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After examining the Voip.CAB I can post some consideration:
The Voip cab provides some dlls, an xml file and add some reg values, no exe to run. There is no way to use SIP features until we get a Radio rom wm6 version.
the dlls interacts with the RADIO rom, giving the apropriate setting in the Options screen of Phone setting, and they give the Today plugin too.
The ipdialplan.xml is the Dial Plan that owr Phone app will use to know when it must use regular GSM line or IP phone service, taking a look inside you will see the patterns and the standard SIP "Dial" command (Advanced users of sjphone will easily understand), example: for calling user 911 on the server microsoft.com you'll use Dial command like: SIP:[email protected]
By now, the only thing that we need is an interface.
Maybe Microsoft has decided to put SIP features to their standard Phone app, and I agree with this, because this will be more simple to use and trasparent to the user: The Dialplan will decide about the LCR (Low Cost Routing)
Hope to see a Radio-wm6-rom capable soon ,)
Bummer!
The main reason I flashed my ROM was that I thought there was an integrated SIP client!
So do you think when this happens we will only need to reflash the radio ROM?
I reeeeealy need this as SJPhone is OK but not integrated and a bit of a bloat...
Maybe
I heard about a Chinese Radio Rom that came with the vanilla version of the WM6 build that many of us have flashed.. If I could get it..
VOIP
Just use Skype, works fine!
Cheers, Leo
Well, thanks for that constructive answer... It's as if someone was asking for a way to get his car running with a missing part and you say "Why, just use a motorbike!" Sure, Skype gets the job done, but it is years away from being a flexible and truly usable solution on the PPC. And that's putting it nicely. Skype is just a pain to use for any serious mobile telephony. An integrated SIP client with the capability to choose the provider I want beats Skype to the bandwidth hogging pulp that it really is. So let's all hope that there will be a radio rom that allows us to use SIP soon ~
Ooops!
Sorry about that, sometimes I can be such aaa....
It wasn't my intention!
Cheers, Leo
Falk said:
Well, thanks for that constructive answer... It's as if someone was asking for a way to get his car running with a missing part and you say "Why, just use a motorbike!" Sure, Skype gets the job done, but it is years away from being a flexible and truly usable solution on the PPC. And that's putting it nicely. Skype is just a pain to use for any serious mobile telephony. An integrated SIP client with the capability to choose the provider I want beats Skype to the bandwidth hogging pulp that it really is. So let's all hope that there will be a radio rom that allows us to use SIP soon ~
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Skype
I agree, it would be nice to have the SIP client.
But I find it unfair to criticize Skype. Has any of you tried the latest version (2.2) on a Wizard running WM6. It's amazingggggggg. Works smoothly and has far more options than will any SIP client for quiet many years...
Ciao,
Antoine
Please!
Vox (HTC S710) is a new smartphone and I just ordered one.
+1 (my one is the SPV E650)
Hi, I would be interested in a forum for the htc s710 too!
I would like that too, got my s710 yesterday
btw, did you get a pouch for yours? The manual says there should be one but my vendor say that's an error in the manual.
I didnt get mine,
does voip work on the vox?
Yes i use Skype : it runs well.
what I mean is the in-built voip/sip module?
not voip with additional third-party software.
skype is using (as far as i know) their own "SIP" protocol which is not compatible with the SIP like for example used with asterisk or other open source sip servers.
I was wondering if the in-build voip module in windows mobile 6 is running on vox and maybe even if it could be used with asterisk SIP Server?
sorry for the confusion.
I just got my vox today (HTC S710) its pretty amazing. Yeh I'd like to get voip working too but I fear it might only work on pocket pcs. One thing that is slightly bugging me is when you go in landscape the screen gets a bit blurry because the cleartype isn't designed for horizontal pixels.
Could you please please check if:
>the Internet Calling today item is available as well as the following files in the \Windows directory:
>
> *
> * ipdialplan.xml
> * dnsapi.dll
> * voipphonecanvas.dll
> * rtcdll.dll
Internet Calling is an integral part of WM6 and should be there.
Im going to order a vox on monday, its essential for me that it has voip integrated.
No it doesn't have any of those files. Perhaps they can be added in a similar way to how they can be added to the cooked wm6 roms for the hermes when the chefs removed voip because they thought it wasnt working.
Right, who do we PM to get them to make a forum?
Look, I even made a wiki page
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Vox
thanks for the fast answer.
a Vox forum would be nice, we need to find out how to add voip functionality, it must work somehow and it should be easy, because there is a hp smartphone based on windows mobile standard upcomming, which has voip running:
here is the article:
http://www.mobiletopsoft.com/board/...ile-standard-smartphone-unveiled-at-3gsm.html
Hi i start a little thread :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=303330
I informed the admins of the need of a Vox forum.
Hopefully Flar will create it for you soon.
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I informed the admins of the need of a Vox forum.
Hopefully Flar will create it for you soon.
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Great!! Thanks
thanks
Hi All,
The Vox forum is now open for posting in the smartphones section.
No image is added yet if anyone has a good full frontal picture please mail it to the webmaster account
Greetz,
Flar
HI!
I have installed Black Majik and skype. Skype Work fine when i loggin but when making call is freeze for 30sec then back to Homescreen and signed off
Does anyone have this problem?
weasley said:
HI!
I have installed Black Majik and skype. Skype Work fine when i loggin but when making call is freeze for 30sec then back to Homescreen and signed off
Does anyone have this problem?
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Are you using the latest version? If so there's your problem... no voice support. You need to go back and download the previous beta version which supports voice calls on a Hermes. You need Beta version 2.2.0.20. PM if you can´t find it.
weasley said:
HI!
I have installed Black Majik and skype. Skype Work fine when i loggin but when making call is freeze for 30sec then back to Homescreen and signed off
Does anyone have this problem?
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Skype Working in WM6 - Skype v2.2.0.20
Skype Not Working in WM6 - Skype v2.2.0.36
download Skype v2.2.0.20
http://www.vario2.w8w.pl/SkypeForPocketPC_Beta.exe
Anyone have a CAB installer for this?
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Anyone have a CAB installer for this?
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It's CAB for You (Skype v2.2.0.20)
http://www.vario2.w8w.pl/\SkypeMobilePPC.CAB
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Skype Working in WM6 - Skype v2.2.0.20
Skype Not Working in WM6 - Skype v2.2.0.36
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Boy, that's strange. I'm running 2.2.0.20 under Black Shadow with no problems (over wi-fi and 3G). I presume Skype don't realise that they have made this mistake with the latest build?
Simply meaningless!!
bobbyelliott said:
Boy, that's strange. I'm running 2.2.0.20 under Black Shadow with no problems (over wi-fi and 3G). I presume Skype don't realise that they have made this mistake with the latest build?
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Skype is surely aware of the problem. Although they are still using pictures of skype running on TYTN on website, they have the following explanation in knowledge base. I think a guy from samsung did stg bad to someone from skype I can't think of a rational explanation for this situation. Supporting a processor in a beta release (which works smoothly) and realizing that it did actually not support that processor in the next release, Bull****.
From Sype:
"If you have a device with ARM 9 v4 Processor for example: 32bit Samsung: S3C2410, SC32442 and S3C2440, or IntelStrong ARM SA-1110, then calling is not supported by Skype for Windows Mobile in the 2.2 Gold Release. However, you will still be able to use chat to keep in touch with your contacts.
Below is a list of devices that only support chat. Note that this list is not complete as new devices are released all the time. All devices identical in construction to the ones below will support chat functionality:
• E-TEN Glofiish X500
• E-TEN InfoTouch M500
• E-TEN InfoTouch M600
• E-TEN M700
• Hewlett-Packard iPAQ rx5900 Series
• Hewlett-Packard rx4000 Series
• Hewlett-Packard iPAQ rx3700 Series
• HTC TyTN
• HTC P3600
• i-mate JASJAM
• Qtek 9600
• SPV M700
• MDA Vario II / v1605
• 8525 / M3100 / Trion
• Dopod D810
• Dopod 838
• Dopod P100
• Acer n311
• Mitac Mio P550 Digi-Walker"
Hold onto that working beta release!
The crazy thing is that it works pretty well - I've had "proper" conversations with someone from Spain (from the UK).
An explanation to why skype does not support V4
Quotation from skype forum from user Touche
"This is my 5 cents: If you look at the About dialog on the Skype for Windows Mobile 2.2, you'll notice that it says that it uses the HelloSoft voice engine. This engine does not seem to support the ARM v4 instruction set, since it crashes on all devices with that CPU. They probably use some of the v5 specific instructions in order to speed up the codec. The older versions of Skype for Windows mobile used the GIPS voice engine (also according the about dialog), which worked on almost all devices, but on the other hand was much slower than the HelloSoft engine.
Now, it seems that Skype for all other platforms has stopped using the GIPS voice engine and migrated to Skype's own one instead. That might be the reason why GIPS is no longer used in the Windows Mobile devices."
bobbyelliott said:
Boy, that's strange. I'm running 2.2.0.20 under Black Shadow with no problems (over wi-fi and 3G). I presume Skype don't realise that they have made this mistake with the latest build?
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I have WM6 Black Majik on my 8525 (cingular) and I downloaded the version from the link in this thread and installed it however I am unable to make phone calls I was using 2.2.0.18 and I could make calls only on Wifi but not on 3G so I tried this one - with this one calling is grayed out completely Any ideas? Maybe I need to keep using .18 but need something to get it to work on 3G? I am able to browse the web with no probs.
PS - never mind, a reboot seems to have fixed the issue
Hello guys
I'll be the first to admit this is a newbie question, but I don't have the energy to try every ROM and every SIP solution, can someone recommend a WM6 SIP solution thats working for them, ideally I want to use the built in WM6 SIP system as an additional app is just a bit clumsy.
Cheers, this information is invaluable for a lot of people I imagine, I want to go install AX3Ls but it mentions it doens't do SIP.
Thanks again
Ed
With a 30 secs search, you would have found (among others) this, for the native SIP capabiliy:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316853&highlight=shaps
For an external, more complete and stable application, try Sjphone -> google
riri22 said:
With a 30 secs search, you would have found (among others) this, for the native SIP capabiliy:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=316853&highlight=shaps
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This is just a voip config tool, package is missing over there.
And even if this guy is at his first post, his question is a good question and I can not answer: I don't know any rom for trinity with a serious voip capability.
Ciao
Is the VOIP support built into every build of WM6 then? You just need to install a cab and config tool to get it up and running?
I'd really like to here peoples experiences, I'm not aiming for anything to adventurous just want it to hook up to a voip service when it sees my wifi.
Cheers
Ed
edpgc said:
Is the VOIP support built into every build of WM6 then? You just need to install a cab and config tool to get it up and running?
I'd really like to here peoples experiences, I'm not aiming for anything to adventurous just want it to hook up to a voip service when it sees my wifi.
Cheers
Ed
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You can find a post full of reply here with a lot of information...
I'm still using fring for voip calls because with trinity and wm6 there is a problem with a driver. But some people say voip is fully functional for them.. but as to me they don't really use it.
Voip support in built into wm6, but OEM have to provide their drivers and dopod didn't released it.
Ciao
claros said:
This is just a voip config tool, package is missing over there.
And even if this guy is at his first post, his question is a good question and I can not answer: I don't know any rom for trinity with a serious voip capability.
Ciao
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The package of dll etc. is already present on wm6. Most of the people who dont see it is because they haven't activated their explorer to see all files. But if you think it's necessary for some ROM, not the Dopod one I can confirm, the wm6VoIP.cab package is everywhere on the forum...
Nobody said his question was bad or wrong, I just said that a universal config tool and feature package was available on the forum, and findable after a quick search.
As far as which ROM is best for VoIP, I think nobody has tried the hundred of ROM available to give an objective and comprehensive answer.
As far as I am concerned, I tried VoIP on only one ROM, the dopod one. It works not too bad, but just as a complementary feature as he said himself.
Third party's sofware with all the complete package and optimisation will always works better. That's why I suggested Sjphone...
Anything wrong with me answering that?
I'm using fring as well at the moment. It's pretty cool. Works with skype too!
I've heard that Fring wasn't working on Trinity, due to mic problems.
Can you confirm that the other person can hear you well, when calling landlines with Fring?
(using Fring SIP features)
riri22 said:
The package of dll etc. is already present on wm6. Most of the people who dont see it is because they haven't activated their explorer to see all files. But if you think it's necessary for some ROM, not the Dopod one I can confirm, the wm6VoIP.cab package is everywhere on the forum...
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Hum...
I never use explorer.... Actually I don't have an official dopod rom but I can do a search on all the files on the extracted rom. Please have a look at the attachment.
Ciao
never heard of fring until now, its very neat, a bit cosmetically confused, but should be a very neat solution!
claros said:
Hum...
I never use explorer.... Actually I don't have an official dopod rom but I can find a search on all the included files on the extracted rom. Please have a look at the attachment
Ciao
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Yeah, I see that. But all I can say is that, once installed, when I browse the windows main directory, I can find all the files listed as necessary for the native SIP feature to work.
ipdialplan.xml
dnsapi.dll
voipphonecanvas.dll
rtcdll.dll
Dopod SEA inside
But that's not the point anyway, as I said, there are something like 10 differents threads that includes the pack wm6voip.cab for those who don't have the sip files natively. And it's findable with a 30 secs search...
But u'll need also the configuration tool to set up your sip account.
riri22 said:
I've heard that Fring wasn't working on Trinity, due to mic problems.
Can you confirm that the other person can hear you well, when calling landlines with Fring?
(using Fring SIP features)
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It is still a beta I think but seem to work, even if it is very slow especially if you have a lot of contacts to import. But sjphone doesn't have this feature.
Both (fring and sjphone) lacks of dialplan and number rewriting rules.
I think you have installed vm6voip in your dopod, so you can find voip files. If we had a really working rtcdll.dll for trinity we shouldn't use such programs for internet telephony. If you think I'm wrong, please post your rtcdll.dll so I can check version and functions.
As to me Dopod, as a gsm carrier, didn't provide this package for customers. I hope in the future htc wwe release it will be present.
Ciao
claros said:
It is still a beta I think but seem to work, even if it is very slow especially if you have a lot of contacts to import. But sjphone doesn't have this feature.
Both (fring and sjphone) lacks of dialplan and number rewriting rules.
I think you have installed vm6voip in your dopod, so you can find voip files. If we had a really working rtcdll.dll for trinity we shouldn't use such programs for internet telephony. If you think I'm wrong, please post your rtcdll.dll so I can check version and functions.
As to me Dopod, as a gsm carrier, didn't provide this package for customers. I hope in the future htc wwe release it will be present.
Ciao
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I've never said native SIP was working great on Trinity, I've just said the contrary: as the first poster of the thread stated, it can only be an alternative solution, but the third parties software (with all features AND optimizations included will always work better)
The reason is very simple:
It's not only a matter of rtcdll, it has more to do with the settings, specially the codecs one.
It is possible to fix though, but then It requires many additional tweaks, and I don't think it's worth the effort, since the third parties sofwares are there and working.
P.S.: I don't understand why you are so insistant on one file...
there are 4 of them dedicated to native SIP service. As I said, I think I had them all, before installing wm6voip.cab patches.
But the point is for any one missing one of them, or leazy to check, there are 10 wm6voip.cab on this forum to get them all installed in one click.
As I stated before: wm6voip.cab, and several SIP configuration tools are available on the forum.
After trying some of them, I like the shap's one and suggested it to the author of the thread.
But I confirm: none of them as perfect-already-ready-sound-quality
U need to tweak your codecs, according to your SIP provider requirements.
claros said:
It is still a beta I think but seem to work, even if it is very slow especially if you have a lot of contacts to import. But sjphone doesn't have this feature.
Both (fring and sjphone) lacks of dialplan and number rewriting rules.
I think you have installed vm6voip in your dopod, so you can find voip files. If we had a really working rtcdll.dll for trinity we shouldn't use such programs for internet telephony. If you think I'm wrong, please post your rtcdll.dll so I can check version and functions.
As to me Dopod, as a gsm carrier, didn't provide this package for customers. I hope in the future htc wwe release it will be present.
Ciao
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I don't think so.
For having tried both, I can confirm Fring do have number rewriting rules. It works great.
(my sip provider requires the numbers to start with 00. My contacts are recorded with + not 00.
Therefore, when I use the regular dialpad and native SIP features, it gives me an error.
But when I use Fring, it convert the numbers automatically, and and I can call through.
My only concern with Fring, was to make sure that the other person can hear me when I use the SIP features.
I don't have the confirmation. When I use the test call feature, It doesn't seem to hear me and cannot record my voice.
Since my account is not credited (big bug with the provider console on the net) I can't make sure about it.
Except if there is someone using voipbdiscount wanting to test.
Bye
I found that fring works fine. I haven't tried sip through it as yet but the fring test call worked fine (test call is just like the Skype test call).
It is pretty easy to download and test it anyway. Very easy to set up. I tried some other sip software recently and found them all far too complex to get up and running.
Thanks for the info.
I may try again and see whether or not the test-call feature can record my voice this time.
Yeah, Fring is simple to set up and it's great to have msn/skype/and sip provider in the same interface.
I strongly disagree that the Trinity problem is codec related. I tried different VOIP solutions with 4 SIP providers and NONE of them gave me reliable results.
I still hope the final HTC WM6 will include proper VOIP since I seriously doubt your "its the codec's fault"-story.
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I strongly disagree that the Trinity problem is codec related. I tried different VOIP solutions with 4 SIP providers and NONE of them gave me reliable results.
I still hope the final HTC WM6 will include proper VOIP since I seriously doubt your "its the codec's fault"-story.
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Sorry but inside the official european tytn wm6 there is no voip support.
As tytn and trin are brother I dubt voip will be supported on an official htc european rom, if any...
As to me, from past investigations, the problem is on an audio driver that can not access the system speaker, but the system modify itself after first use and I cant understand why...
I've found some device identifier in the registry under RTC, seem to work only by earpiece and locks if I try to use a bt earpiece..
Can't remember anything else, and I haven't enough time to investigate more...
Ciao
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Hi all,
is there any application to use SIP on wp7 ? I use Jumblo.com sip. So what should i do to use voip on my phone ? I can use other one but couldn't fnd one except voxofon. Vfon is very expensive :S
Thanks.
You can't modify or replace the SIP. VOIP is limited with the restrictions 3rd party developers have.
most of voip services have this thig to use their voip. they have sip proxy. so you can use that if your program support sip
so is sip build in to wp7 os?
DocMAX said:
so is sip build in to wp7 os?
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yes i saw an article talk about it,wp7 support SIP
http://bit.ly/ii7Vv5