Some information needed about memory in the Wizard - Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking

Hi all,
Can someone please explain to me how the memory is configured in the wizard ? When I look in the Settings>>Memory>>main, I can see that I have Storage memory ( 42.55 Total) and Program memory ( 44.01 Total)
In both areas I have almost 25mb free, what is actually stored in each ? Where is the ROM stored ?
I have read about the 'Extended Memory' is this in one of these or is there another area ? I have read that it is possible to unlock the extended memory, what exactly does that mean, what can I do with this unlocked memory ?
Is there a way to store programs is a memory area where they will not get deleted after a hard reset ?
Hope some one can clarify these points to me.
Chees AZ :roll:

Here is the explanation. It is the same for all WM5 based phones:
1) Program memory - This is your RAM. Just like in the PC it is the memory used to run programs. Part of it will always be used by the OS and other things you have running in the background, which is why you never get all the 64MB printed on the box.
2) Storage memory - This is like your hard disk. It's actually flash memory (just like disk on key) and is used to store files, settings, and all the outlook databases. It is deleted when you hard reset the device.
3) Extended ROM - This is another partition of the flash memory, but unlike storage memory it is hidden and read only. Usually the cellular provider puts it's customization cabs there. If you check the Wizard section of the wiki you will find a tool that will make this partition visible and writable so you can use it just like a built-in storage card. It's contents will not be erased during hard reset, but it will become hidden and read only again.
4) ROM - This is where your OS is stored. It isn't really ROM, but another partition of the same FLASH that contains storage and extended ROM, except it is always hidden and can only be written to by special programs (like the ROM updater). The files there are organized in a special way so they are ready to run and you can see most of them in your windows directory.
On the box of your (and most new devices) it says 128MB ROM. About 64 of those are the OS, another 10MB extended ROM and the rest is storage.

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Need help with HTC 3300 ran out of ram memory

The problem is that there is not enough available free space for correct work of win. mobile OS. Each time I reboot my phone, the greetings message appears, it also appears when I browsing in menu, trying to change settings. What should I do if there is no additional processes in progress besides Calendar, Messages or Contacts? I have only 700 kb free and remaining 41,3 mb are used. I thought that adding 2 gb flash micro sd card would solve my problem, but it still exists.
Thank you all.
I'll wait for your advices and suggestions.
Try to uninstall some programs (like today plugins and etc)
they use your memmory.
Adding a 2GB memory card isn't like just adding more memory to your PC - the phone treats the memory card as separate memory, not just an extension of the existing. You need to actually move files from the device to the card, remove programs and re-install them to the card instead of the device, set Pocket Outlook to save attachments to the memory card etc
But there is nothing to be uninstalled, cause there are only few programs, that were already in my phone when I bught it.
Should I clear a date storage? Then what will happen with my contact list and messages?
"Clear storage" will delete everything on your phone, including settings etc. It's similar to doing a hard reset.
If you've not got programs installed on your device, how much e-mail/contacts have you got stored on it?
where would i find today plugins etc to remove and then put on memory card,
and would i be better doin same with other folders like video, music etc , im new to the orbit so any advice is helpul thanks
Yes, always store stuff (docs, media etc) on the storage card; only use the phone memory when you REALY have to.
For your own stuff, use the built-in File Explorer and cut and paste all your files from "Documents" (or wherever you've saved them on the device) to the storage card.
As for programs/plug-ins, rather than just move them it's probably better to delete them and then re-install them, selecting "memory card" when it asks where you want to install them.
thanks for yr reply atleast i now know i can put most things on storage card. the onboard memory isnt that big and thats what confused me im use to havin a normal phone the orbit is all new to me thanks again for your help

make more storage for files than progams ?!!

i need help i want a way to make my storage for files more than my storage for programs i use wm6.5 pda2k i dont care if i have to downgrade for a while to do it i have no problem but what is an os that makes u change the space of the storage
if there is i would me helped by u giving me the rom
25 veiws no answer :|
Thats probably because you didn't write big enough.
Dirk
hehe, nice one, spades01!
ok, no one answers, i'll take it.
@almaster:
you are confusing a few things:
you are probably referring to that memory dialogue you had in wm2003 where you could choose the ratio of program and storage memory yourself. that was possible, because wm2003's storage space "\" (like the C:\ on your pc) was actually a RAM drive, and therefor lost, when the battery and backup battery run dry. there was also a 2nd drive, "storage" that had an icon like a storage card, it was 44mb and was persistent, even after you ran out of energy, because it was not ram based but a real memory chip, like in a usb storage stick, that can also hold data without batterys.
the point is: you cannot pick the ratio of program and storage space yourself, because the only storage space you have now, is the old "storage" drive, the 44mb (or in case you resized the extrom space to 128kb and reparted the drive, like 60mb) that old storage, that looked like an external memory has now become your C:\ drive and that ram space you had is now ram. yes, all of it. 112mb, because while wm2003 could easily run with 30mb of ram, you will see, that wm6.5 with titanium and things like that, will easily take up 60mb or more, with customizations or running programs you might get as high as 90mb, and that is why there is hardly any tolerable loss of ram. but if you do want to have a little more space, either look for a rom that has a ramdisk built in of maybe 16mb, then you will have a 2nd drive again, or, if you haven't done it yet, repart your wm2003's extrom, so your basic storage will go up to 60 mb.
if you happen to have done neither so far, at least you will gain another 32mb to your existing 44mb, that is 70% more, and all i can do for you here.
for the extrom resize, go here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel_WM6_WizzardUpgrade1_WM2003SE0
or here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=BA_Extrom_and_Repart
for a wm6.5 rom with ramdisk, have a look for yourself, i just looked in xplode's, sun_dream's and swampy395's rom threads and didn't find any, but they are out there

RAM - How to Keep Max RAM Available?

Hello,
I would like to keep the maximum amount of RAM memory free for device use. If I install all my applications on an MicroSD card, (thus keeping the device's RAM clear), will this optimize performance?
Thanks
You can't install apps into RAM. You have 3 types of memory on your device and you seem to be mixing them up and causing confusion.
1. Program memory - this is RAM.
2. Storage memory - this is flash based memory on your device. The ROM is stored here.
3. SD card - self explanatory.
For best performance, you should install everything into program memory.
ohyeahar said:
For best performance, you should install everything into program memory.
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Don't you mean storage memory (i.e. ROM)?
You can't install programs in RAM. Program information is stored in RAM when the application is running thats the only time RAM is used. Therefore to conserve RAM make sure you close any active programs after using them. You could disable TouchFlo 3D and get a big chunk of RAM back.
On my Mogul I run a program called "Oxios Hibernate" that helps free up RAM from the crap that grabs it as it stays on over time. It helps a lot, but I still need reboots. On the TP2, it would probably work wonderfully.
Thanks for the reply, but the answer is still unclear.
Where should I install applications for best device performance?
Well, you can't install a programm onto the RAM. The RAM is used when you load a programm.
For example, imagine that you install a programm named "Text Editor". You can choose to install it on phone memory (Storage Memory) or on the SD card.
That does not uses RAM. But when you launch (use) the programm, then you use some RAM to launch it. Well, and then, when you close the programm, it does free the RAM used to launch it (or should be).
It's the same in a computer: you can install a game, which require some hard disk space. But to launch the game, you will generaly need some RAM.
So, you can choose to install a programm on SD card or on storage memory. The difference is that, when you want to launch the programm, access will be a little faster on storage memory than on SD card. But once the programm is launched, there isn't any difference any more.
Well, now, to keep RAM, you just need to minimise the programms runnings (for example, installing a screensaver will uses some RAM, as this programm will always be loaded). To do so:
- Don't install to many programms that keeps running all the time (like S2P)
- You can tweak your system and choose not to launch some services (like direct push, which uses 10MB RAM)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not an expert.
And sorry for my poor english
Thanks for the detailed explanation, but the question is still open. To make sure we are on the same wave, the device has:
ROM - 512 MB
RAM - 288 (including 32 MB in the 'baseband' according to specs, whatever that is)
SD Slot - Storage up to 32 GB with a Micro SD card I would add
With this information, where should I install applications for best performance? It seems the 512 MB ROM is probably read-only (the operating system should sit here). So if I do not have an SD card, am I forced to install applications in the RAM? I assume I cannot install my applications in the ROM ("Read Only Memory"). My understanding is that the RAM should be kept as clear as possible to allow good performance, and thus programs should not be installed in it? What exactly is meant by "storage memory", the RAM or the ROM?
I am very familiar with PC concepts, but this one has confused me.
Thank you in advance
mail_e36 said:
Thanks for the detailed explanation, but the question is still open. To make sure we are on the same wave, the device has:
ROM - 512 MB
RAM - 288 (including 32 MB in the 'baseband' according to specs, whatever that is)
SD Slot - Storage up to 32 GB with a Micro SD card I would add
With this information, where should I install applications for best performance? It seems the 512 MB ROM is probably read-only (the operating system should sit here). So if I do not have an SD card, am I forced to install applications in the RAM? I assume I cannot install my applications in the ROM ("Read Only Memory"). My understanding is that the RAM should be kept as clear as possible to allow good performance, and thus programs should not be installed in it? What exactly is meant by "storage memory", the RAM or the ROM?
I am very familiar with PC concepts, but this one has confused me.
Thank you in advance
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ROM is like your hard drive on your computer. Also the hard drive on a phone. You can't install anything on your ram.
You install it on your SD card !!
So it looks like the ROM in this device isn't actually Read Only Memory like one would think?
jayr04 said:
ROM is like your hard drive on your computer. Also the hard drive on a phone. You can't install anything on your ram.
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Isn't it ROM, as in meaning it's non-volatile. i.e. if your battery dies, you are not going to loose what's stored in it...
Here's how I do things:
Essential utils like task managers, anything that runs in the background etc, MUST go onto the phone and not a card.
Anything I'd want to have regardless of the SD card inserted also goes on the phone. Media players and so on.
Games and large apps go on the SD where possible.
I also have another class: "apps that don't need installed". Some apps you can copy the install directory and just run the exe after a hard-reset. Only works with one that don't modify the registry much. I've figured out which ones of mine work OK and they sit on a special folder on the SD with shortcuts also set up on the SD card. Just copy the shortcuts into the Start Menu after a hard reset and you are set.
However, the TP2 has a huge internal storage area compared to my previous WM phones. Running out isn't going to be an issue.
sakshaug007 said:
Don't you mean storage memory (i.e. ROM)?
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Haha, you're right! I guess I got confused myself as well!
Anyway, install everything into storage memory!
mail_e36 said:
So it looks like the ROM in this device isn't actually Read Only Memory like one would think?
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it is ROM,
there are several tyopes of ROM. the ROM we are talking about is EEPROM (can be erased and programmed electrically - using software) or some say EEPROM is Flash Memory.
so,
ROM in the device is Read Only Memory (non volatile)
your SD CARD is also a type of ROM (flash memory) but an external one. So, ROM is basically where you store your data permanently and RAM only temporer when that data is in use (open, edited, etc).
Thank you to everyone who responded to my post, you were a lot of help.
it seems these phones dont actually follow the traditional fetch decode execute cycle that a computer does. instead of a hdd there is a eeprom or flash chip in the phone.. the rest of the cycle seems the same. it will be quicker running things from the device as appose to the storage card as the "busses" are faster however if you have loads of apps open yes device will slow down as the ram will be full everything thats happening goes in to the ram before it goes in to the cpu to be crunched. so you can fill your device with apps and it will nto make it slower, it will only be slower if you leave everything running using up all the ram. sorry naff reply lol
and use cleanRAm by htc adics its great!
ROM isn't the correct term to use anymore (it was back before WM5 where the ROM really WAS read only) (unless you were flashing) but is still used anyways. It is a flash chip that has partitions. After the OS and radio and everything is stored in, one more partition is made with all the space left over and that is where you install programs and save things to. RAM is never used to install programs (it was before WM5, but no longer).
use HtcAddicts cleanRam - is works verry well
Nice post. thanks for the file. So if you want to compare your phone's hardware to the equal function of hardware on your PC: ROM is like your internal hard drive; RAM is like your memory; and the storage card is like an external hard drive. Though keep in mind they really aren't the same, just performing comparative functions.
So if you want your phone to respond more quickly, you want as much free RAM as possible. The open applications and all the processes that are running are in the RAM. Limit those and your phone will respond better (by closing unused applications, running the previously mentioned program, etc.). How full your ROM or your storage card are do not effect performance (to my knowledge). However, applications installed on your ROM will be accessed more quickly than if installed on the storage card. So install all the programs you want on the ROM, there should be plenty of space. Put all your big files like pics and music on the storage card.

Apps2sd problem

I have had the latest MoDaCo rom running on my T-Mobile G2 touch a day after I recieved it and have to say that it out performs the stock rom by far. I have noticed a problem in the last 2 days or so which prompted me to do a clean install today but unfortunately did not resolve the problem.
I originally installed the MoDaCo rom using the guide over at the unlockr which was very simple and effective. I also decided that I would try and use apps2sd to help remove installed packages off my phone and store them on my 8GB SD. I had partitioned my sd card as the guide here suggests, I followed the code correctly by basically using copy and paste function in cmd so as to not make any mistakes and made note to update the ext2 to ext3 only as I read that the ext4 has issues with this particular rom.
I presumed everything was fine until today I noticed that when I install an app from the market store it seems to still be storing all the applications on the phone memory, I noticed the phone memory was reducing on every installation wheras the sdcard memory is untouched. Another thing I noticed is that in the sd card setting the sd card total space is being read as 7078MB wheras the partition was for a size of 7437MB. I have also accessed the data/apps folder on my phone through adb shell commands and low and behold all my apps are stored on there. There is also no folder on the sd card so there must be a problem.
I would be greatful if anyone could guide me as to any known issues with apps2sd on this particular rom or whether they can see where I might have done something incorrectly.
Many Thanks
With Aps2SD as I understand it, some parts of the programmes are still stored on the devices - system files etc. so The phone memory will change gradually.
Also, the browser and market caches still grow on the device, and need deleting via Application manager to keep the device memory as free as possible. (With Browser, clear cache, but not data as this clears your cookies and bookmarks )
Also, the apps from aps 2 SD are of course stored on the Ext3 partition. It doesn't get read at all as the SD Card in the device, as the device only sees FAT32 as SDCard space, so new apps loaded don't make a dint in the SD Memory seen on the device, or even in your PC, as this does the same thing, it doesn't see the Ext3 partition.
In My case, prior to installing MCR rom, I had around 50 apps on my device and my phone memory was reading around 70MB
After a wipe and installing MCR2.0 before loading any APPS - I was at around 155MB
After reinstalling ALL my 50 apps plus a fair few more - so around 60 apps(including some bulky apps like CoPilot - which I know stores around 8mb of its total of 15mb on the device itself to run smoothly and Docs To Go) I'm at around 120MB
So my advice is - Check your Browser and market caches. If your device has 50 or 60 apps on taking up around 30mb, then the bulk of those apps are being stored on your Ext 3 partition and its likely all running as it should.
If you have 50 or 60 apps and they are taking up closer to 80/90mb of your device storage, then aps2 SD might not have worked. - check on the thread for ROM that you have installed for advice on how to solve it.
Hope that helps
Dayz xx

[Q] Problem with memory

Hello.
S.E.A.L (The Deleterious Rom) was stitched with factory dumping and cache cleaning.
From a memory card I didn't see a ROM file, it was necessary to throw for internal memory.
After a reinsertion the body didn't want to join, hanged on the Samsung logo. After several resets joined, but the place on internal memory sharply came to an end.
I didn't find location of a firmware file.
Two questions:
1 . How with the smallest labor costs to find and remove all superfluous (there were folders data, data_1, data_2, data_3, in the same number of the MNT folder)? Maybe any script? Or I need to delete manually? If manually how to find location of the file with an insertion (initially lay in a root of internal memory)? Besides, somewhere on internal memory the backup which I did in recovery has to roll. As a result I have 450 free Mb... It will be small.
2 . What it is possible to make that the firmware file undertook from a memory card i.e. that the body saw it and it could be stitched from it?

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