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WM5... Official? or adapted?

Let me understad one thing....
Is The WM5 upgrade for BA an official work from HTC?
Or is an experiment by a very smart hacker? :twisted:
Anybody knows if will be avalaible an official upgrade by O2 t-mobile or others? :?
Thanx, M

Neither. From what I've heard it's a test version from Microsoft. And it will probably never surface as a regular upgrade because it's even more buggy and need more clever fixes and workarounds then even their usual official releases...

Mastiff said:
Neither. From what I've heard it's a test version from Microsoft. And it will probably never surface as a regular upgrade because it's even more buggy and need more clever fixes and workarounds then even their usual official releases...
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...but thanks God, we have Buzz, Mamaich, xda2jojo, toenalied and others

Yes, right! But the thing is that those guys, and we, are enthusiasts. And this is a build that probably wouldn't cut it commercially, since it's not stable enough or easy enough to get stable for Joe Sixpack and his moron friends.

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Yes, right! But the thing is that those guys, and we, are enthusiasts. And this is a build that probably wouldn't cut it commercially, since it's not stable enough or easy enough to get stable for Joe Sixpack and his moron friends.
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Anyway... anybody knows why i should upgrade?
I use the BA for my job... I'd like to have the new WM5 but I don't know if is a good thing to upgrade....
Thanx, M.

If you're dependent on it for your job, and you're not experienced with computers and PPCs, and especially if you can't live with a few annoyances for a while, you should not do it.

I didn't hesitate to install it.
I was a tiny bit worried about turning my phone into an expensive brick, but it was remarkably easy to install WM5 on my BA. Took me about half an hour (most of that being flashing time).
Works fine, all the patches installed so I've got my camera back up and backlight.
Really, sterling work!

buggy???no doubt but all the roms are not perpect...even the PC windows...nevertheless...i love it...

hello guys.
i'm pretty sure it will come out comercial.
sure it's buggy has hell right now, that's why it's a early beta version.
but has you all know, there's microsoft people watching everything, so all the fixes and patches made by our members here at xda-developers are surelly being implemented into the next beta version.
don't think that beta versions are leaked for no reason :wink:

xda2jojo said:
buggy???no doubt but all the roms are not perpect...even the PC windows...nevertheless...i love it...
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To All here discussing this:
I am a big fan of windows based phones/PDAs.In my 10 yrs of cell phone usage time, I have used Nokia(Symbian 60/80/90) SE(UIQ), Mototrola(UIQ) Ipaq 6365 etc etc....But I am noe wandering around HTC Devices, 2/2i/2s/Magician....I hv kept all the three devices and XDA2/BA are with WM 5.AND I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT WM 5 Rocks....With WM 5, battry life has increased,clarity is increased...device has become more stable....All of you might hv come across so many threads of soft resetting the devices...but with WM5 no such problems...no one way sound problems...BT Head sets work flawlessly..and more...data is not lost...

I think there too much problems yet to upgrade... on WM5...
Ciao, M.

Really? I have found it much LESS buggey than any of the WM2003 roms around!
Yes its dose have some issues but it is a Microsoft product after all! If it didnt have any issues I think I would drop dead in shock!
As its for OEMs and mobile networks and going by how well it works (with the legendary Mamaich's patches its very nearly perfect) I'd say that would be very close to how would be if it was officially released...

The bugs have nothing to do with the fact that it is a Micro$oft's product. That's a misconception that's been generated through the rise of Linux and stuff. I use all different types of Software and OSs and not a single one is bugs free. Even Switches and Routers are full of bugs and they're not made my MS.
The fact of the matter is, programmers are only humans and will always make mistakes and learn from it. Thats all programming is about. Making crazy mistakes to mess with the world and then get it fixed later disaster has struck.
WWWeed said:
Really? I have found it much LESS buggey than any of the WM2003 roms around!
Yes its dose have some issues but it is a Microsoft product after all! If it didnt have any issues I think I would drop dead in shock!
As its for OEMs and mobile networks and going by how well it works (with the legendary Mamaich's patches its very nearly perfect) I'd say that would be very close to how would be if it was officially released...
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here's some food for toughts...
The First Windows Mobile 5.0 Device
and this one for the interested
Windows Mobile 5.0 Developer Evaluation Kit
seems pretty oficial to me :wink:

what they meant to say was that there is no official rom for WM5.0 for the BA. yes, WM5.0 has been officially released but mobile OSs are not like PC OSs that you can just grab an installer and plunk it in. due to the tight nature of its integration with the hardware, it is up to your hardware manufacturer to build you a rom that can work with your device.
the unofficial WM5.0 rom means that at least HTC is monkeying with the idea of putting it out there, but it will ultimately be up to the resellers (ie O2 and whatnot) to provide you with an official rom. personally, i hope HTC releases an official rom independent of the resellers.

i am no expert
But I would indeed say that thanks to all on here we will end up with a more stable version of wm5 than will end up being released by the powers that be.
The reason,
Mamaich, buzzlightyear, xdamojo, the lastone and all the others (and yes there are to many to mention, some in just smaller ways but i bet they are a great help to those who do the bulk of the work)
These guys use the devices all day everyday and know the blueangel inside and out (literaly).
Lets be honest, have any previous versions been bug free or anywhere near. Give these guys the stuff to work with and they will get there, but I am sure this is not an overnight process.
We should all take our hats off to them and for those who moan, dont bother upgrading and wait as buzz would say "too infinity and beyond"
For official releases
from all of us who have benefited
CHEERS GUYS :wink:
stay happy
magpie2000k

CINGULAR to provide WM6 UPGRADES for 8525, BJ, Treo 750

We had a chance to peep an "eyes-only" presentation from AT&T with the dirty details on WM6 for current and future devices, with the newly-branded Cingular apparently poised to introduce patches for three of its hottest handsets. The word is that the Treo 750, 8525, and the Blackjack will see downloadable updates released for current owners, and that WM6 will be pre-installed on all devices launched in 2007. In a separate tip, our peeps tell us that the Blackjack update should be in Cingular's hot hands by May 26; with an expected eight week soak period for testing, this could hit by late July this year. We suppose that if the ROMs prove bulletproof, the cheering masses could theoretically get this update sooner, but until then we can only sit and wait. No word on timing for the other two devices, but we are seriously hoping that Blue has its ducks in a row and that they are on an similar schedule.
via Engadget people. http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/03/26/cingulars-treo-750-blackjack-and-8525-get-wm6-treatment/
I don't really care cuz the best roms are from here but still. Apparently all our complaining has not fallen on deaf ears!

Here's the link to Engadget Mobile:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/03/26/cingulars-treo-750-blackjack-and-8525-get-wm6-treatment/

Yes, it seems that a couple of people have posted this news today. I guess it is good for the Cingular/AT&T people who do not want to upgrade to the current WM6 rom's here.
And maybe, someone here could use it as base rom once it is released.
At least they are going to upgrade some current devices.

eagle 1 said:
Yes, it seems that a couple of people have posted this news today. I guess it is good for the Cingular/AT&T people who do not want to upgrade to the current WM6 rom's here.
And maybe, someone here could use it as base rom once it is released.
At least they are going to upgrade some current devices.
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No need to lock, you provided a different view...

I already have WM6 on my 8525 - Cingular needs to release it for my 3525 No but really this is great - this will at least if nothing else ensure we get an official RTM version that we can tinker with

we all knew it was coming -- but until we actually heard from somebody at Samsung or Cing, I couldn't post about it.. but after getting the roadmap yesterday and speaking to a samsung rep -- I just had to post it up

Good news, since the (fairly quiet) news about the updated base for WM6 cooked roms on here will be getting much much better, theyve been great since the first releases but this will help the chefs a hell of alot more.

xultar said:
I don't really care cuz the best roms are from here but still. Apparently all our complaining has not fallen on deaf ears!
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Don't you know that we've been beta testing the new WM6 ROMs?
Those ROMs were intended to *leaked* for us to test and report errors so they can fix those errors before releasing to the rest of the consumers.

Well, mine runs great so hurry up and release it Cingular. Yes I'm talking to you.

the_passenger said:
Don't you know that we've been beta testing the new WM6 ROMs?
Those ROMs were intended to *leaked* for us to test and report errors so they can fix those errors before releasing to the rest of the consumers.
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ah its always good to be the bastard step children
does anyone happen to have the cingular wm6 rom that they cant share with me ??? if so discreetly pm me... i am looking for something in particular with this rom....

I had all but given up
I had put my Cingular 8125 in the corner of my office, and decided not to use it at all. I started using a Treo 750, and it was great, so I just stuck with it. Then I upgraded my 8125 to WM6 (LVSW Edition), and now it is finally usable. The 8125 would CONSTANTLY lock up on me with the "official" WM5 ROM, but with WM6 it is rock solid. I now wish someone would leak a Treo 750 WM6 ROM.

Wm6 Vs Wm5

Hi All,
I see a lot of people testing this and that, and everyday we seem to have 10000 new roms with extra functionalities, which is a great thing, but makes a little bit skeptical.
I have installed a wm6 rom some time ago, so far no bigger problems with it, the question that i want to make and i am sure that someone has already thought of this, is it really worth to upgrade to wm6?
Is wm6 more stable that wm5?
Is wm6 faster than wm5?
Is the software so much better?
What is your opinion guys?
Thanks!!

GO WM6.
998 solved bugs as said by Microsoft. This should be the first reason.
After that you have new graphics, powerful outlook which supports attachments and html messages and last but not last you can use touch flo or the hew htc home plug

998 solved bugs and 1000 introduced bugs?
imho, no it's not really worth upgrading
no it's not more stable
it might be slightly faster, but i can't tell
software aren't better, in fact, using same software may induce bugs that you don't see with WM5...
Touch flo don't work well with trinity
htc home plug is good. Does look really cool I have to say, and is probably the only reason why I'm still using WM6...
Once again, I stress that these are purely my experience, I've really only tried each WM6 rom for a week before it piss me off too much that i have to go back to WM5...

Well maybe I need a different rom for Wm6 ... I cant use no internet application unless im connected to my computer . Well some work thru wifi but others dead . And even the instant messengers dont work. I installed tmobiles oz and it only works if im plugged into my machine via activesync .. Im looking for a differnt rom and then ill update you folks . Oh the rom im using ... XDA Mobile 6.0.0

This is the reason why i question this upgrade.
I know its a super job all the cookers have done so far, but the overall use of the wm6 is still a little bit overrated.
I see a lot of people missing this and that, and while its true that wm6 fixed some bugs, its also true that it introduced some, while other are due to our rom cooking attempts.
to be honest i have not seen anything so must have for wm6, better office is a nice thing, but i have seen it already somewhere the install cabs, so one point down.
Touch flo? I have seen better implementations when this iPhone crazy mania was around. and we only had wm5 at the time.

lmbranco said:
This is the reason why i question this upgrade.
I know its a super job all the cookers have done so far, but the overall use of the wm6 is still a little bit overrated.
I see a lot of people missing this and that, and while its true that wm6 fixed some bugs, its also true that it introduced some, while other are due to our rom cooking attempts.
to be honest i have not seen anything so must have for wm6, better office is a nice thing, but i have seen it already somewhere the install cabs, so one point down.
Touch flo? I have seen better implementations when this iPhone crazy mania was around. and we only had wm5 at the time.
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HAVE YOU TRIED IT YET ? mAYBE TRYING IT MAY CHANGE YOUR PROSPECTIVE.
OPPS CAPS .. SORRY WAS WORKING AND READING NOT YELLING ... !!!!!

WM6 is only worth it if you have already upgraded (as in, its not worth downgrading to WM5 when you have already made the jump) but I agree with others that WM6 is not really worth upgrading to. A lot of programs dont work properly and they wont for many months as the small software companies (eg. spb) catch up.
WM6 removes the NEW button from the SMS page, and replaces it with DELETE of all things. This sad reality is a metaphor for other idiotic shortcomings which make all the barely noticeable "graphical upgrades" in WM6 even weaker in comparison.

This is really the point of this discussion, its not a question of it looks nicer or has more or less buttons, the real question is if it really brings added bonus to the overall experience.
I am using WM6 for 3 months already, and to be honest, i don't see any real added value in the user experience. I feel that what we really need is some kind of changed ui that makes it all easier for the user to work with the mobile.
TouchFlo has some nice concepts, iPhone also, but i think that something even better can be done by the companies, and wm6 does not do much to help us in this direction.
Do you guys agree or disagree with me?

FuzzMunky said:
WM6 removes the NEW button from the SMS page, and replaces it with DELETE of all things. This sad reality is a metaphor for other idiotic shortcomings which make all the barely noticeable "graphical upgrades" in WM6 even weaker in comparison.
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All true, the thing is if the button would have been a "delete" button in WM5 and previous versions this would have not been a problem.
I think it is great to have new buttons on places you would not expect them, it keeps us from transforming into brainless zombies.
No seriously, I agree, it's annoying. But hey, it's the way it is, and after deleting some sms, I'm getting used to/by it.
Furthermore, I like HTC WM6 (Dopod Australian) with the standard Windows Live today plugin. That alone would be a reason for me to upgrade.

PURESKILLZZZ said:
HAVE YOU TRIED IT YET ? mAYBE TRYING IT MAY CHANGE YOUR PROSPECTIVE.
OPPS CAPS .. SORRY WAS WORKING AND READING NOT YELLING ... !!!!!
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I have tried it, and it even works correctly, however its not a good implementation of a good gui. And we both know its slow and buggy, and it does not work 100% as it should.
I like the way the buttons are shown in Spb Mobile Shell, but i still think that the main tools are not so user friendly and are too much pen dependent.
P.S. No harm done with the caps ;-)

lmbranco said:
I have tried it, and it even works correctly, however its not a good implementation of a good gui. And we both know its slow and buggy, and it does not work 100% as it should.
I like the way the buttons are shown in Spb Mobile Shell, but i still think that the main tools are not so user friendly and are too much pen dependent.
P.S. No harm done with the caps ;-)
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Well it does what it does for a freeware . Now we are working on a better one maybe you can give a hand mate .

The only reason I wanted it was for HTML email.

PGMMA said:
The only reason I wanted it was for HTML email.
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So you have it ... .... So have you found anything to suit you better ?

WM6.1 official Microsoft release?

Is the WM6.1 floating around on the forums derived from official MS release? I searched the various posts as well as on google and couldn't find anything on that.
The reason why I ask this is because looking at the screenshots scattered around the forum I visually atleast, don't see any difference/improvement from our wm6.0
I own a Tilt and I recollect a couple of months back there was a lot of buzz around MS releasing some good enhancements and there was even a much different GUI that was shown in their smartphone platform on MS' own website to which people guessed that it may be coming in wm6.1!!?
Weren't there an official statement on MS WM site of the Tilt and a few select other phones getting the next version of W mobility center syncing with PC plus other enhancements to which all assumed that it'd be WM6.1 ???!!
Can someone shed some light here please! Thanks.

As to whether or not it is an official release, I haven't a clue. But, as to differences, I have noticed several on my HTC Mogul (HTC xv6800, Titan, whatever you call it). Most notably is speed: the device is *noticably* faster running the same problems, and I have run 6 or 7 different ROMs with WM 6 to compare against... it is by far the fastest. Also, on the titan voice command w/ bluetooth headset hasn't ever completely worked, as the verification never worked. All bluetooth functions on my phone seem to be working significantly better.
Other than that, there are a few changes... seems like it's automatically closing certain programs when they aren't used (notably PIE and Messaging) about which I have mixed feelings, but it does tend to make for better memory management...
so there are some improvements. I'm still identifying all of them, since I just flashed the new OS night before last, but there are some definite changes.

I doubt this is the actual WM 6.1 release promissed by Microsoft.
The official 6.1 roms would have some visual "improvements" because of the iPhone. Apple has taken the lead marketshare from Microsoft.
... i think (i might as well be wrong)

the pictures of the fancy shake and such wm version is not 6.1 it's 7 which will not be out untill 2009

Rudegar said:
the pictures of the fancy shake and such wm version is not 6.1 it's 7 which will not be out untill 2009
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i also read somewhere that visually, there is a big difference between the ppc and the smartphone versions of 6.1

yep windows mobile 7 is the one with the whole new gui and finger friendliness on it, but it wouldn't suprise me if they included a few bits in 6.1 just to keep i phone at bay.

Hope its not the official one...
efexor said:
I doubt this is the actual WM 6.1 release promissed by Microsoft.
The official 6.1 roms would have some visual "improvements" because of the iPhone. Apple has taken the lead marketshare from Microsoft.
... i think (i might as well be wrong)
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I certainly hope that this isn't the official MS release as even though like you guys (taxilian) are saying that there is significant speed improvement and tweaks here and there, I'd much rather take some GUI improvements that will allow for more and more functionality with just fingers... I mean a stylus to go tap tap while walking in a park... come on dude!!

WM 6.5? wow =P. we haven't even optimized 6.1 yet =).

http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/new...-windows-mobile-7-try-windows-mobile-6-5.html

Second half of 2009 is definitely a ways off..

cirial said:
Second half of 2009 is definitely a ways off..
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Cool, can't wait to cook roms with it!!! and YES I'll be around then!

cirial said:
Second half of 2009 is definitely a ways off..
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It needn't be that late for 6.5 ROMs to start appearing here, need it? Going by version 6 experiences, we could expect to see the 6.5 ROMs as early as this year. Hermes support is an unknown though.
kernelguy

MUT%$ Fu&%$!!!!!!!
HAhahahahaha i was exited.... sorry... but without screenshots it becames like the WM7 Toughts hahaha.... we all spect not to have the enhaced oS with 3D processor like the new Diamond hardware....
Hope its not and can be cooked to hermes....

I dont know if i want to believe this or not...

Will the Hermes be ready for WM7???

sapphire_pro said:
Will the Hermes be ready for WM7???
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try one of these roms with manilla and you'll know... hermes is such a great pda but its resources are very limited and microsoft has tradition in releasing new systems that like to eat a big slice of memory. let's see.
there's always a possibility that this is just speculation. apple os for the iphone is a big deal when it comes to finger friendly apps, so is google android and microsoft knows that all... and let's not forget that nokia is also about to release their iphone-like handset running a touchscreen version of their Symbian OS which the market's been waiting for a long time. microsoft needs to react really fast, i think that 'second half of 2009' would be way too late.

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Will the Hermes be ready for WM7???
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Depends on how flashy they make it. My old HTC Typhoon that came with WM2003SE runs WM6.1 just fine right now. But if MS starts relying heavily on graphics processing, 2D or 3D, most older devices won't be able to handle it.

Yea your probably right.
But I think in 2009 I can buy a new telephone then

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Will the Hermes be ready for WM7???
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No, because WM7 is built on WinCE 6.0, Hermes runs WinCE 5.0.

i really do not know if our Hermes will fit the WM6.5

i'd like to think that by the time wm6.5 and wm7 rolls around, most of us will have replaced the hermes with somn newer from HTC+nvidia's tegra600 or better GPUs
http://www.nvidia.com/page/handheld.html
i can't wait til what kinds of neat things xda devs. can do with a fully powered GPU and lots more room to do it with. i'm always amazed what xda devs. can do with hermes platform already =P.

JediFonger said:
i'd like to think that by the time wm6.5 and wm7 rolls around, most of us will have replaced the hermes with somn newer from HTC+nvidia's tegra600 or better GPUs
can do with a fully powered GPU and lots more room to do it with. i'm always amazed what xda devs. can do with hermes platform already =P.
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yes, nvidia's tegra600 is good future stuff! Are U sure HTC is working with nvidia tegra600?

what needs to happen
I would never say that wm 6.5 or 7 can't run on the hermes, odds are it will be so memory heavy that it will not have much free program memory to run.
having said that, I still have a mpx200 in the drawer that I mess with every now and then, it started with wm2002, then went through the os's all the way up to wm6.1 after someone figured out how to use the storage card for the os to run.
My guess is that it would take someone figuring out how to load the os (or most of it) onto the card and run the programs (or most of them) from the card so that the program memory could run the device. (here is where the nonbelievers say things about how the sdcard tranfer rate is not fast enough to run programs or how the hermes prossesor is not made for the os...blah...blah...blah) all I can say is tell your naysaying to my mpx200
and for those who say get a better device, ah, were not talking about launching the shuttle here, it's a ppc, 400mhz is plenty to keep the hermes a very usable device for the average user for a long time.
The point is not will I use it, but could I use it and with the right developers, I am very confident I could and will.

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=1653
supposed screenshots of 6.5.

if you look at the icons some of them are imac icons. Its not a real shot of it.

I dont know but
watch at your help app icon (lifesaver) comes from the Linux OS
so maybe is maybe isn't the only thing we can spect is the release date... and maybe neither that.

Screenshots says nothing....i can put an iphone skin on my hermes....

i'm not 100% sure these screenshots are fake but one thing i must say is that they do look a lot like the Zune interface which would definitely be a good market strategy for microsoft to put all their mobile experiences with a similar look.
zune is a great music player and its market share's been growing rapidly it would be a quite smart move from microsoft to get everything in the family.