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i want to get as many ppl on this band wagon.... DOnt buy any new ppcs.. lets wait it out and try to get companys like o2,vodafone,qtek and imate to give us 2005 upgrades...
i figure if we dont buy..they might just give in...
BTW: applause to HP and dell for the upgrades
Hello!
Do we know that they are NOT gonna offer this upgrade to us?
Björn
well not sure about s and i
but somebody did get some reply to a mail that 1.72 was the last
rom for xdaII from o2 or something
actually no confirmation yet.. but judging from the support or lack of it more to the point from imate etc.. i can safely assume they will not..
plus the best defence is a good offence..
Hello!
Why is everybody complaining about the support? What has happend?
Björn
I'm having trouble understanding how 2005 can realistically work properly on an XDA2...
isn't it a bit like putting XP on a PentiumII 333?
Ant
well newer pda's with 2005 is not that more powerfull then xda2's
cpu speed or memory have not really skyrocket'd that much
newer devices just come with wifi really and maybe 500Mhz cpu's insted of 400
and VGA
RE
I would be happy if O2 gives my O2 XDA II the WM2003SE upgrade... with a small fee though.
What makes you think they would provide the WM2005 upgrade?
I think O2 is trying to monopolize the market.
@zohaer21: i can agree on your frustration cause the product is not made compatible with other types then the xdaII, coincidentally the type being used the most probably and being modified to the rightful end-owners wishes use, likely against the wishes of the developers.
WM2k5 is launched but forgot to mention that at this moment it's only available for a certain type of mobile phone. Which type of wm2k5 is being discussed and described on all the sites? Neato.
Applause to HP & Dell indeed. Their prices are the same as XDA types yet their upgrades on software... ohlala, what a difference.
@WaspWorld: reading many informational sites on Mobile phones, it's more like one local/geographical user will have luck and another can bite the dust, which is wrong yes. Try finding a general QTek support site, you'll end up biting the dust paying more where you bought it.
@ Anton: from what I've been reading here, wm2k5 runs smooth on an xdaII. Isn't more like it's built with more extras, so the end-user would be obliged to buy a new phone because the current phone doesn't support it? Remember the fact that it's (new) software with new 'features'.
I could get XP running on a PentiumI 200MMX, sluggish system but it ran ok, bugged out the non-necessities and it ran better.
@Rudegar: true, so it's not that the xdaII isn't up for wm2k5.
by not upgrading ?
they dont make their money selling the devices
since the device cost alot more if you dont get it
with a cellphoen subscription
so they are spending money when people buy their phones
of cause they plan on making even more on the subscription
the reason i think they would not offer the upgrade is because of
the support cost it would bring yet another platform for their tech's to
advice people about how to get working and how to get working like their old nokia worked and ....
and about monopolize then i guess that depend on where you are
because they are not present here at all
@Rudegar: so true. That's why large OEM companies like HP & Dell have such a large support staff. For the rest of them like most of use are subject to, it's tougher to provide excellent support. I guess that's one of the major reasons for the existence of this forum.
I think they will never offer an uograde to make us looking always for the missing things as I am sure they will never offer us the device of our dreams. there will be always something missing to look forward to buy it when they offer it in a new device lacking some other things,... and so on
Folks,
Sorry if this is real basic stuff, but hey we all gotta start somewhere!!
Work is buying me a O2 Orbit for some development (actually buying 2) and I have just a handful of questions that I'd really appreciate an answer.
1) Is The Artemis 3300 the same name for the 02 Orbit? I'm 99.9% it is, but some big-headed person I work with is causing all sorts of grief saying the phone must be a genuine Artemis 3300 and the Orbit is a cut down version. True or false?
2) Is the GPS on it Magellan / Garmin compliant?
3) OK, touchy one this, I'm hearing great reports about Crossbow and want to know if 'flashing' the WM5 ROM that comes with the O2 Orbit is legal or not (don't worry, I'm not clean cut, just don't want to cause any problems with the boss!). And likewise, if I mess up the installation, is it easy to revert back to WM5?
In a nutshell, we've a dozon or so bespoke programs for SmartPhones, all developed on a SPV M3000. These SPV's are getting old now, cracked, chipped, damaged and the O2 Orbit looks perfect (especially as we're just doing GPS stuff, hence why I ask if it's Magellan / Garmin compliant).
Whilst WM5 is still widespread, naturally it would be an advantage to use the latest technology and to ensure compatibility (have one Orbit running WM5 and the other running WM6), but obviously need some roll-back if things go wrong.
Would really appreciate some feedback before I make a purchase.
Cheers.
Folks,
Sorry if this is real basic stuff, but hey we all gotta start somewhere!!
Work is buying me a O2 Orbit for some development (actually buying 2) and I have just a handful of questions that I'd really appreciate an answer.
1) Is The Artemis 3300 the same name for the 02 Orbit? I'm 99.9% it is, but some big-headed person I work with is causing all sorts of grief saying the phone must be a genuine Artemis 3300 and the Orbit is a cut down version. True or false?
No, the orbit is not a cut down version
2) Is the GPS on it Magellan / Garmin compliant?
Its a std Pocket PC serial emulated GPS feed. All pocket PC software that works with WM5 would work.
3) OK, touchy one this, I'm hearing great reports about Crossbow and want to know if 'flashing' the WM5 ROM that comes with the O2 Orbit is legal or not (don't worry, I'm not clean cut, just don't want to cause any problems with the boss!). And likewise, if I mess up the installation, is it easy to revert back to WM5?
O2 has not released an updated ROM for the Orbit, let alone an update to WM6 (crossbow). It is very unusual for providers to provide an update to a major version of Windows on a current model, so would assume this won't happen. Flashing an WM device with an unlicensed OS is technicaly not legal. In terms of reverting back, it is easy unless you have screwed the boot rom, in which case you have a new brick
In a nutshell, we've a dozon or so bespoke programs for SmartPhones, all developed on a SPV M3000. These SPV's are getting old now, cracked, chipped, damaged and the O2 Orbit looks perfect (especially as we're just doing GPS stuff, hence why I ask if it's Magellan / Garmin compliant).
There are two types of Pocket PC with phone functionality. Those that use the OMAP chipset, and those that use the Samsung/Intel chipset. The OMAP ones normally have more reliable phone sides (although this is changing with the latest Samsungs and Intels) but far slower for running applications (although, again, this is changing with the latest OMAP chipsets). The Orbit is an OMAP chipset, and although works well as a phone and GPS device, you should check whether any custom software runs at satisfactory speed.
Whilst WM5 is still widespread, naturally it would be an advantage to use the latest technology and to ensure compatibility (have one Orbit running WM5 and the other running WM6), but obviously need some roll-back if things go wrong.
Would really appreciate some feedback before I make a purchase.
Cheers
Which is your top preference?
Wm6 ofcourse, for the look & feel and performance. I just can't think of going back to wm5, like I can't go back to win3.1 from XP
Mousum said:
Wm6 ofcourse, for the look & feel and performance. I just can't think of going back to wm5, like I can't go back to win3.1 from XP
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It would appear that after the 8 votes there have been so far, WM6 has the edge. I'm patiently awaiting WM6 for my X50v and then I'll cast my vote in here too.
cavyman said:
It would appear that after the 8 votes there have been so far, WM6 has the edge. I'm patiently awaiting WM6 for my X50v and then I'll cast my vote in here too.
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Okay, after playing around with WM6 for a while, it has earned my vote.
It took me some time to flash to wm6, given that there are several issues mentioned.. But i used it, seems like no big problems and my hermes becomes very speedy now..
My favorite version is... of course.... WM7. The next version is always better.
TC1 said:
My favorite version is... of course.... WM7. The next version is always better.
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Oh, absolutely!
Waited a while to upgrade ROMs but love WM6 and can't go back to WM5, just like I can't go back to Win 95 from XP. WM6 is sleeker/faster, allows me to do more and I just love Windows Live and Windows Live Search.....
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As I only have WM5 now, I love it over PPC2003, dreaming for WM6 for the HX4700 then I can give a reasonable vote here...
DavidinCT said:
As I only have WM5 now, I love it over PPC2003, dreaming for WM6 for the HX4700 then I can give a reasonable vote here...
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Excuse my ignorance, please, but is WM6 in the works for your device?
I've waited a long time for WM6 for my Axim X50v, but the wait is over and it's pretty nice!
The Newer The Better?
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My favorite version is... of course.... WM7. The next version is always better.
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Now I would be very careful to make statement like this towards Micro$oft products. Lesson learned until now, better wait until they release some patches/upgrades to the new release, then it will be safe enough for anyone to migrate.
I've tried official WM6 from Dopod for my Dopod D810 (Trinity), yet I haven't found any significant nor drastical improvement, in speed, feature or functions.
Many things need improvement, but they just don't improve it. Things which has been run properly, they changed into something annoying. (e.g: default left softkey menu for Messaging, why would anyone wants it to be defaulted into "Delete", instead of "New" as in WM5?).
IMHO, if mostly only looks, better they named it WM5.1 or WM5SE (Second Edition), like when they release WM2003SE
Bottomline, WM6 is only marketing gimmick...
schizo said:
IMHO, if mostly only looks, better they named it WM5.1 or WM5SE (Second Edition), like when they release WM2003SE
Bottomline, WM6 is only marketing gimmick...
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I agree in that calling it WM6 instead of simply releasing it as an updated WM5 probably would have made more sense. However, I don't completely agree with your last statement. Sure, MS wants to make money. So naturally they do as they've always done and just created a "new version" with the same backend code and (for the most part) just a new "pretty looking" GUI. However, the "performance increase" of WM6 can be seen on some devices. Yeah, maybe it's the same performace as before for most people, but it just looks like it's faster to those who had devices with a bad WM5 ROM. I for one know how crappy the WM5 ROMs were from Dell for the Axim X50v. Trust me, WM6 is a HUGE improvement for us X50v owners. But at the same time, if you had a good WM5 ROM (from a company that actually cared to support their products), then I can see where your argument is coming from.
cavyman said:
I agree in that calling it WM6 instead of simply releasing it as an updated WM5 probably would have made more sense. However, I don't completely agree with your last statement. Sure, MS wants to make money. So naturally they do as they've always done and just created a "new version" with the same backend code and (for the most part) just a new "pretty looking" GUI. However, the "performance increase" of WM6 can be seen on some devices. Yeah, maybe it's the same performace as before for most people, but it just looks like it's faster to those who had devices with a bad WM5 ROM. I for one know how crappy the WM5 ROMs were from Dell for the Axim X50v. Trust me, WM6 is a HUGE improvement for us X50v owners. But at the same time, if you had a good WM5 ROM (from a company that actually cared to support their products), then I can see where your argument is coming from.
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That's why I said "better wait until the patches/upgrades on the new release are available before trying to migrate to new version".
WM5 so far has began to mature, there have been many upgrades/patches incorporated in the new version (AKU bla bla bla). As for my Trinity, my last official WM5 ROM has been very stable and speedy for my taste, with remarkably working GPS. I love my WM5 Trinity.
That's why I'm quite disappointed because despite the efforts spent on flashing my Trinity, I'm yet to find any noticeable improvements, except GUI. Even in GUI, I hate how M$ has changed the default softkeys for messaging. Small change, but VERY UNNECESSARY.
I guess M$ has just never changed...
I currently have the WM6 installed in my P525 and so far it is faster and prettier with other worthy upgrades. But I like the stability and maturity of WM2003SE in my Samsung i750. My vote would be WM7 when it comes out. Now from what I read, that would be a "real" upgrade.
Just thought I'd bring this poll back around one more time before I let it sink into the depths of this forum...
i currently have a Wizard, and im happy with it, but i always had my eye on the motorla mpx 300 , because its such a rare phone, problem is its running PPC 2003 2nd edition, and i wish if someone COOKED or perhaps knows a place that offers one? its crucial, before i invest money into buying the phone
Is it still possibly to flash WM5 on MPX300? THanks!
I would be interested in this as well
Yes, I really like the design and function of MPX300 and still using it right now, even there's so many WM5/WM6 devices in the market now. Just one more step if someone can upgrade the MPX300 to run WM5, either software or hardware upgrade would made this phone prefect for me.
If I could find a Wm6 upgrade for this phone, I would start hunting one down today. That would be cool..... Never saw the phone before this post, very cool
wm5 anybody?
reviving this old thread...
i've heard of rumors, but never actually seen a wm5 for the little...
???
I found a post from someone that has gotten wm5 on the mpx300
Yahoo Id: coockie_monster26
AIM: CooCkieXP
Seems like a reputable source....
Find his post here:
http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=265391&highlight=mpx300
I'm trying to contact him for tips...
He replied the post in 2006, that's 2 years ago. Not sure if he still using MPX300. However, he is still an active member there. Hope he still have the WM5 files for MPX300.
hello all.
But Device like mpx300 have 32mb Ram so WM6 or later is not recomendet for this device its something like put wm6.1 to MPX200 working but very slow ;(
chears
However.... we just need of wm5.... that's much bettere than 2003se.
Every one of us, is full aware, that since imate & HTC products being put in the market; we used to download posted upgrades from time to time from the sites of manufacturer.
for examples, the JasJam (or what called hermes), since it was placed in market (about a year ago or more) we haven’t received any claim from imate that an available WM6 is available at their site !! right?! While if we get back in our memory three years ago (to the age of Magician – imate jam ) all magician users knew that a lot of upgrades were posted authentically on imateclub.com
So why this is happen? Why imate or any other manufactures try to hide the authenticated WM6 versions from being posted on their sites?
does that because all posted WM6 as well as TNT, Shape's…etc are all FAKE!! Or in other words COOKED!!, does that means that it is very probable to get incompatibe technical errors for using the above WM6 versions???
For me, I have been using TNT SE WM6 for three months; and no notifications or mistakes reported ….. especially that I'm one of Pocket PCs for 5 years ago!!
So the point is: does our discussion point (which is the stoppage of these manufacturer from posting UPGRADES for users) is that might be as a marketing trick from imate, HTC….whatever!! I mean, that all of us knew how users were longing to use WM6 on their PDA's but at the same time not satisfied to change the set !!! right?
In other words, to do change in SOFTWARE not HARDWARE !! right?
So is it possible that imate or HTC ….etc and other manufacturer of PDA's ((with originally built in Windows Mobile 6)) were afraid from sales fall?
Because posting an authenticated WM6 for PDA's with originally WM5 could affect the users -to an extent- from purchasing the new one (which is originally WM6) ….. does any one thought that way??
I really wish to discuss this together and if someone has any information, please comment
it was kinda hard to read what you said but yea, those are all companies with the purpose of making money, not of making ppl happy
i m confident they would release any requested update if customers would massive ask for them, but if you think of it, it s not like EVERYONE who bought an htc device knows about software updates and such
I think you make a valid point, but who really cares. I would guess that most of the users on this forum who are using cooked roms have tried the official manufactures release, and were less than satisfied.
In many cases, after 1 or 2 generations of OS upgrades, hardware advances and continual price declines make a new phone more appealing to a user than an OS upgrade to a potentially underpowered device.