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I seem to see a lot of issues witht he Orbit/HTC Artemis.
I was about to buy one so wondered 'if you were buying again TODAY would you buy this phone or another?'
Cheers.
Robin
Why not?
You are sking about Orbit/Artemis, but I believe the guys with the O2 version are the most affected by the bugs The P3300 etc. have shiped ROMs available so it is easy to restore when in trouble. The lesson here should be not to start messing around with your device if you are not in possession of the original ROM.
I have been very happy with my device and would buy again, only I am waiting for the HTC Advantage. When we start tweaking that too we will have the wailing and gnashing of teeth if people do not take precautions
Once I managed to get the P3300 Rom on my Orbit it's been a much better device.
Previously I had a I-Mate K-Jam (Wizard) and the main downside I had with it was the size of thing when it was in my pocket. I don't even notice the orbit meaning that it can now be my all the time phone instead of just my weekday phone. Previously at weekends I found myself changing the Sim Card to a smaller phone when I didn't care about having the extra features.
But if I was buying now I'd wait and see what happens with the WM6 upgrade (if it comes along).
I would buy again - not had any problems with my standard Orbit
No problems with the storage card. TomTom working well
This may be a bit off topic but it is just to erritterate what "victoradjei" said... I remember when the Magician was quite new and users who started tweaking intensively encounterred a lot of problems and I was at first very scared to buy it. I eventually bought one and waited until hacks/tweaks were reliable. As of today my Magician works well.
I would buy it again, too.
The CPU is a bit slow, but I knew it before.
Everythings works for me.
I have the P3300 and I didn't mess around with the ROM or use any tweaking programs.
It does what I want it to do - so I see no point trying to turn it into a super computer.
Bottom line is I am happy with my choice - then again, my last phone was a Nokia 6100 and that was pretty high tech for me at the time also.
I didn't buy mine (part of my job entails maintaining over 1500 O2 UK smartphones so I get to play with a few of them), but the Orbit is easily the best iteration I have used so far.
The best as in form factor and it-is-a-phone-after-all usability/battery life, responsiveness and reception quality (no 3G or keyboard are not concerns for me).
So to OP, definitely (until the next FOTM arrives)
Definately yes - THE only thing that will tempt me away is apples iphone..... Which I hope someone will make a BT GPS unit to work with it.
On the orbit The only really annoying thing I find (having now hacked the Stereo BT to work, and tweaked Today interface) ... is the camera is cr*p ....it only works outdoors, no macro, autofocus - beaten by ANY sony E !!!
I must admit it is the iPhone I am waiting for but I need a phone in the meantime..
Robin
The only issue I see is that with mSD cards going garbage.
Apart from that, I never had any problems (and if you do ... well ... it is Windows agter all !!!).
I would definitely buy another P3300, especially if there will be an updated version with mSD fix, a faster CPU and some more built-in storage. WM6 would be cool.
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I must admit it is the iPhone I am waiting for but I need a phone in the meantime..
Robin
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why ?
Its bulky, no 3G, can't load 3rd part applications, no GPS, only 8gb for music (I need at least 30gb otherwise I need to pick each day what I put on), suspisious battery life.
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why ?
Its bulky, no 3G, can't load 3rd part applications, no GPS, only 8gb for music (I need at least 30gb otherwise I need to pick each day what I put on), suspisious battery life.
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Not to get off of the subject, but my wife gave me the Creative Labs NOMAD Jukebox Zen (USB 2.0) one year for X-Mas.
Since then, I have taken out the 20gb laptop drive in there and replaced it with a 60gb drive
It seems like the since the iPod came along - having very limited storage space that cannot be upgraded without tossing out the old one and buying a new one - it set a trend in the rest of the market.
I look around the shops once in a while and see how mp3 players went from 60gb off the shelf now only hold a few gigs at the most for the same price.
Now this brings up the question:
Is the iPhone going to drive the technology backwards like the iPod did for the mp3 players making end user lose out in the end?
This could run and run
Although the iPhone can't do anything my Orbit can't, I am very impressed with the form factor and user interface of the iPhone - if it works as slickly as the demos suggest.
Similarly, my Nomad JB3 40Gb does a lot of things that my early iPod Photo 60Gb simply can't do - but the NJB is just such a crude device to operate in comparison to the iPod.
At the end of the day they are only products to be marketed, and for the majority of consumers the i*** interface and form factor are an easy sell.
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This could run and run
Although the iPhone can't do anything my Orbit can't, I am very impressed with the form factor and user interface of the iPhone - if it works as slickly as the demos suggest.
Similarly, my Nomad JB3 40Gb does a lot of things that my early iPod Photo 60Gb simply can't do - but the NJB is just such a crude device to operate in comparison to the iPod.
At the end of the day they are only products to be marketed, and for the majority of consumers the i*** interface and form factor are an easy sell.
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this is my favourite type of discussion. off-topic of course ....
my counter-argument to you is why the macbook is a tiny minority. Sure its slickly marketed, looks cute and has a nice interface (although - kill me - i kind of like vista . Buts it has no pcmcia card (so my 3G card can't be used), is heavy (5lbs vs, say 4lbs for a toshiba U205) and ir overpriced. most people are more intelligent then the marketers, which is why some fish are snagged (i.e. the macbook sells at all) but most people who want a cool small laptop still go for a samsung or sony. and most sensible people get the £400 15" basic .....
Now we are WAY OFF TOPIC.........
I am intrigued by Colonels comments, I bet he has never used a Mac for real?
Many people are forced to use a PC for work but I know many people who have been PC users for years and finally tried a Mac for home use and would not go back to a PC again.
But back to my original question. )
Robin
I've had my Dash 1 for about a year now and happy with it. I upgraded it to the 6.1 rom.
I'm not sure if I should upgrade to the new Dash 3G. I use my phone mostly for IRC, texting, and corp email. I try to web browse with IE/Skyfire but most of the time, the phone will run out of memory due to the heavy email client that I need to use (Good Messaging).
I do not see any thing that the Dash 3G will offer me that I don't already have. Stable web browsing would be nice though. GPS a plus since I tend to rely on Google Maps.
Is the Dash 3G the must have upgrade for us Dash 1 users? Since I bought my Dash 1 at full price, I still qualify for the 2 year contract for $169 at T-Mobile (I hate contracts!).
I was considering posting this in the Maple forum, but it would probably get more views here.
D3G has alot more RAM and a higher clock speed, plus the keyboard looks easier to type on. If your happy with your Dash you can just hang on to it until the price goes down on the D3G in a few months. With higher end phones being offered on AT&T for cheaper w/contract, I can see them lowering the price sooner than expected.
From what Ive seen it definantly is an upgrade for Dash users, and cooked ROMs are already in the works. I cant wait to get my hands on one, especially since im in a T-mo 3g area.
I am a currently on T-Mobile and was just about to switch to AT&T, mainly because I couldn't use 3g with my Tilt. I really wanted 3g speeds since you can do 'internet sharing' in windows mobile, then tether it to my laptop via bluetooth. This would open a whole new world for me...I've only had my tilt a few months now...and I'm itching bad for 3g.
I'm not sure on t-mobile's stance on tethering, although when I was on the phone with one of their escalation techs for 'non t-mobile phones' in the past, they were pretty cool with giving me info on tethering, and even refering me to xda-developers. I'm sure their default Dash 3g will probably be missing the applications for that option though.
I'm still trying to decide if I should get the new MyTouch vs. Dash 3g...I've read about google blocking an app that allowed Andriod tethering, does anyone know if its still available/possible?
I have had my 3G for about a week. It is a great phone. I miss my Excalibur, it has been the best phone I have ever owned and the support and ROM's here are absolutely awesome.
Do you have 3G service where you live, work, and/or travel often?
Are you running applications that exceed current memory?
Are there applications that you do not run because of speed and/or memory limitations?
I will say that I absolutely hated to shelf the Excalibur but I do enjoy the speed of the device and the data network. Tethering is the same as the previous model. The battery life is great, and the trackball took getting used to but has become indespensable. The first couple days I really debated keeping it, but am glad I did....at least for now.
i think if you're in a 3g area and can hold back on getting better cooked roms and want to deal with a blackberry wannabe retard trackball then you should go for it. i ordered one just off the principle that the silver piece on my dash started peeling off and i needed something that wasnt fallling apart but.. i love the dash. although the buttons on the 3g are amazing. no joggr though... who says you can't swap your sim every once in a while. i hear you have to get a different data plan for the 3g service though.. not sure yet but i'm sure someone does
I'm looking on Ebay at the Dash 3G and I'm not seeing any that's unlocked. Does anyone know if anyone has unlocked a Dash 3G yet? I need to use in on AT&T.
I really can't see any benefits to going to the Dash 3g.
- No 3G service in my area
- Same screen, same resolution as Dash 1
GPS would be nice, but I'm planning on getting the next iPod Touch which is rumored to have it. Can't use iPhone because I need corp email.
The Dash 3G would give me better web browsing and probably longer battery life. For $169 with no contract I would probably pick one up. I hate signing the 2 year contract in case I want to switch phones. The Dash 3G might really show it's age in 2 years.
But I am a fan of the Dash. I cannot stand stylus/touch screen on the other Windows Mobile phones.
and I just read Telenav is $9.99/month. I will not be getting GPS on the Dash 3G then.
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and I just read Telenav is $9.99/month. I will not be getting GPS on the Dash 3G then.
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Thats why I use Google Maps and amAze, its free!
3G Tether
My friendly T-Mobile rep told me that T-Mo will not support tethering any 3G phone because they don't want to sacrifice the bandwidth.
My solution (until last week) was to use my G1 and swap my sim to my Tilt when I needed to tether. That stopped last week when my G1 suddenly started to refuse any data connection with a notice that I needed to change to a G1 compatible data plan.
More discussion with the T-Mo folks has gotten them to offer to replace my G1 with any other phone, and I think I may go to the D3G and then keep my Tilt charged for tethering until there is a D3G rom that will support it.
Thoughts?
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My friendly T-Mobile rep told me that T-Mo will not support tethering any 3G phone because they don't want to sacrifice the bandwidth.
My solution (until last week) was to use my G1 and swap my sim to my Tilt when I needed to tether. That stopped last week when my G1 suddenly started to refuse any data connection with a notice that I needed to change to a G1 compatible data plan.
More discussion with the T-Mo folks has gotten them to offer to replace my G1 with any other phone, and I think I may go to the D3G and then keep my Tilt charged for tethering until there is a D3G rom that will support it.
Thoughts?
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I tether my 3g dash often (like now) without issue. They may be trying to stop those that are not paying for the 3g plan from utilizing a 3g phone/data by putting the sim in a 3g device. Just a guess, but I have not had an issue.
I had the Snap for a day. Then returned it. Mainly because the Menu keys were bad quality (getting stuck, etc... see my detailed thread in the Maple forum).
Other issue was the keyboard layout. Yes, the keys are huge but they are too crammed and you can't feel the gaps between them and it's harder to touch type. I also prefer the grid alignment of the Excalibur.
Trackball was useful although web browsing still seemed sluggish.
Battery life seemed nice (limited experience), GPS is definitely welcome.
Overall, I expected to be blown away by the speed improvement (faster CPU) but wasn't. Yes, it's better but not THAT much.
Had a brief love affair with a sweet Samsung C6625 but left it on the shelf (because I love this forum!).
I will probably upgrade some day, but this keyboard bug has to be fixed first (I'm not the only one)
Greg
I went to the T-Mobile store and played with one. It was definately nice but not game-changing. Like I said, I already have Win 6.1 on the Excalibur.
I would grab it for $169 straight up without the contract. But not with a 2 year contract.
I had a hands-on today, awsome phone, I love the keyboard. Cant wait to have one.
I upgraded from the old Dash to the new Dash 3G. I can say that I am not disappointed at all.
Bigger keyboard, longer battery life, faster cpu, definitely worth it.
I use my phone to keep in touch with my customers via email as I am always on the go(this is where the bigger keys help). I listen to Sirius with the SiriusWM5 app all day(benefit of the bigger battery). Also, doing both on my old Dash seemed to be laggy, switching between email and my media player, causing audio to skip, or having to wait a few seconds just to see who sent me an email. New model I can do this with no lag, skips, or delays(this is where the faster processor in the new 3G has helped out).
HTC DASH 3G hardware review
I HOPE THIS REVIEW IS HELPFUL TO PEOPLE. I TRIED TO BE AS OBJECTIVE AND THOROUGH AS POSSIBLE. -Justin Chandler
Before agreeing to a contract and upping to the Dash 3G, I decided to buy one outright to test its functionality. I would be "upgrading" from the old dash (been using it since 06 and crappy WM5) with the XDA-Developers.com WM6.1 ROM.
Hardware review:
The new dash's design is attractive, both visually and functionally. It is all black with a very sleek and professional look. It definitely looks nicer than the old one visually. The buttons take a little time to get used to because they do seem flatter, but the larger size of them helps a lot. People with larger fingers will appreciate this, I'm sure. Also, they are very well lit and much easier to see in the dark than the old Dash1's buttons.
Though it may not actually be flatter than Dash1, it feels flatter for some reason and gives the perception of being more technologically advanced when you hold it. The rubber back on the Dash in general was well-received by many including myself, although the new rubber on the Dash3G seems a little too smooth and has a tendency to slip around in your hand more than Dash1, especially when doing single-handed typing.
The new dash [probably related to the added height], it seems a little off balance in my hands. I'm 5'8" so those with larger hands may not experience this as much.
I liked the old rubber backing because I could put the phone in a little dash box below the radio in my car and it would grip happily and never move. The new one slips and slides around like a dog on a newly-waxed floor.
What can you say about the screen? It's the same screen as the old dash in most ways, though it does seem brighter with richer colors. Again there's not much to say, but it is nicer for sure.
The control area of the dash, has been changed a lot, with different button positioning and the inclusion of a trackball. I admit I have hit the home and back keys on accident many times, trying to make selections, though you could train your hands out of that I'm sure. Many of you are likely pleased to see a trackball included, though don't be to quick here. It is nice having a mouse pointer in web pages, though no amount of tweaking with the settings was able to overcome the fact that it scrolls too many pixels at a time, often making it difficult to select a link [while browsing]. The solution is to scroll up or down the web page a little then go back down to the link so you can click on it. Also, diagonal scrolling just isn't really there. You will get the impression that the trackball only operates in 4 directions with any reliability. Perhaps someone will come up with a tweaking utility that can help overcome this. Clicking with the trackball is also a bit of a task, as the pressure spring below it is a bit too stiff so without fingernails, you may find yourself scrolling off of the point you want to click on before the click actually happens. The power button has been relocated to coincide with the red hangup key now, which is mildly convenient in some ways, but I always used the old power button [on Dash1] for a single press to bring up the menu allowing you to hit various settings, or change the profile in a pinch. I miss this menu but may find it hidden somewhere, as I've only been using the new Dash for about a week. (I HAVE looked, but can't find it, yet).
In addition to the camera and messaging buttons on the bottom right, they have a shortcut key. The email button is nice, but the sliding panel interface already made it very easy to get to messaging for me, so I never used it. The shortcut key is also very nice, though the selection list for what you can assign to it was left lacking. They should allow you to link it to any program, instead of the static list.
The updated camera is much improved. It takes reasonably high resolution photos and video, despite some phones offering even higher resolution than 2.0 megapixels. Those taking high resolution for the purpose of printing out will be using their REAL cameras, anyway. I'm definitely disappointed that they didn't add a flash to the camera, but that's likely due to a lack of real estate, because this phone is in general pretty compact and thin. Adjusting the brightness setting didn't seem to help much, either. Bring your real camera when you have a function, or you'll be disappointed with the images -- but for those impromptu snaps, it gets the job done - and well.
I found that The processor is faster, and helps things along quite a bit. I used OMAP clock at 240MHz on my old dash, and this one easily surpasses it in typical operational speed. Also, when viewing video clips, they are much smoother and skip less, though it still doesn't play streamed video clips nearly as smoothly as the much older iPhone. Expect mildly choppy video streams from Youtube or the like. I did allow full download before playing, so it was not related to connection speed. Opening PDF images and Office documents is definitely much improved and it takes less time to open and scroll through them. I'd say a win here for speed - but they still need to either optimize media content abilities or beef up the processor even more. I have to say I was definitely disappointed, as I was really looking forward to watching smoother streaming content online.
The sound quality is definitely improved, especially when using speaker phone. I still think it's weird that there is a downward-firing speaker but that's just a quirky thing I suppose. Volume was not only more clear, but louder as well. I had to turn my old Dash1 to the highest to hear clearly, and on the Dash3G I set it at about 80% volume level in most cases. They made larger openings in the case for the speakers which may be cosmetic but I believe they are also functional.
The battery cover is a single snap-on unit now, instead of the old slide-off design. While it does give a nice impression of being more refined, those that regularly swap batteries/memory cards or have to remove/replace due to Windows Mobile lock-ups will get annoyed and it will surely wear out much faster because it uses little tabs to snap into place.
GPS functionality is added to the new Dash3G! Awesome, I've been longing for this for quite some time, often jealous of my friends' iPhones and G1s that included this ability. I have a portable GPS, but I don't always drive my own car, especially in Boston, where the commuter bus and train are so convenient. Kudos to HTC for adding this ability to our beloved Dash!
Volume control also gets a thumbs up, as they have gotten rid of that crappy touch-sensitive "jogger" strip from the old phone and replaced it with buttons on the left side. First, moving it to the left side was a good idea because for the majority of people, it places the buttons conveniently for right-handed use of the fingertips. Second, those random changes of your volume while in a call with a single touch of your ear lobe is eliminated.
I am a bit upset, and you may be, too. The new DASH 3G does NOT include a belt clip. Instead, you get a simple leather pouch that is more appropriate for women with purses. This is a business phone, and the huge majority of users are undoubtedly going to be professional men, due to it's more masculine design and also it's business-oriented functionality.
Overall, I'd say it's a win in the hardware category for the new Dash 3G.
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HTC DASH 3G software review
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Software review:
HORRIBLE! As stated, on the old Dash1, I have been using the XDA-Developers ROM image for quite some time, and LOVE all the features and functionality available. There are a lot of gripes [and a few good things] with the T-Mobile ROM but overall it's a FAIL!
NO IMAGE EDITING! (WTF!?) That's right! You can't crop, resize, or rotate your images any more, a function that has been available since 2006 and WM5!! A 2nd level T-Mobile support rep was even baffled on this one, as we spent more than 30 minutes poking and prodding around to find where it could be done. I used to have a nice cropped image of my sexy girlfriend on the home screen. Now I just have her face. That means that 1. You can't edit a photo before sending to someone and 2. Taking a picture and then applying as your wallpaper requires a PC with Activesync so you can a) copy the image to the PC, b) edit it to 320x240 size, etc c) copy back to phone, and then d) set your wallpaper. RIDICULOUS!
NO MORE ICS (Internet Connection Sharing/tethering to PC) They have chosen not to include the ability to tether your phone to a PC, so you can't take advantage of the 3G data rate and browse on your laptop, with datacable, bluetooth or whatever. This is a big deal for me, as I am often on the road and make regular use of ICS to get things done on my laptop.
Telenav requires a monthly fee of $10 just to use GPS, hell no! This is a big disappointment. Call me cheap, but I don't feel I should have to pay monthly just to use GPS navigation, especially considering the GPS service is free (don't count your taxes). It's just a program that interprets the maps and calculates a route. Charging a small fee to register the program is reasonable, but a monthly recurring charge? That's preposterous. They did have the decency to include Google Maps, however, which redeems this issue thankfully. It works pretty well and despite my pissy attitude towards the Telenav nonsense, I'm happy to say that you can now use GPS on your dash!
They now group text and multimedia messaging together. This can be a blessing and a curse. It's nice because you don't have to manage multiple locations when cleaning up your sent/inbox/deleted items. It's troublesome because if you want to clean out your regular text messages guess what? You will end up deleting all the media messages at the same time, which at least in my case, I keep the media messages and just clean out my text messages regularly.
No inclusion of an Internet-based backup. I thought it was awesome that Verizon included the ability to backup and restore your contact list to the Internet, and also view that list through your online account. T-Mobile still doesn't include this ability, which is pretty sad in my opinion. You can use Microsoft's free MyPhone application to do this, but only if you're not connected to an Exchange server. I am using MyPhone, but can't backup my contact list online because I'm connected to an Exchange server. They should allow you to at least backup your SIM contacts, because many [including myself] use the phone for business and personal.
T-Mobile added an application that allows you to manage your account straight from the start menu. I found this be be very cool, and many will definitely enjoy it's usefulness, especially those that aren't on an unlimited plan and have to keep an eye on their usage and charges.
The problems with the T-Mobile release of WM6.1 are sufficient that I will be returning the Dash3G and sticking with my old one. The lack of [and simply removed] functionality is definitely not worth the extra speed. I really need the extra speed boost, especially for the many attachments I get as an IT Manager, but I can't get over all the shortcomings. I will keep the phone until this coming weekend, which will be just inside of my 14 day painless return period (you can return within 30 days, but they make you jump through legal hoops and become an ass hole to do it).
Finally, I would like to add that it is my firm wishes that XDA-Developers can come up with a Dash3G version of the wonderful Dash1 ROM image they made famous, and with which made undoubtedly thousands completely addicted to the Dash (not to mention saving them tons of money because of all the great features and applications included). PLEASE, if it's not trouble to convert the old ROM to be used with the new hardware DO IT! You'll have my complete gratitude.
I hope this is useful to some. Thanks from Justin Chandler.
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NO IMAGE EDITING! (WTF!?) That's right! You can't crop, resize, or rotate your images any more, a function that has been available since 2006 and WM5!! A 2nd level T-Mobile support rep was even baffled on this one, as we spent more than 30 minutes poking and prodding around to find where it could be done. I used to have a nice cropped image of my sexy girlfriend on the home screen. Now I just have her face. That means that 1. You can't edit a photo before sending to someone and 2. Taking a picture and then applying as your wallpaper requires a PC with Activesync so you can a) copy the image to the PC, b) edit it to 320x240 size, etc c) copy back to phone, and then d) set your wallpaper. RIDICULOUS!
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Actually, you CAN edit on the Dash 3G--but it's really not obvious and I don't recall seeing this in the manual. Use the Sliding Panels Media home screen layout, then go to the My Pictures panel and press the trackball. You get the old Pictures and Videos app, which allows editing!
I think there is already a D3g ROM out here on xda in the maple forum.
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I think there is already a D3g ROM out here on xda in the maple forum.
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Ookba has released a HTC Maple rom, and it's stable working almost as well as his current dash rom. but other than that there isn't too too much stuff over on the forums yet. Ive been meaning to go check things out but once I got my dash 3g its sat in the fricking box waiting till the time is right..
Hey guys.
Strange post perhaps, but Iv always loved my HTC Devices.
So tomorrow my Touch Pro 2 will arrive, when I told my friends this and showed them the pictures. They laughed and said I was just fighting against getting an Iphone.
I believe I have made an informed decision, mostly because I can choose what hardware I want, (in this case a proper keyboard and bigger screen). And also because I can use so many free apps for WM6.1 that the iphone users have to pay for.
So please can you give me some more ammunition so that I can stop losing the arguments about why the iphone fails. Cheers.
Find new friends with better taste in phones?
You cant really use the bigger screen size argument. Just a beautiful input device and ability to customize it to the hilt.
Well there's always the 1 step behind the times arguement...I mean Iphones aren't as hi-tech as many of HTC's phones...oh...and you can change your batteries or add memory with cards...
I mean Iphones aren't as hi-tech as many of HTC's phones.
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You are getting confused with almost any manufacturer apart from HTC.
Iphones can't multitask, not even the new ones.
The screen isn't as "responsive" as the iphone, but you can use a stylus for precision (like making a doodle with the stylus ) and if you live in a cold climate, you can wear gloves and still use your phone. With capacitive screens like the iphone you gave to take your gloves off. Really annoying if you use them.
You don't have to jailbreak it to get many of the things working. And supposedly flash is coming to Windows Mobile first if I remember correctly (by first I mean before the iphone).
You can use it with any network you want (if it's unlocked) and if it's a branded version, you can unlock it without fear of bricking it after an upgrade.
That's just what comes to mind.
Oh, the screen is .1 inches bigger. Not really enough to make an arguement. But it does have more than twice the resolution, which is a goodo point as images can be clearer and reading texts won't tire your eyes as much.
Why do you care what your friends think?
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Why do you care what your friends think?
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Because I constantly seek validation and enjoy being right? Im not an armchair psychologist.
I can't stand the smugness of the iphone user trying to shove the latest nose flute app in my face, "do you have Excel?" I ask.
"Yes" replies the iphone user as they connect to the apps store and pay £15 for the most essential of software on a business phone.
I think my biggest reason for liking the touch pro 2 is that it just looks stunning with the screen on. Everyone has seen the iphone now, and I like to be different.
Cheers for the replies guys.
Yes, there are just too many iPhones on the street - no "WOW" factor these days. I find the pro2 can turn quite a few heads, especially when I pull out the keyboard and start typing... mind you, someone asked me once where I bought my iPhone with a keyboard!!
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Hey guys.
Strange post perhaps, but Iv always loved my HTC Devices.
So tomorrow my Touch Pro 2 will arrive, when I told my friends this and showed them the pictures. They laughed and said I was just fighting against getting an Iphone.
I believe I have made an informed decision, mostly because I can choose what hardware I want, (in this case a proper keyboard and bigger screen). And also because I can use so many free apps for WM6.1 that the iphone users have to pay for.
So please can you give me some more ammunition so that I can stop losing the arguments about why the iphone fails. Cheers.
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To not mention again read here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537219&highlight=iphone
The IPhone is too common. It also means you surrender too much rights to Apple. They control what you should use. They ignore you and work at their decided schedule. "Cut and paste" is a new feature -- only idiots will believe that.
"There is no vulnerability." -- between Iphone 3G and 3GS, Apple plugged 48 holes.
The battery overheats fast. The screen wears out fast. The material used to maufacture the IPhone is cheap stuff.
IPhone is totally hopeless without connectivity. At the least, TP2 can still be useful.
The famous Appstore! -- How many apps do you really use? Many of the apps are "fractured" because Apple does not allow the developers to add in some features for fear of opening up their closed ecology.
You need more?
Agree with above that the App Store is overrated. I have an iPod Touch, and I have about 2 or 3 useful 3rd party apps. Everything else are just time wasters.
I have a couple reasons why I wouldn't buy an fruitphone.
1. Useless homescreen. The lockscreen shows the date/time. Once unlocked, you just have grids of icons. You have counters that show number of new messages, but no previews. Notifications of new messages and appointments really suck.
2. Terrible multi tasking. Let's say I was wasting my time with a game on my fruitphone while listening to music. You can forward or rewind tracks by double pressing the one button to bring up the music controls. But you can't go into the music app to change your music and go back to the game! That's just dumb.
3. Internet browsing. You can't open links in new tabs! No text reflow. That means you have to use landscape mode if you want to zoom in to read the text and you don't want to scroll horizontally. Also, no full screen view in browser. You always have the top/bottom bars.
4. Low resolution display. Text can't easily be read in zoomed out web pages. Photos look terribly pixelated.
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Hey guys.
So tomorrow my Touch Pro 2 will arrive, when I told my friends this and showed them the pictures. They laughed and said I was just fighting against getting an Iphone.
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Why do you have sheeps as friends...
People have posted some really good points on this thread like TP2 can
- multitask apps
- a monster text machine
- a monster email machine
- a full keyboard
- two mics with noise cancelling abilities
- two speakers for better loudspeaker calls
- better wvga screen (better resolution screen)
- Touch flow 3d is so so smooth(people friendly)
- excellent notifications screen
- better calling options
- better word processor apps like power point, word, excel
- a crap crap crap load of more software for Wndows mobile than iphone will ever have
-the device looks better IMO
But you cant really fault the iphone that much. It is a very pretty with better processor, same ram, bigger onboard harddrive, 3.5mm jack. The OS for both devices are totally different. But in all honesty WM is better than iphone OS BUT Android is better than WM and IS the future of the mobile phone generation....FYI
I agree with the above post. Check out the N900 phone too, its OS is a pseudo linux desktop and its mobile front is very finger friendly looking at youtube.
I am looking at the TP2 myself despite having an iphone. The iphone isn't a very good organizer partly because of its notification/background app. problem, I still haven't got used to the soft keyboard on a 3.5'' device after a year of use - hinders alot of communication and productivity for me personally, the resolution of the screen affects my PDF reading and the lack of bluetooth signalling stops me adding mice/keyboards.
This forum also offers a lot of ROM's too. Although there is a lot to be said for the iphone (its best software comes supplied and the rest can easily be downloaded from the appstore/cydia mostly for free or next to nothing) and no doubt I will have to encounter the same annoyances i had with my touch diamond/kaiser back in Winmo land. I have no doubt for most leisure users who have mastered the soft iphone keyboard that its probably the most fun and beneficial phone for them though.
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To not mention again read here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537219&highlight=iphone
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yes, who could forget about a good ol' fashioned IPhone bashing thread.
you shouldn't let others opinions have an effect on what you want. different strokes for different folks. it's not like either the Tp2 or the IPhone are bad phones.
yes, you can make fun of them for not having the ability to multitask, not being able to sideload applications, interchangeable batteries etc.
just remember it's not wise to throw stones from a glass house.
just ask your friend to change something on your phone, then you do it...tell them to type something, then you type it, ask them what ap they have, then you go get it for free...I do it ALL DAY to my friends that have it, they hate pulling their iphones out now lol. The best is "can you tether? Yeah! For free? AH!!! YOUR PHONE IS CRAP! lol HTC wins. BUT............the iPhone does kill every other device in UI processing, hands down which IMO is a HUGE player in satisfaction. If you can do with 10-30fps UI, HTC with TF3D would be the better choice.
a huge issue for me was free internet tethering. I think with the new 3GS you can do this - but it costs an EXTRA £14.95 per month to O2 for the lowest deal! What a ripoff. That and the pull out keyboard are prob the main things for me.
There's an article at MSN that may be helpful....
Also, the Iphone loudspeaker is so-so despite calling itself a media machine.
The resolution is horrid.
The sound from the headphone is soft.
Voice command from BT definitely not working.
How do I know all these, I own a Iphone 3GS. Why don't I get rid of it? Too ashame to sell it to someone and have him curse me for selling him a lemon (despite it namesake).
I don't think so. Though I am experiencing and seeing a lot of mixed results for myself and other users.
Considering that this phone seems to need quite a lot of tweaking in order to make it work reasonably, who other than XDA geeks would want to be bothered with it.
Personally I love the phone, mine AT&T Tilt 2.
Yet as a user I am constantly annoyed with issues regarding default browsers, both Opera 9.5 and IE 6 are very slow loading AT&T's default home page. Issues with these browsers rendering AT&T Yahoo Email in a format other than WAP viewing, which renders in text only format, making HTML email useless.
I am a geek just like most of us. I can and have found some work around for a lot of things.
Still, I bought this phone to use it, not to F... with it.
I am having a very hard time finding a decent case for it, seems that case makers have no interest in producing cases for it.
Maybe the hate AT&T culture is catching up to it.
Why? Because of iPhone?
Sorry for venting so loud, I am just fed up.
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I have noticed some hang ups. I think if you have a scheduled reset for every other night it will help. I mean this is a computer, how many of us run a computer all day everyday without restart?
Opera 10 beta is out and there are a lot of little tweaks that can really help with performance. If you wanted a phone for the purpose of having a phone there are plenty of others out there that will do the job just as well, if not better.
I think they should change the name of the at&t store to the at&t~Iphone store. Heck, if you go to the kiosk, it even says "to buy an iphone, press here".
You can't go 5 feet inside one of those stores without seeing something related to the iPhone.
At&t sold its soul for the iPhone, and like Motorola did with the Razr, they stopped innovating.
^^ so true i knew a few people that used to work for att they got more of a commision if they sold an iphone compared to another branded phone
I love my Tilt 2. It does require a lot of tweaking to make it really hum, but once that's out of the way, it is a really great phone. You'd never know it from walking into an AT&T store - the ones I've been in have it buried in the back.
I think the Seidio spring-clip holster is a good case. Seidio makes high-quality stuff and the face-in design keeps the screen protected.
As for the slow browsing speeds, did you do the data speed fix? It makes a huge difference.
Don't get me wrong on this.
I believe that the Tilt 2 is a great computer/pda/phone in one package. In that order.
What I am trying to get at is other than we XDA geeks who might want to flash roms etc, who would have the patience or even know what to do.
I have looked at many posts regarding TP2 and Tilt 2.
This and other Rhodium variations should be easy to use by the average user.
Otherwise they will fail.
I work every day in an IT/Telecom environment for many years.
Most of the time when I speak to users that they are needing to make changes to their browser settings because an update to Internet Explorer has disabled a particular function, or whatever causes their eyes to glaze over due to non-comprehension of what I am talking about.
With a phone, why does it have to be so hard for it to work reasonably well without any intervention of common users.
That is where currently WinMo phones get into trouble in the market place.
They work great for geeks who have the time patience to tweak them.
Personally, I would rather be doing something else than making tweaking my phone another part of my career.
This is more than likely not to be the forum to be posting to as, the original poster is likely to be flamed by more senior posters.
Kind of cranky being a WinMo user before they became phones and called a junior member.
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Mainstream vendors of accessories such as cases have no intention of producing cases for Tilt 2. Seidio No. Body Glove No.
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Don't get me wrong on this.
I believe that the Tilt 2 is a great computer/pda/phone in one package. In that order.
What I am trying to get at is other than we XDA geeks who might want to flash roms etc, who would have the patience or even know what to do.
I have looked at many posts regarding TP2 and Tilt 2.
This and other Rhodium variations should be easy to use by the average user.
Otherwise they will fail.
I work every day in an IT/Telecom environment for many years.
Most of the time when I speak to users that they are needing to make changes to their browser settings because an update to Internet Explorer has disabled a particular function, or whatever causes their eyes to glaze over due to non-comprehension of what I am talking about.
With a phone, why does it have to be so hard for it to work reasonably well without any intervention of common users.
That is where currently WinMo phones get into trouble in the market place.
They work great for geeks who have the time patience to tweak them.
Personally, I would rather be doing something else than making tweaking my phone another part of my career.
This is more than likely not to be the forum to be posting to as, the original poster is likely to be flamed by more senior posters.
Kind of cranky being a WinMo user before they became phones and called a junior member.
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Who are you complaining to here? Yourself? It's not really clear.
The iPhone and Tilt 2 are targeted at different market segments. The iPhone is a consumer device - it's a prettied-up dumbphone with a unique user experience that gets the benefit of AT&T pushing it over all other devices and prioritizing network traffic for it over all other devices.
The Tilt 2 is targeted at the business segment. It's unfortunate that AT&T "cripples" some functionality out of the box but, even fully featured, it's never going to sell in iPhone-like numbers. It's largely a phone for a power user.
And there are cases for the Touch Pro 2 / Tilt 2: http://www.seidioonline.com/category-s/3775.htm
It should be pretty clear what I am complaining about. It is that the phone is set up in a way which makes a difficult user experience.
I work with business users daily as an IT consultant.
Most of the every day users have no interest in tweaking anything.
Who I am complaining to is pretty much up to who responds, in what way.
I have researched many topics in this fora about cases, and have found very few vendors who are offering cases for the Tilt 2.
Thank you for flaming in a reasonably respectful way.
I can't speak for the Tilt2 since I don't have it. But I do have an unlocked European Touch Pro2. The out-of-the-box experience was quite nice for me. The stock WinMo 6.1 ROM performance was excellent. It was possible to handle most tasks within the HTC Sense environment, such that noobs often don't need to go into the WinMo interface. So perhaps it's AT&T who messed up your device?
A lot of the bugs are introduced because ppl want the latest WinMo build or they want the latest version of Sense. So it's good that we at least have an option to do so.
Btw, I didn't think dwboston's post was flaming. Let's try to keep things nice. If you were offended, I'll apologize on his behalf
Often in telecom, if there is a circuit in question we will disconnect the circuit to see who itches or *****es.
Think a nerve was struck back there.
Are these devices produced only to stoke the ego of those who would say, "See what I can do with mine, can you do this?"
In order for any WinMo device to succeed it should be extremely functional, which it is, and reasonably easy for the average user to like.
Which it isn't.
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In order for any WinMo device to succeed it should be extremely functional, which it is, and reasonably easy for the average user to like.
Which it isn't.
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Yup, this is currently the nature of WinMo. It's has the most functionality of all smartphone platforms. Yet, it's ugly and fairly unstable.
We're all looking forward to WinMo 7 to address this.
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I have noticed some hang ups. I think if you have a scheduled reset for every other night it will help. I mean this is a computer, how many of us run a computer all day everyday without restart?
Opera 10 beta is out and there are a lot of little tweaks that can really help with performance. If you wanted a phone for the purpose of having a phone there are plenty of others out there that will do the job just as well, if not better.
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My computer running Windows 7 has been up for 23 days no problem. The only reason it was restarted is because I moved it. Otherwise, it only gets restarted when there is a Windows Update the requires a restart. I have gone over 2 months without a restart before.
But that is no comparison. Windows Mobile is buggy and unstable. Everyone should recognize that. I have been using it for 6 years and never have I had a device that didn't need restarts unless I am using it for the most extremely basic tasks (messaging, calling).
Windows Mobile 7 better fix this and everything else with Windows Mobile or I'm jumping ship to Android.
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My computer running Windows 7 has been up for 23 days no problem. The only reason it was restarted is because I moved it. Otherwise, it only gets restarted when there is a Windows Update the requires a restart. I have gone over 2 months without a restart before.
But that is no comparison. Windows Mobile is buggy and unstable. Everyone should recognize that. I have been using it for 6 years and never have I had a device that didn't need restarts unless I am using it for the most extremely basic tasks (messaging, calling).
Windows Mobile 7 better fix this and everything else with Windows Mobile or I'm jumping ship to Android.
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Truer words have never been spoken...
I'm still on Windows XP at home, and I never shut down or reboot unless it's a software/update installation requires it. When I sleep or leave, I put it on standby.
With WinMo, I have a software that automatically schedules daily soft-resets for me. The TP2 is actually better than other WinMo devices I've used in that it can actually survive about 3 or 4 days until it slows to a crawl. But I'd rather have it freshly booted waiting for me every morning.
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My computer running Windows 7 has been up for 23 days no problem. The only reason it was restarted is because I moved it. Otherwise, it only gets restarted when there is a Windows Update the requires a restart. I have gone over 2 months without a restart before.
But that is no comparison. Windows Mobile is buggy and unstable. Everyone should recognize that. I have been using it for 6 years and never have I had a device that didn't need restarts unless I am using it for the most extremely basic tasks (messaging, calling).
Windows Mobile 7 better fix this and everything else with Windows Mobile or I'm jumping ship to Android.
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Are you talking about basic computing (web browsing, email, music) or cpu/memory intensive applications?
Try running photoshop day in day out without restarting and you start to experience little hang ups etc. Our phone is basically processing at 50%+ at all times, try throwing that at your CPU and seeing how long it can stay on for.
Seriously now, I understand we can literally leave our computers on for days, but having it actually use 50% memory and 50% cpu at all times is different than letting it sit idle and using 5% or less for web browsing etc.
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Are you talking about basic computing (web browsing, email, music) or cpu/memory intensive applications?
Try running photoshop day in day out without restarting and you start to experience little hang ups etc. Our phone is basically processing at 50%+ at all times, try throwing that at your CPU and seeing how long it can stay on for.
Seriously now, I understand we can literally leave our computers on for days, but having it actually use 50% memory and 50% cpu at all times is different than letting it sit idle and using 5% or less for web browsing etc.
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The reality is, WinMo is a crappy OS. There's no debating that. What load a processor sees should have little/nothing to do with the STABILITY of an OS. Many servers that see very high loads often aren't rebooted for months or years. I think winmo/crappy drivers/crappy software on top of winmo are like the culprit. It's everything.
I've not used Android phones too much, but things certainly seem to "just work" better (I'm a linux fan personally). There's little question that winmo is getting left in the dust by android, and personally winmo 7 may be too little too late. I have a touch pro now, and am looking to switch to the tilt 2.. It has crossed my mind about getting an iphone, but the damn thing is too "locked down" for my taste..
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... It has crossed my mind about getting an iphone, but the damn thing is too "locked down" for my taste..
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ah-HA!! I think you have summed up the quandry that creates threads like this in the first place...there is no mobile platform that can be everyTHING that everyBODY wants/needs. You do your research first, and pick the OS that seems to fit YOU the best.
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As for the slow browsing speeds, did you do the data speed fix? It makes a huge difference.
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Could somebody provide a link to the data speed fix dwboston is referring to? I'd been looking for that anyway...thanks in advance!
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Could somebody provide a link to the data speed fix dwboston is referring to? I'd been looking for that anyway...thanks in advance!
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forum . xda-developers . com/showthread.php?t=584409
Sweet, thanks! Now if I'd only realized before I asked that this would be specific to the AT&T model, duh!
*facepalm*
I think that HOX will be last phone from HTC. I was around 3 years with this brand. And is started to be annoyed. Why I don't take anymore HTC:
1. They don't improve performance
2. They do update just for one year
3. Phone is heating when you doing simple tasks, like web browsing. So when phone is heating so it drain battery.
4. Is hard to replace battery or open phone.
5. Where not a lot accessories
6. Gorilla screen brakes so easy and if brakes, touch screan doesn't work
7. Plenty app which I don't use and this apps drains battery. You can't remove it
8. Where no online service, like HTC sence
9. Usb socket is in wrong position. Isn't comfortable
10. Where is no many future comparing with samsung s4. Like eye tracking, like answer call with hand wave.
11. Phone unlock itself even then you have pin lock
12. Sometimes phone shutdown when is in pocket.
Main thing why I started hate this phone, they add some apps, small futures which I don't use and they don't improve OS performance. I mean HTC sence performance.
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Robotukas said:
I think that HOX will be last phone from HTC. I was around 3 years with this phone. And is started to be annoyed. Why I don't take anymoy HTC:
1. They don't improve performance
2. They do update just for one year
3. Phone is heating when you doing simple tasks, like web browsing. So when phone is heating so it drain battery.
4. Is hard to replace battery or open phone.
5. Where not a lot accessories
6. Gorilla screen brakes so easy and if brakes, touch screan doesn't work
7. Plenty app which I don't use and this apps drains battery. You can't remove it
8. Where no online service, like HTC sence
9. Usb socket is in wrong position. Isn't comfortable
10. Where is no many future comparing with samsung s4. Like eye tracking, like answer call with hand wave.
11. Phone unlock itself even then you have pin lock
12. Sometimes phone shutdown when is in pocket.
Main thing why I started hate this phone, they add some apps, small futures which I don't use and they don't improve OS performance. I mean HTC sence performance.
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For me this points are really useless points.
I just ask a question. Do you even want to control your phone with your eye?
Or want a laggy TW?
May only the updates is really slow, but nothing other.
Samsung in your hand feel like a plastic toy phone. The HTC in your hand feel like a boss.
So I think this ponit are only matters for children. Sorry, but this is true.
The only bad ponit for HOX or other HTC phones is the support.
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Good to know, every phone is for that person that wants it.
If you don't want it, don't use it.
Not everybody drives Mercedes because it is not made for everyone.
Have a nice day.
Is not that thing that I mean. Read carefully. Samsung is improving hardware and OS. They do updates even for 2 years older phones. Samsung S4 use less RAM (like 200 MB) than HOX. So I want pay money for work and ideas. But not for ideas which make phone don't last and which doesn't work properly.
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miHah said:
Good to know, every phone is for that person that wants it.
If you don't want it, don't use it.
Not everybody drives Mercedes because it is not made for everyone.
Have a nice day.
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Of course I agree. Thing that I discovered, that I was using HTC products for more than 2 years. But I didn't see that phone is getting better. Plus, they made some restrictions. I thought that I can use in business and for casual. But I can see, I can give this phone to child, where he can play with phone and always keep charging. If I will start use all HTC futeres, so I need a battery bank. Do you buy car which 40 litres petrol for 50 miles? When you can buy better car and it uses less petrol.
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miHah said:
Good to know, every phone is for that person that wants it.
If you don't want it, don't use it.
Not everybody drives Mercedes because it is not made for everyone.
Have a nice day.
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One thing about me. I like technologies and I like watch how they progress. In beginning HTC made a lot good stuff, but for now I don't see advantages.
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Robotukas said:
Of course I agree. Thing that I discovered, that I was using HTC products for more than 2 years. But I didn't see that phone is getting better. Plus, they made some restrictions. I thought that I can use in business and for casual. But I can see, I can give this phone to child, where he can play with phone and always keep charging. If I will start use all HTC futeres, so I need a battery bank. Do you buy car which 40 litres petrol for 50 miles? When you can buy better car and it uses less petrol.
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I don't really know what you are talking about
If you think you will be happier with Samsung or any other phone, go ahead. I am not here to stop you.
All I want to say is: good luck with some other phone than HTC and I hope battery will last longer for you and you will be pleased to use gestures on your phone. It is not like any major science or usability about that for me. I could download software that is similar but why? I am pleased with what my phone can do and there is nothing about other phones that can do something completely new that would blow my mind.
About the cars.. than on your opinion Fiat 500 (or something you like) is better than ..lets say.. Aston Martin Vanquish? Because it uses less petrol?
It is ok if you think so, but people have different opinions about everything. Have that in mind!
Have a nice day deciding what to do next
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Is not that thing that I mean. Read carefully. Samsung is improving hardware and OS. They do updates even for 2 years older phones. Samsung S4 use less RAM (like 200 MB) than HOX. So I want pay money for work and ideas. But not for ideas which make phone don't last and which doesn't work properly.
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Yea, and HOX and S4 are made at exact same time and are both same years devices? Ofcourse there are differences! What would be the point having multiple high-end phone brands if all were the same.
I also don't want HTC next time round, but not for these reasons.
My reasons:
1 - They shut down dev's for no reason
2 - They shut down dev's site with no warning and stump the community
3 - They don't care about customers
4 - They LIE to customers
5 - They replace parts under warranty with generic crappy alternatives and hope the customer doesn't realize
I could go on, but I'll leave it there.
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Is not that thing that I mean. Read carefully. Samsung is improving hardware and OS. They do updates even for 2 years older phones. Samsung S4 use less RAM (like 200 MB) than HOX. So I want pay money for work and ideas. But not for ideas which make phone don't last and which doesn't work properly.
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Yeah, the HTC not improve OS and hardware. That's why we get the 4.2.2 soon..
Btw, why do you compare the s4 and the HOX?
Compare s4 and One or s3 and HOX.
The ponit which I said is, the Samsung just improve features which looks good in the commercial and not a real life useable features.
In HTC Sense there are a lot of usable features, and don't forget this is one of the (if its not the) best skins. Not like a TW which lagg all day.
Yeah, the Samsung improve the OS more. But for why? Place useless features for why?
For people ,like you. Want to buy an S4 more than One.
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I also don't want HTC next time round, but not for these reasons.
My reasons:
1 - They shut down dev's for no reason
2 - They shut down dev's site with no warning and stump the community
3 - They don't care about customers
4 - They LIE to customers
5 - They replace parts under warranty with generic crappy alternatives and hope the customer doesn't realize
I could go on, but I'll leave it there.
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1,2 - Are you talking about http://www.htcdev.com/ ?
3 - They do care about us. I had a problem with many of my phones and got the support every time I wanted.
4 - They did not lie about anything to me
5 - I worked at official HTC service center and I really can't agree with you
As I said, every person has its own opinion. Everything you said I believe you. That is Life and "life-experience" and you will act regarding to what you think and want at that time.
I hope you will have better experience with some other brand
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1,2 - Are you talking about http://www.htcdev.com/ ?
3 - They do care about us. I had a problem with many of my phones and got the support every time I wanted.
4 - They did not lie about anything to me
5 - I worked at official HTC service center and I really can't agree with you
As I said, every person has its own opinion. Everything you said I believe you. That is Life and "life-experience" and you will act regarding to what you think and want at that time.
I hope you will have better experience with some other brand
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1,2 - No I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about RUU Sharing sites, and Personal dev sites that they shut down without warning and for no reason.
3 - No they don't, they'll replace it for you because thats what they have to do as statutory law.
4 - They lie about more than you'll know, you just have to find it. Have a quick Google and you'll see a vast array of people complaining that they've been given generic parts sub-par standard to originals, which they can't deny as part numbers don't lie.
5 - This is why you're sticking up for them, you have personal/emotional ties to their service centers.
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1,2 - No I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about RUU Sharing sites, and Personal dev sites that they shut down without warning and for no reason.
3 - No they don't, they'll replace it for you because thats what they have to do as statutory law.
4 - They lie about more than you'll know, you just have to find it. Have a quick Google and you'll see a vast array of people complaining that they've been given generic parts sub-par standard to originals, which they can't deny as part numbers don't lie.
5 - This is why you're sticking up for them, you have personal/emotional ties to their service centers.
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As I said, everyone has his own point of view.
It is not like i'm emotionally attached to service center at all. From users point of view I never had any problems with HTC.
I am sorry to hear about your poor experience. Are you a developer and HTC did something to you that hurt your feelings? Too bad. Go get Samsung than, maybe they will treat you better.
About HTC in my opinion: small company that makes awesome phones (design and SW) in comparison to "mainstream" and "boring" big companies like Apple and Samsung. That is why I like them - they are not afraid of changing things, design and everything. They are struggling but they are still donating money (http://www.letsgomobile.org/en/3488/china-sichuan-earthquake-donation/ AND http://www.slashgear.com/htc-chairw...ts-to-young-women-in-southeast-asia-28279650/). That makes me feel like I am part of something good and although all companies have their lacks and you have to choose between all of them..I choose HTC.
You can choose among others. And I hope you will be satisfied
Now I only said one thing.
If you are not pleased with the premium materials for body. ( so you want a plastic toy phone). And you all the time want the brand to lick your a.ss. Just go to the Samsung, they will do. The HTC not, for why? Because this phones not need to be upgraded. Yes it's good if its upgraded, but not needed because this phones are awesome for now and for many years with stock system.
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Robotukas said:
I think that HOX will be last phone from HTC. I was around 3 years with this brand. And is started to be annoyed. Why I don't take anymore HTC:
1. They don't improve performance
2. They do update just for one year
3. Phone is heating when you doing simple tasks, like web browsing. So when phone is heating so it drain battery.
4. Is hard to replace battery or open phone.
5. Where not a lot accessories
6. Gorilla screen brakes so easy and if brakes, touch screan doesn't work
7. Plenty app which I don't use and this apps drains battery. You can't remove it
8. Where no online service, like HTC sence
9. Usb socket is in wrong position. Isn't comfortable
10. Where is no many future comparing with samsung s4. Like eye tracking, like answer call with hand wave.
11. Phone unlock itself even then you have pin lock
12. Sometimes phone shutdown when is in pocket.
Main thing why I started hate this phone, they add some apps, small futures which I don't use and they don't improve OS performance. I mean HTC sence performance.
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This is my answer for you:
1. They don't improve performance - Better performance than Samsung, LG and Sony (Tested)
2. They do update just for one year - that's not true, HOX have more than a year in market whit many updates and coming more
3. Phone is heating when you doing simple tasks, like web browsing. So when phone is heating so it drain battery. - My hox is cool like my frezeer doing everything.
4. Is hard to replace battery or open phone. - new Google politics, and others like sony are doing the same.
5. Where not a lot accessories - there is the necesary accessories, what they don't have?
6. Gorilla screen brakes so easy and if brakes, touch screan doesn't work - Hox is a very resistive phone, much than samsung and iPhone (I had an accident on my motorcycle and my hox went flying to the asphalt and absolutely nothing happened.)
7. Plenty app which I don't use and this apps drains battery. You can't remove it - you can remove the app you want, if you do not know how to do it is another thing.
8. Where no online service, like HTC sence - we dont need it, we have Google services and Dropbox, why more?
9. Usb socket is in wrong position. Isn't comfortable - usb socket is the right place (side), only samsung and iPhone used at the bottom of the phone
10. Where is no many future comparing with samsung s4. Like eye tracking, like answer call with hand wave. - HTC sense has many features, but points more to the social and multimedia platform, is a choice. According steven Kondik (Cyanogen) Touch wiz on the s4 seems froyo, but HTC sense 5 as more friendly, modern and pleasant to use.
11. Phone unlock itself even then you have pin lock- m8 your phone have serious problems that others dont have
12. Sometimes phone shutdown when is in pocket. - again: m8 your phone have serious problems that others dont have
to finish, if you see the reviews the Best phone at the moment is a HTC phone, The HTC One.
jamm513 said:
This is my answer for you:
1. They don't improve performance - Better performance than Samsung, LG and Sony (Tested)
2. They do update just for one year - that's not true, HOX have more than a year in market whit many updates and coming more
3. Phone is heating when you doing simple tasks, like web browsing. So when phone is heating so it drain battery. - My hox is cool like my frezeer doing everything.
4. Is hard to replace battery or open phone. - new Google politics, and others like sony are doing the same.
5. Where not a lot accessories - there is the necesary accessories, what they don't have?
6. Gorilla screen brakes so easy and if brakes, touch screan doesn't work - Hox is a very resistive phone, much than samsung and iPhone (I had an accident on my motorcycle and my hox went flying to the asphalt and absolutely nothing happened.)
7. Plenty app which I don't use and this apps drains battery. You can't remove it - you can remove the app you want, if you do not know how to do it is another thing.
8. Where no online service, like HTC sence - we dont need it, we have Google services and Dropbox, why more?
9. Usb socket is in wrong position. Isn't comfortable - usb socket is the right place (side), only samsung and iPhone used at the bottom of the phone
10. Where is no many future comparing with samsung s4. Like eye tracking, like answer call with hand wave. - HTC sense has many features, but points more to the social and multimedia platform, is a choice. According steven Kondik (Cyanogen) Touch wiz on the s4 seems froyo, but HTC sense 5 as more friendly, modern and pleasant to use.
11. Phone unlock itself even then you have pin lock- m8 your phone have serious problems that others dont have
12. Sometimes phone shutdown when is in pocket. - again: m8 your phone have serious problems that others dont have
to finish, if you see the reviews the Best phone at the moment is a HTC phone, The HTC One.
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I could not agree with ANY of this more!!! Very nicely put!
TO THE OP, have a little read around these threads and you will realize these htc hating threads are not allowed. Go and take your rants somewhere else!
see your point and that but xda isnt for ranting and crying over how much u hate htc!!! go and rant on there forums if u feel the need to. These threads p#ss me off somewhat rotten!!!! reported!
I don't see how this thread is a relavent discussion topic for the device. Thread Closed