Thats the question: is it really time for WM6?
So far i believe that the device cannot digest what we have so far of WM6. Too many non-functional things or bugs if you would like to say =_=
Device auto-locks and asks for password and if you dont have a password you cannot get into the device other than by soft reset. Asks password even for activesync! PDAViet has problem with activesync in vista as it disconnects after 5 minutes. WiFi only turns on from Comm center. Hang up's on 25MB free RAM. A lot of memory leak! 10MB to run SPB Time -_-...
The password/auto-locking issue is main i find very frustrating and also the memory problem. Infidel's ROM is fortunately safe on RAM but not on password/auto-lock.
Need i say any more bugs? If you have anything more to add please do as I am going to stick either with WM5 as someone posted earlier.
WM6 looks nice but it's not fuctional right now I guess!
and I'm really confused about ROMs and Versions!
now I have time to try...but after my classes starts, I think I'll back to WM5 AKU 3.5 and install my programs!
so now playing with WM6 maybe a good ROM will show up soon!
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Thats the question: is it really time for WM6?
So far i believe that the device cannot digest what we have so far of WM6. Too many non-functional things or bugs if you would like to say =_=
Device auto-locks and asks for password and if you dont have a password you cannot get into the device other than by soft reset. Asks password even for activesync! PDAViet has problem with activesync in vista as it disconnects after 5 minutes. WiFi only turns on from Comm center. Hang up's on 25MB free RAM. A lot of memory leak! 10MB to run SPB Time -_-...
The password/auto-locking issue is main i find very frustrating and also the memory problem. Infidel's ROM is fortunately safe on RAM but not on password/auto-lock.
Need i say any more bugs? If you have anything more to add please do as I am going to stick either with WM5 as someone posted earlier.
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unfortunately I haven't met with ANY of your serius bugs... not a memory leak, not a requested passw without setting it.. not a soft reset in the last 4 days.. I'm using midget's first WM6 rom..
Urm.....
We have a leaved version of an RTM build purely for development purposes.
It's not complete, it was never going to be commercially released for this device, and it's missing lots.
And you're complaining?
It was never meant to be used by non developers. We use it because we like to play with things, but you can't knock it because you don't want to use it due to the bugs, most of those bugs weren't there in the pure base release from Microsoft. They are things we have introduced by installing non WM6 software, hacking the ROM, and so on.
im using the viet pro one and having no problems!
had it for about 3 days now and not needed one reset! still got 20mb ram free, and i use tomtom all day and internet explorer.
as for password on activesync, well my activsynch asked for a password once then asked me do i want it to remember the password, i clicked yes and not been asked since.
Nuclear, you were in on the other thread on this subject:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291291
I don't think this thread adds much to that debate.
I can say from personal experience that I have a friend that has been running the roms on various devices for several months continuously, for low level development, Live instant messenging for 6 hours daily, web browsing over wifi (with Picsel), and general phone use, and never found it to have any significant negative side effects.
In fact, getting rid of the HTC Phone Skin and replacing it with the new default dialler improved the speed of the device so much that he would never go back.
Frankly, with the ability to make custom roms, even if the Crossbow leaks end here, there's still a great deal to be happy with right now.
You've been complaining about the wifi problem for a while.
My friend doesn't find it to be crippling, but I advise him to use VJVolubilis for this anyway, or just the CommManager. The functionality could be hacked back in if required, although it's hardly worth the effort for one extra click.
He's not noticed any major incompatibilities, although he tends to write his own stuff anyway, and no noticeable memory leaks with the default system.
He's also never noticed any peculiar password issues. ActiveSync always worked fine. Maybe he's not been exposed to the problems you've experienced, and this may be due to differences in builds, but in his opinion, even the existing Crossbow leaks are more pleasurable to use then the normal WM5 roms. It's not a major advancement, mostly cosmetic as far as most non-developers are concerned, but still enough improvements to make it worth experiencing at least.
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Some people are Mac users, and crave simplicty, in which case I advise them to use a Palm (Sorry, Access Garnet OS device now), some people like to tweak, and play, and learn how to do thigs themselves, which is where we like to play with Windows devices
dont like to play and tweak get a basic nokia
Vijay555 is spot on there. In my opinion (and I am using Indra's version), the current state of WM6 for the Universal device is excellent, and while still not perfect, way better than any of the officially released roms. I use my Universal for work, I use it really heavily during project meetings, for mail and internet and so forth, and I found no real reasons to complain.
However, WM6 is NOT an official release and if you install and use it, you cannot criticize its bugs. The fact alone that it was not officially made available to you by T-Mobile, Qtek or O2 voids all your rights in that area.
Your only "right" is to help all the goodwilling people in this forum by identifying issues in a positive and constructive manner so that they may be taken along in future releases.
Personally, I think that until now, WM6 (and already AKU3.5 to some extent) has proved to be a breeze of fresh air compared to the older release roms. I will not be going back to WM5, WM6 is stable enough and fast enough for my personal needs.
Nuclear, just some friendly advice. If I were you I would either go back to a release rom and stop whining, or stop flaming the current release and start giving some feedback that is actually useful. We all know that WM6 only came to us by "accident", and that we should be grateful for what it brings instead of pissing on what it doesn't bring.
(Now can someone close this thread please? I think enough has been said about WM6 and its bugs/issues)
I have seen so many complain about WM6, which I definitely not understand. I have been using the WM6 PADVIET 2.00.4 pro now for quite sometimes.
I have to say it is great ROM. It is very stable, it has good performance, battery live is great .
Well Yes agreed it has sure few miner bugs but they are not Stoppages. Looking back all the ROM’s that started here they had as well “bugs” beside missing or not jet functional OS application. Well it is up to everyone whether those miner issues are so important for their own.
As I believe this forum is a kind developing form. We are using ROMs that officially not exist and will never exist for our Universal. Only those guys which spending time and efforts, making it possible to see and operate those in our devices. Those people need our feedbacks to find out issues they were not aware or had not the opportunity to test the functionality of those application. Indeed as we can see after sometimes there are new ROM’s and they are better than previous ones.
Just look to largest software company our Dear M$. it has probably the best programmers, biggest budgets to come up with software’s which suppose to function perfectly . However, it ends up always with upgrades, missing futures. In fact most of the software companies existing because of the deficient’s of M$
However I have seen complain issues which leads that the WM6 seems a crap but many user here do not observe those issues at all. In my previous upgrades to AKU 2.0 ; 3.3, 3.5 etc. I have observed that one same ROM after installation seem really making a lot problem but after reflashing it next time the ROM looks and operates great. Therefore, I have learned to flash a new ROM at least twice before installing my applications.
Talk about application software. Most of the current application software versions are not ready for WM6 therefore some of them giving trouble for entire OS and slowing down or leading miss functions.
Furthermore, all the available WM6 ROMs are routed from only 1-2 different basic version of WM6. Therefore major differences of those based mostly by Reg. tweaking by each cookers.
Well what I am trying to say here is: a child has to learn working before running. It needs support, experience in order to archive running ability. Therefore, peoples testing and feedbacks will lead that this child will run really super fast. At least the first indications are obvious for that.
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Nuclear, you were in on the other thread on this subject:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=291291
I don't think this thread adds much to that debate.
I can say from personal experience that I have a friend that has been running the roms on various devices for several months continuously, for low level development, Live instant messenging for 6 hours daily, web browsing over wifi (with Picsel), and general phone use, and never found it to have any significant negative side effects.
In fact, getting rid of the HTC Phone Skin and replacing it with the new default dialler improved the speed of the device so much that he would never go back.
Frankly, with the ability to make custom roms, even if the Crossbow leaks end here, there's still a great deal to be happy with right now.
You've been complaining about the wifi problem for a while.
My friend doesn't find it to be crippling, but I advise him to use VJVolubilis for this anyway, or just the CommManager. The functionality could be hacked back in if required, although it's hardly worth the effort for one extra click.
He's not noticed any major incompatibilities, although he tends to write his own stuff anyway, and no noticeable memory leaks with the default system.
He's also never noticed any peculiar password issues. ActiveSync always worked fine. Maybe he's not been exposed to the problems you've experienced, and this may be due to differences in builds, but in his opinion, even the existing Crossbow leaks are more pleasurable to use then the normal WM5 roms. It's not a major advancement, mostly cosmetic as far as most non-developers are concerned, but still enough improvements to make it worth experiencing at least.
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I second on the above..WM 6 actually tempted be to go back to Universal..from Hermes..and so far in rough Indian conditions(Network Congestion,lots of GPRS bandwidth sharing, huge voice traffic during peak hrs etc etc) my Uni is performing to its best.I wud really like to thank for all who are involved in WM 6..
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Nuclear, just some friendly advice. If I were you I would just stop.
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Sorry, I know that this is WAY off topic, but still:
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Sorry, I know that this is WAY off topic, but still:
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I have PDAviet version and everything is working fine including voice comand and speed dial. All programs i had in wm5 are working
Wiz said:
In my opinion (and I am using Indra's version), the current state of WM6 for the Universal device is excellent, and while still not perfect, way better than any of the officially released roms.
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Hi,
where can I get Indras WM6 Version. I thought it did not come out yet. Can you give me the Link to this Rom Version please?
Thank you...
now try using wm6 on a G4 version of HTC Universal, makes all the difference in the world (trust me, i have g3 and g4 )
I have been using Midget's WM6 ROM for over a week and it works for me! No real problem, me I don't miss video call since not many of my friends got it anyway, WM6 fix my SIP problem, all my major programs work so far. Only thing I would like to fix is the occasional hang after a soft reset.
The new Windows Live is great, spead is great, new icons/graphic is great, no real memory leak observed, no problem with ActiveSync 4.2/4.5 nor Vista, having to turn off Wifi in commgr is not the end of the day. I tried the PDAVIET WM6 ones but could't get my AvantGo 6.2 work on it for love nor money. I am sticking to Midget's WM6 ROM for now and waiting for Helmi's new release!!
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now try using wm6 on a G4 version of HTC Universal, makes all the difference in the world (trust me, i have g3 and g4 )
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Just out of interest, how can I find out which version is my Vodafone V1640?
Bootloader version 2.1 = G4
Bootloader version 1.x = G3
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I have seen a lot of posts about cooked rom etc. Just curious what am I gaining by upgrading to WM6? I see there are still bugs to be worked out and community support is definitley the way to do it.
I am a newbie, and I know the upgrade isn't ready for me but I am tempted to test and help the community out but not sure what additonal features are added in WM6 that I should look for and test?
Also which ROM seems to be a all in one upgrade for the Cingular 8525?
Just the faster navi and app run speed will make u wanna upgrade. btw..seems to be more stable than WM5.
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I have seen a lot of posts about cooked rom etc. Just curious what am I gaining by upgrading to WM6? I see there are still bugs to be worked out and community support is definitley the way to do it.
I am a newbie, and I know the upgrade isn't ready for me but I am tempted to test and help the community out but not sure what additonal features are added in WM6 that I should look for and test?
Also which ROM seems to be a all in one upgrade for the Cingular 8525?
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Here's a MS press release that you can check out:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2007/feb07/02-11WM6SoftwarePR.mspx
As far as which WM6 d/l's out there, you can refer to the stickies in this forum or the wiki.
Your device will faster, stable, nice icons, you get all the benefits from the new upgrade pointed to you and its feels like a new PPC at zero cost.
It's faster!
I can also confirm, that WM6 is much more faster (my subjective impression is about 1.5 to 2 times faster).
And it looks better
soniX
Can somebody post a benchmark, so we can measure the benefit of WM6.
Still there are many bugs, and different bugs in the WM6-ROMs.
Speed & Style aren't the only quality-attributes!
PostDeals said:
I have seen a lot of posts about cooked rom etc. Just curious what am I gaining by upgrading to WM6? I see there are still bugs to be worked out and community support is definitley the way to do it.
I am a newbie, and I know the upgrade isn't ready for me but I am tempted to test and help the community out but not sure what additonal features are added in WM6 that I should look for and test?
Also which ROM seems to be a all in one upgrade for the Cingular 8525?
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popularity amongst your geeky collegues.
A resume about WM6 / Exchnage 2007
A resume about WM6 / Exchnage 2007
If you're coming from the stock cingular rom (1.34), everything just feels a lot faster, and much more stable. You'd have to spend some time reading to get some of your cingular specific settings back. A lot of those settings are floating around the boards.
If you're after all inclusive, it looks like threedes released a rom with several added programs. If you just want a rom that feels like stock cingular, check out lvsw. that's what i'm running on my 8525, and it's great.
Some additional functionality as well. One of the small yet convenient features is the ease of which you can add a recently called number to existing contacts. in wm5 i would have to start as if creating a new contact and copy and paste the number to a new one. just my penny and a half
After a week with WM6 I've decided to go back to South African ROM 1.35 and Radio ROM 1.27.
Just too many bugs and minor flaws with WM6 I tried I just felt it ain't worth the hustle. ROM 1.35 was as fast and more stable with programs than WM6 was.
I will just kick back and wait for a possible REAL WM6 rom to appear from operators or something. Better to have a stable phone with less pretty icons than a flashy looking pda with bugs.
And since you can gain pretty much everything (xcept for those icons) with tweaks/utils I haven't really found WM6 to be any better.
But isn't WM6 at least twice as fast on your tytn? Mine is and this is a big benefit. Changed again from the e61 to the tytn..
SPB Soft works like a charm.. BT and WIFi do work with WPA2.. Vodafone works great as well.. Never had a more clear sound..
I wouldn't like to change back..
My personal view is that WM6, at least the version I have used, is no faster then the WM5 I was using. I think the reason people always claim the new ROM's are faster is because it is a clean install, the same thing happens with Windows on your PC.
Apart from lots of small tweaks here and there, there is nothing major in WM6 with the exception of the themed bars being more curvy. It's more of a WM5 with a couple of service packs to me. Still, worth a look.
Definitely noticed a significant improvemnt in responsiveness on my M3100.
Also, less phone lockups /issues I think.(subjective judgement)
steiale said:
But isn't WM6 at least twice as fast on your tytn? Mine is and this is a big benefit. Changed again from the e61 to the tytn..
SPB Soft works like a charm.. BT and WIFi do work with WPA2.. Vodafone works great as well.. Never had a more clear sound..
I wouldn't like to change back..
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Well this 1.35 ROM is as fast as WM6 I had. The AKU 3.3 ROM version I had was slow as hell. Speed wasn't the reason to change back from WM6 but the annoying little bugs:
- Windows Update wouldn't close but using Task Manager
- Turn WiFi Off from the balloon
- TomTom 6 ocassional start up problems
- Soft key setup's little change under Text Messages (Where it used to be New now had Delete)
- Pocket MSN/Live problems (constantly tried to open the GPRS connection after sign off and closing the app).
- SPB Backup problem (couldn't unlock a file)
- WiFi annoyance: Even when there were available APs, the
phone didn't announce it but you had to manually go see if there were any
These problems (that I remember off hand) are the reason why Im not going to use WM6 anymore until some legimit party releases one.
@Steiale: You said WPA2 works. Does that mean you can use WPA-AES encryption? If so: what exact version of WM6 are you using - vanilla, ...?
Thanks in advance,
Michael
Can somebody post a benchmark to compare?
2x faster, 1,5x faster isn't much representative.
If a Rom or Radio upgrade is released the signal strenght is always better and always faster and much better battery duration.
If it really was so, we should all have 365 days battery lifetime without charging and always full signal strenght and the program is opened before pressing a button.
Since upgrading to wm6 the most significant changes for me is that it runs faster than wm5 and the pocket outlook (messaging) now does html email
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BT and WIFi do work with WPA2...
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Which wm6 rom are you using?
WPA2 is important to me, and would be a reason to upgrade. You do mean WPA2 with AES?
Are these things improved on the mailclient:
- selection of smtp at time of sending (like is possible on symbian), or support for different smtp profiles
- specification of the imap root folder
- bluetooth pan (would love to use this to connect my laptop via tytn to 3G)
Thanks!
Jörg
Well, after just 1 week, WM6(Most Beautiful Edition) seems
1) much, mush faster than before. Faster than my friends WM5 on Dopod838Pro(Hermes).
2)more RAM even
3)Hmm, looks like I am the only one who likes the delete softkey in messaging replacing the new... Probably because I just use SMS...
4)Stable.
5)Faster reboot(useful if you tend to try new software almost every other day).
6)Widcomm can now power up easier(less or no driver memory error). Yeah, for me, the MS Bluetooth stack still sucks for A2DP).. File transfer seem more faster too, probably a pyschological effect from the faster interface..
Hello all,
With all the awesome chef's in the kitchen it is hard to ask this question... but I will.
I would like to know what the most stable WM6 rom is, In your opinion.
I have used Black 2.0... for 2 weeks (seemed flawless)
Then I tried Tried 2.5 then LVSW, and even Custel's ROM but get random freezes, I grab the phone and its froze, missed how many calls?? I can't have this.
Something I might be doing you say, possible but I have even installed no additional apps, and only sync to exchange. I see others having some various issues with differnet roms. So this prompted me to ask the question I have.
So whats the most stable ROM?
i use black 2.5 with his new memory.cab and works great no problems. what programs are you using b/c it may be related to them. maybe use sktools to delete some unneccesary programs from starting on boot and go from there.
Black 1.2 with a weeks+ of working it to perfection. No need to flash anything else for me until WM7 comes out. lol
Coming back to a froze device sounds like you have the sd card lockups, and not rom related, but if you dont have a card installed, dismiss my post.
I was using Black 2.5, I have a lot of freezes in particular when I activeSync and I do activeSync A LOT, (freeze about every 3rd time I activeSync). A few miss call, and call which I have no audio.
I switch to LVSW 4/23 (FULL version), currently with the same applications installed on Black 2.5, my phone seems to be running well, no freezes yet for half a day already. (ActiveSync more than 10 times already)
I am not saying there is any problem with Black 2.5 rom. A lot of people are very happy with Black 2.5. What I am simply saying is that with the set of applications that I need (a few of them are beta apps), LVSW seems more compatibility than Black.
P.S. Using PhoneAlarm, PocketInformat, CEStar, ISilo, Cyberon Voic Speed Dial, and SplashID
I've had no freezing issues, only app I install is im+
I am running Black 2.5 and I too am having similar ActiveSync problems. And it freezes every third time as well. Strange....
noop said:
I was using Black 2.5, I have a lot of freezes in particular when I activeSync and I do activeSync A LOT, (freeze about every 3rd time I activeSync). A few miss call, and call which I have no audio.
I switch to LVSW 4/23 (FULL version), currently with the same applications installed on Black 2.5, my phone seems to be running well, no freezes yet for half a day already. (ActiveSync more than 10 times already)
I am not saying there is any problem with Black 2.5 rom. A lot of people are very happy with Black 2.5. What I am simply saying is that with the set of applications that I need (a few of them are beta apps), LVSW seems more compatibility than Black.
P.S. Using PhoneAlarm, PocketInformat, CEStar, ISilo, Cyberon Voic Speed Dial, and SplashID
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Previously I was using Black 2.0 and never had one freeze. But since I upgraded to 2.5 I get random freezes like couple times a day, I suspect this could be due to the new OS build? Once I have time I would probably reflash it back to 2.0 cuz it's rock stable for me.
Black 2.5 is working sweet as for me.
Couple of freezes with LVSW and XDA Live, but nothing major, i had freezes with the OEM rom, its just what phones and computers seem to do these days!!
I;ll stay Black, but at the end of the day, use the rom, which you think you will get the best community support, has the best community friendliness and if you ever do have troubles, you shouldnt be troubles trying to fix them!
keep in mind that these ROMs are essentially beta (even if based upon the "final" WM6). they do not undergo the rigorous testing that a carrier would provide.
if you are unwilling to deal with this (and RTFW for answers), then you might be better sticking with the factory shipping WM5 roms...
I like Custel's rom, support is there, and rom is quick n smooth
LVSW 4/23
The full version of LVSW 4/23 is the most stable so far for me. This is the first of the WM6 ROMS I can open and run Netfront, Newsbreak, Pocket IE, Messaging, Camera, Resco Explorer, get a phone call at the same time and still have no freezing. I did a little tweaking to it, but out of the gate it is just fine. All I really needed to install in the Keyboard fix and the Cingular settings.
noop, the reason you freeze alot or crashes alot is becoz of CE-Star..all i know is LVSW does not have the problem, but all other rom does...
Don't use the one from WM5, i remember there is a lite version on this fourm (topic x01ht showing chinese or sth)
Why i know, coz i just install ce-star on black, it will never work..it will crash almost anything...The guy who made the lite has a re-edit version of Ce-star for crossbow, that you have to try your own..since all i need is viewing~
They are all good!
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...but at the end of the day, use the rom, which you think you will get the best community support, has the best community friendliness...
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We are all one big happy community here at XDA Developers!
For me with the earlier round of ROMS LVSW 4/23 worked the best. Zero problems. Haven't finished trying out the latest batch yet so I can't say. The bottom line is that with these ROMS you really do have to try them all and make your decision on which one best meets your needs when coupled with the software that you use.
All of these cooks are turning out some nice ROMs, the problems are more frequently caused by programs that are not yet certified for WM6 and the cooks, of course, have no control over this.
I would also suggest not to use any program to clean your OS, e.g. memory maid as it seems become unstable for all rom after cleaning the system with this kind of software.
Hi all,
Thanks for all your responses. I agree support from this forum family is awesome. I also agree with trying several roms to find the one that best fits my needs (but I don't yet know what they are, I just moved from a treo 650, and prior was a treo 600)
I am on LVSW now, I will try it for a bit and see how it goes. I do like Custels as well... Hmmm decisions, decisions. lol
Well thanks again for your responses and thant you Chefs for all your diligent work. You're the Kings in my book.
Comparison Page???
Would it be posible for the creators of the roms to tell us ALL of the bells and whistles that each of them has on it, and someone could compile a chart or page to compare them all? Obviously, the Voice Dial function is important to me, and I dig the Space Invaders, but there is so much more. I would be glad to do it if I could get the info on each with which to begin. As for Stability; is there a way to do a survey that would allow us to rate them according to the opinion of the users here regarding speed of boot/reset and stability and whatever anyone else can think of?
I recently moved to the Dutty Premier Windows Mobile 6 - Full Edition - Version 1 and So far I am very happy with it. And it appears to have all the tools and toys I want and need . . . so far.
Thanks,
If one doesn't already exist, someone please set up a wiki page for comparisons and we'll sticky it.
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vijay555 said:
If one doesn't already exist, someone please set up a wiki page for comparisons and we'll sticky it.
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This is the best there is at the moment.
Not my work just bringing it to your attn
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Cooked_ROMs
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Custel Cingular 1.2
The only WM6 ROM I have upgraded to is Custel's Cingular 1.2. It was a problem free upgrade and I have not experienced a single freeze and the only soft resets I have done were those required to install other applications. Unless someone, including HTC or Cingular, comes out with a version that adds features that I can't live without (and are not added to these cooked ROM's on this forum as CABs), I will be happy to stay with my current version.
I don't think I'll switch yet obviously because I'll wait for a stable version, but, in the end, will it be worth switching? What are the main advantages of WM6?
Native SIP, that's my main concern and the only real main difference i see ^^
and office and html-mail
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I don't think I'll switch yet obviously because I'll wait for a stable version, but, in the end, will it be worth switching? What are the main advantages of WM6?
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seems stable enough to me, im well happy with LVSW ROM
wm6 is faster, trust me it worth it
I'm using the LVSW ROM here and everything is working good here too. It's not a big change like WM2003SE -> WM5.. but there are some nice changes in WM6. I find it as stable as WM5 for a normal user like myself. By not upgrading you are cutting yourself out from the "Trinity Mobile 6" forum in xda-developers... which should be reason enough to upgrade alone...
I'll offer some ridiculous opinion.
It is worth upgrading to WM6 once you have already upgraded to WM6.
But truthfully, there isnt that much extra in WM6. So it's not especially worth upgrading until you have upgraded... at which point you have nothing to lose.
I suppose it won't do any harm, if it is faster, I would be interested...but in what way? Is that just in running apps and stuff? Also, what's the user memory available?
Well, I found it worth switching to mUn's version, its faster, I have office 2007, better wifi, not any major change, but yeah, its worth it!
Most of those switching at present are doing it 'because they can'
We want to have the most up to date devices, and we love fiddling and sometimes faffing, sometimes f***ing!
If your PPC use is mission critical, don't even consider it until RTM versions are available. Both current WM6 versions are works in progress, fantastic though they both are.
Each has strengths/weaknesses and these forums are invaluable in shaking those down; hopefully before too long we will have fully functional versions we can recommend to everyone.
Once mun_rus fixes the ActiveSync problems, we will be much closer to a fully configured WM6 build which is fast and reliable, and there is no doubt at all the LVSW won't be far behind.
Hopefully their sterling efforts will shame HTC into providing a 'factory' ROM for those who don't like the risks involved in unofficial ROMs, but I suspect that these 2 will remain ahead of the game in providing faster, more memory efficient,customised versions.
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Most of those switching at present are doing it 'because they can'
We want to have the most up to date devices, and we love fiddling and sometimes faffing, sometimes f***ing!
If your PPC use is mission critical, don't even consider it until RTM versions are available. Both current WM6 versions are works in progress, fantastic though they both are.
Each has strengths/weaknesses and these forums are invaluable in shaking those down; hopefully before too long we will have fully functional versions we can recommend to everyone.
Once mun_rus fixes the ActiveSync problems, we will be much closer to a fully configured WM6 build which is fast and reliable, and there is no doubt at all the LVSW won't be far behind.
Hopefully their sterling efforts will shame HTC into providing a 'factory' ROM for those who don't like the risks involved in unofficial ROMs, but I suspect that these 2 will remain ahead of the game in providing faster, more memory efficient,customised versions.
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Excellent round up of most users' opinion here I guess I'm using LVSW's version now, no huge changes and stuff, but the extra speed and cool new looks are enough for me , and of course if it's there, why not try it
you guys present compelling reasons to check out the WM6 ROMS, however, i have a couple of concerns/questions: does GPS & TomTom 6 work and internet connection sharing work with the upgraded ROM? what about the Office 2007 apps included with WM6 are they working? i just began reading the threads so forgive me if these questions have been answered already. thx for the replies...
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you guys present compelling reasons to check out the WM6 ROMS, however, i have a couple of concerns/questions: does GPS & TomTom 6 work and internet connection sharing work with the upgraded ROM? what about the Office 2007 apps included with WM6 are they working? i just began reading the threads so forgive me if these questions have been answered already. thx for the replies...
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Everything you mention works. Not sure about the internet sharing tho, can someone tell if that works?
Internet sharing works perfectly well
Will the same software still work? Along with backups?
I follow you , My problem is that i got too much soft on my wm5, and it'll take me too much time to reinstall all this. So can we backup from wm5 and restore to wm6 ? ( is there some changes in the registry architecture ? )
thanks for your answer.
torpie13 said:
I follow you , My problem is that i got too much soft on my wm5, and it'll take me too much time to reinstall all this. So can we backup from wm5 and restore to wm6 ? ( is there some changes in the registry architecture ? )
thanks for your answer.
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I ain't no ROM-chef, but to my knowledge the registry is very much the same on both OS'. However: i must stress that it is very unwise to restore backups that were made on a different ROM image (that's even the case for same OS ROM's, like WM5 aku 2 >to> WM5 aku 3 for instance).
For best performance without any quirks, you should best always rebuild the device (and hey; WM6 probably makes you require less third-party apps )
The only problem i see for now is that video call and VOIP don't work well on those WM6 roms, everything else is fine and nice but it kinda takes away the benefits of upgrading to WM6. I'm going back to WM5 after a week of testing but I admire the work of those fantastic devs !
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I ain't no ROM-chef, but to my knowledge the registry is very much the same on both OS'. However: i must stress that it is very unwise to restore backups that were made on a different ROM image (that's even the case for same OS ROM's, like WM5 aku 2 >to> WM5 aku 3 for instance).
For best performance without any quirks, you should best always rebuild the device (and hey; WM6 probably makes you require less third-party apps )
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But with all those same apps work on WM6?
Has anyone tried Spb GPRS monitor on it?
I need this program cuz i run my laptop's internet through it.
NOW DISCONTINUED. SEE POST ON PG7 FOR ALTERNATIVE
AC - Naked ROM
This ROM is designed for "professionals", that is, someone who needs functionality and raw performance over endless crap, gimmicks and slow animated uselessness.
Testing shows it to be extremely fast, uses 45% of memory day-in-day out.
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(does not include CorePlayer, Garmin XT, Skype or Screen Capture)
Use it if you meet this criteria
1. use the stylus often and dislike big controls designed for fat fingers
2. need raw speed and good looks without animation
3. want minimal installed cabs so you can use your own which you keep in /Storage
4. do all your Comms (phone, messaging, tasks, calendar) from the Today screen
5. use your device as GPS on the move (tested with Garmin, Microsoft Voice command over bluetooth)
6. do not use MMS, upload to facebook or youtube.
7. prefer original WM over HTC apps and feel where possible
8. hate Microsoft Media Player and use CorePlayer or Pocket Player Bundle
9. prefer Voice Command to read out your calls and text messages rather than fancy ringtones
10. don't like Titanium or Manilla that much ('cause it ain't included!)
Installed apps
Adobe Reader 2.5
Office (without Onenote)
Total Commander (replaces Explorer)
HTC: FM Radio, Calc, Camera (inside Pictures & Video)
.NET 3.5
Removed
Windows Media Player & DRM, Titanium, Touchflo & 3D, MS & HTC stuff like marketplace etc
Installation
Once installed it will take a while before Windows starts.
During this time your device will have a blank screen.
It has not been bricked just wait a bit! Also see Known Issues for hints.
Current version & download
1(WM:23001,HTC:2.07)
Recommended Extras
Microsoft Voice Command (working call announcements) - reboot after install & see Settings for reading normal priority txt msgs
HTC Task Manager - reboot after install
Known Issues
prob: no longer asks for screen calibration on install.
fix: Do manually via Settings > Screen until I find a fix.
prob: after installed you'll get a white screen saying "please wait".
fix: Hit one of the top icons and it'll go away.
note: I'm looking for a fix without enabling HTC's RunCC.
prob: clicking the battery icon doesn't do anything (it should really invoke power).
fix: access manually via Settings until I fix.
prob: screen text is default (one size too large imho). Need to find the registry key to notch it down a level.
fix: do manually via "screen"for now.
prob: the background is a gif as I can't workout how to get the compiler to use a jpg for the Default_stwater.
fix: none
issue: slight colour banding because of it.
prob: empty Tools folder on Start-Menu.
fix: delete it from /Windows/Start-Menu/Programs
issue: can't find the location to kill it so you'll need to do manually.
Do you have pics of your version ?
coming up
I can not download the rom file. bad link
It's working fine and has been for hours
Sounds like nice ROM. May I ask you for some pictures?
Of what? It has the default Windows dialer and the start and program screenshots can be found at the top post (I added them). Regards, Andrew
Sounds good... But can u publish yo kitchen, m8, becoze i need to integrate a cirillic dialpad and keyboard to yo ROM?
And make a mirror, plz...
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AC - Professional ROM
This ROM is designed for professionals.
It is extremely fast and uses 41% of memory whereas most take 60-70%.
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Don't you think it would be fair to mention that those "most" roms are using TF3D, and you are not?
There are many roms, in which you can have this "professionalism" in memory and speed if you switch off all interfaces and leave bare WM.
So, be fair, and change this line. Compare it ONLY to bare roms without manila. Then it may be not so super-special, but just another rom without manila....
But of course the "professionals" will see it. It's the "not professional" who may fall for this advert....
P.S. If I switch off manila, then I have 39% after boot-up (with lumos, and other software in background). Is that something special? Not, it's standard. At least with Nataly roms.....
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Don't you think it would be fair to mention that those "most" roms are using TF3D, and you are not?
There are many roms, in which you can have this "professionalism" in memory and speed if you switch off all interfaces and leave bare WM.
So, be fair, and change this line. Compare it ONLY to bare roms without manila. Then it may be not so super-special, but just another rom without manila....
But of course the "professionals" will see it. It's the "not professional" who may fall for this advert....
P.S. If I switch off manila, then I have 39% after boot-up (with lumos, and other software in background). Is that something special? Not, it's standard. At least with Nataly roms.....
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Dude cut him some slack.. The guy is just contributing his work. It wouldn't hurt to make a general comparison of his rom with others regardless if it is with touchflo or not since he is not asking money for his rom. At least he did not name 'whose roms were those.' If he wants to call it a professional rom then so be it, nobody has monopoly over that word is it not? Let the user judge for himself if this rom is worth his while or worthy of such title.
Here's two reasons ...
1. there are no startup or scheduled services running so battery life is rather good. In standby last night with no activity and full charge the battery still shows as full (that's 8hrs standby!).
2. there is no Manilla OR Titanium. Which other ROM does that? There is no Windows Media Player. Which other ROM does that?
You'll have to try it out and see why.
Other poster >> I'll zip up the kitchen and post as soon as I get a moment. What are these two packages - if they really add value I'll include them for next release.
Look, I'm cutting slack, etc but... If you publish something, then it's up to public to judge it.
So, it's good there's another cook, only let's be fair. It used to be, that such roms were called inthe thread title [naked] or [no manila] or anything else, BUT it was clear.
reason 1 - hmm, to me it looks like the common fault of all diamonds - battery metering, especially at full charge isn't reliable. For me the way to check it is to measure the mAh drain of the battery. This is closer to being objective.
reason 2 - every rom which is provided with kitchen can do that (remove manila), and lately there are lots of those, so practically everybody can adjust the rom to their liking with or without manila or titanium.
Anyway - what I'm suggesting is a clear and consistent naming and comparison of the roms. Since pietrucci stopped doing benchmarks there are no reliable scores to compare speed, memory etc, so people look at descriptions. Therefore those descriptions should be as accurate (and fair) as possible especially when you are trying to compare one rom with the other.
Good luck with your project.
Well I agreed with what you were saying and made the changes you suggested. I've also changed the 41 to 45% memory as this is what it uses with constant usage over a couple days.
A.
snoopy20, will you make a new b.23004 ROM with 2.09 drivers? And kitchen actually yet...
snoopy20 said:
Here's two reasons ...
1. there are no startup or scheduled services running so battery life is rather good. In standby last night with no activity and full charge the battery still shows as full (that's 8hrs standby!).
2. there is no Manilla OR Titanium. Which other ROM does that? There is no Windows Media Player. Which other ROM does that?
You'll have to try it out and see why.
Other poster >> I'll zip up the kitchen and post as soon as I get a moment. What are these two packages - if they really add value I'll include them for next release.
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OK, so you've got a fast and stable rom... but a rom that doesn't do almost nothing...!
In that way, it's better buy a cell phone instead of a PPC/PDA...
Ignore the whingers...
..., their venal sniping and their inane comparisons with the work of others.
As the saying goes: "There are none so blind as those that will not see..."
I like that your ROM is geared towards using your phone as a tool, not a toy.
Looking forward to seeing what you come up with in the future...
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Don't you think it would be fair to mention that those "most" roms are using TF3D, and you are not?
There are many roms, in which you can have this "professionalism" in memory and speed if you switch off all interfaces and leave bare WM.
So, be fair, and change this line. Compare it ONLY to bare roms without manila. Then it may be not so super-special, but just another rom without manila....
But of course the "professionals" will see it. It's the "not professional" who may fall for this advert....
P.S. If I switch off manila, then I have 39% after boot-up (with lumos, and other software in background). Is that something special? Not, it's standard. At least with Nataly roms.....
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I agree, cut the chef some slack. I take "Professional" as in 'professional users only'. Naked roms do take some patience and skill to tailor to your needs. Some people want a rom that takes little effort others do want more control.
I''m agree with huisie. You make a good job and this ROM realy needed. First, I d't know any other naked wm6.5 ROM with fresh build within. Sec, I d't know any ROMs without WMP and so many deleted trash.
I think You wrong to call your ROm 'Professioal", but the name "Bussiness" are fit correctly: this ROM not for a play, it's for job.
Truely speaking... I am loving this ROM... Thanks a lot....
Excellent, the first happy customer.
I will update to 30004 soon and aim to wrap up the kitchen asap.
If anyone knows how to or where to ask in order to solve these little bugs please let me know or ask away on my behalf.
PS) I'm after stability and bug-free operation over compiling to the latest XIP release so I wont be doing daily updates. Most XIP updates seem to pertain to fixing OEM compatibility and Titanium issues anyway so it's not so much an issue with my ROM.
PS2) I think TaskManager is mandatory but when compiled into the ROM it doesn't run automatically, hence I provide as a separate package. The compiled voice command doesn't read out calls/messages either which is why that is as a package too (tested and working this way).
A.
Sticky this. Add it to your favorites. I know a lot that is said here will hit home with a lot of you. You may be thinking it but today I am saying it.
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T-Mobile Dash (HTC S620):
The JOGGR bar flips out at random and scrolls uncontrollably. This carries on until the phone is locked and then unlocked. This is present even when the JOGGR is set to adjust the volume (and this has been present since WinMo 6, maybe even 5).
The ear piece tends to cake up with dust.
The radio/phone never seems loud enough.
The phone can be very slow.
The phone can, and has, shut off while sending an MMS message or using Wifi.
Windows Mobile 6.5:
I dislike that the SMS bubble pops up while you're composing a message.
I really dislike that hitting the Dismiss option does nothing.
I hate that I have to click View to get rid of the text bubble.
I am actually quite livid that I have to then open my Drafts folder to continue the message that the text bubble interrupted.
It makes me laugh just to have another text bubble come up while I am trying to finish the text in the Draft folder only to have to repeat the entire process and hope not to get interrupted again.
I don't like that sometimes the SMS history messes up and when I do "view" the message I have to scroll down and select "Newer" until I get to the message (and then quite possibly another text will come in prompting the bubble).
Often times the ROM is slow loading the proper keyboard configuration so when starting a new text or replying to one rather than getting the letter "S" one will get the number "4," etc. This doesn't happen if one lets the phone sit a moment and fully load the text message however. Shouldn't happen at all really.
The need to use Task Manager or Celetask to end an application. When I hit the "End Call" button that is IT for that application until I open it again. I don't get why Microsoft does not understand this. It's PHONE, NOT a COMPUTER (so-to-speak (I want it to be more like a phone than a computer since there are no "exits" or "close buttons" on the apps)). A good example would be Internet Explorer (I use Skyfire but this is just an example). The only way to close IE on this or any version of WinMo is to use Task Manager or CeleTask! Come on!
I have flashed my phone with this ROM just as any of you would have. I think that some problems stem from how the ROM was cooked. Especially when it comes to the text bubbles. I have looked in Automatic Keylock and another place on the phone I cannot recall at this time and have done what I thought would disable the bubbles but to no avail.
If someone could chime out here and just tell me how to turn those blasted things off I'd be so happy. There are a lot of things I like about the phone but the things that are wrong with it are just so deeply rooted into it's very foundation, it's very being that to make it right Windows would have to be completely redone and the phone itself would need it to.
I know the HTC S620 is old now. I don't plan on going to the 3G Dash. I believe I will be moving on to another phone but I have no money to do that right now and I needed this off of my chest.
Please, post your grievances with the phone and the OS. I cannot be alone here!
You really seem to hate that bubble, it is not part of WinMo 6.5, its an addon software which ookba cooked in the ROM, SMS Bubbles u can disable under Tools > SMSBubbles Settings/Disable.
The phone u can make it faster by disabling the skin, also disabling mortscript from starting up. Skin u can disable form HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Phone\Skin make Enabled 0
Exiting apps, some do, some dont, most of the time its harmless, but sometimes mem eater soft do slow ur system down, IE6 in Official WinMo 6.5 have an Exit button, MS listened and added it, but IE6 will be very slow on the Dash.
I just want to say you are right but the thing with making a perfect running Tweaked s621 u have too hard reset a few times til you get every single file on without any issues once you stablize everything the s621 has no issues The newest Kavana 6.1 build is the best way to go i found the EV6.5 isnt quite ready for the s621 yet its good but u can't mess with it too much like mad tweaking it with stuff, Overall the 6.1 Kavana Rom is sick with NRG etc's help lag free and is real nice even at 174 MHz underclocked no freeze all day etc remember like ive said i have all 6.1 modz and it took me many hard resets and setting up's to be where my s621 is today, cheers Rock On XDA Friends if i can call ya all That
kingmabuto said:
You really seem to hate that bubble, it is not part of WinMo 6.5, its an addon software which ookba cooked in the ROM, SMS Bubbles u can disable under Tools > SMSBubbles Settings/Disable.
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Thanks for this. I always over look something like this. I believe that may be the place that I said I couldn't remember. ^^;
kingmabuto said:
The phone u can make it faster by disabling the skin, also disabling mortscript from starting up. Skin u can disable form HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Phone\Skin make Enabled 0
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What would be the outcome of disabling the mortscript? What is it's purpose and what would I be missing out on by disabling it? Also, when you say "skin..." what would change about the look of the phone?
I find the bubble annoying and it was one of the first things I disabled when I flashed to this ROM, heh.
I agree -- the Excalibur is a little older, but it can still perform pretty well. I like having multiple applications running in the background so I don't have to restart my web experience just to reply to a text message. Though I guess if it saved its state like an iPhone, it wouldn't matter... but I think that sort of functionality is beyond the device. IE6 mobile does actually have a Menu -> Exit option, but it's just WAAAAY too slow for use on an Excalibur.
I also disable the Jog except for changing volume while in calls. Makes it a little more stomach-able. Auto Keylock is a lifesaver, for me, heh.
I agree that the phone's quiet and that the hole fills with dust. Annoying, but not so much so that I hate the phone.
I actually *do* want a Dash 3G as I really like the form factor of the Dash but really want the gobs of extra RAM and data speed of the new device.
Gotta say for all the quirks, the Dash is amazing phone, i use a Tilt as main phone with my custom ROM to which i'm very fond of but still have times i use the Dash especially when surfing as the keyboard is so lush to use and the display is pristine, yes it's old but still so functional, after all it is what you make it!!!
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HTC S621 Best Smartphone To date Still Besides the Dash 3G Series SP's
I have had all Htc Phone's and i always seem to go back to this S621, i had the cavalier s630 s730 710, P4000 CDMA. still liked the s62X better i even had a touch pro, Diamond and htc snap on cdma got it for like 130 on kijiji im a rogers gsm fan but still i like this s621 better, i do wanna try the 3G dash maple etc those look like seriously nice Smartphones, but the Snap i did not like it, a keys not right. the cdma dual europe gsm enabled when roaming verson.
I love how i got 6.1 tweaked now LCD Mod etc Weather 1.2.1 NRG mad!! i've had s621's.. for the past 3 years, but is just so nice, soo.. many WM. mods, thank you XDA!
stylez said:
Gotta say for all the quirks, the Dash is amazing phone, i use a Tilt as main phone with my custom ROM to which i'm very fond of but still have times i use the Dash especially when surfing as the keyboard is so lush to use and the display is pristine, yes it's old but still so functional, after all it is what you make it!!!
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LoL, yeah, you'll notice that there weren't many issues under the actual phone category in my original post.
Long Live The S621 phone good for many more years...
How much time do you think this could last? I'm talking about the whole dash rom updates and all the other amazing things that keep our beloved dash alive. The phone is 3 years old, where do you think will be the peak of its functionality to the average users...where you can say.... My God!...my dash is useless ...
I think our dash will go for a lot longer than anybody will think.. this dash came out way ahead of itself release i believe was July 2006 but this phone didnt become popular s621 not s620 til about 07 early, i dint think i even remember people useing smartphones in early 07 lol.. but in my opinon with 6.1 + on this s62X is gonna last for awhile more..
Get Android working properly on the Dash to replace windows mobile and that will extend out its life a few years.
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Get Android working properly on the Dash to replace windows mobile and that will extend out its life a few years.
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I hope so, this thread has hit the nail in things that most of us hate about WM and the dash, probably we will have another thread in the near future "things I hate about Android and T mobile dash" lol...
gmaniac2008 said:
I hope so, this thread has hit the nail in things that most of us hate about WM and the dash, probably we will have another thread in the near future "things I hate about Android and T mobile dash" lol...
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Or we could just be happy and content and realize nothing is perfect
In my opinon this s621 is perfect atleast mine, things a rocket never freezes at 174 Mhz etc i can say out of the last 6 months or so i finally have my s621 running problem free, hard resets and resetting everything up again almost drove me insane but now my s621 Kavana 6.1 Tweaked to zee heavens is sick now, gonna get a Ozone now gotta see if i can get one shipped out to Canada, Ozone is a serious looking Smartphone.
stylez said:
Or we could just be happy and content and realize nothing is perfect
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lol....you are completely right..., maybe we just need to realize that.
gmaniac2008 said:
lol....you are completely right..., maybe we just need to realize that.
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I just love HTC devices Give me a spv c550 or a TP2 and i wouldn't moan, well maybe a little "to myself" until i got it tweaked...
Lets face it we could have symbian phones to which are not very tweakable and nowhere to spend our time
I'm just a realist "said in comedy"
I jus think u gotta get your phone tweaked to the max on a new rom, get er stablized good and the s621 is all u can ask for pretty much atleast still meets 09 standards just bout for a smartphone besides 3G and GPS but me myself i use PURE wi-fi, tho i think this should protain more to the HTC Ozone with 3G, gonna be a fun phone to tweak.
stylez said:
I just love HTC devices Give me a spv c550 or a TP2 and i wouldn't moan, well maybe a little "to myself" until i got it tweaked...
Lets face it we could have symbian phones to which are not very tweakable and nowhere to spend our time
I'm just a realist "said in comedy"
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Right again amigo...Lol..but why HTC has that peculiarity??? I love HTC phones.. Maybe is this forum by itself that "transmits" that adrenaline or addiction to go beyond and explore the limits of these phones can give us by tweaking them. I used to have Moto Q previously with WM 6 also...but a headache to tweak'em and not to much places to go. As far there are people like yourself and many other chefs we will be standing here to see what's next and keep tweaking our phones and making unlimited posts...
BoooooooYA!