like "supertasks" which supports starting and stopping of services. Go to the services tab and stop the blackberry service. Then you can use WiFi as you like and afterwards you just turn on the service again. Nice handling so.
Wolfgang

WiFi problems

Hello.
I've got a rather anoying problem
I can't set up my device to automaticly choose to use wifi for programs that accesses the internet.
This causes the phone to enable an gprs connection every time i try to access the internet instead.
I have sucsessfully set ut the phone to connect to my wifi network and the communication works (skype runs)
In troubleshooting on HTC webpage you can find these instructions:
On your handset, 1. Click start > settings > connctions > connections > Advanced >Select Networks: Programs that automatically connect to the Internet should connect using: "Internet".
My problem is that the option "internet" dosent exixt in the menu, can i have missed something in the setup?

Are you by nay chance using an O2 orbit? If so this is a 'feature' that O2 have introduced to make themselves richer. Check out the other posts on this subject

strongp said:
Are you by nay chance using an O2 orbit? If so this is a 'feature' that O2 have introduced to make themselves richer. Check out the other posts on this subject
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So what is the best way to get around it??? Another program to help us disable their "feature" and allow us to access the setting we need???

strongp said:
Are you by nay chance using an O2 orbit? If so this is a 'feature' that O2 have introduced to make themselves richer. Check out the other posts on this subject
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I've got an orbit and can use the internet, email and anything that needs to access the internet via connecting to my wifi router?
I doesn't access the gprs.

NickR said:
I've got an orbit and can use the internet, email and anything that needs to access the internet via connecting to my wifi router?
I doesn't access the gprs.
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i hve an orbit but sicne i opeend the box i shoved in my t-mobile sim
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if it is activted how is gprs being used now with another sim??

NickR said:
I've got an orbit and can use the internet, email and anything that needs to access the internet via connecting to my wifi router?
I doesn't access the gprs.
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Stupid question I guess but how do you know for definite that it is not connecting via gprs???

wombat45 said:
Stupid question I guess but how do you know for definite that it is not connecting via gprs???
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a message comes up at the top of the screen saying connecting : o2 Active
If you have wifi on as well they both appear in the connectivity list.
Cheers
NICK

I prefer wifi to GPRS
I've the same problem. No answers for me in the rest of the threads. I can't select mi wifi connections without ti disable the GPRS connection.
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Hi,
First post here.
I experienced similar problems just like you. What I did was to ring up O2 and asked them to disable GPRS on my line because my XDA Orbit was defaulting to GPRS connection whenever I tried to connect to the Internet using WiFi. I told them that I was very unhappy about it. Needless to say, they promptly disabled it.
After this, I saw an X on the title bar, where the GPRS connection used to show up (next to the signal strength).
I no longer have the default GPRS connection whenever I try to access the Internet via WiFi. This means that I can now surf the Internet from my PDA without having to incur any data charge.
kiwi992.

Well I have no problems, it all works as it should, the programs use the connection already established or connects to GPRS. If it is plugged in on USB it uses that. If you make a Wi-Fi connection it uses that. If you don't make either of those it connects to GPRS. But it won't look to make a Wi-Fi connection first. None of my devices have done that, not just the Orbit.

aloisia said:
I've the same problem. No answers for me in the rest of the threads. I can't select mi wifi connections without ti disable the GPRS connection.
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That is done on purpose as a security measure, you can not have two simultaneous connections (except if your using the phone as a modem when you can have USB & GPRS.)

Hi, Maskedmaraudore. Thanks for your answer. For me the problem isn't it: often I've both connections simultaneously (I supose, both are connected but only one is working and carrying out data, it's clair).
Problem is: with both active connections (wifi correctly started and GPRS available), but no sessions initiated, I run any program having an automatic connection to internet (explorer, outlook,...), and the device starts a GPRS connection without use the current, and able, wireless connection. Why I must pay with GPRS having my home wifi active???
I've the program "NO GPRS", that I found in this forum, I think, but not always I remember to use it: I only want that HTC choice wifi if it's available.
Thanks,

Orbit connectivity driving me mad

Hi,
I have a new O2 Orbit but its connectivity to GPRS, WiFi and via cable/ActiveSync is driving me mad. In turns one or all of them don't work without me making any changes. O2 support have suggested:
- setting the username/password for GPRS, WAP etc - tried
- cleaning the SIM card - tried
- Hard reset - not tried yet, I don't want to have to re-install all the apps
This forum has suggested setting the setting the second drop down on Network Management to My ISP instead of My Work Network (which seems to be a WAP network). That helped for a while then it stopped.
GPRS thinks it has connected (showing the G icon with various arrows) but just doesn;t transfer any data.
Is this a hardware fault? I have a good signal on WiFi and GPRS but connectivity just comes and goes.
Any ideas?
Jon

It also forgets http proxy settings on the work connection when you run Internet Explorer. So annoying! The orbit is unusable if you need to set a proxy for your wifi.

I am having problems of GPRS connecting when i don't want it too!
Does anyone know of an app or setting that will make the orbit require authorisation to go connecting to GPRS? So i am in control of when i spend money!

I've been looking into this myself and found this on another forum.
CLICK HERE
I have just installed it and it works perfectly.

doublehard said:
I've been looking into this myself and found this on another forum.
CLICK HERE
I have just installed it and it works perfectly.
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excellent mate! ... just what i need..
cheers for that!

Modem driver for HSDPA UMTS

Dear All
I cannot find the original CD, therefore I cannot install the modem drivers onto my WinXP laptop. The modem drivers are necessary to use my PDA (Orange SPV 3100 - Hermes 100) to connect to Internet via UMTS - HSDPA
Can somebody help me by emailing these drivers ([email protected]) or posting here or attaching somewhere on Internet?
Thanks a lot
Saulo

I was told that modem drivers are the same for different brands, I mean Orange SPV M3100, or HTC TyTN / XDA trion / MDA Vario II / VPA Compact III / Dopod CHT 9000 / Dopod 838 Pro
Thanks and please help
Saulo866

You shouldn't need modem drivers if using a WM6 rom. Am I understanding the problem? The Internet sharing app uses a virtual network driver that works much better than the old modem drivers. And if you aren't using WM6, upgrade to it. The Internet sharing piece alone is worth the trouble.

I belief installing Activesync 4.5 should be sufficient.

Dear All
On PDA side I have an Orange SPV M3100 (Hermes 100) with WM 2006 Professional: CE OS 5.2.1413 build 17741.0.2.1
I am not sure whether this is a cooked rom or shipped one. I am inclined to believe it is a cooker WM06 rom
On laptop side I have
- ActiveSync 4.5.0 build 5096: it works greatly
- winXP SP2
Now my question is: WinXP does not see my Hermes as a 3G UMTS or HSDPA modem. Therefore I am unable to use my Hermes to connect to Internet.
My APN is set correctly, on the Hermes side: I called my UMTS-HSDPA operator and set my device accordingly. But the 3G operator also told me to contact HTC or Orange to download the modem driver to make it accessible by my laptop. ActiveSync 4.5 alone does not suffice, since it is only for sync purposes. In other word currently:
- If my laptop is already connected to Internet (e.g. via LAN or WiFi) then my Hermes can ALSO connect to Internet, via ActiveSync 4.5
- Viceversa, if my Hermes establishes a 3G connection, or GPRS connection, my laptop CANNOT use it to access internet.
If you know how to solve this problem I would greatly appreciated.
Thanks
Saulo

i have winxp pro with AS 4.5 ... and all i have to do is turn on internet sharing on my phone, plug in the cable and im done.. the computer will automatically recognize the phone as a network connection.. and i have tried this on a computer without AS and the computer wouldnt recognize the phone, so it appears that activesync is necessary for sharing (it doesnt sync with internet sharing on, but i believe AS has the drivers that are needed)

By the way I have 2 Italian GSM-UMTS-HSDPA operators: Vodafone and Tim
I have tried. I have set correctly their APN settings: (for tim is ibox.tim.it)
While on Hermes side everything seems fine, (for example Pocket Internet Explorer can open web pages) my laptop cannot use Hermes to access internet, even if ActiveSync connections is established and working (hermes synchronized)
Please help

On Phone goto:
Start ~> Programs ~> Internet Sharing
you should have no problems.

saulo866 said:
By the way I have 2 Italian GSM-UMTS-HSDPA operators: Vodafone and Tim
I have tried. I have set correctly their APN settings: (for tim is ibox.tim.it)
While on Hermes side everything seems fine, (for example Pocket Internet Explorer can open web pages) my laptop cannot use Hermes to access internet, even if ActiveSync connections is established and working (hermes synchronized)
Please help
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on laptop clik activesync icon in the bar and from "setting connections" disable "allow uSB connection"
then do on ppc what Custel abowe wrote

Thanks to all of you!
Following your suggestions now I can connect using my USB link, between Hermes 100 and my laptop, running WinXP.
I did it by first upgrading to Schap WM06 3.3c
Then making the few steps outlined above
My next question is: was anyone succesfull in using Bluetooth, instead of USB link?
I mean, is it possible to access Internet, via Hermes 100 3G-UMTS-HSDPA connection, by connecting laptop and Hermes via Bluetooth?
Thanks again
Saulo866

By the way I noticed that if you use activesync USB link (you do not need to disable USB connection!) that what happens is:
- if you browse internet in your laptop by using Hermes 100 as a UMTS/HSDPA modem the syncing between laptop and Hermes goes down, stops: the device works as a modem but any synchronization stops working. In other words you cannot perform any synchronization (via activesync) or any other operation, like file transfer, while using activesync as a usb-type-link between laptop and Hermes.
Am I right?
Why is that? I mean why cannot I sync my device (or transfer files) and at the same time use my hermes as a 3g-modem for my laptop?
Thanks
Saulo

any clue why this happens? I mean why you cannot sync and browse internet at the same time?

After connecting to the internet via internet sharing, I re-enabled "Allow USB connections" in AS4.5 nut it still wouldn't sync. I guess at the moment we have to be contented with internet sharing w/o being able to sync Hermes and our computer.
A bit OT but has anyone successfully connected to the internet via internet sharing in Vista?

Yes
Yes I have been using Internet Sharing with windows vista successfully. Once it connects there are no problems BUT it doesn always readily connect and often requires a software reset .

I have WM6 Schap's 3.57 on my hermes 300. The internet sharing works great but when I've disconnected my GSM connection while I'm connected to a Wi-Fi network and I try to use "Internet Sharing" I get the message on my phone: "Cannot connect. Ensure that your phone is correctly configured, service is available, and that flight mode is turned off before trying again."
Probably WM thinks I'm in flight mode altough Wi-Fi is connected.
Is there a way around this?
How can you tell if the phone is using the WiFi connection instead of HSPDA/GPRS/EDGE? (Roaming is a bit expensive)
The USB-modem driver worked with WM5. When I start the "Modem Link" program, windows says it found new hardware. I've installed the driver I used with WM5. I tried using it by calling *99# but it didln't work. Should I call a different number with WM6?
Anyone the same problems and/or solutions?

It does work great indeed.. Internet connection sharing..
Except.. when you want to connect to a VPN.
I never had issues with using WM5/Black as modem. But now.. in the HTC Wm6 (official one) only Internet Sharing is left.
Does anyone have a solution for the VPN connection?
Thanks all!
Arnie

saulo866 said:
Thanks to all of you!
Following your suggestions now I can connect using my USB link, between Hermes 100 and my laptop, running WinXP.
I did it by first upgrading to Schap WM06 3.3c
Then making the few steps outlined above
My next question is: was anyone succesfull in using Bluetooth, instead of USB link?
I mean, is it possible to access Internet, via Hermes 100 3G-UMTS-HSDPA connection, by connecting laptop and Hermes via Bluetooth?
Thanks again
Saulo866
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I have successfully connected to the interrnet via the blutetooth connection.
In your Hermes, select "Bluetooth PAN' instead of USB under the "Internet Sharing" "PC Connection".
In your PC, click on the "Join a Persoonal Area Network" under the bluetooth option and slect your device and you are done.
PS: Your device must be paired first.

I've had the same issue when connecting to my companies VPN, I had to connect to the Tytn via Internet Sharing via Bluetooth to use the VPN.
arnoutboer said:
It does work great indeed.. Internet connection sharing..
Except.. when you want to connect to a VPN.
I never had issues with using WM5/Black as modem. But now.. in the HTC Wm6 (official one) only Internet Sharing is left.
Does anyone have a solution for the VPN connection?
Thanks all!
Arnie
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