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WM5... Official? or adapted?

Let me understad one thing....
Is The WM5 upgrade for BA an official work from HTC?
Or is an experiment by a very smart hacker? :twisted:
Anybody knows if will be avalaible an official upgrade by O2 t-mobile or others? :?
Thanx, M

Neither. From what I've heard it's a test version from Microsoft. And it will probably never surface as a regular upgrade because it's even more buggy and need more clever fixes and workarounds then even their usual official releases...

Mastiff said:
Neither. From what I've heard it's a test version from Microsoft. And it will probably never surface as a regular upgrade because it's even more buggy and need more clever fixes and workarounds then even their usual official releases...
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...but thanks God, we have Buzz, Mamaich, xda2jojo, toenalied and others

Yes, right! But the thing is that those guys, and we, are enthusiasts. And this is a build that probably wouldn't cut it commercially, since it's not stable enough or easy enough to get stable for Joe Sixpack and his moron friends.

Mastiff said:
Yes, right! But the thing is that those guys, and we, are enthusiasts. And this is a build that probably wouldn't cut it commercially, since it's not stable enough or easy enough to get stable for Joe Sixpack and his moron friends.
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Anyway... anybody knows why i should upgrade?
I use the BA for my job... I'd like to have the new WM5 but I don't know if is a good thing to upgrade....
Thanx, M.

If you're dependent on it for your job, and you're not experienced with computers and PPCs, and especially if you can't live with a few annoyances for a while, you should not do it.

I didn't hesitate to install it.
I was a tiny bit worried about turning my phone into an expensive brick, but it was remarkably easy to install WM5 on my BA. Took me about half an hour (most of that being flashing time).
Works fine, all the patches installed so I've got my camera back up and backlight.
Really, sterling work!

buggy???no doubt but all the roms are not perpect...even the PC windows...nevertheless...i love it...

hello guys.
i'm pretty sure it will come out comercial.
sure it's buggy has hell right now, that's why it's a early beta version.
but has you all know, there's microsoft people watching everything, so all the fixes and patches made by our members here at xda-developers are surelly being implemented into the next beta version.
don't think that beta versions are leaked for no reason :wink:

xda2jojo said:
buggy???no doubt but all the roms are not perpect...even the PC windows...nevertheless...i love it...
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To All here discussing this:
I am a big fan of windows based phones/PDAs.In my 10 yrs of cell phone usage time, I have used Nokia(Symbian 60/80/90) SE(UIQ), Mototrola(UIQ) Ipaq 6365 etc etc....But I am noe wandering around HTC Devices, 2/2i/2s/Magician....I hv kept all the three devices and XDA2/BA are with WM 5.AND I AM PROUD TO SAY THAT WM 5 Rocks....With WM 5, battry life has increased,clarity is increased...device has become more stable....All of you might hv come across so many threads of soft resetting the devices...but with WM5 no such problems...no one way sound problems...BT Head sets work flawlessly..and more...data is not lost...

I think there too much problems yet to upgrade... on WM5...
Ciao, M.

Really? I have found it much LESS buggey than any of the WM2003 roms around!
Yes its dose have some issues but it is a Microsoft product after all! If it didnt have any issues I think I would drop dead in shock!
As its for OEMs and mobile networks and going by how well it works (with the legendary Mamaich's patches its very nearly perfect) I'd say that would be very close to how would be if it was officially released...

The bugs have nothing to do with the fact that it is a Micro$oft's product. That's a misconception that's been generated through the rise of Linux and stuff. I use all different types of Software and OSs and not a single one is bugs free. Even Switches and Routers are full of bugs and they're not made my MS.
The fact of the matter is, programmers are only humans and will always make mistakes and learn from it. Thats all programming is about. Making crazy mistakes to mess with the world and then get it fixed later disaster has struck.
WWWeed said:
Really? I have found it much LESS buggey than any of the WM2003 roms around!
Yes its dose have some issues but it is a Microsoft product after all! If it didnt have any issues I think I would drop dead in shock!
As its for OEMs and mobile networks and going by how well it works (with the legendary Mamaich's patches its very nearly perfect) I'd say that would be very close to how would be if it was officially released...
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here's some food for toughts...
The First Windows Mobile 5.0 Device
and this one for the interested
Windows Mobile 5.0 Developer Evaluation Kit
seems pretty oficial to me :wink:

what they meant to say was that there is no official rom for WM5.0 for the BA. yes, WM5.0 has been officially released but mobile OSs are not like PC OSs that you can just grab an installer and plunk it in. due to the tight nature of its integration with the hardware, it is up to your hardware manufacturer to build you a rom that can work with your device.
the unofficial WM5.0 rom means that at least HTC is monkeying with the idea of putting it out there, but it will ultimately be up to the resellers (ie O2 and whatnot) to provide you with an official rom. personally, i hope HTC releases an official rom independent of the resellers.

i am no expert
But I would indeed say that thanks to all on here we will end up with a more stable version of wm5 than will end up being released by the powers that be.
The reason,
Mamaich, buzzlightyear, xdamojo, the lastone and all the others (and yes there are to many to mention, some in just smaller ways but i bet they are a great help to those who do the bulk of the work)
These guys use the devices all day everyday and know the blueangel inside and out (literaly).
Lets be honest, have any previous versions been bug free or anywhere near. Give these guys the stuff to work with and they will get there, but I am sure this is not an overnight process.
We should all take our hats off to them and for those who moan, dont bother upgrading and wait as buzz would say "too infinity and beyond"
For official releases
from all of us who have benefited
CHEERS GUYS :wink:
stay happy
magpie2000k

WM6 AKA Crossbow for Smartphone soon!

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/5846.html on MSmobiles to see a quick review of the power of smartphone crossbow WM6 (or 5.2?)!
MS understands the power of keyboard-enabled smartphones and WM6 will be the next step.
An usable calculator, office with document editing, windows live, enhanced messenger, graphic (they enable the power of new smartphone graphic resolution 320x240 or 240x320).
I believe this will be winning next smartphone philosopy: isn't Windows Mobile with something less anymore, is a strong alternative to bridge between phones an PDA and more for less, much more than a simple phone for less money than a PDA! (hey man, early in the morning I'm a good CopyWriter too)

crud, wrong thread.

Anyone now when its coming availeble for smartphone?

I dont get it?????????????????
How can a wizard which has a slower processor already have a leaked version of wm6 but the dash (htc Ecalibur) faster processor does not whats the deal!!!

Wizard and dash both have 200 MHz OMAP 850 processor's. the version that is leaked is a pocket Pc addition, there hasnt been a smartphone addition leaked yet.

bkeaver said:
Wizard and dash both have 200 MHz OMAP 850 processor's. the version that is leaked is a pocket Pc addition, there hasnt been a smartphone addition leaked yet.
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but we all know the dash runs faster than the mda.......i own both i would know.

I have the Dash (running the S620 FW) and the K-Jam running Crossbow.
The K-Jam runs faster than the Dash now. I can't imagine what Crossbow will do for the Dash...
-Mc

but we all know the dash runs faster than the mda.......i own both i would know.
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I own both aswell and yes it does promarily due to the OS on the dash not being as labor intensive as the full blown pocket pc version

for the ones that have wm6 on there wizrd why not extract the schemes and homescreens and share them with us to put on the dash since it is the same size screen!

leoiden said:
for the ones that have wm6 on there wizrd why not extract the schemes and homescreens and share them with us to put on the dash since it is the same size screen!
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thats like saying you can take the icons and wallpaper from windows vista, put it on xp and its suddenly vista....

leoiden said:
for the ones that have wm6 on there wizrd why not extract the schemes and homescreens and share them with us to put on the dash since it is the same size screen!
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Homescreens are done totally different on the smartphone then they are on PocketPC.
Also, the title of this thread is misleading and should be changed. It implies that you have a version and you plan on releasing it soon.

DanITman said:
Also, the title of this thread is misleading and should be changed. It implies that you have a version and you plan on releasing it soon.
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No it doesn't.

swivel said:
No it doesn't.
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yes it does

i have to agree, i thought it meant somebody had it or was going to release it soon, not that its possible and could happen

I KNOW OF SOMEONE THAT DID POST A COMMENT ON ANOTHER FORUM OF TESTING THE WM6 ROM ON EXCALIBUR,he or it claimed it would be leaked soon but that was posted in december, maybe if we all pm that member bug him a little he might give in to tell us where or when we can find the leaked version that will work with excalibur! anyways here is the posted comment from that forum
Newbie
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 1 Re: T-Mobile dash to replace phone & Ipaq
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I have an RUU update for the Dash with WM6, we're releasing it to a few partners to do closed beta testing. Expect the ROM update to be leaked very soon.
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heres the link to site
leoiden said:
I KNOW OF SOMEONE THAT DID POST A COMMENT ON ANOTHER FORUM OF TESTING THE WM6 ROM ON EXCALIBUR,he or it claimed it would be leaked soon but that was posted in december, maybe if we all pm that member bug him a little he might give in to tell us where or when we can find the leaked version that will work with excalibur! anyways here is the posted comment from that forum
Newbie
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 1 Re: T-Mobile dash to replace phone & Ipaq
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I have an RUU update for the Dash with WM6, we're releasing it to a few partners to do closed beta testing. Expect the ROM update to be leaked very soon.
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http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?t=231848

SO hang on, will Crossbow be compatible with the Dash? Are you sure you'll be able to download Crossbow onto the Dash?

.PoNeH said:
SO hang on, will Crossbow be compatible with the Dash? Are you sure you'll be able to download Crossbow onto the Dash?
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As far as being compaitable it should be able to handle it. I can't see why not. Will the release be official? That's hard to tell. That would involve T-Mobile or HTC buying an upgrade for the Dash from MS and then releasing it to the public.

I bet that the Cavalier, which is the replacement of the dash scheduled to be released 2Q 2007 will have WM6

bkeaver said:
I bet that the Cavalier, which is the replacement of the dash scheduled to be released 2Q 2007 will have WM6
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I think that has already been confirmed. But the fate of the Caviler is still up in the aire
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/01/16/unboxing-htc-cavalier/

S620 WM6?

Anyone heard anything more about the WM6 upgrades for the S620 that HTC was supposed to put out in the May/June timeframe? There's not much time left in that "frame" - was hoping to hear something by now. I'd prefer to not have to mess with trying to put the TMo ROM on there.

nop there has been no news at all keep checking this page:
http://www.europe.htc.com/support/software/

It's pretty much July. I'm expecting an update to come out yesterday.

Any other source, other than the website where we could have any more information?

Download link for T-Mobile's WM6 is here:
http://t-mobile.com/wmupgrade/
Comes with some fandango, and more t-mobile... (well, you tell me, i don't know how the HTC wm6 compares)
you can use my number:
2 m 0 r 5 a 5 e 2 r 9 y 7 c 9 e 4 o 0 s

Is it locked to T-mobile?

HTC eClub
Anybody joined the HTC eClub?
I think they are gonna distribute the WM6 that way, since I can't register my Dash there I can't confirm. Can someone with a S620 sign up and see if the update is available now?

htc club
Hi i have joined the club, as i have a HTC s620. There have been no updates as of yet. I will be checking the site most days, so as soon as i hear anything i will post here

No updates other than some audio driver. This is really getting annoying.

Does anyone know if the VoIP feature will be included with this HTC release? (I'm talking about internet calling if nobody knows what I'm talking about.)

September!!!!!!
Below is an email I just got from HTC:
The Windows Mobile 6 update will roll out from June. The provisional date for the S620 is believed to be in September. We have no more accurate information than that and as it is a provisional schedule, it is possible that if any last minute problems are encountered in the final testing phase, it may be delayed.
Thank You for your enquiry. Should you have any other problem, please do not hesitate to call us. Your local number can be found at http://www.europe.htc.com/support/csbyphone.html
Kind regards
Khushal Hirani
HTC Europe Support
[email protected]
http://www.HTC.com

BBAdmin said:
No updates other than some audio driver. This is really getting annoying.
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It's getting worse now... I just called them again to complain, and they said that the june timeframe reffered to 'information on the upgrade to WM6' and not the upgrade itself... They told me that they expect the update now mid-september....

wmeter said:
It's getting worse now... I just called them again to complain, and they said that the june timeframe reffered to 'information on the upgrade to WM6' and not the upgrade itself... They told me that they expect the update now mid-september....
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yeh i know thats why september is in bold in the email above.

Too bad there is no real competition on the market. Otherwise I would switch now. This is pissing the customer in the face.
I really love my S620 it's great hardware but not sure if I can hold out with WM5 too much longer.

S620 upgrade WM6
I called their support line on Tuesday (July 3) and the gentleman on the phone told me to expect the WM6 update around late July. I don't think they know for sure.
If I knew how to clean a rom of all that T-Mobile garbage I'd upgrade to WM6 using the T-Mobile rom.

So, just to amuse myself (and possibly others), I called HTC's hotline again, asking when WM6 comes out for the S620. The gentleman on the phone read me the email that was sent out to the phone support folks about WM6, and it went a little something like this:
"WM6 is a big OS upgrade, and all new HTC devices are using WM6, so basically HTC is tailoring the WM6 upgrades for each of their devices that support the upgrade. The Sprint MDA upgrade for WM6 came out 2 days, however, HTC will be releasing the WM6 upgrade for the S620 at the end of July, but no later than the middle of August."
<sarcasm>
In summary, HTC is aware of our concerns and doesn't contradict themselves.
</sarcasm>

Tell them T-mobile already has released WM6 and since the device is actually made by HTC its absolutely ridiculous that T-mobile can tailor the device quicker than HTC can.
The Cavalier is out this month so I can see alot of people ebaying their S620 and going for the much more powerful S630, probably what HTC are hoping anyway and why they are delaying the update. Furthermore they probably didn't sell as many of the Vox as they would have liked because people realised that the Excalibur/Caviliar form factor is so much nicer.

indiekiduk said:
Tell them T-mobile already has released WM6 and since the device is actually made by HTC its absolutely ridiculous that T-mobile can tailor the device quicker than HTC can.
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Yes but the T-Mobile WM6 ROM is crap.
I have it on my Dash. It is full of bugs and memory leaks. I am waiting to HTC to release the S620 WM6 ROM, then I'm going to buy an S620 and ditch my Dash.
Give them time to get it right and not hastily release a buggy ROM.

This is very disappointing. I hope this is not the case with all the said upgrades.

htc is delaying it for 1 reason because they what people to get fed up and by a new phone with wm6 built in. EXAMPLE: htc x7500 which has wm5 and htc x7501 has wm6. now you can already buy the x7501 at CompUSA for $899 just check if you dont believe me. but wm6 upgrade for x7500 won't be out untill september, makes no sense to me

Sure u all know but Windows Mobile 6.1 to be released on APRIL 1st

Windows Mobile 6.1 to be released on 1 April
(I Read Bink.nu daily so thats where I got the news from, Bink is truly the most credible MS news man in all of the Land)
Pocket-lint has learnt from sources close to the matter that Microsoft will announce the much-rumoured refresh to its mobile phone operating system, Windows Mobile, on 1 April 2008.
An improvement over Windows Mobile 6 released in February 2007 the new version, unsurprisingly named 6.1, will be a stop-gap measure to keep both consumers and industry happy until the launch of Windows Mobile 7.
Leaked screenshots of 6.1 have already done the rounds in the blogosphere, and show the system has been simplified with the screens displaying less mess than the Vista-inspired version 6.
Source: Bink.nu

1 April.
Hmmmmm.
Not to sound cynical but.........1 April.......

I am an ADMIN and I handle frontpage news at theHotfix.net so I do my research i have my sources and OBVIOUSLY I use other news sources, this seems legit, its NOT offical from MS, but a credible source from within MS says thats the date, I dunno, I posted it on my SITE

Hmm. So what do they know about the hard reset issue that nobody else does? April 1?

April 1st release date. Could be a foolish day!!

nicknowsky said:
Windows Mobile 6.1 to be released on 1 April
(I Read Bink.nu daily so thats where I got the news from, Bink is truly the most credible MS news man in all of the Land)
Pocket-lint has learnt from sources close to the matter that Microsoft will announce the much-rumoured refresh to its mobile phone operating system, Windows Mobile, on 1 April 2008.
An improvement over Windows Mobile 6 released in February 2007 the new version, unsurprisingly named 6.1, will be a stop-gap measure to keep both consumers and industry happy until the launch of Windows Mobile 7.
Leaked screenshots of 6.1 have already done the rounds in the blogosphere, and show the system has been simplified with the screens displaying less mess than the Vista-inspired version 6.
Source: Bink.nu
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Yeap, but it is the Smartphone edition.. doesn't work for us yet...

I read about it two days ago. I think the article was on www.forteplace.com or something like that.

THE Original SOURCE that Bink used as his news source was POCKET LINT
here is the article http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/news.phtml/13612/14636/windows-mobile-61-coming-april.phtml

Fallen Spartan said:
April 1st release date. Could be a foolish day!!
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ha ha i didnt think about that, you're quick on draw Spartan

Moto Q9 running it here. I see 6.1's already been integrated into a Hermes rom?

t-readyroc said:
Moto Q9 running it here. I see 6.1's already been integrated into a Hermes rom?
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Yeah, I'm a bit confused by this "news". I've been running 6.1 for a while now (thanks to this forum), but for a while now if you bought a tytn2 from orange it'd come with 6.1. So in what way was it not already released a while back?

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..... for a while now if you bought a tytn2 from orange it'd come with 6.1.
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thats not true, all the tytn2 6.1 version are from leak roms.....there is no "official" 6.1 release yet,. but then again, if we really cared about official, we wont be here in xda devs would we

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thats not true, all the tytn2 6.1 version are from leak roms.....there is no "official" 6.1 release yet
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It is true, please don't call me a liar just because you haven't seen what I'm talking about. Maybe Orange are shipping leaked ROMs on their phones, or maybe they are a leak themselves. My brother has one, purchased direct from orange as an upgrade over a month ago, that came with 6.1 on it.

WM6.1 > HTC Hermes100/AT&T8525
Considering how bad my HTC/AT&T experience has been, I may bail out before HTC makes WM6.1 available for the AT&T 8525.
It took them nine months to come out with WM6 for my device.

LouMessina said:
Considering how bad my HTC/AT&T experience has been, I may bail out before HTC makes WM6.1 available for the AT&T 8525.
It took them nine months to come out with WM6 for my device.
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I'm a loyal AT&T/Cingular user for years, but im just getting into the PDA section of AT&T so far I like my 8525, but my fav thing is the WiFi, that all I need and use, aside from the occasional phone cal, I just took advantage of a near NEW 8525 for $100 on craigslist last weekend

I don't know why anyone is interested in the official WM6.1. I've had cooked versions of this for months. Same thing happened when WM6.0 was officially released. I tried it out and it was crap compared to the cooked versions.

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I don't know why anyone is interested in the official WM6.1. I've had cooked versions of this for months. Same thing happened when WM6.0 was officially released. I tried it out and it was crap compared to the cooked versions.
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So why not share one that doesn't hard reset every 5 minutes?

Currently using Schaps WM6.1 Beta which doesn't hard reset every 5 mins, and chances are Official release will require a lot of reseting anyhow

t-readyroc said:
I see 6.1's already been integrated into a Hermes rom?
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No it hasn't.

Fallen Spartan said:
I don't know why anyone is interested in the official WM6.1. I've had cooked versions of this for months. Same thing happened when WM6.0 was officially released. I tried it out and it was crap compared to the cooked versions.
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Some of us see so many different versions out there and aren't sure which one to use.
I find my official 6.0 adequate, I'm not even sure what I'd look for in a 6.1.
I'd also want it to be completely stable.

Official T-Mobile(US) WM 6.1 projected release?

Anyone have any info on the projected release of the official T-Mobile(US) Windows Mobile 6.1 ROM available for download from their website?

Just out of curiosity, did you hear they were even planning on releasing an official 6.1 ROM for the DASH?

I know I had inquired about this around April through their "tech Support"... >gasp< >choke< >cough, cough<.... and things didn't look good as far as an update - although I really think they didn't have a clue to what I was talking about or what Windows Mobile was....

johnambler41577 said:
I know I had inquired about this around April through their "tech Support"... >gasp< >choke< >cough, cough<.... and things didn't look good as far as an update - although I really think they didn't have a clue to what I was talking about or what Windows Mobile was....
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lol I got that same vibe from the customer care team! "We have no knowledge of a Windows Mobile 6.1". Like there's some sort of federal figure that'll come from the shadows and abduct them if they utter the words...

It probably depends on just how long tmo-usa is planning to keep selling the DASH. It's been around for a while and they had to put WM6.0 on it because it was still selling fairly well.
I know tmo isn't what it used to be when it comes to putting out hot, new phones and end-of-lifeing older ones, but it just wouldn't seem like a smooth business move for them to put out WM6.1 on such an old phone. After all, they want you to keep buying new ones at contract's end.
Still, it might take a single tmo developer about a day-and-a-half to take one of Kavana's or Ricky's ROMs and brand it for an upgrade

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It probably depends on just how long tmo-usa is planning to keep selling the DASH. It's been around for a while and they had to put WM6.0 on it because it was still selling fairly well.
I know tmo isn't what it used to be when it comes to putting out hot, new phones and end-of-lifeing older ones, but it just wouldn't seem like a smooth business move for them to put out WM6.1 on such an old phone. After all, they want you to keep buying new ones at contract's end.
Still, it might take a single tmo developer about a day-and-a-half to take one of Kavana's or Ricky's ROMs and brand it for an upgrade
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Na it won't be out thats what I heard that 6.1 will not come out for the dash. Also, they plan on discontinuing the dash with the new 3G coming in since the dash is not 3G compatible.