Hi Everyone,
To give xda lovers an idea on the performance characteristics of the most popular 3 WM6 releases, i have just spent the last few hours doing a benchmark using SPB.
The test set up was:
1. OS Flash only
2. No additional Apps after fresh Hard Reset (except SPB Benchmark)
3. Imate Jasjam HT647
4. Main test completed only (no storage card or battery life)
The results speak for themselves (the highest achieving score is marked in red)
EDIT: I forgot the Vanilla ROM. Will update tomorrow, time for sleep, its 5am GMT+10. and only 5 hours sleep in the last 2.75 days.
Thanks,
I know everyone was looking for something like this. Now I know I choose the right OS flavor
Excellent work!!! the dark side wins! wow... maybe I should try it after all
I have a request for all rom cooker and publisher:
PLEASE, once relased a rom, write in the FIRST post:
All possible information about used memory at HR (RAM & Programs).
All reg tweaks included
All external programs installed
Other tweaks like video drivers etc.
All new issues resolved (like VoIP & others)
Someone has done it, someone not. Please post yours cooked rom in this way, so we all can do the right choice, in base at our necessity.
regards
Every time I think I have seen just how resourceful this group is someone comes out of the woodwork and does the yet another thing to surprise me.
(That and a friendly act of one-up-manship )
Many thanks i've been wondering if there was much difference in the speed of the ROMs, now i know. Does any one know how the WM6 ROMs compare to WM5 ROMs speeds?
Yeah - the results do speak for themselves. In my humble opinion, they demonstrate that there is almost nothing to choose between the ROMs in this test because the differences are really tiny. I wonder if you'd even get the same results if you ran the tests a second time?
Thanks for running the tests - interesting stuff!
Izzard-UK said:
Yeah - the results do speak for themselves. In my humble opinion, they demonstrate that there is almost nothing to choose between the ROMs in this test because the differences are really tiny. I wonder if you'd even get the same results if you ran the tests a second time?
Thanks for running the tests - interesting stuff!
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Sanity! A valuable exercise, but no meaningful difference. Is there en equivalent table for some WM5 ROMS? I keep hearing that WM6 is quicker.
The tables we saw for the different WM5 roms (especially comparing the stock TyTN rom with the south africa and AKU3.3 test roms) were VERY helpfull and the differences were quite noticeable (stability-wise aswell as speed), the WM6 comparisons are all pretty much the same, did the Vanilla rom get a mention at all??
Once we see a full Hermes WM6 rom (from iMate, HTC, Dopod et all) cooked for LVSW,Black or WMXL i predict we may see a noticeable difference from these current ones.
Good thread
What's really frackin kewl about this whole thing is
1. All the roms kick arse.
2. We have a WM6 ROM
3. Have multiple WM6 roms to choose from
4. Start @ 1. and repeat
Don't you just want to laugh! XDA LIVES and it is livin in WM6!
now i personally havent tried any of the wm6, as me and a few others are currently cooking a rom with PTT, i cant go without this feature so i am being patient... I have loaded a few up on my test phone, but havent fully given them a test drive yet... so im not putting anyone or any rom down with this comment, but its something you must realize... fastest doesnt necessarily mean its the most stable. and even if you find one that is stable with your apps doesnt mean its going to be stable for the next guy, its all trial and error
LSVW seems to be the one that runs the most stable without issue and pretty speedy
WM Black runs the fastest, but most unstable for me. Maybe it just the applications I installed having issues. I will works on it again tonight. (After 5 flash......)
WMXL 2.0 has really good features and runs pretty stable too, but somehow it runs slower than other two. A very good custom ROM.
Again, I am not a preofessional give a fair overview. This is just my experience with all 3.
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LSVW seems to be the one that runs the most stable without issue and pretty speedy
WM Black runs the fastest, but most unstable for me. Maybe it just the applications I installed having issues. I will works on it again tonight. (After 5 flash......)
WMXL 2.0 has really good features and runs pretty stable too, but somehow it runs slower than other two. A very good custom ROM.
Again, I am not a preofessional give a fair overview. This is just my experience with all 3.
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i completely agree with you...i tried all three and lsvw seems to be the most stable
Same OS, the test results didn't show any significant different..........just a little bit.
It will be better and perfect test ,if u compare with WM5.
Thk
Hi guys,
the benchmarks I did last night for the 3 roms were done after a clean HR with no additional hacks patches, hence, as they were release by the chef's.
There isnt a significant difference in speed between the three but you will notice that WMXL has around 20mb of free RAM on a fresh HR as it loads more UI data etc in RAM to provide a faster response (this was checked with SKTOOLS).
It will be interesting to see how these roms compare against an official WM6 hermes ROM if one will ever be released.
Nonetheless, as these roms are cooked, expect to find bugs or undisclosed features. If bugs are found, the chefs will try and resolve them etc. Also remember that even though our HERMES are essentially the same, some ROMS wonts work on som devices, so you might have to see what works for you. luckily my JASJAM is compatible with all the roms posted so far so it is pretty universal.
Enjoy the contributions guys and if you can, please donate the xda-developers for the help it has iven you.
I agree that LSVW ROM is the most stable among 3 WM6 ROMs
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Same OS, the test results didn't show any significant different..........just a little bit.
It will be better and perfect test ,if u compare with WM5.
Thk
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i will do this soon, give ma an hour....or so.....
mtty is getting a work out.
I will flash SA1.35 and an AKU3.3 ROM.
and then post the results in the first post.
Ping Jasjammin, did you do the WM6 v WM% benchmark? Be good to see how they compare on a fresh comparable install
i own a large amount of htc phones, but my mainphones have always been wizard/hermes sofar. I recently bought a universal, but it's too much phone for me. Too big/i live in a bad triband area. i hate to part with it but ehwell.
my question is, i bought a kaiser yesterday. theres android ports for it, whats the speed of them like?
preferbaly a comparinson to the droid eris, it's the only android phone i've played with.
any input would be apperciated, thanksguys!
Kaiser/Tilt
I have two of them running Android. One is Using the Polyrythmic version the other is the KaiserDroid. Both seem to operate well. I like polyrythmics and Im using it for a daily phone. The other Im still toying with. I suggest you read both threads and make sure you understand what youre doing before you do it.Dont fall into the traps that are well documented. Good luck
What I have noticed
I am using Polyrythmic 2.1b, and love it. I have gone though a few versions with them, in Haret and NAND. I have found that the NAND is faster if you are willing to take the full plunge. I only have one phone and feel fully confident in the release that it has been my daily release since the 2/23/10. A few things don’t work, but they were not biggie items to me. Read as much as you can before making the plunge.
Have to say, both the main eclair versions of android are very good, and there are a number of other flavours as well, myn's warm donut is getting good reviews also.
Recommendations? personally I divide my time between Polymod and Kaiserdroid, and have tried another few 'distros' as well.
The main questions to ask before using android are :
Do I need a working Camera?
Do I need working Bluetooth?
Do I need reliable GPS?
Have I read the Stickies in the ROM development section, and/or flashed HardSPL, upgraded my radio, unlocked security,cid and sim?
If any of the first 3 are 'Yes I MUST have these working' then android is not yet ready for you, there is still some work to be done in these areas.
If you answered the last with 'WTF is HardSPL and why do I need it?' then
you are not yet ready for Android
If you know all this stuff already, then my main advice is this:
Run from Sd card, try a few different distros, get used to the installer, learn what panel type, keyboard and resolution suit your device best, and then it's time for the whole Nand experience
im not going to run into any problems flashing it, i've got no worried about that.
but nobody answered, a) is it faster than wm6 and b) whats the performance hit compared to a native android device?
a) Yes for almost everything I use it's faster than WM6. It has a much faster graphics driver, smoother animations and scrolling, MUCH faster screen rotation. Browsing is faster, messaging is faster, soft keyboard and touch events are MUCH better, SSH is much faster, browsing through photos is faster...
b) Depends on the build. Donut builds are basically as fast as a native device, Eclair builds are fast enough for daily use and getting faster all the time.
Donut runs great and is the most stable, much better user experience than windows all around.
Eclair if you can tweak it to suit you then its a great OS. Probably runs about the same speed as a windows on the kaiser. Still a little glitchy and for the most part all are still in beta form
Tattoo or Hero would be great if speed wasn't an issue
Alright i've recieved the kaiser, i've put kaiserdroid+droidion donut+polys version.
polys ran like hell, im unsure why. maybe ill try off nand, shame becasue its gsm was the only one that half worked.
they accept wifi-on, get an ip, but refuse to actually ping or visit a site. anyone have any input on this?
thanks.
i think most stable rom is here: [Android]The Android Thread [Site Update] on this rom dont work only bluetooth. else everythink other working fully. (exclude market.. it works but when i search ASTRO F. M. it show error something about bad network, but im connected with wifi) but i think its old rom whithout some new functions
Ok, so I got myself a G1.
For those considering getting one of these I must post a few words.
It's really really not that much different regarding speed and stability from my nand flashed Kaiser (kais130), running a stable Eclair build, seriously, I kid you not, and I'm not talking raw processor speed here ( dammit it's nearly the same processor, top speed using setcpu is 576, really not much difference there), feels much the same, looks much the same. ( ok perhaps a little sharper, but that's a user-relative thing), all the same apps perform much the same.
The big shock was battery, it's quite frankly terrible compared to my Kaiser, ok so this may be the old 'battery calibration' thing, but I was shocked at it hitting 8% by lunchtime, my kaiser takes 2 days to reach that level, and yes, I did use a bit more data and gps than usual, but not enough to account for that high a drain. And it does get a little warmer, reminds me of the old days, (january-feb 2010), when we were first using Android on kaiser, hot phones and fast drain.
Flashing is scary, I mean Scary!, all sorts of warnings about bricking your phone, and it's not the nice gentle 'this may brick your phone' this is big red letters, DangerSPL is just that, accidentally flash an older radio with that and it's instabrick, and a visit to men in white coats who understand what JTAG is and have huge wallets.
So am I happy with my G1? Well yeah, I've got the only thing that gives it the edge over my kaiser, Google Sky Map, the Scotsman in me reminds me that £79 is a lot of money, the Uber-Nerd in me opens Sky Map and tells the Scotsman to shut up and look at spica, or the southern cross...........
Oh and with a load of 2 year contracts finishing in the next few months, Ebay is probably going to be seeing quite a few of these.
Why a G1 anyway? The keyboard, and Android, My Kaiser left me hooked on both, and really, there isn't much out there that offers both, so be kind to your Kaiser, it's a great little bit of kit, sure it's old now, but really, it's just as good as a G1, yes I can use Sky Map, but I gotta put it on charge afterward........
You mean the G1 I forgot to bid on lol
Nice write up !
i planned to buy G1, feel so good now
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i planned to buy G1, feel so good now
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I think this thread will make a lot of people smile, including me!! I too have been looking at G1's but I love my kaiser and it works so i've always resisted the temptations. Don't know how i'll resist if HTC bring out a new android phone with a keyboard though!!!
What do think about that rolly ball d-pad thing?
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Ya I had considered the G1 too.
The screen is a 'little' bigger.
Doesn't it run a old version of Android, are there 'official' updates for it? will it run 2.2?
Personally I was thinking along the lines of getting a Milestone.
I have had my Stellar now for 2 years, (and that was 2nd hand too!) so why would I replace it with a phone that is just as old
I do like the Hero, my friend has one of those, but I miss the keyboard, I struggle to use the onscreen one since I can't 'feel' the keys, I need a hardware keyboard, so that limits the phones I can choose.
Guess I'll be sticking with my Stellar for a while yet, though you notice just how small a 2.8" screen is now, when everyone else has at least 4"!
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you notice just how small a 2.8" screen is now, when everyone else has at least 4"!
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And you ladies have us believe size doesn't matter
Ok, day 2, battery life seems a little better, but that's with a 2300mah battery instead of the standard one, still say it's heavier on the battery than my kais though, it is a better handwarmer for certain, theres a discernible warmth to the lower part of the back right side after a call or using gps for a bit.
The trackball actually functions quite nicely, I have heard that some people don't like it, but I find it as useful as the scroll wheel on the kaiser, in other words, I don't use it that often, but when I do, it does what it needs to, no fuss, no messing about.
As far as customisation goes, it usually ships with 1.6 these days, but after rooting it'll go all the way to CM 6 ( Cyanogen Mod 6 = 2.2 ), although I went the CM5 ( 2.1), route myself, ( still requires DangerSPL).
With the stock 1.6 it does feel nice and fast, and has a decent amount of free space for apps, more than comparable donut builds on kaiser, but with Eclair it starts to get a little tight in there, in fact with a careful bit of tweaking I can get more free space on my kais than I can on the G1. ( at the moment both have nearly the same apps installed, G1 after taskiller = 31Mb, kais after taskiller 36Mb ).
No I am not saying the Kaiser is better than the G1, nor am I saying the G1 is better than the Kaiser, what I am saying is that I am finding they are very similar.
Can I recommend the G1 over a Kaiser with nand flashed Android, yes, but only just. The G1 has everything working after all, wifi, bt, gps, camera, video, etc etc, and so they should, the OS is designed for the hardware after all.
If you absolutely need a fully functional android phone with hardware keyboard, the G1 is a good choice, and you get what you pay for.
If you don't really need all the bells and whistles, such as video, autofocus and such, well why not stick with your kaiser, suitably nand flashed with a good stable build, it really is a lovely little machine, yes it is still work in progress, but I'm not ready to chuck mine out, I fully intend to keep it, and now I'm able to do some of the things I couldn't when it was my main phone, such as messing about with builds etc.
I had them both (2 kaisers and one G1): now only one G1.
It's slow if you use it to it's full potential (using lot's of widget's to display everything I need).
It had 1.6installed when I got it, but never used it, straight to CM 5.0.7 test3.
DangerSPL isn't really needed and isn't dangerous at all. MTD is very nice
I use fastboot all the time (is needed for CM6 too; fastboot erase system -x).
There are some nice apps like droidexplorer,... that son't work for the kaiser.
gps fix is really fast (copilot) and most gps offline programs work on hvga compared to the kaiser
The screen (much better for direct sunlight, sharper, multitouch, and finger friendly (not like kaiser!).
I'm on CM 5.0.8 (apps2froyo doesn't work good with tons off apps), waiting for CM 6.1 (but it's not really needed anyway).
Camera is actually very good compared to the windows mobile camera.
Don't use a taskiller (>1.6), use swap instead (swapper, 32-64 or 96MB swap, swappiness 40-60)!
I can multitask 6 GPS programs, read my mails,surf and go back without reloading.
Sound is actually very good compared to kaiser.
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It's expensive compared to G1 (around 100€-80dollar) and the bootloader is a motorola, it's encrypted (no custom updates ).
I bought an unlocked telus milestone a few weeks ago, it came with 2.1 update. I paid close to $500 us. For what i do with my phone, the kaiser nand flashed to mynswarmdonut works fine.Not nearly as flashy. I gave my son the milestone, I'll keep the kaiser for now. I bet my old kaiser will last as long as the new motorola.
Hi zenity, so how are things with the G1 now you have had time to use it a bit more?
You don't mention that the G1 has a digial Compass and the motion sensors that the Kaiser doesn't have, do you use / notice them?
Been reading some of the threads on the G1 forums, they seem really active too, seems like 2.2 has been ported and working. Also see that over clocking the G1 seems common, did I see they had it up to 700Mhz! that must kill the battery and be really unstable. But its stock is 528Mhz whereas the Kaiser is 400Mhz that is quite a bit of difference.
I think I will keep my eye on Ebay and see if I can pick up a cheap one.
I would just like to try one to see how a 'proper' android phone works.
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Do you not remember the old Renault Advert, "Size Matters" !
If Anyone is interested, here is a comparison of the specifications from the HTC website
Kaiser/Dream G1
Processor Qualcomm® MSM7200TM, 400MHz / Qualcomm® MSM7201A™, 528 MHz
Memory ROM: 256MB / ROM: 256 MB
RAM: 128MB SDRAM / RAM: 192 MB
Display 2.8", 240 X 320 QVGA TFT-LCD / 3.2" 320 x 480 HVGA TFT-LCD
Size LxWxD: 112mm X 59mm X 19mm / 117.7 mm x 55.7 mm x 17.1 mm
Battery Type:Li-polymer / Type: Lithium-ion
Capacity:1350 mAh / Capacity: 1150 mAh
After making my head spin looking at milestones, Desire's and X10's I had a mad moment and have gone for a Galaxy S, this caused much muttering from the wife along the lines of "€100 for a phone!", then I just pointed out that it equated to about 5 pairs of shoes (she's a cheap date ) or one shiny chrome thing to bolt on her Harley (that I have to polish for her coincidently).
It should be arriving tomorrow, so if anyone is interested in an almost spotless Kaiser for €80 then let me know
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Hi zenity, so how are things with the G1 now you have had time to use it a bit more?
You don't mention that the G1 has a digial Compass and the motion sensors that the Kaiser doesn't have, do you use / notice them?
Been reading some of the threads on the G1 forums, they seem really active too, seems like 2.2 has been ported and working. Also see that over clocking the G1 seems common, did I see they had it up to 700Mhz! that must kill the battery and be really unstable. But its stock is 528Mhz whereas the Kaiser is 400Mhz that is quite a bit of difference.
I think I will keep my eye on Ebay and see if I can pick up a cheap one.
I would just like to try one to see how a 'proper' android phone works.
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After a little while to settle in, I'm still of the opinion that it is not really noticeably faster in use, 400/528Mhz is not really a huge difference, nor is the extra 64Mb of RAM a huge advantage either, in fact as I said before it seems to run out of RAM faster than my kaiser.
I do love it on a decent Eclair build however, it does perform much smoother than my kaiser, perhaps CM6 is not quite as optimal on G1.
Battery life has stabilised a little, but in my opinion is worse than kaiser, however that may have something to do with the relative capacities of the standard batteries, that said, I have a charger at work, and I need it on occasion, and thats with the extended battery, ( my G1 is now about the same size as my kaiser, lol.
I do agree about the screen, it is larger, and more useable in bright light, the image is clear and crisp, and the surface feels nice and firm, unlike resistive touchscreens, which have a tendency to feel a little spongy.
Things I love? As I said before, google sky is to die for if you are a astronomy nerd like myself, and that uses the sensors to the maximum, just the idea of using a phone like a viewport to the stars amazes me, and it works, point it at your feet and it appears to look right through the earth.
GPS is faster to lock, but that may be due to cell tower assistance, however my favourite GPS app, (trekbuddy), has been ported to android, so I'm a happy bunny over that.
I love the new DSP additions to CM6, finally an android with real equalisation, and effects, for playing my favourite music, big bass and large room reverb has to be heard to be believed, can't wait until someone ports that to CM5, so I can have it on eclair too
My Kaiser isn't being neglected however, I am trying to keep up to date on the latest stuff, and the latest builds, however my secondary Kaiser may be getting a makeover, if I get the time it's gonna be a KaiserBot ( hint: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIQ8VtDU3W8 ).
All in all, I'm lucky not to have to decide which to keep, because it would be a hard decision, both are about equal overall, the only major difference being the completeness of the android experience, g1 wins there I'm afraid, but then, it is the original Google Android Phone.
Can I recommend getting a G1? Hell yeah, If you are aware of it's potential problems it's a good replacement for a kaiser, if you demand a hardware keyboard, if you are not afraid to mess with it getting it rooted and flashable, if you know it really needs an extended battery and are prepared to put up with the added bulk, it's worth it, ( but try not to spend over £90, that'd be about my limit on it ).
Anyway, got to go flash back to my favoured eclair build, CM6 is being a memory hog again, so it's gotta go
Nice write-up Zenity, thank you for taking the time to follow this up, I will defiantly been checking ebay, but I'm even tighter then you, £50 tops ! (yes I do have lots of shoes and clothes, but I only buy in the sales and never pay over the ods).
I have been browsing the G1 Threads already, getting some information and getting a feel as to what can be done, I read what you said about reflashing the rom and came across this thread and wondered if you had seen it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=627518
If I understand this correctly this means you don't need to install DangerSPL or anything to get a rom, if its 'shunk' down enough.
Reading though the G1 threads I wondered if there are things they are doing that could be useful for our Kiasers, aka shrinking Rom's using CACHE directory's, SWAP partitions and EXT3 (I know its not supported at the moment, but could it be?).
Is Android development done in isolation, or do devs look through different forums and use ideas from one to another? (if compatible?)
As far as DangerSPL is concerned, it is not needed if you can keep the system partition to less than 67Mb, however this pretty much restricts things, since theres only so much you can cut down before things get silly, that means on G1, Donut and maybe if you are really trimming out stuff, Eclair, forget Froyo, that's already over 90Mb, can't see how I would cut 23Mb out of that without really crippling something.
However DangerSPL is only dangerous if you go anywhere near radio, and as far as i have noticed, the minimum radio version for DangerSPL is fine anyway.
There is a certain amount of 'cross-pollination' between the devs, most tends to come our way, rather than us inspiring the 'main' android branches, however sometimes we add stuff too
As the main branch of Android customisation moves forward, so do we, just at a slightly slower pace, since in many cases it's not just as simple as copying a few files over, we have more restrictions, so we have to work harder, and smarter
Honestly, I gotta say.. the OP is right. I just recently traded my Kaiser and Rhodium for an Openmoko Neo Freerunner and a Rogers branded 911 patched HTC Dream, and the dream performs similarly to my old Kaiser....
.....until I rooted it and flashed Froyo with a kernel that allows for more that the 57some Mhz clock speed, enabled compcache and swap, and popped in an extended life battery, which incidentally makes the G1 more comfortable in my hands anyway. So now, that G1 out-performs even the Rhodium, and I just flashed the Freerunner with Froyo as well, and that's running rather smoothly too. So, all-in-all, I might have traded two awesome phones for (well, in my opinion two equally awesome phones, because I'm an OSS fanatic) two less-awesome phones, but after sinking a couple bucks and some time into them, I feel like I got a great deal.
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Honestly, I gotta say.. the OP is right. I just recently traded my Kaiser and Rhodium for an Openmoko Neo Freerunner and a Rogers branded 911 patched HTC Dream, and the dream performs similarly to my old Kaiser....
.....until I rooted it and flashed Froyo with a kernel that allows for more that the 57some Mhz clock speed, enabled compcache and swap, and popped in an extended life battery, which incidentally makes the G1 more comfortable in my hands anyway. So now, that G1 out-performs even the Rhodium, and I just flashed the Freerunner with Froyo as well, and that's running rather smoothly too. So, all-in-all, I might have traded two awesome phones for (well, in my opinion two equally awesome phones, because I'm an OSS fanatic) two less-awesome phones, but after sinking a couple bucks and some time into them, I feel like I got a great deal.
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Actually, as stock the G1 is clocked at 300Mhz or so, mainly due to the whole heat issue, (anyone who has a G1 knows what I mean, and anyone who ran early versions of android on Kaiser also knows what I mean ).
Tried various 2.2 builds, and have not really found any that compare in speed and smoothness to 2.1 builds, but as always the tradeoff is features, lower versions get less love for newer features, such as DSP.
The extended battery should be standard on G1, it really does perform badly on the standard one, I have to have 2 chargers, one at home, and one at work, and even on extended battery I find myself topping up in the afternoon.
No doubts, it is a damn good bit of kit, and as the first Android mobile it is still special, but all in all, it really isn't a great deal better than my beloved kaiser, it is better in some areas, mostly things that our kaisers either don't have, accelerometer, compass, capacitive touchscreen. And it has everything working, unless you play with less developed builds, ( Sense UI comes to mind).
I am pretty much settled with the G1 being my main phone, my Kaiser is getting used and slightly abused for experimental stuff, my secondary kais is out on loan, sold my Diamond, and the iffy HD,( it has a really weird sound issue, speaker works fine, but after boot it thinks the headset is plugged in, suspect a hardware fault), is lying on my workbench shelf.
Kaiser was my first love as far as android goes, always will be, the G1 is just a phone
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Actually, as stock the G1 is clocked at 300Mhz or so, mainly due to the whole heat issue, (anyone who has a G1 knows what I mean, and anyone who ran early versions of android on Kaiser also knows what I mean ).
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I know that. What I meant was that with the stock kernel the maximum you can set the clock speed to is around 576Mhz with SetCPU. What I have is an overclocking kernel that allows for over 800Mhz, but that's when it gets REALLY hot and battery drains super fast. I wouldn't suggest anything above 617Mhz though if you want it to be stable or usable.
As far as running android on Kaiser, I used that as an -almost- viable alternative to having an actual android phone. I was running android on my Kaiser from the very start of android-on-Kaiser because I'm a huge linux nerd and at&t didn't have any android phones until recently (I was just laid off from at&t in march from my middle-management position) so I definitely remember the extreme heat issues with early builds. Hell, that damn thing had such nasty heat issues that even when I was running winmo for tethering I had to take the backing off and stick thermal paste on the battery and apply a heatsink just to keep it from overheating to the point where it would stop charging completely, then discharge inside of 30 minutes from tethering on 3g.
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Tried various 2.2 builds, and have not really found any that compare in speed and smoothness to 2.1 builds, but as always the tradeoff is features, lower versions get less love for newer features, such as DSP.
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If you want a froyo build that's fast and smooth, try the Froyo Redux builds. They run better than any other build I've tried. Of course, I'm sticking with 2.1 at the moment for themes and absolute stability. Really, all that 2.2 has over 2.1 is native Apps2SD, and more multi-touch, but since I already have Apps2SD installed and 2.1 has MT capabilities if you force-enable it (find a version of the app you want to use MT with that someone has already patched MT into.. Brut Google Maps is a good example). As far as DSP, Meh. My Dream is a phone, not a stereo system. I applied the audio hack for louder volume and that's good enough for me.
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The extended battery should be standard on G1, it really does perform badly on the standard one, I have to have 2 chargers, one at home, and one at work, and even on extended battery I find myself topping up in the afternoon.
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Undoubtedly true. I have a 2200mAh battery, 2x 1400mAh, and a 1200mAh battery, and on days of heavy blogging and lots of photography, I find myself actually burning through all of them. I sometimes feel like I should be carrying a camera bag and be like the professional photographers but instead of changing rolls of film, I'm changing batteries.
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No doubts, it is a damn good bit of kit, and as the first Android mobile it is still special, but all in all, it really isn't a great deal better than my beloved kaiser, it is better in some areas, mostly things that our kaisers either don't have, accelerometer, compass, capacitive touchscreen. And it has everything working, unless you play with less developed builds, ( Sense UI comes to mind).
I am pretty much settled with the G1 being my main phone, my Kaiser is getting used and slightly abused for experimental stuff, my secondary kais is out on loan, sold my Diamond, and the iffy HD,( it has a really weird sound issue, speaker works fine, but after boot it thinks the headset is plugged in, suspect a hardware fault), is lying on my workbench shelf.
Kaiser was my first love as far as android goes, always will be, the G1 is just a phone
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I'm honestly more amped up about my Dream than I ever was about my Kaiser, except maybe the first time I successfully booted android via Haret. To me, the larger screen, it being capacitive, the accelerometers, and the compass are a big deal. I can actually -use- the screen for typing if I don't feel like opening the keyboard, and I can get a landscaped keyboard just by turning it sideways, and with the capacitive screen, typing is a lot more accurate and feels nicer. Standard resistive touchscreens feel kinda 'gummy' to me, and I don't like 'em. And the compass is great for photography. When you're wandering in the woods for the perfect shot, and can't remember which way is which, it can literally be a big lifesaver.
All-in-all, Once you overclock a Dream/G1 to 617Mhz or beyond and get a bigger battery (or several) it becomes a superbeast, and it's like apples and oranges when comparing it to the Kaiser. Hardware wise, it's closer to a Rhodium than a Kaiser when you get down to it. The Rhodium clock is 528Mhz, and I run my Dream well beyond that all the time.
Firstly let me say I really appreciate all the hard work done on the Tilt, both on updating Windows Mobile and on porting Android.
I installed Myn's Warm Doughnut on my Tilt a few months back, and even then, the release was a few months old. Now I come back to the android development forum, and I see the same releases as last time I looked. Android on the Tilt is cool, but there certainly seems like there is a lot more work to be done (video play back, GPS fixes that take less than 10 minutes, drivers for 2.0+ builds). Is anyone still working on the Android ports, or have things kind of flat lined?
There is still quite a bit of development activity, although it tends to be quietly bubbling away, under the surface.
There is less build development, since most of the main builds are development-stable, and updates are mainly incorporation of new fixes.
Regarding GPS, cell tower location is now working, so now fixes are a lot faster, which is a recent development.
So development is not dead, merely simmering
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Firstly let me say I really appreciate all the hard work done on the Tilt, both on updating Windows Mobile and on porting Android.
I installed Myn's Warm Doughnut on my Tilt a few months back, and even then, the release was a few months old. Now I come back to the android development forum, and I see the same releases as last time I looked. Android on the Tilt is cool, but there certainly seems like there is a lot more work to be done (video play back, GPS fixes that take less than 10 minutes, drivers for 2.0+ builds). Is anyone still working on the Android ports, or have things kind of flat lined?
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Seriously? The way I see it things are moving forward rapidly.
When I started running Android I started with Polymod 2.1g and it ran but it was slow and buggy. The audio system kept turning off, needing a reboot to start again. GPS was updating slowly, if at all, and always ended with a kernel panic sooner or later.
I've seen a lot of builds come and go (after all, eclair is eclair, donut is donut, don't expect the builds to change much). Still things has happend. We don't need to run a higher res at the wrong aspect ratio. Pretty much everything runs fine in QVGA now. It's surprisingly stable and we even have good Froyo release long before most "real" android phones.
The kernel and the libs however have changed a lot, to the better. Audio system is much more stable, we now have 11Mb more useable RAM. Camera works in Donut, Eclair and Froyo. BT works except for A2DP in eclair. The Kaiser GPS is usable now. There are still some issues, especially in software that turns the GPS on and off often but compared to when I tried it for the first time it's a very big difference. We have just recently got network location working, SIM pincode support and working 2G/3G swithing on GSM models (Kaiser/Polaris).
And also dzo is working hard bringing the kernel up to 2.6.32: http://androidhtc.git.sourceforge.n....git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/htc-vogue-2.6.32
Maybe it depends on you expectations but the way I look at it, development is progressing very well. And if you still think it's moving to slowly, ask yourself what _you_ can do to help it get better. There are still a lot of loose ends that needs attention.
Things are definitely going quite fast around here, just take a look at other phones and you'll see that -ported- Android on these devices is not as usable as it is on the kaiser. Keep in mind that Kaiser was released in 2007, so it's really great to see such attention for an old device.
I tried Android when it first came long time ago (a year or more), and it was in early stages back then. It wasn't usable, but a good preview.
In April I tried Myn's Warm Doughnut build, and it worked quit fine. since then, I tried most of the builds out there. every few days there is a new update and a new release.
I wanted to get rid of my Kaiser when I got the HD2, but since I installed android, I found myself using it more than HD2
My advice: try VaniljEclair, it's very stable, and after a while it gets very fast. few issues here and there, but overall, very usable