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BlueAngel WM5 vs Himalaya's!

Okay first of all I've fully installed WM5 on both devices, 1.60c on XDA II, and 5.03.02 patch 3 (newest for xda iis) and I've noticed major fast improvement and speed with the XDA II, its faster then WM2003SE, and its more stable and great! With the XDA IIs its a laggy piece of crap, I wish someone could make it faster somehow without overclocking it, (by the way even overclocking it) - doesn't make it run as fast as the XDA II, maybe there is a glitch someone can fix, there has to be something thats slowing it down for us XDA IIs users because they both have 400mhz, 128mb ram, I just can't put my finger on it!

I think personally that there is one major device driver causing the problem (And it seems to be with interrupts???). The keyboard driver is my initial guess with the way it behaves so badly but it could be one of many ...

I also have both XDA2 and XDA2s and notice the brutal difference between the two. I wonder if the DOC chip, (the internal Storage area) is of a different design/speed then the XDA2. Maybe the XDA2 has a much faster ROM read/write speed then the XDA2s.
I've mentioned to Buzz and mamaich to build a Storage=1/2 RAM build of the XDA2s ROM, (like they have for XDA2) but they haven't made it yet. If they do, and we are writing all Storage to RAM, (and therefore losing persistence) and its STILL SLOW... then I would think would have to be some other driver.
mamaich:Buzz: If you are seeing this, please build this ROM

I think "laggy piece of crap" is a bit harsh considering how far this rom has come since it was first released. With the latest release the speed increase is obvious and only browsing with PIE and email remain a bit sluggish. I'm sure if it was possible all issues would have been resolved by now and remember this is unfinished code we are running and work is still beig done on it behind the scenes. So rather than calling hours of others work "crap" just highlight what issues you still have and they will get to it if possible. At least with this rom I feel less of an urge to spend $800-1000 for the new devices.

efjay said:
I think "laggy piece of crap" is a bit harsh considering how far this rom has come since it was first released. With the latest release the speed increase is obvious and only browsing with PIE and email remain a bit sluggish. I'm sure if it was possible all issues would have been resolved by now and remember this is unfinished code we are running and work is still beig done on it behind the scenes. So rather than calling hours of others work "crap" just highlight what issues you still have and they will get to it if possible. At least with this rom I feel less of an urge to spend $800-1000 for the new devices.
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I was wrong it's not a laggy piece of crap, it just needs minor work ;-).

All the above being said…, there are some significant speed differences... or maybe my case is special...I've asked others to try this, (consensus would be nice).
If you have Resco Explorer installed on ROM-Storage, run it in BA-WM2005 and it should take about 5-6 seconds to come up, (after a soft-reset so it’s not in the file cache). Run it in XDA2-WM2005 and it’s about 1-2 seconds; run it in BA-Wm2003 and its <1 second.
Now once it’s loaded, it runs fine, (as does every other app), that’s why I think it might just be a read/write speed problem with the XDA2s DOC chip, (and therefore unfortunately not solvable)… which is why I would LOVE to get a 64Meg RAM Storage, 64Meg RAM Program version to confirm that is the case, once and for all….

Guys the BA-5.0 still needs loads of work and patches, remember that mamaich doesn't have the fully time to tweak the ROM, not to mention that the Hima magneto rom has been released since long time and BuZz made lots of major updates on it, and still a lot to come, I'd rate the Hima rom for 80% of completion but the BA rom is still on it's early stages, lets wait and see.. Believe me "When there's a will, there's a way"
Buzz, Mamaich and others work will be written on stones.

maybe it's because the himalaya rom is a much more later version of WM5, might even be a final version compared to the BA rom that's obviously a beta or engineering ROM, hence, you can even see that the splash screen cannot even be changed

Dyzophoria said:
maybe it's because the himalaya rom is a much more later version of WM5, might even be a final version compared to the BA rom that's obviously a beta or engineering ROM, hence, you can even see that the splash screen cannot even be changed
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I'm sure if we get into the splash screen offsets we could change it, nothing is impossible, thus I believe that the Hima's-BA's-Typhoon roms shares the same Beta built, if we had the right tools to allow us write into the ROM we would have got the perfect hacked rom ever thanks to everyone in this forum.

ramram said:
Guys the BA-5.0 still needs loads of work and patches, remember that mamaich doesn't have the fully time to tweak the ROM, not to mention that the Hima magneto rom has been released since long time and BuZz made lots of major updates on it, and still a lot to come, I'd rate the Hima rom for 80% of completion but the BA rom is still on it's early stages, lets wait and see.. Believe me "When there's a will, there's a way"
Buzz, Mamaich and others work will be written on stones.
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I'm totally agree with what ramram said. Way to go Buzz & Mamaich!
Let's just be patient and wait until the next update
I remembered the time when mamaich released his 3rd patch which makes major improvement in performance of WM5 BA. I was so happy I can see more responsive BA, and thanks to mamaich

[BENCHMARK] - LVSW vs. WM Black 1.1 vs. WMXL 0.2

Hi Everyone,
To give xda lovers an idea on the performance characteristics of the most popular 3 WM6 releases, i have just spent the last few hours doing a benchmark using SPB.
The test set up was:
1. OS Flash only
2. No additional Apps after fresh Hard Reset (except SPB Benchmark)
3. Imate Jasjam HT647
4. Main test completed only (no storage card or battery life)
The results speak for themselves (the highest achieving score is marked in red)
EDIT: I forgot the Vanilla ROM. Will update tomorrow, time for sleep, its 5am GMT+10. and only 5 hours sleep in the last 2.75 days.

Thanks,
I know everyone was looking for something like this. Now I know I choose the right OS flavor

Excellent work!!! the dark side wins! wow... maybe I should try it after all

I have a request for all rom cooker and publisher:
PLEASE, once relased a rom, write in the FIRST post:
All possible information about used memory at HR (RAM & Programs).
All reg tweaks included
All external programs installed
Other tweaks like video drivers etc.
All new issues resolved (like VoIP & others)
Someone has done it, someone not. Please post yours cooked rom in this way, so we all can do the right choice, in base at our necessity.
regards

Every time I think I have seen just how resourceful this group is someone comes out of the woodwork and does the yet another thing to surprise me.
(That and a friendly act of one-up-manship )

Many thanks i've been wondering if there was much difference in the speed of the ROMs, now i know. Does any one know how the WM6 ROMs compare to WM5 ROMs speeds?

Yeah - the results do speak for themselves. In my humble opinion, they demonstrate that there is almost nothing to choose between the ROMs in this test because the differences are really tiny. I wonder if you'd even get the same results if you ran the tests a second time?
Thanks for running the tests - interesting stuff!

Izzard-UK said:
Yeah - the results do speak for themselves. In my humble opinion, they demonstrate that there is almost nothing to choose between the ROMs in this test because the differences are really tiny. I wonder if you'd even get the same results if you ran the tests a second time?
Thanks for running the tests - interesting stuff!
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Sanity! A valuable exercise, but no meaningful difference. Is there en equivalent table for some WM5 ROMS? I keep hearing that WM6 is quicker.

The tables we saw for the different WM5 roms (especially comparing the stock TyTN rom with the south africa and AKU3.3 test roms) were VERY helpfull and the differences were quite noticeable (stability-wise aswell as speed), the WM6 comparisons are all pretty much the same, did the Vanilla rom get a mention at all??
Once we see a full Hermes WM6 rom (from iMate, HTC, Dopod et all) cooked for LVSW,Black or WMXL i predict we may see a noticeable difference from these current ones.
Good thread

What's really frackin kewl about this whole thing is
1. All the roms kick arse.
2. We have a WM6 ROM
3. Have multiple WM6 roms to choose from
4. Start @ 1. and repeat
Don't you just want to laugh! XDA LIVES and it is livin in WM6!

now i personally havent tried any of the wm6, as me and a few others are currently cooking a rom with PTT, i cant go without this feature so i am being patient... I have loaded a few up on my test phone, but havent fully given them a test drive yet... so im not putting anyone or any rom down with this comment, but its something you must realize... fastest doesnt necessarily mean its the most stable. and even if you find one that is stable with your apps doesnt mean its going to be stable for the next guy, its all trial and error

LSVW seems to be the one that runs the most stable without issue and pretty speedy
WM Black runs the fastest, but most unstable for me. Maybe it just the applications I installed having issues. I will works on it again tonight. (After 5 flash......)
WMXL 2.0 has really good features and runs pretty stable too, but somehow it runs slower than other two. A very good custom ROM.
Again, I am not a preofessional give a fair overview. This is just my experience with all 3.

Penske MB said:
LSVW seems to be the one that runs the most stable without issue and pretty speedy
WM Black runs the fastest, but most unstable for me. Maybe it just the applications I installed having issues. I will works on it again tonight. (After 5 flash......)
WMXL 2.0 has really good features and runs pretty stable too, but somehow it runs slower than other two. A very good custom ROM.
Again, I am not a preofessional give a fair overview. This is just my experience with all 3.
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i completely agree with you...i tried all three and lsvw seems to be the most stable

Same OS, the test results didn't show any significant different..........just a little bit.
It will be better and perfect test ,if u compare with WM5.
Thk

Hi guys,
the benchmarks I did last night for the 3 roms were done after a clean HR with no additional hacks patches, hence, as they were release by the chef's.
There isnt a significant difference in speed between the three but you will notice that WMXL has around 20mb of free RAM on a fresh HR as it loads more UI data etc in RAM to provide a faster response (this was checked with SKTOOLS).
It will be interesting to see how these roms compare against an official WM6 hermes ROM if one will ever be released.
Nonetheless, as these roms are cooked, expect to find bugs or undisclosed features. If bugs are found, the chefs will try and resolve them etc. Also remember that even though our HERMES are essentially the same, some ROMS wonts work on som devices, so you might have to see what works for you. luckily my JASJAM is compatible with all the roms posted so far so it is pretty universal.
Enjoy the contributions guys and if you can, please donate the xda-developers for the help it has iven you.

I agree that LSVW ROM is the most stable among 3 WM6 ROMs

hatori said:
Same OS, the test results didn't show any significant different..........just a little bit.
It will be better and perfect test ,if u compare with WM5.
Thk
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i will do this soon, give ma an hour....or so.....
mtty is getting a work out.
I will flash SA1.35 and an AKU3.3 ROM.
and then post the results in the first post.

Ping Jasjammin, did you do the WM6 v WM% benchmark? Be good to see how they compare on a fresh comparable install

Most stable firmware?

Hi,
You guy's have to bear with me...
I am waiting for my MDA Pro. It is a german model, so when it arrives I want to get a portuguese or english firmware on it.
So far so good.
What I would love to know is which ROM-releases are considered the best, with "best" meaning:
- every aspect of the device works
- the software is stable
- good speed
- less battery consumption
Which ROM would you guy's recommend?
I don't care that much about good looks and "state of the art". What I want is a working device. It should work fine with my bluetooth carkit and my bluetooth GPS-receiver. I do make much use of WLAN as well.
Thanks,
vma

vma said:
Hi,
You guy's have to bear with me...
I am waiting for my MDA Pro. It is a german model, so when it arrives I want to get a portuguese or english firmware on it.
So far so good.
What I would love to know is which ROM-releases are considered the best, with "best" meaning:
- every aspect of the device works
- the software is stable
- good speed
- less battery consumption
Which ROM would you guy's recommend?
I don't care that much about good looks and "state of the art". What I want is a working device. It should work fine with my bluetooth carkit and my bluetooth GPS-receiver. I do make much use of WLAN as well.
Thanks,
vma
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If it's in that order (with almost complete stability), stick to the manufacturer's ROM. Alternatively, I find Jwright's 2.02 almost perfect and use my uni for the same things as you. Read the thread on his ROM before you dive in, though.

Most stable firmware!
This is the most stable fimware for me: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=298020
I have also tested all other ROM's and some times it freezes or it's slower or some programms cannot run.
Helmi's ROM is also an good option, but I have problems with my bluetooth Parrot 3200 LS-Color carkit.
Since I have installed it (a week ago), all my problems are fixed!!!
No freeze, verry fast, my own language, all programs work.
It is PERFECT.....
So i can recommand the DarkForce ROM for Qtek 9000.
Regards,
**** Zevenbergen

I think jwrights ROM 2.02 is the most stable one i have ever used .

Thanks!
vma

I'm using Helmi's AKU3.3 ROM 2.50.00 and for last is the one that is working the best for me so far. I tried AKU 3.5 but with the issue of the speed dial made me stay away from it.
But maybe soon I will be trying upgrading to WM6... just need to be sure it's behaving at least as good as the one I have now

vma said:
What I would love to know is which ROM-releases are considered the best, with "best" meaning:
- every aspect of the device works
- the software is stable
- good speed
- less battery consumption
Which ROM would you guy's recommend?
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Well mine is best... As in the one I made in the kitchen; well it suites MY needs
Seriously, you will never know by just asking on here, people have come to metaphorical blows over which ROM is best.
It really does seem to come down to factors like what you use it for and how you use it, there are too many variables and what is good for me may not be for you.
I wouldn't even say that the official ROM you get with your device is the best for stability; I found the O2 Exec ROM was painfully slow and constantly requiring a reset.

Does the new Orange ROM suck?!

Hey folks
Really wanna upgrade my Diamond ROM, noticed the new release from Orange but my question is simple. Is it any good?
I hear great things about the leaner, cleaner ROMs cooked up here and would much rather go for something a little more snappy.
Is there any real difference?

it's faster, but the biggest difference is the lack of transition animation between tabs.

Its got to be much better than the shipped one on the older supply of Orange diamonds
ROM 37 radio 05

HEY GUYS, soooo I upgraded.
I haven't noticed a better radio signal yet, it seem the same in my lead-lined office which was the main reason I wanted to upgrade
Everything else also seems pretty much the same. Not faster, not slower, larger text in some menus which is nice but I did that myself anyway.
In short, yes, it sucks

blackjones said:
HEY GUYS, soooo I upgraded.
I haven't noticed a better radio signal yet, it seem the same in my lead-lined office which was the main reason I wanted to upgrade
Everything else also seems pretty much the same. Not faster, not slower, larger text in some menus which is nice but I did that myself anyway.
In short, yes, it sucks
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have a cooked rom....then your wee yourself at the speed

Yeah I have an Orange HTC Touch Diamond and the ROM is POO!!! - Cooked ROMS are the way forword - much faster!

Windoze9t8 said:
Its got to be much better than the shipped one on the older supply of Orange diamonds
ROM 37 radio 05
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I don't even remember what mine had on it, but my friend's had the .03 Radio on it. Flashing it to the posted link, speeds it up significantly. I didn't leave him with a cooked ROM as I'm sure I'd have a phone call not knowing what to do and unable to install cabs.

The end of the Trinity ROM developement

With the introduction of the 6.5 ROM, we all know that this rom is to heavy for the trinity user. Realisiticly seen we are left with the 6.1. So. The question that are arises, is there anyone here that is able to cook a good, quality, stable rom that is clean, has touchflow extracted from 6.5 and with uptodate software, kinda like the tytnn rom or the flinx one.

are you blind? there are nice working and fast WM6.5 roms out there, i'm using one myself so... pointless topic.

thanx

jedai said:
are you blind? there are nice working and fast WM6.5 roms out there, i'm using one myself so... pointless topic.
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hello, can you indicate your favorite rom 6.5 for trinity? tank you!

vimafeje said:
hello, can you indicate your favorite rom 6.5 for trinity? tank you!
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I'm using this one and I'm quite happy with it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=494727

joefso said:
With the introduction of the 6.5 ROM, we all know that this rom is to heavy for the trinity user. Realisiticly seen we are left with the 6.1. So. The question that are arises, is there anyone here that is able to cook a good, quality, stable rom that is clean, has touchflow extracted from 6.5 and with uptodate software, kinda like the tytnn rom or the flinx one.
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....really don't be so "blind"eheheheh!!!!my trinity is going very well wuth rubenalf ita tranlsation,jml today 5.5,tomtom7,videocalling,wifi going well,navisat working,google maps,Icontact,s2p music player,4 gyga microsd,diamond clock with animation -
- the only problem is my battery,after 2 years of really hard working now I'm really thinking about changing it!!

those 6.5 roms are slow on the trinity devices. Let's be honest. If you break the 6.5 down and strip it off, then it runs with poor memory. Conclusion? Trinity will not be able to take the 6.5 fully.

... pointless topic
Super Ultra Lite version of 28014. Fast, staible, lots of free space.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=600957
I am agry with jedai ... pointless topic!

there is not much free memory, we can trim down any rom and make it as small as we want. But can we make 6.5 so that it has a lot of free memory? No.

little reflection
trinity is a very very good device!!!
but last period roms have recentely become beautiful and heavy for our little jewel.
Unfortunately, the development of this work no longer leads to great satisfaction as before
I thank all the heroes - cooks who have allowed us to see with interest our device for several years without tiring us.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!
r75

joefso said:
there is not much free memory, we can trim down any rom and make it as small as we want. But can we make 6.5 so that it has a lot of free memory? No.
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WM 6.5 23504 Lite
26.07MB Free Ram - While Running SPBMS 3.5, it settles in to 18-22MB
74.87MB Free Storage
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=580402
I don't know about you, but seems to me this is plenty of free RAM. It's even more than some of the older builds. There will be more updates to come still, just working out bugs on the latest builds.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=600957

yes I agree withbguys about 6.5 is too heavy to be honest and u can't run programs need a lot of memory or need a cpu preformane ...
I'm wondring about if this radio rom is spending battery 1.38.00.11 cuz I'm running out of battery so fast when I'm using internet and if there's a better one how I can change it cuz I tried too many times to change and didn't work

i just tried the 23504 Blue. It's slow. . . I keep on returning to finx latest rom with adjusted page pool settings. This rom is pretty fast, stable and has sufficient ram. If anybody is convinced trinity can handle 6.5 like that. Show me.

i also tried 6.5 and went back to 6.1.
Sure you can use 6.5 but it's slower, no matter how lite the version is. Start installing some stuff (specially recent versions which are also heavier) and everything feels even slower.
Nowadays no one produces software thinking about how it will run on our old trinity.
I'm even considering going back to 6.0 to see if i can get some more speed, don't think i'll be missing much from 6.1 anyway.
I'm currently on tomme45i's 6.1 which is a very good rom but it is also a bit slower (and buggier, imho) than finx's.

well, i'm using a 6.1 rom from tommie45, for me, it's the better rom i have ever try!!!
i dont know how, but his roms are the most stable and complete for trinity. it's my opinion!

i gave up on tommie45's rom and got back to finix 3.7.2.
It's not as pretty (b&w icons, uglier in general) and some functionality is less practical but... it feels much faster!
I recommend doing the same if the rom you are using feels slow.

Im using SuperSport WM6.5 build 23506 LITE and there hasn't been so much problems with it, but I can agree, 6.1 is faster, but the pro's in this rom is to many for me to use 6.1...
If I find the thread I'll put the link to it here.

Today at the phone store, they said they couldn't order the htc 3600 ( trinity ) anymore.......

PentaMedia said:
Im using SuperSport WM6.5 build 23506 LITE and there hasn't been so much problems with it, but I can agree, 6.1 is faster, but the pro's in this rom is to many for me to use 6.1...
If I find the thread I'll put the link to it here.
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wifi work? video call? bluetooth?

yeah it's a shame right? 3 years ago this phone was at the pinnacle of mobile communications, and today omg there's so many other things out there
however trinity and windows mobile is not dead! i've retired to a blackberry for my telephone call needs, but the trinity is now a dedicated GPS/dictionary. anyone else using it purely as a non-phone pda now?? and which rom??