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Hello,
Can anyone can confirm if the TyTN II is faster then the TyTN or they perform about the same?
Thanks,
Mike-
Hi there
Tytn2 is much slower. I sent the tytn2 back and kept my Jasjam. You would be typing an email and the letters would appear like 2 or 3 seconds later and thats not long after a reboot not to mention the difficulty you will have actually pressing the keys on the tytn2's stiff keyboard.
Cheers
First time hearing that TYTN II is slower. It could be because of ROM .. .You could try some of the custom made ROM s . THey are faster.
Another reason is due to the absent drivers for certain modules in the handset.
THese issues should be solved by early next year when WM 6.1 version is released.
Gopu
Thanks for the quick replys! I currently have the TyTN... I'm ok with it... but may want to upgrade (GPS, 3MP, ...) but I was curious about the performance between them... if we can see a difference...
Mike-
mike- said:
Thanks for the quick replys! I currently have the TyTN... I'm ok with it... but may want to upgrade (GPS, 3MP, ...) but I was curious about the performance between them... if we can see a difference...
Mike-
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I have both, TYTN II is much zipper, check some of the new cooked roms (vs. the bloated operator ROMS), TYTN II is much faster than TYTN.
aaronsmckee said:
I have both, TYTN II is much zipper, check some of the new cooked roms (vs. the bloated operator ROMS), TYTN II is much faster than TYTN.
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Hah I was just thinking about this... Is the difference worth your while? I've got an excellent little GPS receiver so that is not an issue... But what are the main differences in daily use? Just zippier?
LazPL said:
Hah I was just thinking about this... Is the difference worth your while? I've got an excellent little GPS receiver so that is not an issue... But what are the main differences in daily use? Just zippier?
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Depends on what kind of apps/how many your running on your phone. The extra storage means you can have a lot of apps on your internal rom (vs SD card). I have a lot of apps on my phone and now I have them on internal memory vs my sd card, this has resulted in dramatically improved performance of the programs I used to keep on my sd card. For the programs that I used to keep on internal storage I would say the speed is faster (depending on the app) but it is not as dramatic. In general the device is smaller, faster, the built in GPS is nice (though for you I guess it would not make a difference), and the tilt screen is neat but not a major breakthrough, imho.
All in all if your happy with the Hermes the Kaiser is not going to revolutionize your world, that said the tilt (att branded kaiser) is $ 175 on amazon right now so its not like you'll have to pay an arm and a leg for it (at least in the U.S. I'm not sure about Poland, if I had to pay $ 600+ for the device I would not have gotten it).
As another note a lot of the ROM cooks are moving to the kaiser so new ROMS for the hermes are going to become less frequent. Hope this helps your decision.
Ok... so TyTN II feel really smaller than TyTN? But If I'm correct... TyTN II is 20-30g more?
Mike-
mike- said:
Ok... so TyTN II feel really smaller than TyTN? But If I'm correct... TyTN II is 20-30g more?
Mike-
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Not much smaller; it is slighlty thinner, and slightly longer.
c'mon, giga timne has not yet come
As for me, I would buy the TyTn IIonly if I had not a TyTn already. TyTn II has:
--more memory (not really that useful I believe)
--screen can be adjusted liek a laptop (must be nice?)
--GPS (if you need it; I got a BT GPS that works perfect with my TyTn)
--3 MP camera, but the same crappy lense, so that can harldy be called an improvement.
Conclusion: I won't buy a TyTn II, unless I find myself with an extra cash, or get a great deal.
My boss bought himself a Tytn II, because he got jealous of my Tytn . Played around a little with it. It's indeed faster and it has GPS. But that's about it. For my use the memory in my Tytn is sufficient. The Tytn II lacks the flashlight (that i use as a torch) and i don't like the shining finish (but that's taste).
So for now, i'll just stick with my Tytn.
Edit: the tilting screen is more a gadget than a usefull thing, in my opinion.
Personally I feel that there is too little difference in the two to have me switch. I will probably wait untill the next evolution of the TyTN will get here.
mike- said:
Ok... so TyTN II feel really smaller than TyTN? But If I'm correct... TyTN II is 20-30g more?
Mike-
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yep thinner but it weighs more, you defintely notice it when you hold it, feels... solid.
TYTN II much better, faster, reliable, more prgram memory so no more soft resets, less freezes. htc tytn ii got a strong nice and better look to it, sold my hermes and never regretted.
also with these cooked roms coming out which makes hermes crawl against it.
just my 2 cents
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Hope this helps your decision.
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It certainly does. Thanks mate.
I used a TyTn II and I own a TyTn.
IMO:
- TyTn with a good cooked ROM can have about 28Mb of free RAM which lets you do about anything. Unless you need every single program on memory all the time, rarely you will deal with lack of RAM (I only lack memory IF I load a web page with lots of full size images)
- TyTn II screen rotation (or elevation) seems to leave less space for fingers on keypad. On my TyTn I don´t have this feeling (I feel good) but on TyTn II it does!
- TyTn II is indeed an evolution but not a revolution.
For people who are going to buy a new PDA (because don´t have/have an old one) and have to choose between a 600€ TYTN II or a 500€ TYTN perhaps it´s better to choose TYTN II.
If you own a TYTN keep it. TYTN is about as fast as a TYTN II and you will only miss the integrated GPS, nothing else.
I'd like to see some benchmarcks with Sktools, Coreplayer.. TyTN vs TyTN 2,, Could someone post some scores?
Thanx
If TyTN II had a GoForce chip, it will no longer be an argument. But for now, stick with TyTN.
I got my tilt for 100 from at&t direct (i was real lucky ) My dad is now going to get my 8525. I can tell it is a bit faster, there are some quirks I'm still dealing with, but that is what you get with a new device that the cooks are just digging into. As more ROMs come out it is only going to get better and better. For my situation the built in gps, autofocus on the camera, and added memory/speed were money very well spent. It does weigh a little more, but I think it makes it feel more solid (in a good weigh (pun intended)) To me it does feel noticiably slimmer, but that's just me. I might have paid up to 175 or so to upgrade, but honestly not more than that. If I was buying brand new I'd go for it.
If money is an issue definatly not worth the upgrade. I hate the fact that it doesnt have a flash, I dont use my for pics but as a flashlight. I will probably get one but will wait for the price to come down. I hate contracts and havent had one for years. I just wish HTC would come out with a better phone and just ditch the TYTN style. I want a screen size of the iphone with a qwerty and atleast a 500mhz processor as well as 256 and 128 if not more like 512 and 256!!!! and they need to come out with some better ions I mean 1500mah just doesnt cut it. A slimer version of the flame with a qwerty and wm6 would be a dream right now.
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I just wish HTC would come out with a better phone and just ditch the TYTN style. I want a screen size of the iphone with a qwerty and atleast a 500mhz processor as well as 256 and 128 if not more like 512 and 256!!!! and they need to come out with some better ions I mean 1500mah just doesnt cut it. A slimer version of the flame with a qwerty and wm6 would be a dream right now.
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After reading this thread, I'm all for making this my next choice:
http://www.imate.com/product.aspx?product=ultimate8502&skinid=1
there's a photo comparison of the Ultimate 8502 and the TyTN II here:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/6831.html
It's not really available in stores yet though, it seems... The biggest downside seems to be that I would have to leave XDA forums...
Hi,
First a brief summary of my experience with Windows Mobile. I have owned i-Mate Jam, i-Mate K-Jam, Orange C600 and Treo 750v. Jam and K-Jam weren't very reliable as sometimes I couldn't call or the phone just wouldn't ring. However, Treo 750v is the best phone I have ever used and the only reason I switched to Nokia E61 was I couldn't justify keeping an expensive smartphone especially as I didn't use it to its capacity.
I have had Nokia E61 for over a year (longest time I have kept the same phone) and I am sick of it. Therefore, I am considering Windows Mobile phones.
I would have went for HTC Touch Cruise but the driver fiasco has turned me off. So the other options are Samsung Blackjack II (i617) or HTC Artemis variant.
Are HTC Artemis variants reliable enough for everyday phone use? Has anyone used Samsung Blackjack II as well as HTC Artemis if so, how do they compare as phones?
Thanks for help!
i have used my Artemis (T-Mobile MDA Compact III) for the last year and a half, and have never had problems. The only time it has died on me was when i had a lot of software installed, and it overclocked to cope... so yeh, not surprising. Now run it with just a few pieces (Resco Explorer, BatteryStatus, TomTom, 4 XFlib Games, S2V and Total Comander), and not overclock, and never had a problem since!
Thanks for help.
In the end I purchased Treo 750 as its something I have used in the past and feel comfortable with.
Well well I ended up selling Treo 750 and bought MDA Compact III. So far very pleased
Hi Guys,
I know it's not an exact comparison, but I was wondering if anyone has any opinion on whether or not Windows Mobile is any "faster" on Excalibur (because it's the smartphone edition), or if it's exactly the same?
Both devices run the same CPU and memory so I'm curious if WM6 smartphone edition is a little better optimized or not.
Just so you know, I currently own an HTC Prophet and am on the brink of ordering an excalibure as a replacement. I don't want to do it if the performance is pretty much the same.
Thanks,
I'm not sure what the performance is like for the two devices, but why don't you go for the S630 cavalier instead of the S620 excalibur?
The cavalier isn't available from my cell provider. =( unfortunately, Canadian cell companies suck like that.
And that's stopping you from getting one.... why ?
Rofl.. we're not all made out of cash... I'd rather get a subsidized phone from my Cell Provider than fork out a huge amount of cash for a phone. =)
Plus I already paid in full for my HTC prophet.. not going to make that mistake again...
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Hi Guys,
I know it's not an exact comparison, but I was wondering if anyone has any opinion on whether or not Windows Mobile is any "faster" on Excalibur (because it's the smartphone edition), or if it's exactly the same?
Both devices run the same CPU and memory so I'm curious if WM6 smartphone edition is a little better optimized or not.
Just so you know, I currently own an HTC Prophet and am on the brink of ordering an excalibure as a replacement. I don't want to do it if the performance is pretty much the same.
Thanks,
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I do not know but from my experience there is less stuff loaded in the smartphone edition. WM Smarphone editions (well I have only used the dash smartphone actually) seem fast as hell to me with wm6 and is even better with 6.1. It depends on what you need as the smarphone editions don't have as much software as the regular versions. Of course there is that no touchscreen thing.
Size is what sold me. The dash is so friggin tiny. I work in IS at a hospital and have tried every ATT phone there is (Friend works with the cell phones and lets me play with the new ones). I really like the Tmobile dash out of all of them (plus tmo is cheaper and they aren't assholes). It has everything you want except for GPS and 3g. Has a decent camera 1mp nice in outdoors stationary (only thing I really want upgraded on the dash). Battery on normal use gets like 3-4 days (browsing web on opera mini 1/2hr day [pages take 1~2 seconds to load under edge], 10 minutes talk). If you don't use it at all on standby using newest radio update and whatnot it lasts ~5 days (make sure data is off when not using it). Playing back music with backlight off (GSplayer) ~5 hours (no normal headjack pisses me off, can get
adapter,included headphones are suprisingly good.)
The updates that you can get for this phone are amazing. This thing has gone from wm5 to 6.1 and looks great. I have had mine for a year and is still in perfect shape. Never had any problems with my dash.
I think it all comes down to what your using the device for. With the new 6.1 roms both devices will be snappier than before with better stability, and battery life. I recently dug out my Excalibur due to an itch to flash Rickwyatt's redone Kavana rom and I am VERY impressed. It's not only much more responsive but the interface looks great! good job Rick!
Comparing the Excalibur to my Herald which runs @ the same cpu speed, honestly feels about the same, but keep in mind the user experience on these devices although both powered by WinMo, is completely different. The Excalibur for example is much MUCH easier to use in the car for example, especially one handed. Capability wise the touch screen devices win hands down! Good luck!
I've just found about this phone (HTC Diamond) and T-Mobile are doing it. Phone seems like a dream, with everything the MDA C3 has but lots more, like wifi, 4gb internal storage, very slim, 3G. Anyone tried it? My upgrade is in november.
Tried it, it's great
My wife got one on T-Mobile, and i've checked it out, as I will be getting one on O2 in November too. I think it's one od the best HTC phones created.
Quick, slick, full of features.
My neighbour has the O2 version, and it's pretty much the same.
Hope that helps, any questions, ask, and i'll try and get back to you as soon as I can.
I've got one! I love it
Go for the Touch Pro. The Touch Diamond has no microSD slot. Also with the pro you get the addition of a flash (well, light) on the camera and of course the sliding keyboard
Also, shouldn't this thread be in the Diamond forum?
I had one for 5 days!
I sent it back due to the very disappointing battery life - 2 hours talk time was awful!
Thanks for the replies. Not long now and I can find out how much it'll cost me to upgrade. I posted it in this forum because I'm specifically asking artemis owners how it compares in their experience to the MDA Compact 3. But I've asked other things in the Diamond forum.
As far as the Touch Pro microSD slot, well, I'll be happy with the Diamond as
4gb storage is enough for me. Tbh, I still haven't used up all of my 2GB card in my MDA C3. And cameras on phones are still not that good really, even with a flash, so I tend to use my dedicated camera if I want really good quality pics.
Of the people here who've tried the Diamond, did any of you try TomTom sat nav on it? It takes me 2 minutes or so to get a connection on the MDA C3, is it any faster on the Diamond? And is it true that the stylus falls out of it's slot quite easily, a bit loose? Thanks.
Hello,
I am still having hard time deciding which one to get, being still a TyTN/Hermes user I have no problem with the small screen so the screen size is not a factor in deciding. I kinda tried the TP and I couldn't get used to the keyboard feeling (oh well I have only played with it for 20 minutes).
Are there any TP users that upgraded to TP2?
What made you upgrade and what do you think about both phones.
Axeslocked said:
Hello,
I am still having hard time deciding which one to get, being still a TyTN/Hermes user I have no problem with the small screen so the screen size is not a factor in deciding. I kinda tried the TP and I couldn't get used to the keyboard feeling (oh well I have only played with it for 20 minutes).
Are there any TP users that upgraded to TP2?
What made you upgrade and what do you think about both phones.
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I gaurantee you that the Touch Pro2 has a better keyboard than the predecessor. Besides the only downgrade from the first Touch Pro is that the Touch Pro2 lacks flash led for the camera.
...and tp2 hase 20 MB of ROM less than the TP - but bigger screen
Ugh oh the ram, are we talking about the physical ram chip?
Or are we talking about the rom that ships with hit?
if its the rom eventually better roms will be out there wont there?
I bought a TP2 one month ago. Coming from a Hermes
At the begining I prefered my hermes keyboard... Now after a month I tried back my Hermes... and definitely the TP2 keyboars is much better
Anyway I love the TP2, you wont regret it
TP2 the best phone ever.
Came from a Kaiser and very happy with it. The only problem I have is batt life, but it seems not related to the phone itself, but with the operator. I still don´t know the reason, but when I use Vivo my batt lasts 50 to 60% less (half a day sometimes). If I use another operator, batt lasts up to 2 days.
Already tested with Tim, Claro and Oi. Great batt life with all of them, except Vivo.
So the TP2 has less physical ram? which is hardware related?
Also is it true that the US units dont do EU/ASIA 3G and vice-versa?
So its not a Quadband world phone
I had (still have) a tytn/hermes. I wen't to the TP2. It's soo much better. Maybe you don't catre about the screen size, but you will care about the resolution. The agenda is much better to use for example because more text is visible.
The phone is really fast. My colluege HAD the touch pro. The problem was the short lived battery, (would make is just 24 hours), it got stuck many times, was slow, and just wasn't convinient to use. At least she sais. (she had a lot more trouble then that). So now she switched to a simple nokia phone.
The fun part is, when I told het I would buy the second version of the TP, the TP2. She laughed a bit and said I would be sorry. Now, she is jealouse :'D.
There is a big diffrence between the phones. The feel, the experience, how convinient it is.
On the hermes it's irritating to read emails, or documents that are longer then a few lines. Now I have the TP2 and I love it. Also internet has become much much faster. This is probably because of the processing power.
One thing I was afraid of was the lack of buttons. No jogwheel, of Dpad. Hermes had both.
I honestly have to say, I had to get used to it. But after one day, I was using the TP2 easier then my hermes. Also, the TP2 seems to weigh less and is nicer to hold while making a phone call.
Frankly the tilt is nice to have, but I would have bought it if it wouldn't have the tilt. Is just really good.
I'm not saying you should buy it, but for the record, if I had to choose between a TP and my hermes. I would choose my hermes. That's what I think from the TP. But only held it for an hour or so. The TP2 is actually a lot better
TP2 better keyboard layout and feel, miss the d-pad of TP thou....
My only concern is the 3G
I travel a lot between europe and USA; I have simcards for a few countries that all support 3G.
But from what I heard the phone does not do EU 3G if its a US and vice versa any comments on that?
That´s correct
I also travel a lot México-Europe and my Universal works great on Europe 3G but not in México (Same bands as in USA)
I think it will be the same with TP2 unfortunately
I´ll upgrade to European version soon!!
ugh oh that is so lame...
Like come on even the stupid Nokia phones do world 3G