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If any of you of you guys are like me you've been waiting for BlackBerry connect to work for the blueangel forever. I have downloaded the software and fiddled with it a million times, the fact of the matter is that it only works for Tmobile UK right now. The rest of us are screwed. But there is an alternative, microsoft has recently release pocket MSN, it works exactly like the blackberry web client, except that after the initial 19.99 fee it is completely FREE!!!!!!. Unlike other push email alternatives where although you might get a few months grace period they are pay services. Pocket MSN pushes your hotmail account directly to your phone, and no text messaging BS like activesync AUTD. its actual push email. You can either foward your email to hotmail, or have your hotmail account search you pop mail boxes. And plus since microsft makes the phones operating system and has access to the source codes, Pocket MSN works seamlessly with the phone. Now that I finish telling the benefits, the downsides is the fact that there is no alert sound when an email comes in, or at least I dont know how to set it up. Another downside is the fact the there is no way for it to push you coporate email, unless you foward your coporate email to hotmail, which is a security risk. Another downside is having to create a hotmail account, but then again you have to create a blackberry account when using blackberry web client. The last downside the I can think of is the 19.99 freaking fee!!!, I guess a one time payment is better the monthly payments that most companies charge. Tell me what you guys think, I think its worth though
^-- thanks for the infomation. This would be an asset so long as it isn't a spamware of some kind and as long as I don't get any spams from MSN.
Is there a email server script that would do the same thing if one owns there own unix server? I will research on this, but just in case someone out there knows the answer.
So what your telling me is that:
* Pocket MSN works with my companies Corporate eMail services
* Pocket MSN works with my companies iPager (Interactive Pager) service
* that my companies multi thousand dollar BES infrastructure can utilize Pocket MSN
* That As a message is delivered to the system you get a notification
* That as a message is delivered to a user I get a notification
* As the user reads the message I get a notification
* As the user deletes the message I get a notification
* That it is instant and ready for corporate usage
* That I can attach an intranet link (not InterNET) and the receiving party can then access that link over the PocketMSN network
Or are you telling me that you nor your company do not highly depend on these features..... because ours (Large telecom company) lives, breathes, and dies by these little devices.
Thanks for your advice on PocketMSN, however I WANT and Need Blackberry Connect for Pocket PC, regardless if you are happy with PocketMSN or not.
I hope all that use and depend on the blackberry devices will continue to borrow, test, and hack the software until one of us gets it working. That's what this board is for.
Raptor
Hmm, I don't think Pocket MSN is implying on changing the face of such technology. Some of us home users don't have the capital to run a service such as yours, nor do we even use your network. I am looking for a free altrenative that works correctly with no string attached. The key word is "alternatrive", NOT replacement.
Yes I understand, was just commenting on then first comment to "Stop waiting for BlackBerry connect". I know there are other services (such I am currently using XpressMail), but those of us who are waiting on the Blackberry Connect for Pocket PC...... need just that and no other service will suffice.
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Yes I understand, was just commenting on then first comment to "Stop waiting for BlackBerry connect". I know there are other services (such I am currently using XpressMail), but those of us who are waiting on the Blackberry Connect for Pocket PC...... need just that and no other service will suffice.
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I wasn't aware PocketMSN was pushware. Refuse to pay £20 for the software when it will be free with magneto devices.
Patience on BB - I have been using the latest version, and all indications are that it's mostly good.... as far as BB ever goes on a non-RIM device....
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Might not be BES but still great software
Hey Raptor, yeah ok I understand that if your going to use blackberry to the fullest extent, then pocket MSN or any alternative does not nearly match up. But alot of us only use the most fundamental features of blackberry email, and for that this software seems to be more then enough, as a matter of fact, for those of us who only use blackberry web client, I find Pocket MSN is just as good if not better, paying 20 bucks for the software really sucked especially for a cheap ass like me. But I am not paying any extra monthly fee. Which is good. So this software might not be suitable for your coporate "MEGA" company. But for blackberry Web Client users this software is a great substitute maybe a replacement, I am not sure why microsoft did not offer this for free. Usually when microsoft tries to bully other companies to the ground (Lotus 123, Netscape, Real Audio) they give it away.
Not as cheap as me... Whenever I need to check my Hotmail, I go to http://mobile.msn.com/pocketpc/ and read my Hotmail for free...
Hope the Pocket MSN pushed email feature comes with message notification. If not, it's no better than going to the link above...
For something that's "in the middle groud" try Smartners "always on mail" (www.alwaysonmail.com) 2 months free then $4 per month. True push e-mail, so no need to keep checking e-mail accounts..
To fix the alarm and wake up problems I recommend trying Pockmax AlarmToday and PhoneAlarm (www.pocketmax.net). Great apps and great tech support form Bruce!
For something that's "in the middle groud" try Smartners "always on mail" (www.alwaysonmail.com) 2 months free then $4 per month. True push e-mail, so no need to keep checking e-mail accounts..
To fix the alarm and wake up problems I recommend trying Pockmax AlarmToday and PhoneAlarm (www.pocketmax.net). Great apps and great tech support form Bruce!
Questions About Pocket MSN
For those who have tried Pocket MSN, a few questions:
- How does this app impact battery life?
- Has anybody been able to get audible alerts working?
- Are you positive this does not rely on test messages/autd?
Thanks in advance.
David
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For those who have tried Pocket MSN, a few questions:
- How does this app impact battery life?
- Has anybody been able to get audible alerts working?
- Are you positive this does not rely on test messages/autd?
Thanks in advance.
David
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Does it impact battery life, yes i guess it does. Because technically your leaving your gprs data connection on all the time. But if you compare it to checking your email every ten minutes then its way better. AS for audible alerts i have not been able to figure that out as of yet. And yes i am positive that there are no text messages, it is purely data based
To Raptor - chill out - nobody is planning to take your toys away. We aint curing cancer here.
Thanks for the quick reply. One more question. Do you know whether you can specify a "reply to" address for replying to messages recieved on your device via Hotmail? The reason that I ask is that if I go this route, I will set up a Hotmail account and have it pull my mail from my normal email accounts via POP/IMAP, but when I reply by phone, I don't want the Hotmail address showing. I know that I can do this with the standard Pocket Outlook mailbox and with the autd/exchange solution.
If this works for me, I guess the crappy thing is that it will cost me about 40 bucks. 19 fo Pocket MSN, and then another 19 yearly for Hotmail Plus since, as far as I can tell, Microsoft now makes you get a Plus account if you want to be able to have your Hotmail account pull from POP/IMAP. Kind of crappy, if you ask me. Yahoo!'s free service includes POP/IMAP.
David
Couldn't you just set up a forward from your pop3 account to hotmail?
Yes, forwarding will work. But then if I hit "reply" to the message, it will send the reply to my POP account rather than the actual sender -- at least, that's what I assume will happen.
To Raptor - chill out - nobody is planning to take your toys away. We aint curing cancer here.
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Obviously you do not understand.... with better communications programs we are much closer to curing caner and a host of other diseases....
First of all, a disclaimer I am in no way affiliated with this company.
I just thought to let you know about the fact that I found a company who offers FREE MS Exchange hosting, with 1GB (!) mail storage, with push email for WM5.
After I flashed my unit yesterday, I bumped to this on Google. I signed up, and it seem to work fine. The only catch so far is, that they offer some ads in the webmail, and you cannot access it via POP, but other than that its fully functional. And there seem to be no ads sent to your mobile. (So far)
Its here: http://live.mail2web.com/
Offcourse, you still need to have GPRS data on your phone account, but this is usually much cheaper than to get a blackberry service. At least in Europe it is.
Regards,
Bela
Did you intend to offer up what the name of the service was?
NEVERMIND THIS POST. I was reading too fast. LOL
I think the only negative to mail2web's push mail service is that your email will have to be [email protected], if you want your current email address you'd have to upgrade to a charged account. http://mail.port88.org is an alternative that does provide email masking, you would have to forward your mail to your port88 account. www.emoze.com is another provider, you simply download the software to your pc and phone and it syncs between the two. I haven't tried any myself , you can read the thread on Port88 http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-273878.html. Hope this helps
You can forward all mails from your existing mailbox to go to the mail2web.com account as well.
You can even setup, that the mail2web account fetches your pop or imap mailboxes for you, but only once per hour i think.
I use the forward, that way I have my incoming mails kept in my original pop mailbox, and just auto forward a copy to the mail2web acc.
Regards,
Bela
There was one software which I hoped I could get running on the smartphone, as that was Pocket IRC. I tried and tried (even with SPHelper, there's an adjust option that makes it appear) but no amount of workarounds got it running. I need my DCC, err I want, rather.
Just installed emoze seems to be working very well, will check my GPRS usage online tom to see if used much data through the night, has a built in data counter but want to know over all data.
Will post findings as seems to be a good push mail client.
Please do I'm very interested in your results.
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Please do I'm very interested in your results.
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Well got it all set up but couldn't send mail via client, mind you was silly o'clock i was trying to work it out and my i.s.p online billing off so no way to find out GPRS usage, so will try and get it set up correctly today and see if GPRS usage available, then give you low down.
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Well got it all set up but couldn't send mail via client, mind you was silly o'clock i was trying to work it out and my i.s.p online billing off so no way to find out GPRS usage, so will try and get it set up correctly today and see if GPRS usage available, then give you low down.
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To be hoest i'm rather dubious about data as it has to connect o there server before push and always keep the GPRS connection active...
That's somewhat discouraging. Hmm well I'll have to check it out myself and see if I want my default or what have you
So did you ever end up getting the data usage, as I am just curious to find out how much it uses?
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So did you ever end up getting the data usage, as I am just curious to find out how much it uses?
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No as i couldn't get data usage before install as account offline when tryed to check, so had nothing to be able to check against, aslo i couldn't get it to send not had time to set up again yet, but now have my GPRS usage so will set up again tonight and see what the data usage is like, i know it only uses data to send recieve but it also has to reconnect to server if connection dropped thats the bit i wonda what ammount of data it uses?
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So did you ever end up getting the data usage, as I am just curious to find out how much it uses?
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Edit: given up as must have messed something up on install as evrytime i go to send it kicks the server off, tryed to reinstall but residue left over so i'm giving up as i can't be bothered, worth a try but then maybe instructions on web and having a proper uninstall would help..
Hi All,
Has there been anyone that's successfully got WM6 working with DirectPush email using certificates to log-on to their Exchange 2003 mailboxes? And if so, I'd be really grateful for the steps to take in making this work.
Thanks a lot guys!
Cheers,
DAN
Me
Open Activesync.
Enter server, check use ssl.
Add user/pass/domain/
Get yur mail.
Otherwise, if your cert is not valid or shows expired, you will need to connect one time with Outlook on your PC (I use RPC/HTTPS, I'm fairly confident that this is why the cert was loaded into my PPC local store) and you'll sync.
Then, go into comm manager and enable direct push. It's the icon with the "envelope".
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Hi All,
Has there been anyone that's successfully got WM6 working with DirectPush email using certificates to log-on to their Exchange 2003 mailboxes? And if so, I'd be really grateful for the steps to take in making this work.
Thanks a lot guys!
Cheers,
DAN
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I had to install the certs before entering any information in AS. After I did that, it's worked flawlessly...
Didn't have to do anything but enter my exchange info
Yeah, this feature is no different than WM5.
Most times, its true
That you don't have to do anything but make the connection as I described above.
However, I've had occasions where it didn't "just work" and syncing with the PC corrected the issue.
You should not have to manually install a cert for ActiveSync to work.
Glad it worked the first time for you guys, though.
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You should not have to manually install a cert for ActiveSync to work.
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Hmmm.. I don't believe that's true if the server utilizes a self-signed certificate.
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Otherwise, if your cert is not valid or shows expired, you will need to connect one time with Outlook on your PC (I use RPC/HTTPS, I'm fairly confident that this is why the cert was loaded into my PPC local store) and you'll sync.
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Are you saying A/S will push the appropriate certificate to the device? If so, this is news to me, but maybe they changed A/S to do this. It'd be cool if they did, but probably a bit "unorthodox" security-wise.
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Hmmm.. I don't believe that's true if the server utilizes a self-signed certificate.
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This was the case with my employer. Also, the certs would not work if I had a server configured in AS, I had to first delete the server, install certs and then re-enter my Exchange info.
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This was the case with my employer. Also, the certs would not work if I had a server configured in AS, I had to first delete the server, install certs and then re-enter my Exchange info.
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Yeah, and furthermore some carriers lock their ROM's down quite tightly, thereby making it a royal PITA to install a self-signed cert.
Agreed... but
Like the VZ Q? One guy had a helluva time.
I'm referring to a Verisign cert from my company and with one of my customers. Self signed certs would indeed need to be installed. However, why don't some of the carriers have Verisign as trusted root authorities in their ROMS?
I'm still baffled why some companies would use self signed certs when they are a drop in the bucket. I can see doing it in your own "lab". When I had WM 5 on a K-Jam, I did have my own CA's issued cert for PEAP on WiFi. It was an unlocked device, I'll admit.
Since this forum is under Hermes Mobile 6, I also assume that the experience I had may not apply to everyone, but it worked for me. Sounded like the first post was having the issue I had. And they were signed by a MAJOR trusted root authority.
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Yeah, and furthermore some carriers lock their ROM's down quite tightly, thereby making it a royal PITA to install a self-signed cert.
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Like the VZ Q? One guy had a helluva time.
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Heh, yep, that's the very one I was thinking of... what total ***** those are. Sprint does it too. I hate 'em both for it.
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I'm still baffled why some companies would use self signed certs when they are a drop in the bucket. I can see doing it in your own "lab".
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I use them for my own company's servers because a) I'm a cheap bastard, b) I understand them, and c) I can deal with them easy enough. Granted, it was one of the stupider things M$ came up with and public certs are much easier to deal with. But still not foolproof, as you noted.
Cert Autoenrolment?
All, thank you very very much for your input and suggestion.
That's really weird. For some reason, I tried exactly what you all suggested and it just plain didn't work. Very frustrating. I am told that Cert AutoEnrol only works on WM5 and not in WM6.0? Is that true at all?
Bro,
Got it working,..... show you later .
You need to manually locate the cert using ActiveSync 4.5.
Cheers
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Hi All,
Has there been anyone that's successfully got WM6 working with DirectPush email using certificates to log-on to their Exchange 2003 mailboxes? And if so, I'd be really grateful for the steps to take in making this work.
Thanks a lot guys!
Cheers,
DAN
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By "certificate to log-on" you mean Client certificate on WM6 to log on exchange to avoid maintaining local user pwd in the device ?
If yes export your personal certificate with the private key, copy it to your device double click on it (Yes thanks WM6 this is a new feature). Configure your active-sync IIS virtual directory to require client authentification and it's done.
don't forget you need Root public key of your CA in your device and on your Exchange server.
ps : you will found informations about Direct Push here : www.httpsync.net
My procedure for configuring AS with my Exchange servers
I'm assuming that your Exchange Server's admin has already generated a self-signed certificate. On my PC I install the certificate by going to the server OWA (Outlook Web Access) site, for instance http://mail.myexchangerserver.com/exchange. You should get the certificate notification. View and install the certificate. Exit Internet Explorer and go back to the OWA site and it should go straight to the sign on screen which means you're golden. Exit Internet Explorer.
On XP click on Start, then Run and type mmc <enter> (Vista click on start and type mmc <enter>)
Now click on File / Add/Remove Snap-in. Double click Certificates and accept the default "My User Account" to add the snap-in.
Open the Certificates snap-in, go to Trusted Root Certification Authorities\Certificates and find the certificate that you installed earlier.
Right click, All Tasks and Export to a DER encoded binary X.509 (CER) and save.
Copy the certificate to your device (I put mine on the SC as I flash quite often) and install.
I know there are perhaps easier ways but this is pretty painless and is how I set up the 60 or so WM6 devices that I support.
@ Dr Puttingham: Thanks for posting that procedure. No, I don't believe there's any easier way to deal with a self-signed certificate, at present. Things get particularly interesting when you run into devices whose security is locked down tight (e.g., Verizon Q).
Things get particularly interesting when you run into devices whose security is locked down tight (e.g., Verizon Q)
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Man ain't that the truth.
Hi all,
I am trying out a Desire this weekend, in general like it. I have got the Exchange sync to work for mail, cal & contacts however if I try to access the Company Directory (GAL) or Search the Inbox I get nothing returned.
I downloaded TouchDown to test and this works fine. But I dont want to use a 3rd Party tool for email (or I could have got a Nexus).
Has anybody else seen this error before, or have any idea's? Other wise its mail if back Monday.
Thank for your help.
Peter
Nobody can help
So HTC say, remove the sync and re-create. Does nothing.
Company IT say there are no more settings to change.
Am I the only person that has seen this, I found one other when searching web, but nobody replied.....
As an alternative would look at a GAL address book viewer?
Any help would be great, newbie with the phone and forum.
Whats your Exchange Version? For me with Echange 2010 it works fine.
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Whats your Exchange Version? For me with Echange 2010 it works fine.
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The OWA server and Exchange Server is 2007. Did you have issues in the past?
I have the same issue only with Exchange 2003 (we'll be moving to 2007 soon). Was chuffed to finally get my email working today (firewall and all that) and have realised I can't browse the GAL. Might try Touchdown (although I had installed it before - will it let me use it as a Trial again???)...
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I have the same issue only with Exchange 2003 (we'll be moving to 2007 soon). Was chuffed to finally get my email working today (firewall and all that) and have realised I can't browse the GAL. Might try Touchdown (although I had installed it before - will it let me use it as a Trial again???)...
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I and a colleague of mine have the same problem with Exchange 2003 SP2. GAL search works fine on other phones (i.e. the iPhone).
I've seen people report that it works for them though, so I have no clue what's wrong, but I have an open ticket with HTC on the issue.
Well l'm using touchdown at the moment and it appears to work really well. Everything I could want from a client. Need to see if it is worth $20 though before taking the plunge. HTC Mail is a bit limited in comparison. although the OP doesn't want to buy a third party app I would say that is one of the points of Android that if the stock app doesn't work you can get hold of an app that does...
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xerath said:
I and a colleague of mine have the same problem with Exchange 2003 SP2. GAL search works fine on other phones (i.e. the iPhone).
I've seen people report that it works for them though, so I have no clue what's wrong, but I have an open ticket with HTC on the issue.
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Thanks for the feedback, I also opened a ticket. Seems like very few people have reported this as and issue they either get all or nothing syncing.
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Well l'm using touchdown at the moment and it appears to work really well. Everything I could want from a client. Need to see if it is worth $20 though before taking the plunge. HTC Mail is a bit limited in comparison. although the OP doesn't want to buy a third party app I would say that is one of the points of Android that if the stock app doesn't work you can get hold of an app that does...
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I tried Touchdown, the issuethat I have is that the calander is then not combined which I really do like as a feature, and as far as I can see I cant just use it for email and get it to link to the standard apps I have to use it for contacts and Cal as well.
Same for me. I am syncing mails, calendar and contacts without any problems. Only company directory does not work.
I think it is not a connection problem. It is always telling me that nobody could be found. That is even happening when network connections are disabled. So it seems if this tool does not even try to connect.
Thats interesting, I did not try turning off the comm's, so at least it points to a software issue then. More hope HTC might fix it.
I think there may be an issue with contacts lookup via GAL/ Exchange 2003 on HTC STOCK Mail app. nothing shows up.
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I had the same problem running Exchange 2003
GAL becomes inaccessible if security profiles are enabled ("Enforce password on device", etc..) and "Allow access to devices that do not fully support password settings" is disabled.
A bad workaround is to enable "Allow access to devices that do not fully support password settings", but that may prevent you from remotely wiping some devices and prevent some devices from initializing security profiles.
A better workaround is to add your account to the exceptions list. Doing that will enable access to GAL but disable the exchange lock screen.
I believe this is happening because either Android 2.1 or HTC mail application either doesn't support Exchange security profiles completely, or doesn't report them correctly.
Hi all, we have a product that might be of interest to you called GALSync Server. Unfortunately I can't post a URL but I'm sure you can find it with a bit of Googling.
It works by sync'ing a copy of the GAL into selected users' Exchange mailboxes which ActiveSync or BES then syncs in turn to the user's device. Works with iPhone or Windows Mobile.
We love it.
But we would wouldn't we.
Thanks for your time!
Slipstream Solutionts
Thanks for the heads up, however its not what I am looking for:
1. You dont support Android from what I can tell.
2. I have to get the company to set it up.
I was hoping to either fix the HTC sync or an app on the handset that can get access.
Thanks
Agree with baronb. HTC needs to fix this issue. Corp IT Administrators will not make exceptions to their security settings. Also, I know from using Touchdown by Nitrodesk that it does, and CAN work.
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I talked with HTC hot desk who were not very helpful and seemed to have lost my previous information. They said I should wait for an update!
At this point I am starting to look at alternatives as the lack of GAL for me while on the road was an issue last week.
Is there any more info on this one? I am having this bug too and it is the only thing stopping me from recommending the Desire as a suitable phone for my company to use for all staff right now!
Nothing, yet will bug Hotdesk again this week. The more people to log the error maybe the faster they will fix it.....+44 8458900079
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Nothing, yet will bug Hotdesk again this week. The more people to log the error maybe the faster they will fix it.....+44 8458900079
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Thanks for that. Will get myself on the phone later!
Probably like many of my colleagues blessed with the job of supporting these shiny new phones, I'm coming under increasing pressure to find an Exchange solution that actually works... I have therefore started the process of evaluating Nitrodesk's TouchDown to see if it provides a better solution.
I will report my findings in this thread and I invite others to do the same. We need to know if, for the corporate user, the $20 fee is not only worth it but necessary.
Yes, do it.
Just getting back on this. Generally speaking, it was a no-brainer. Touchdown works. The built in client doesn't.
Couple of niggles:
Touchdown seems to have a larger storage requirement.
Contacts have to be copied (a one-time manual operation) to the phone before you get all the benefits of contact sync.
Massive array of settings and options may be slightly overwhelming for some users although generally they can be ignored.
Emails can only be composed in plain text. Ditto signatures. Rendering of HTML emails received is good though.
Apart from that, Touchdown is better in almost every respect (once you get used to the change of interface).
Interesting take.
I'm using a Desire with the stock sync apps connecting into Exchange 2007 at work and Gmail for home. Everything worked out of the box (well, email, contacts, calendar). I miss being able to search the server, but the functionality works pretty much flawlessly....at least as good as my old WM6 smartphone, anyway The built in calendar is awesome...I love having a single calendar showing items from three different accounts!
What doesn't work for you in the built-in client? Your blanket "the built-in client doesn't work" is a little harsh, to say the least...
Daern
The only thing i don't like about the exchange sync is that i can't seem to subscribe to my folders within my mailbox that I can if i set it up as an IMAP account. Other than that, the inbuilt one does everything that I want it to
Yep built in HTC mail client working quite well for me as well for exchange sync. Mail/Calendar/Contacts plus lookup on corporate address book all working with no problems to report.
Didn't see the need to switch to touchdown though I did give it a try. It did not bring anything extra to the table.
My exchange account for gmail used tu work ok but the last few days it won't connect to the server and so I've deleted the account and re entered the server settings etc and I just get a failed to create account message.
Anyone got any ideas? I'm Considering touchdown, but does it have a widget?
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Contacts have to be copied (a one-time manual operation) to the phone before you get all the benefits of contact sync.
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Your blanket "the built-in client doesn't work" is a little harsh, to say the least...
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There have been quite a few threads prior to this with testimonies of the broken DirectPush/ActiveSync/Exchange implementation. There also appears to be a fault in the IMAP client. I accept that these faults may possibly affect some environments more than others (for example, we're currently on Exchange 2003 - due to upgrade to 2010 later this year) but given the wide variety of installed userbases out there, I would have expected HTC's testing to be considerably more rigourous.
Given that the phone is touted as having DirectPush/Exchange capabilities, that puts it squarely in the corporate market. And sorry, but the corporate market it quite unforgiving of deal-breaking flaws such as the ones users here have reported. An example from my own organisation: a couple of very senior managers were hit by the "multiple re-send" bugs, causing their hapless recipients to receive hundreds (yes, hundreds) of copies of some emails. Given the personalities involved, this became more than a little embarrassing. not least because one of the users was the director of our I.T. department. ("What, your phone is broken? Guffaw guffaw!")
I totally agree that the built in calendar was a great feature. In fact one of the most awesome things about the phone was the way it pulled together diverse information streams together. Sadly we have to forego this in order to have a working corporate setup that includes task sync as well as everything else.
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Yes, actually it has several. The "universal" widget is great - quick and easy access to email, calendar, contacts and tasks all on one screen. Plus a load of quick shortcuts etc. Very usable.
@omniwolf: within Touchdown-->Contacts-->Menu is a "Copy To Phone" option. This needs to be done once so that the phone has all Exchange contacts within its own database. Then within Settings-->Advanced, tick "Update Contact changes to Phone" {save} to keep everything in sync. You'll see that your phone's contacts acquire an additional group, "TouchDown-Exchange".
I have the problem and are now using Touchdown.
We have Exchange 2003 and reading various reports from users that the problems dont exist if connecting to newer versions of exchange.
The main problem for us is the inability to search the GAL (Company Directory) I also had strange email sending problems as others have reported.
Touchdown works but is not as cleanly integrated into the phone as the inbuilt client.
Try using Moxier instead
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Try using Moxier instead
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Does Moxier have better integration?
Rob Pomeroy said:
Does Moxier have better integration?
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Unfortunately not - separate contacts/calendar/email client
I've only had my Desire for a say or so and used Touchdown from the start after advice from a colleague (and after reading so many online posts about problems with the native client).
I have to say, it's working really well so far. Small problem with contact birthdays and anniversaries being 1 day out, but the developer got back to me same day and advised a fix will be out next week. Impressive.
Certainly better than the WinMo implementation of Exchange support ActiveSync just slowed down my Touch Pro 2 to the point of being unusable. On the Desire, it's burning rubber.
I couldn't be happier; confident to recommend Touchdown as a reliable alternative (after a day or so of use, I'll let you know if that changes but no reason to suspect it will).
Pete
Rob Pomeroy said:
Just getting back on this. Generally speaking, it was a no-brainer. Touchdown works. The built in client doesn't.
Couple of niggles:
Touchdown seems to have a larger storage requirement.
Contacts have to be copied (a one-time manual operation) to the phone before you get all the benefits of contact sync.
Massive array of settings and options may be slightly overwhelming for some users although generally they can be ignored.
Emails can only be composed in plain text. Ditto signatures. Rendering of HTML emails received is good though.
Apart from that, Touchdown is better in almost every respect (once you get used to the change of interface).
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I beg to differ on the plain text front. The emails are composed and responded to in html.
I had no problem with the built in clients with an Exchange 2007 server, but I hated the fact that it only let me respond with text in Times New Roman 10pt when Outlook uses Calibri 11pt as a standard. So I switched to Touchdown, which allows you to set the font in the settings.
Been using it live for a bit more than a week now and am mighty impressed. Well worth the investment to not make it blaringly obvious that I'm answering my emails from the phone when I'm not in my office.
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I beg to differ on the plain text front. The emails are composed and responded to in html.
I had no problem with the built in clients with an Exchange 2007 server, but I hated the fact that it only let me respond with text in Times New Roman 10pt when Outlook uses Calibri 11pt as a standard. So I switched to Touchdown, which allows you to set the font in the settings.
Been using it live for a bit more than a week now and am mighty impressed. Well worth the investment to not make it blaringly obvious that I'm answering my emails from the phone when I'm not in my office.
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I am surprised you find this a big deal especially when MOST mobile corporate mail user are armed with Blackberries that reply in plain text and actually advertise by default "sent from my Blackberry".
In this day and age, it is perfectly acceptable if not expected that you will have your email with you on the move. Don't try and hide the fact, shout about it so your customers can see how up to date you are.
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You are supposed to be cubicle bound and are sneaking out of the office hoping nobody will notice
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I am surprised you find this a big deal especially when MOST mobile corporate mail user are armed with Blackberries that reply in plain text and actually advertise by default "sent from my Blackberry".
In this day and age, it is perfectly acceptable if not expected that you will have your email with you on the move. Don't try and hide the fact, shout about it so your customers can see how up to date you are.
Unless....
You are supposed to be cubicle bound and are sneaking out of the office hoping nobody will notice
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Blackberry is a uniquely American affair that only recently began making headway in the rest of the world. They were the first to offer pushmail, but now that's ubiquitous and their solution requires servers at the operator which delayed things internationally. Now that numerous free solutions are available and Exchange offers html email support, it's just silly not to use it. Ultimately I think the user should be able to decide how his or her email looks and I for one think having the same look and feel across the board for email, regardless whether desktop or mobile gives a much more professional impression. Not only that, but many people find fonts like Times New Roman difficult to read.
For my part, I'm a freelancer and do most of my work odd hours and weekends, while I receive all my orders from 8-6. That means that I'm often out and about or can't be bothered to crack open the laptop just to answer an email, but I still want to be able to offer a polished impression - not have any potentially dislectic client have to struggle to read my email, or worse, have the guy shackled to a desk deciding whether or not to give me a huge assignment thinking that I'm always out playing (especially since I average 70 hours a week, though not always during the business day).
Moreover, it's not rocket science to implement this kind of option, just a single line of html inserted into the emails sent. It shouldn't be difficult to provide this to customers and I'm glad Touchdown realised this.
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Blackberry is a uniquely American affair that only recently began making headway in the rest of the world.
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I am not sure what country you are in but certainly in Europe BB is huge and has been for at least the last 5 or 6 years. Here in the UK, I cannot think of any of the FTSE100 companies I work with for who BB is the primary mobile email solution.
They were the first to offer pushmail, but now that's ubiquitous and their solution requires servers at the operator which delayed things internationally. Now that numerous free solutions are available and Exchange offers html email support, it's just silly not to use it
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I tend to agree but BB is embeded in corporate land and is going to take a lot of shifting
Ultimately I think the user should be able to decide how his or her email looks
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Only if it is the users own email. Remember that most mobile email users are using their companies mail platform so it is the companies choice not theirs.