I'm thinking of replacing the housing on my SPVM2000...found a guy selling housings on ebay and just wanted to know if any1 here found any links on disasembling the blueangel? TIA
Hi There,
I have disassembled many devices over the years, and no matter how delicate you are with them, always keep in mind that most of them were never designed to take the stresses and strains of being dismantled.
Chances are too that you might nick a ribbon cable or worse, the board and turn your device into a pretty looking paper weight.
I live by the rule of "if its not broke, dont fix it."
If you do happen to go ahead with it then I wish you the very best of luck!
Whiterat said:
always keep in mind that most of them were never designed to take the stresses and strains of being dismantled
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i live by the rule: "if it has screws - unscrew it and dismantle!"
almost every electronic device can be dismantled easliy... im not pro-uber-electronic but ive dismantled many electronic devices of all kind, including every phone/pocketpc that i ever had and i never had any problems with putting them back alive... just remember to be careful with mainboard, extremally careful with display and treat well the display cable/tape
ouch... and try not to damage the guarantee sticker... or get one on ebay
white screen
hi,
i tried opening my Pda2k as it was having a sound of a broken peice inside after a free fall to the ground, well, i got the tiny broken peice out, but now i have a white screen with no display, it seems the the pda is working well but there is no display,
i tried several times to plug the Screen plug into its socket but no way, sometimes it gets display but for a second then vanish .
any help from those who have done this several times ??
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Alright... so the other day i take my sx66 out of my pocket, only to see the touch screen cracked... the phone still works, most of the time, and you can still use like half of the screen. So i need to know, how hard is it to actually change out touch screens. Ive heard it is difficult, and would really like to know how to do it.
Thanks
-Greg
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Alright... so the other day i take my sx66 out of my pocket, only to see the touch screen cracked... the phone still works, most of the time, and you can still use like half of the screen. So i need to know, how hard is it to actually change out touch screens. Ive heard it is difficult, and would really like to know how to do it.
Thanks
-Greg
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We can repair the system for you. We do not have DIY kits for the TS repair though.
http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~u...epairs-Full+Service+Repairs~item~XDA-TS03.htm
wow, wayyyy to expensive... you can almost buy another unit for that... i mean, i can buy the touch screen for ~$40, and do it myself. i heard it requires some soldering, and what else?
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wow, wayyyy to expensive... you can almost buy another unit for that... i mean, i can buy the touch screen for ~$40, and do it myself. i heard it requires some soldering, and what else?
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You can do it yourself. We've had people do it before. Some are successful, most end up causing more damage and have to ship it in anyway.
Here are some tips:
First, double-check the new TS. There are few different mfg of the TS. Some that we evaluated have fibers & dirt between the layers of the TS.
Be very careful with the flex cable coming off of the LCD. It runs through the slide mechanism and tears easily. You'll need to remove the LCM assembly from the top cover/slide assembly.
Use a soldering iron to desolder the TS cable from the back of the flex cable of the LCD. Use a xacto knife or something similiar to seperate the TS from the frame of the LCD. Usually the TS will shatter during this process. If you push the blade in too far, you'll scratch the top of the LCD which cannot be repaired. If you get the glue from the seal of the TS onto the LCD, you'll need to use 99.9% alcohol to clean the top of the LCD using a microfibre cloth. Having tweezers handy helps.
When you go to install the TS, start at the top and then slowly lower it onto the frame of the LCD. Do not push it all the way down. You'll probably have several bits of dust and debris that has been attracted to the TS. You'll need to have moisture free air to gently blow out the dust before pressing down and sealing the TS. We actually use grade 5 nitrogen to blow out the area.
When resoldering the cable do not apply too much heat since the mylar of the cable melts easily.
Hopefully with these tips and others on the board, you'll be successful.
thet doesnt sound hard at all. last night i already took it all apart, and didnt mess up anything. so hopefully i can get a new ts and get it back on without damaging anything. thanks so much for the info.
I got something really weird..
I have opened the unit and checked the configuration..
The old TS versus the new TS is totaly opposite?
Old 1 2 3 4
New 4 3 2 1
Pin configuration..
I manage to hook it up but it won't get pass the alignment screen.. is there a way to re-teach it?
Please help..
nique said:
I got something really weird..
I have opened the unit and checked the configuration..
The old TS versus the new TS is totaly opposite?
Old 1 2 3 4
New 4 3 2 1
Pin configuration..
I manage to hook it up but it won't get pass the alignment screen.. is there a way to re-teach it?
Please help..
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If it will not align, then the pins are hooked up out of order or the TS is defective.
The interesting thing, there are different touchscreens, have different pinouts. The most important thing (from my experience) is to connect pairs properly. So, you have on touchscreen top, bottom (vertical pair), left and right (horizontal pair). If you'll look at touchscreen, you'll see how your cable is wired to glass/film. At first, you definitely need to put pairs properly. vertical to vertical (on board) and horizontal to horizontal. If you'll mix up wires - you'll fail calibration procedure.
By the way: if you'll mix up top and bottom or left and right - touchscreen will work and pass calibration. Of course, calibration values in registry will be hmm... other, than usual, but touchscreen will work.
If you have multimeter, you can easily check your tuuchscreen. Horizontal pair should be 250..400 Ohm, vertical - 300..800 Ohm. If your touchscreen is not tapped, there should be infinity (not connected) resistance between pairs.
Where can you buy replacement touchscreens or housings?
ebay. search for all the different models and use worlds like broke, dead, fix repair, etc. And if you buy the right touch screen then you don't need to do any soldering. It's a really simple job. The hardest part is the disasembly, but just take your time and for god sakes tape all your screws to a white peice of paper and label them :roll: i can't tell you how many integral screws i've lost doing stuff like this.
alright, so im getting ready to buy a new TS... the SN of my phone is... HT509D615597. so what TS would i need?
this one...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...10024651851&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1
or this one...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...ryProximity&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
Thanks!!
i've got this big ass crack on my display last night. the touchfunction dosn't work so I can't press my PINcode to access the telephone. how, where and how much can i replace the display?
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i've got this big ass crack on my display last night. the touchfunction dosn't work so I can't press my PINcode to access the telephone. how, where and how much can i replace the display?
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The best price I've seen for the touchscreen is on ebay. But, there are a few catches...
First issue: There are two different LCD/touchscreen assemblies that were used on the angel. One is made by Sony, the other by Toppoly. The touchscreen or LCD from one can not be used on the other due to programming and physical layout.
Second issue (and this is probably the biggest): The way they touch screen and the LCD are connected is a major pain in the arse to fix. It's a plastic ribbon cable that has been soldered to a point on another ribbon cable. Unless you are very good at soldering, it's not something I'd attempt due to the largish chance of melting the cables and making things worse, not to mention the potential to hurt the LCD itself.
If you look in the wiki under the hacks and tweaks, the Technical Stuff (including disassembly) link has two pages to look at:
Blue Angel/PPC6600 Disassembling Procedure with Pictures
Blue Angel Spare Screen
While they are not the best pictures, the last image under the disassembling section shows the ribbon cables I'm referring to, and the touchscreen assembly picture for the spare screen page shows a sony touchscreen ribbon cable detached from the LCD cable, which will show the connection points I'm referring to.
I've got this exact issue as well on my O2 branded angel. Due to the cost of a new LCD/touchscreen assembly (almost the cost of a working angel), I'm considering trying to solder a new touchscreen. If I ruin it, well, I've got parts for the next one I get.
I replaced a touch sreen today, its not that bad if you have soldered before. Unfortunatly the screen i got of ebay is not perfect and will need replacing. I have contacted the seller to see if he will send me another one.
Its worth doing!
Gary
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I replaced a touch sreen today, its not that bad if you have soldered before. Unfortunatly the screen i got of ebay is not perfect and will need replacing. I have contacted the seller to see if he will send me another one.
Its worth doing!
Gary
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I've soldered plenty of times (a bit out of practice tho), but never something like that.
Any tips and suggestions? My main worry is melting the ribbon cables.
Well, no real tips, just take you time and don't rush it. The plastic can stand quite a bit of heat, i never managed to melt it, The job looks harder that it realy is. you will need a steady hand! Also , taping the connector down before you solder helps.
Gary
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Well, no real tips, just take you time and don't rush it. The plastic can stand quite a bit of heat, i never managed to melt it, The job looks harder that it realy is. you will need a steady hand! Also , taping the connector down before you solder helps.
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Ok, that's good to know. The plastic didn't look all that durable, but if it's stouter than it looks, I may check with the house controller (aka CFO aka my wife ) and see if we can spare the dosh to pick one up.
I have to be careful as she wants it once it's fixed!
how do i separate touch screen and lcd? i only need to solder the new touch screen, right?
any help? thanks
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how do i separate touch screen and lcd? i only need to solder the new touch screen, right?
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There is a disassembly guide in the wiki.
What kind of screwdrivers are needed to remove those tiny screws on the LCD/ digitizer casing. I have 2 SX66's with broken LCDs and one with a broken digitizer. Time for some repairs.
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The best price I've seen for the touchscreen is on ebay. But, there are a few catches...
First issue: There are two different LCD/touchscreen assemblies that were used on the angel. One is made by Sony, the other by Toppoly. The touchscreen or LCD from one can not be used on the other due to programming and physical layout.
Second issue (and this is probably the biggest): The way they touch screen and the LCD are connected is a major pain in the arse to fix. It's a plastic ribbon cable that has been soldered to a point on another ribbon cable. Unless you are very good at soldering, it's not something I'd attempt due to the largish chance of melting the cables and making things worse, not to mention the potential to hurt the LCD itself.
If you look in the wiki under the hacks and tweaks, the Technical Stuff (including disassembly) link has two pages to look at:
Blue Angel/PPC6600 Disassembling Procedure with Pictures
Blue Angel Spare Screen
While they are not the best pictures, the last image under the disassembling section shows the ribbon cables I'm referring to, and the touchscreen assembly picture for the spare screen page shows a sony touchscreen ribbon cable detached from the LCD cable, which will show the connection points I'm referring to.
I've got this exact issue as well on my O2 branded angel. Due to the cost of a new LCD/touchscreen assembly (almost the cost of a working angel), I'm considering trying to solder a new touchscreen. If I ruin it, well, I've got parts for the next one I get.
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Hey MATE!! damn why didnt i ask this before!!!
i have the o2 xda IIs.. same problem, display works fine.. but tapping doesnt! after it was dropped!
Now, i got a guy to get a spare MDA T-mobile (blueangel) which doesnt work, but its lcd/touchscreen works.. i connected that LCD to my O2, it didnt WORK! how can i differentiate b/w the two LCDS?
i mean, how can i know that the LCD is made by Toppoly or Sony?! that'd be a great HELP!
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i mean, how can i know that the LCD is made by Toppoly or Sony?! that'd be a great HELP!
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Part numbers on the back or the cable design.
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BlueangelLCD
TD035STED1
this is the code written behind my LCD. I have the O2 XDA IIs.
Is there anything else I need to look at aswell? or should I just buy a LCD with that code?!
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TD035STED1
this is the code written behind my LCD. I have the O2 XDA IIs.
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Interesting. Looks like the LCD used varies depending on when the phone was made.
My O2 has the Sony LCD.
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Is there anything else I need to look at aswell? or should I just buy a LCD with that code?!
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Cables and the wiki. The link I posted shows the difference between the two.
And yes, you will have to get the same LCD assembly/glass cover as what you have now. The two are not interchangeable.
There is a tool set you can purchase at radioshack that has the proper tip. Its a cheaply made tool but does the job. It is one of the kits with many bits. It would be the star tip. You can also order the tool online. I've taken mine apart a few times. Its sort of a pain but gets easier the more times you do it (replaced my screen three times). I have however, never been able to get the touch to work again because I can't really see how I would be able to solder such a fine ribbon. Ive had my mogul for almost a year and if my memory serves me the metallic strips are only about an 1/8th of an inch thick or less. I got lazy and put a piece of tape across the ribbon and put a small amount of glue to hold it down. Still didnt work. Didn't really expect it to either, but it was worth a shot. I turned it into insurance said I lost it and ended up with a broken 6600 and when I called to complain they sent me a mogul. So it's been awhile but I loved the phone. Hope this helps out.
dont scare the people
it can be replaced in 15 minutes with proper tools (screwdrivers)
i ve found some russian manual with pictures how to disasemble the BA (just look for it on the net) and its very easy, no need for soldering
there are 2 versions of displays, one have silver ribbon and the other have golden
when you opet your BA you ll see the display and the ribbon, also there is serial number of the display so you can check it too... all BA displays on the ebay have info about the ribbon and the serial number
I bought it for about 30$ and works perfectly, as original one...
buy digitizer and screen in one piece
you have to be total noob to have problems with changing of the display, so go for it !
If you are planning to replace the digitiser YES you do need to some fine soldering, all you need is the correct soldering iron tip for fine soldering and it is possible, done it about 4 times so far and everytime I promise myself not to brake it again but hahaha,
You can buy the LCD + digitiser together if you are unable to do soldering,
I use a razor which i took out from my shaver and thats what I use to seperate digitiser from lcd.
There are very cheap digitiser panels on EBAY, However some of these are not so good and ( digitiser is a 2 layer glass assy.) sometimes little area of this 2 layers stick together making touch screen non responsive.
Alternative is look out for spares, repairs sales if the screen is good buy it replace it, if you are a novice when it comes to these things, just take your time and dont rush it, even if it helps make little notes when you are opning the device as it ll make it easy when it comes to puting it back together.
And if you can get your hands on one keep a spare screen
Im sooo sad
I just cracked my screen I really hope I get a replacement cus I got more attached to my BA ever since I found out I could upgrade it. I thought it was not a biggie crashing it because I have dropped so many times and nothing happened but today something happened...
screen is 30$ at ebay, and no need to be sad, in few days it can be fixed
Hi guys,
The trackball on my Orbit has stopped recognising being rolled up, left or right, and the silver clickwheel is stiff. Is this repairable myself, or should I be looking at a new motherboard?
Cheers,
Nick
hey dontpannic, don't panic
at least not too hard.
It is possible to exchange the trackball unit. You can sell a new one on the internet (I bought one via eBay, it was in your country and very cheap) Allthough, it is kind of hard to get the old unit out of your phone. You will have to totally apart your phone, because the trackball unit is stick to the daughterboard which is behind the LCD
There are a number of guides to help you apart your phone, you can find it somewhere on this forum. Once apart, you can blow the dust out and uncover your current trackball (mine was kind of hidden ) Or you can get the whole trackball off the board and replace it.
(I should note I got my phone apart couple of times, so have some experience. It can be tricky)
ciao!
I agree with amfasis, it can be tricky but gets very easy once you've done it a couple of times and know what to expect (how much force to apply separating parts...)
Everything on the daughterboard is pretty open under the cover so I suspect something sticky got dripped in there (cola?) from the symptoms you mention.
I thought I had a problem with my daughterboard as well since I was getting random scrolling action in all applications, but it turned out I had some dirt stuck on the side of the screen giving a bad signal on the touchscreen.
I took apart my whole trackball and even took the silver cover off the silver scroll wheel toggle and took out the tiny spring... that was an adventure getting it all back together correctly after cleaning!
I chalk all of it up to an excellent learning experience and now have no fear of taking it all apart just to look at it again. You will too.
Good luck!
Thanks guys! Will give this a try and see what happens
Ebay start selling red and black back cover plate and just wonder if anyone know how to?
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Ebay start selling red and black back cover plate and just wonder if anyone know how to?
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Yeah i bought red one. but you can't do it without a new LCD screen maybe. . My current one is black... changed the battery part once. but still don't know how to change the housing... i hope someone can teach us..
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Yeah i bought red one. but you can't do it without a new LCD screen maybe. . My current one is black... changed the battery part once. but still don't know how to change the housing... i hope someone can teach us..
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Well, let me try... If you changed the battery, you already know how to replace the backplate, so it shouldn't be a problem. If you want to replace the midframe/housing, that's quite a bit more work, but still doable, if you are comfortable working with heat gun or hair dryer. I would strongly recommend watching some YouTube videos on the subject (phone model doesn't matter; you just need to understand how to work with a heat gun and a suction cup). Also, finding a good disassembly guide for ZL would be useful, to make sure you follow the teardown steps properly.
Note that I personally haven't done a full ZL disassembly, but I know how it's put together, and I have done similar repairs on multiple other phones, including Xperia Z, Z1, LG G2, Galaxy S2 and others. Basically, you need to remove the backplate, then disconnect everything and remove all components accessible from the back, making sure not to damage ribbon cables in the process (some of them are very delicate). This is where a good disassembly guide comes in very handy. After that, you are left with the most difficult task: removing the display/digitizer assembly without damaging it. You need to carefully (that's the keyword here!) heat it up around the perimeter to loosen up the adhesive, and carefully pull it from the housing with a suction cup, working your way around the edge with a plastic spudger, or a guitar pick, or a similar tool. At this stage, you can quite easily break the glass, or split the LCD/digitizer "sandwich", so, again, be careful!
If you have no experience whatsoever doing this, your screen's chances of survival are quite slim. I am pretty handy with electronics and with stuff in general, and literally spent years with soldering iron in my hands. Still, my first two attempts were fudged up (the screen was already damaged in both cases, so no harm done, but lessons learned). First time, I fried the display with a heat gun. Second time, cracked the glass trying to separate it from the housing. That was enough for me to learn the tricks. So, be prepared to replace the screen, if you break it. But hey, you may very well get lucky, and do it right the first time around...
Assuming you are through the disassembly process, you will then need to put the phone back together in your new housing, using two adhesive gaskets: one for the display, and another for the backplate. I would recommend buying the proper pre-cut adhesive for your phone (check out Amazon or eBay), but you can also use a narrow high-quality double-sided tape (3M or similar), manually cut in place.
Good luck!
Tried googling up but it seemed that there are no guide for changing the housing for xperia zl.
But oh well, maybe I need to buy the lcd screen just in case I failed. But thanks! That'll boost my spirit up to do it
Dropped the phone and no damage to the actual unit, but no sound and no microphone were working. And the camera app crashed when switching to video. the video camera was loose so i plugged that back but the only other thing i can see that is *damaged* was this little thing that came loose. I can't think what else might have happened.
Anyone have any ideas? This really can't be the lynchpin for sound in the phone
Any drop sufficient to do all that could damage traces on the mobo, crack solder joints even internally damage chipsets.
Always use a good case to keep G force loading from a fall in a survivable range.
blackhawk said:
Any drop sufficient to do all that could damage traces on the mobo, crack solder joints even internally damage chipsets.
Always use a good case to keep G force loading from a fall in a survivable range.
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The only issues i face are:
No sound
No Mic
Headphones won't register.
The coax cables are all in, everything "looks" normal but that one little thing in the picture. Surely there would be more noticable damage, or more issues with the phone. All disassembly videos are either not in english or not the Mi 10 Lite
It may be a simple issue.
Many of the conductors and semiconductors are measured in microns on the chipsets. Hundreds of thousands of them... and more.
That was certainly enough force to fracture solder joints. Even with visible solder jionts detecting cracks can be extremely hard to do.
There's no way to even examine BGA chipset solder joints. You can try gently flexing the mobo to see if you can find the fault but even if you localize it... fixing it may prove much harder if it's even possible to do.
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It may be a simple issue.
Many of the conductors and semiconductors are measured in microns on the chipsets. Hundreds of thousands of them... and more.
That was certainly enough force to fracture solder joints. Even with visible solder jionts detecting cracks can be extremely hard to do.
There's no way to even examine BGA chipset solder joints. You can try gently flexing the mobo to see if you can find the fault but even if you localize it... fixing it may prove much harder if it's even possible to do.
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Balls. My next step is to buy a new speaker unit for the bottom as i think that is where it landed and might make sense for the headphone jack to no register etc. Though why that would effect the top speaker i don't know. Would rather fix than bin since the camera is hard to beat without going up in price and there is absolutely nothing else wrong. Such dumb luck
Yeah... John Wicked the phone.
The case is the only thing that's saved me. I'll go for months with no drops then...
Might be easier to get a professional estimate on the repair. Replacing it may be a better option for you especially if the mobo is damaged.
Keep it as a parts queen.
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Yeah... John Wicked the phone.
The case is the only thing that's saved me. I'll go for months with no drops then...
Might be easier to get a professional estimate on the repair. Replacing it may be a better option for you especially if the mobo is damaged.
Keep it as a parts queen.
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yeh i put my bag on and didnt know the zip was open. It's either buy the same phone, for £30 more as it was on offer, sell this for "it kind of works 70%" Or i could just get a bluetooth headset for calling
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yeh i put my bag on and didnt know the zip was open. It's either buy the same phone, for £30 more as it was on offer, sell this for "it kind of works 70%" Or i could just get a bluetooth headset for calling
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BT works well for calls on the 10+, it's what I use most of the time.
Another same model is a great option if you really like that model.
I got a 2nd new 10+ last week as a backup.
Without a good case my 10+ been long dead by now though. Lots of accidental drops on concrete... it's going to happen.