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Why am I selling my universal to ebay

You can see the item 9133392608 is for the sale to the ebay.
The reasons I would like to share with you are the following:
1. The unit is not very practical for business use.For example on the road you have to open the unit and press the stylus . Totaly impractical , I use to have a P910i and I could do any task (e.g. check my email) in 2 seconds.
2. Although the screen is VGA you cannot take advantage of it.
3. With any ROM i had tried (inluding latest DOPOD rom) , only with i-mate latest ROM i have 99.99% reliability.
4. The BT (JX-10) disconects sometimes with all the ROM i had tried.
5. It is like a PC (I have powerbook MAC tiger since 1 year) that needs formating once a week so it can work faster.
6. The 3G (UMTS) it's nice but OS it is a big bottleneck.
7. It cannot be sync MAC OS X without any issues (like my P910 use to). There is a sofware called missing sync in beta for WM5 but it doesn't work always.

Why am I KEEPING my universal
amavro said:
You can see the item 9133392608 is for the sale to the ebay.
The reasons I would like to share with you are the following:
1. The unit is not very practical for business use.For example on the road you have to open the unit and press the stylus . Totaly impractical , I use to have a P910i and I could do any task (e.g. check my email) in 2 seconds.
2. Although the screen is VGA you cannot take advantage of it.
3. With any ROM i had tried (inluding latest DOPOD rom) , only with i-mate latest ROM i have 99.99% reliability.
4. The BT (JX-10) disconects sometimes with all the ROM i had tried.
5. It is like a PC (I have powerbook MAC tiger since 1 year) that needs formating once a week so it can work faster.
6. The 3G (UMTS) it's nice but OS it is a big bottleneck.
7. It cannot be sync MAC OS X without any issues (like my P910 use to). There is a sofware called missing sync in beta for WM5 but it doesn't work always.
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1. the unit is very practical for using on the road (do you know any other laptop that fits your pocket :wink: )
2. you can use the VGA screen if you want to (its not easy though)
3. up to date stock info is more reliable then old info 8)
4. ..
5. its like a PC i can do everything i want on it.
6. i love having internet in the train
7. can sync with exchange server

amavro said:
You can see the item 9133392608 is for the sale to the ebay.
The reasons I would like to share with you are the following:
1. The unit is not very practical for business use.For example on the road you have to open the unit and press the stylus . Totaly impractical , I use to have a P910i and I could do any task (e.g. check my email) in 2 seconds.
2. Although the screen is VGA you cannot take advantage of it.
3. With any ROM i had tried (inluding latest DOPOD rom) , only with i-mate latest ROM i have 99.99% reliability.
4. The BT (JX-10) disconects sometimes with all the ROM i had tried.
5. It is like a PC (I have powerbook MAC tiger since 1 year) that needs formating once a week so it can work faster.
6. The 3G (UMTS) it's nice but OS it is a big bottleneck.
7. It cannot be sync MAC OS X without any issues (like my P910 use to). There is a sofware called missing sync in beta for WM5 but it doesn't work always.
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1. If you don't know how to use it, it's very impractical yes.
But if you know how to use the keyboard, you can start any program and do everything without having to touch the stylus or the screen. It's perfect for in a car as I use it like that with a brodit carholder.
2. It has VGA and it's perfect for using remote control like www.logmein.com, I can connect to my homepc 640x480 full screen and start a download so when I come home it's finished, or check websites that don't work very well on Pocket internet explorer.
For as far the desktop of the pocketpc, who wants that in VGA mode all the time? it's way to small for that.
3. I use the latest QTek ROM and it has eveything I need like MSN, A2DP, AKU2 and is super stable. Nothing to complain.
4. I am using a bluetooth carkit supertooth II and a Bluetooth GPS at the same time without any problems.
5. It's like a PC I can watch series like southpark in the car with the sound coming from my car speakers with an FM transmitter. I watch videoclips, MSN, read email and the only time when I need to reinstall it is when I want to checkout another ROM.
6. The UMTS is perfect when my DSL is down, I connect my Universal as a modem and use the internet through the UMTS connection.
Download abut 45KB upload 7KB. Only for the low ping of 200-250ms it still is perfect for browsing and even downloading stuff.
7. Then stay with your P910 and your Mac. When you bought a Mac you knew you would have compatibillity issues with almost every program on the internet. Now the Universal doesn't work very well you balme the universal?
I am happy with my universal, and the complaints you are making has nothing to do with the universal. But with the user behind it .

amavro said:
7. It cannot be sync MAC OS X without any issues (like my P910 use to). There is a sofware called missing sync in beta for WM5 but it doesn't work always.
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Buying a Pocket PC for use with a mac is... mad, surely?
Next time, do your homework, and nice seeing you - enjoy your P990 forums.

I planned to buy a Universal on eBay, but after reading your post I decided not to bid on a machine as lousy as that
j/k

GUys...
Use Nokia HS 12w...Stereo BT,FM and caller ID...I hope this eliminates all the "impractical" things

Speed and reliability
This is the key for a business phone appart from practicality.
I loved the phone for the 3G / UMTS connection but Microsoft had prooved again how badly they design their OS.
I agree with you that it is cool but it is a gadget and gadgets are cool.
But if you want to be serious and do some work , you would wait , upgrade the ROM when a new version comes up , sync again ...and waste your time.
It is no suprise that companies who control the biggest of the mobile phone market they don't use the WM as an OS but symbian.
On the other hand I am very happy to read this forum and I would missed that .

BT doesn't always works fine
hdubli said:
GUys...
Use Nokia HS 12w...Stereo BT,FM and caller ID...I hope this eliminates all the "impractical" things
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Using the ROM of QTEK the BT JX-10 lost it's service and I had to re-enable it at the time that I was in a meeting.
With i-mate ROM i didn't had this issue but sometimes the voice was breaking up.

hi
in one of the posts above.. i noticed that the author is using gps via BT
i love my jasjar and use a holux bt gps with the universal but every 6to 7 mins the jj goes screen off and i have to re-establish the BT connection
how can i make some settings that would let me JJ keep awake and not turn the BT off...
im using the latest qtek rom aswell
thanks

zohaer21 said:
hi
in one of the posts above.. i noticed that the author is using gps via BT
i love my jasjar and use a holux bt gps with the universal but every 6to 7 mins the jj goes screen off and i have to re-establish the BT connection
how can i make some settings that would let me JJ keep awake and not turn the BT off...
im using the latest qtek rom aswell
thanks
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I don't know why that happens. If I were you I would do the following.
1. USe the houlx with another pocketpc to find out if the problem lies with the holux GPS or the Universal.
2. If it's the Universal upgrade to the latest ROM.
3. I use the Universal in my car with an active holder. So it's charging while I am using my GPS and the screen stays active. Maybe that has something to do with it but I doubt it. I use the Adapt 300 GPS by the way.

belfast-biker said:
amavro said:
7. It cannot be sync MAC OS X without any issues (like my P910 use to). There is a sofware called missing sync in beta for WM5 but it doesn't work always.
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Buying a Pocket PC for use with a mac is... mad, surely?
Next time, do your homework, and nice seeing you - enjoy your P990 forums.
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From your footer I see that you have a history with WM including VELO 1.
I had one too , and return it for a PSION and then PALM devices and never got a WM device only till recently.
FYI, the jasjar syncs with MAC OK with missing sync beta 2.5a10 .
I think I would go for an E61 nokia instead .

I just sold my O2 Exec on eBay too, for the same reasons -- not practical for business. Too "clunky" physically... OS and software too slow.
Back to my SX66 (BA)...

mooving from format windows PC to "format" WM5
leek said:
I just sold my O2 Exec on eBay too, for the same reasons -- not practical for business. Too "clunky" physically... OS and software too slow.
Back to my SX66 (BA)...
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If a symbian OS mobile was using a 500Mhz processor than it would be able to make some coffee , wash the dishes ..etc.
WM5 mobiles are power / memory / system resources hungry .
Of course it always depends of the user , if you want the smallest notebook like a friend here wrote than it is the one.

huhu
He's just trying to sell his item doh.... a new way to market things.

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re_ipsa said:
He's just trying to sell his item doh.... a new way to market things.
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This is not true , item was sold at the first hours before I posted this thread.
You can see also by your self.

hdubli said:
GUys...
Use Nokia HS 12w...Stereo BT,FM and caller ID...I hope this eliminates all the "impractical" things
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Which ROM Are u using to get these features, Please let me know i will upgrade mine.
Cheers, Taurus

NEW T-Mobile UK MDA Pro ROM available

It can be found at the following URL. Its dated 19/06/06
http://t-mobile.iris-global.com/download_manager_mda_pro.html

duhuh

HI
is it good to upgrde the jasjar and is it support arabic language

Has anyone installed this rom any feedback, What are the rom details is it different from the previous one.

wassa said:
It can be found at the following URL. Its dated 19/06/06
http://t-mobile.iris-global.com/download_manager_mda_pro.html
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It is'nt a new rom, T-mobile UK 1.30.114, date:18.04.2006.

this rom not support arabic at all

I installed this ROM few weeks ago and so far the best one. I had before QTEK one and EXEC, but this one is the best.

I have installed the new T-Mobile rom this evening with no problems... having re-synced with mail2web, I was able to immediately use push email and a2dp and wireless headset profiles (via a motorola h820 headset).
a2dp was satisfactory - audio quality wasn't perfect but acceptable, although there was occasional break-up (albeit I was walking around at the time) - I'll need to test this a bit more thoroughly to see if it's a realistic alternative to a wired mp3 player.
There are a few cosmetic changes to the t-mobile ui and a couple of additional apps also - sapsettings for remote sim management via bt (had not seen this before) and commmanager for managing phone, wifi, bluetooth, activesync, and pushemail via microsoft directpush.
The battery icon has also been moved to the startbar!
Perfomance seems to be improved also compared with the previous t-mobile firmware.

i tried to upgrade my jasjar but i could not so could you please explaint to me the ways to upgrsde my jasjar
thanks

new rom
Hi there,Is it on english or German?

CyRUS- said:
I have installed the new T-Mobile rom this evening with no problems... having re-synced with mail2web, I was able to immediately use push email and a2dp and wireless headset profiles (via a motorola h820 headset).
a2dp was satisfactory - audio quality wasn't perfect but acceptable, although there was occasional break-up (albeit I was walking around at the time) - I'll need to test this a bit more thoroughly to see if it's a realistic alternative to a wired mp3 player.
There are a few cosmetic changes to the t-mobile ui and a couple of additional apps also - sapsettings for remote sim management via bt (had not seen this before) and commmanager for managing phone, wifi, bluetooth, activesync, and pushemail via microsoft directpush.
The battery icon has also been moved to the startbar!
Perfomance seems to be improved also compared with the previous t-mobile firmware.
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Does the "mail2web.com Free Exchange" http://services.mail2web.com/FreeServices/m2wLive/ product work with Microsoft's push functionality?

Slave1 said:
CyRUS- said:
I have installed the new T-Mobile rom this evening with no problems... having re-synced with mail2web, I was able to immediately use push email and a2dp and wireless headset profiles (via a motorola h820 headset).
a2dp was satisfactory - audio quality wasn't perfect but acceptable, although there was occasional break-up (albeit I was walking around at the time) - I'll need to test this a bit more thoroughly to see if it's a realistic alternative to a wired mp3 player.
There are a few cosmetic changes to the t-mobile ui and a couple of additional apps also - sapsettings for remote sim management via bt (had not seen this before) and commmanager for managing phone, wifi, bluetooth, activesync, and pushemail via microsoft directpush.
The battery icon has also been moved to the startbar!
Perfomance seems to be improved also compared with the previous t-mobile firmware.
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Does the "mail2web.com Free Exchange" http://services.mail2web.com/FreeServices/m2wLive/ product work with Microsoft's push functionality?
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As far as I can tell it does - I'm using the free mail2web exchange service and push email appears to be working fine using the default (ms push) settings...
As a further update to my experiences with the rom, I am very happy with the slight (but noticeable) performance boost, and the upgraded firmware has improve the phone / bt headset's ability to connect on-the-fly - ie: now I can just turn on the bt headset and the phone will automatically connect, whereas previously I had some problems reconnecting the two...
The only downside is I have experienced the occasional random freeze, requiring a soft reset - I have not installed additional apps under the new firmware yet either. (but i did let it install all the t-mobile extended rom stuff)

I've upgraded and thought I'd share my experiences as I reconfigure the device:
I went from R: 1.06.00 / G:42.40.P8 / D:1.20.32.WWE
to: R: 1.10.03 / G:42.44.P8 / D:1.30.114.WWE
1) for those that plan to upgrade in the hope of getting a better signal - DON'T. So far the signal is just as bad as it used to be, in the same conditions it's sometime even worse.
2) the only file I had to fish out the extended rom so far is PP_TMUK_conn_uni_130149.CAB. - the internet connection settings
3) sync was not happening until I reset the settings on both the desktop AND the device - something that would catch 'newbie' user by surprise.
4) There are few changes to the GUI, but it's mostly cosmetics. The icons are slightly different, the connection manager got a nice revamp.
5) There are very few application changes, at least not that I could notice, apart from a wireless connection manager on the today screen.
6) The extended rom folder contains all sorts of new and updated files, none of which I ran, but it would be nice to document those somehow.
7) Ram stats are as follow upon first reboot: storage: 43.50 total, 5.44 used, 38.06 free / programs 49.70 total, 18.55 used, 31.15 free
Overall I'm not sure if I'd recommend that upgrade - it doesn't seem to bring anything to the table.
UPDATE 27-07
8) There is indeed, as other have reported, a performance improvement in this release. It isn't 400% faster, but it definitely feel 'snappier'.
9) Call 'quality' has improved, meaning that with a good signal you'll hear 'better' sound than on the previour ROM, however signal quality as mentionned above stays very poor.
More to come as I test it some more...

At the beginning starting of programm switches off device, when says "device no connected" :roll: Current ROM installed Qtek 1.30.77WWE. PU10 At last device was killed and reupgraded by previous Qtek upgrading via bootloader screen only. Was very funny!

some serious questions about Arthemis :-)

i have an artemis p3300 (or xda III in other countries) for over 1 month now.
some things i like and i dislike.
pro : -scrollbal and ring are incredible
-backlight and screen is great
-wifi, gprs, mobile part en gps works perfect
-slim case
-sound is incredible loud.
cons: -omap processor is a bit slow (even overclocked at 252) for multimedia
like streaming video or gaming
- to little ram memory..there is not much left after installing the default
applications so forget skinning
so overal for a business user, it,s the perfect phone. For a home user who wants to modifie
everything or loves the multimedia it;s to slow and to little ram to give comfort.
To give you an idea..my previous phone is a axim x5 advanced and it's still faster then this phone.
questions?
- can windows messenger get the ppc out of his sleep like the mobile part of the phone can?
- Why is wifi falling out when i put the phone in sleep?
- when wifi fails (to far from wifirouter) it goes automaticly to gprs. I don;t want that and i just want wifi to keep trying a connection. Now i switch the mobile part off when i surf the net.Any solutions?
- My old dell also has a wificard in it..can i communicate between the two devices over wifi..and what are the possibilities that i could do (exemple: using it as intercom or viewing the camera live stream from the artemis?)
please give me your ideas or solutions.
thanks in advance

Bluetooth DUN (dial up networking) for WM6

Ok. After searching through the forums, and trying various things, I've finally given up...
The goal: To enable bluetooth DUN for WM6.
According to Microsoft, this feature was originally removed due to the thought that their 'Connection Sharing' feature was superior. Unfortunately, my TomTom 910 will ONLY connect via DUN. So, obviously I would like that 'feature' back!
Do any of the chefs out there have access to this feature, and can create a CAB to enable it on my 8525??
This would REALLY be appreciated. I'm sure I'm not the only one out here who misses this feature.
thanks.

I'm with you

Me too
I'm in the same boat. 8525 and 910. Would love a fix.
Kevin

Considering how the change was made to WM6, it is probably unlikely anyone would be able to bring back without issues. I think it is time TomTom start supporting WM6.

Not very hopeful
I asked this same question on the general forum just a couple of days ago.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=309996
Unfortunately, from Menneysys' answer it looks like Ipsi2000 is correct.
I think the options for us TomTom 910 users are:
1. Use duplicate sim and keep another phone in the car to connecto to TomTom
2. Pray and wait that one of the operators releases (or one of the chefs gets hold of) a version of WM6 for the Hermes with DUN back in there (since it will be an option at each operator's discretion)
3. Hope that TomTom upgrades the firmware to support BlueTooth PAN over ICS (That will happen just after hell freezes over. We'll probably have to buy the TomTom 920 or something...)
4. Flash our Hermes back to a pre AKU 3 WM5 ROM (Nooooooooooo!)

cuccureddu said:
I asked this same question on the general forum just a couple of days ago.
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I think the options for us TomTom 910 users are:
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2. Pray and wait that one of the operators releases (or one of the chefs gets hold of) a version of WM6 for the Hermes with DUN back in there (since it will be an option at each operator's discretion)
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I also miss DUN thingy (I have M$ BT stack on my toshiba with completely crippled/non functional PAN and don't really feel like experimenting with Widcomm BT stack right now). So, no GPRS/EDGE internet connection for me - I kind of got used to it with my old P910...
There is an idea though - I did a little digging in the BT services branch of WM6 registry and I've got an impression that DUN functionality is still there it's just has to be enabled via registry (dunno why I got so sure though). What you can try is to ask somebody with pre-AKU 3 wm5 device to dump the registry for you and compare Bluetooth branch (the part where it lists services) with your WM6 device.
It's just a hunch - if what you are saying about operators enabling DUN BT service at their discretion is true, then this trick could actually work out.

i have a spare hermes [Tmobile VarioII variant], i can dump you a copy of the registry just after a HR is you would like?
i can dump it via registry workshop if thats best for you?

Acuum2 said:
i have a spare hermes [Tmobile VarioII variant], i can dump you a copy of the registry just after a HR is you would like?
i can dump it via registry workshop if thats best for you?
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Yup, sounds great. If you can do just HKLM branch that should be enough. I have WM6 black - we can compare BT parts se if we can try to enable DUN back.

The worst part is that, according with MS blog, they DIDN'T remove BT DUN, they give it to the operators, and they can choose to add or not BT DUN to their ROM.
Just isn't in DEFAULT rom, is an option
So, somewere, the MS BT DUN should be available!

I love how because you use it, it automatically makes Bluetooth PAN useless.
It isn't.
It is MILES better than ****ty Bluetooth DUN. I use TomTom on an ancient Ipaq PDA, and even that supports PAN. Not only does it support it, its miles miles more stable. It doesn't require you to dial-up every time you go through a tunnel, or under a bridge, it just works.
I vote NO to bluetooth DUN (unless it can run alongside PAN)
Its TomTom you should be angry at, not MS or the operators!

I know, my car is miles away from my feet, but sometimes I need to go were only feet are allowed
The problem isn't what is better but why they removed BT DUN instead of leaving it..
I am a bad, bad, bad boy, but I believe there is some marketing strategy behind, like AS4.5 NEEDED for WM6 not working with outloook 2002, with NT...

al3xxx said:
Yup, sounds great. If you can do just HKLM branch that should be enough. I have WM6 black - we can compare BT parts se if we can try to enable DUN back.
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al3xxx
Here you go,
sorry did the entire thing...

well i added the WM DUN reg keys to my Elf WM06 and its not enabled the DUN service... (not surprised, if it were that simple it would have been figured out weeks ago... So what's next?)

Microsoft saying they give the DUN to the operators sounds fishy. Let's face it, Microsoft would prefer everyone uses PAN (considering it provides all the features available in DUN and plus more). They basically said to the operators we will support PAN, however if you wish you can implement DUN but you will have support it yourself and any issues that may crop up due this implementation. Most operators would not want the additional support or issues that may come up due to them providing a deprecated function. PAN is the replacement for DUN and there is very little we could do about it.
Software vendors need to adopt PAN or it may not work with WM6.

clublander said:
I love how because you use it, it automatically makes Bluetooth PAN useless.
It isn't.
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I vote NO to bluetooth DUN (unless it can run alongside PAN)
Its TomTom you should be angry at, not MS or the operators!
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Yeah not MS, what made winxp BT stack PAN absolutely NOT working - tried bunch of BT devices with it - neither one was recognized as PAN capable... See if PAN on the phone (and PC) was working for me whan I was set in front of the fact that there is the ONLY choice MS gives me if I want to use my phone as wireless modem i wouldn't really get the DUN back...

al3xxx said:
Yeah not MS, what made winxp BT stack PAN absolutely NOT working - tried bunch of BT devices with it - neither one was recognized as PAN capable... See if PAN on the phone (and PC) was working for me whan I was set in front of the fact that there is the ONLY choice MS gives me if I want to use my phone as wireless modem i wouldn't really get the DUN back...
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Thats funny, I use my WM6 device with XP with no troubles.
I suggest you need computer lessons.

To re-iterate, TomTom is going to have to update THEIR Bluetooth stack, unfortunately. PAN is almost identical to DUN, it just has an interface on the phone now, whereas you had to do it all from your PC before. If you don't believe me that it's virtually identical, look in your WM6 registry. The PAN service is STILL CALLED "DIAL UP NETWORKING" in the registry. Furthermore, if you recall, when you pair your phone to your pc, the phone offers DUN as a service!! Do you see PAN in that service list? No... because it's DUN!! Same thing, folks.
All MS was shooting for was the ability to make it easier to dial up to the internet through the phone, not to mention, add the functionality to become a Network node. It's the same thing as buying a new pc these days that doesn't come with a dial up modem. Why not? Because it comes with a network adapter.
TomTom is going to have to update their stack to recognize this service.. not the other way around.

Stpete111,
I emailed Tom Tom about this today, and their attitude is as follows:
I told them I have a M3100 that their attitude was - we don't no support phones with WM 5 OR 6 especially NOT this device! But get this, they DO support the O2 XDA Mini S....so I don't think they understand that they are already supporting a WM5 device....
Anyway, there was no indication that they intend to change this, and I suspect that they won't.
So I suspect you'll have four choices:
1) Live without any phone when using you're TTG - not an option if you've already subscribed to one of their services.
2) Go back to WM5 - where it will work - far from ideal.
3) Get a spare phone that will work, and a duplicate sim - not that easy...
Or finally, 4) Invest in a device that's more current that WILL support WM6 devices.
Anyway, that's my thoughts - I've yet to make up my mind. But I'm not holding out any hope of TT changing their minds!!
Matt

Here's an update:
I have spoken with TomTom regarding this issue, and this is what I have found out. It's not really good news.
TomTom is phasing out the cell phone connection to their GPS units. All future units do NOT use cell phones to access traffic and weather info. They will ONLY use FM antenna for their data.
So, TomTom probably won't be updating their Bluetooth stack for us current-generation GPS owners. Their next generation ships in July.
Ideally, (for me at least), I would like to have BOTH DUN and PAN services on WM6. That way, for "older" devices, we still have connectivity, while at the same time, future devices can use PAN.
(just my .02c)

Has anyone tried Garmin products? I have tried two Garmin units but NOT with Bluetooth, so I don't know anything about their BT functionality. I DO know however that I much prefer the Garmin devices to TomTom's. Not trying to spark a debate here over which is better... but perhaps checking out Garmin's capabilities is a 5th option?

Reliable VoIP on Hermes? Experiences?

Hi,
I would like to use my Hermes as a VoIP device via WiFi. To be more precise, I want to use it seriously, not just to play around. The battery time is neglectible, server-side voip configuration and codes can be adjusted.
So far I have seen Schaps WM6.0 Rom, the Voipwm6.cab's, the voip Drivers .cab and destr0`s cab (I have also tested some overfilled Rom Images with Voip support).
My experience so far has been rather disappointing, laggy connections, no reconnecting after Wlan disconnect, lack of speech codecs. This seems surprising to me, as there are other WM6 based devices, with similiar memory and processor power, being marketed as business-VoIP devices (eg. some iPAQs). So, as far as I understand, it should be possible to enable full VoIP functionality, quality and reliability by chosing the right software.
My question:
Is somebody here using VoIP on a Hermes daily? What setup are you using, which drivers did you install? Are there WM6.1 Voip drivers availible? I do not like this mixing up of different library versions, which seems to be popular with the rom kitchens.

SKYPE MOBILE FIND IT ON THE SKYPE SITE THATS what I always use I have millions of enteries and errands to run and I have to meet political connections in other countries and I know this sounds boring but here I am and I have to use VOIP NO JOKE

since you asked.....
I fooled around with the same issue for several months. While Fring and the newest version of skype for ppc both gave good sound quality, I have given up on the issue because of an unacceptable voice delay (~0.5 ). I once thought the issue was related to my internet provider - my current opinion is that this is due windows mobile issues and inadequate processing power. Calling in to a local voip dial-in access telephone # via my hermes did NOT produce the same voice delay, nor did internet skype calling via a wifi connection from my computer. I also got the voice delay when I tried calling via a 3g/umts cellular connection and when using some Viop software found on this site. Finally, using every phone 'tweak' I could find on the internet also did not improve the voice delay, nor did different 'fast' custom ROMs improve the issue. If you/or anyone else ever solves the problem of voice delay on the hermes, I would love to know how.

I've been testing NCH Express Talk: http://www.nch.com.au/talk/index.html + this little utility that forces sound output to the earpiece: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396829
I haven't done much field testing, but the quality is much better than inbuilt VoIP, works ok over 3G and unlike Fring, the communication between you and your VoIP provider is direct.

Thanks for your replies and sharing your experiences. At least now I do not feel like a complete idiot. The strange thing is that when I tried Voip on Hermes the first times (just with VoIP.cab etc). and connecting directly to a normal provider sound quality was really good and the lag was low. Some hours later it has been bad.
As far as I am concerned, I have also tested agephone (gives you a lot of configuration options) and i will test voipsurfer (uses iax) a bit more as soon as i find some time.
I will not give up now. Among other things I want to look at the network settings of the Hermes (packet size etc.) and test with a lot of free memory.
I am going to keep this thread updated, as soon as I find out more.

Tremere, thanks for the nch hint. The program gave me a warning about my network setup, which may lead to one-way or lagged audio. Hmm...

Voip
Download fring from yr htc install it and insert yr voip account.
It works like charm.

wallabyman said:
Tremere, thanks for the nch hint. The program gave me a warning about my network setup, which may lead to one-way or lagged audio. Hmm...
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I got around the warning by setting up port forwarding on my router. The audio is fine, both directions work, but the lag is still not acceptable.

I bought a Hermes (8525) about 2 weeks ago and have been trying out different voip methods. Here's my bit:
Skype
+Keeps phone from sleeping so you can always be logged in
+Best sound quality from the ways I've tried
+Very cheap rates for US calls and DID
-Very unstable on my device. I constantly have to soft reset when skype runs
-Skype contacts separate from Hermes contacts
-Speakerphone used by default, which causes bad echoing. Torca2 works to route sound to earpiece, but awkward to start/stop. I haven't managed to get audioswitch to work, which would sort things out.
-Must use +1 on calls, and the + is obnoxious to get to
Fring (with skype)
+More stable, and I can use gmail chat!
+Smoother interface (for me) than skype
-Short to medium delay, enough to be a deal-breaker
-Doesn't stop device from sleeping, so calls in don't work
-Fring contacts separate from Hermes contacts
SIP with Home Asterisk/Sisky-Skype Server
+More control over detailed options
+When at home, great call quality with little delay
+WM6 has built in voip support
+Phone automatically logs into wifi networks and connects back to my home server very well, displays status on today screen
+Hermes contacts dial using voip when available
+Easy to build on and add more phones (mobile and landlines) to the system
-Good quality but bad delay (so far) when connecting remotely through the internet
-Tricky to get set up from scratch
-Requires at least one dedicated server, preferably two
-Sisky enterprise software is proprietary ($60, free 30-day trial)
-Voip stops when the device is in standby. There are supposed to be ways around this but at the cost of battery life. Still testing...
I'm going to try the voip with voipbuster or another provider... but that's next weekend. I'm hoping my home asterisk server pans out, but there's a lot of configurations to learn and perfect.
Here's the link for torca2 again
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=396829
And audioswitch, which would be a gem if it worked on the hermes
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=469223