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Bad news: there will be no ROM upgrades to Windows Mobile 5.0 for existing Windows Mobile cell phones
May 13, 2005 [General]
Distributors and operators want you to buy new phones with Windows Mobile 5.0 instead of upgrading your old phones to Windows Mobile 5.0!
Interestingly ROM images with Windows Mobile 5.0 exist for HTC Typhoon (Orange SPV C500, Audiovox SMT 5600, etc), for HTC Blue Angel and other models, but they will not be available for customers, because operators and distributors want you to buy new phones with Windows Mobile 5.0 instead of upgrading new ones...
Smartphone Thoughts news website got an information from Orange UK about Windows Mobile 5.0:
Orange is looking forward to launching the new Windows Mobile platform across a range of attractive devices in 2005. The key benefits to customers and to Orange will be an enhanced phone experience, increased customisation possibilities, as well as improved overall performance.
Florian Seiche, Director of Devices, Orange Group
We have also got information from other sources that there will be no upgrades to Windows Mobile 5.0 for existing Windows Mobile phones. The only ROM upgrades to Windows Mobile 5.0 from Windows Mobile 2003 will be available for some Pocket PC PDAs (not phones) from HP, Dell, and some other vendors.
Conclusion: don't buy any Windows Mobile phone if it is not powered by Windows Mobile 5.0 or if a vendor/distributor of given phone is not giving official promise that upgrade to Windows Mobile 5.0 will be available.
Please note: first official devices with Windows Mobile 5.0 will be available in August 2005. It's also important to notice that Windows Mobile 5.0 works also in low resolution of 176x220 and technically speaking it can work on any Windows Mobile phone
Who cares? We'll get our un-offical updates here in xda-developers anyway as usual
How are they gonna obtain the Original Rom?
vbguru613 said:
How are they gonna obtain the Original Rom?
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How did we got WM2005 or WM2003SE (more than one!) for Himalaya? How did we got WM2003SE for Wallaby? In many-many ways which will be not known probably for us
i ampraying they get the blueangel rom!!
no need to worry man...
There's no reason to worry about the rom..
BECAUSE THIS IS XDA-DEVELOPERS MAN....
we are here the best with the best!
No worries dude! everything is upgradable here in xda-developers.com 8)
I never expect to have WM2003SE on my Wallaby device, but the great guys here has made it! Many thanks to all people here in this forum
It's sad that this is the case. My blue angel rocks, and it's less than 6 months old. Thanks to xda-devs we'll get WM5 These guys rock
let not forget the xda2i... hehehe..would love to have this baby running on wm2k5
BLUEANGEL WM 2005
This forum can do anything!! This is the exclusive kickass XDA think-tank on a www.. level !!! I am confident that before it is all over with, our fellow forum members will have the WM 2005 runnig on the BlueAngel and someone might even take it a step further and probably make up a streamline (simulated) version to run on and XDA I!!
It all starts with an idea and everyone digs in and can have it solved in hours or a day at the latest. Totally freaking AMAZING!! 8) Thanks to all who have helped us all!!! :lol:
WM 5 on HTC Typhone working
Hey msmobiles.com has screenshots of a typhoon with WM 5. i would kill to get a rom on mine from that phone. It says its availible to a closed group of developers. Developers log on here!!!!!
http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/3848.html
That would be sweet.
Distributors and operators want you to buy new phones with Windows Mobile 5.0 instead of upgrading your old phones to Windows Mobile 5.0!
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Correct is all about money, BUT
as for me and my GSM SP and many other GSM SP's arround the world have their subscribers locked into a 24 month contract?
What do we do then?
I chatted to the support for iMate on www.clubimate.com last Friday and they also said there was no upgrade for the iMate 2020 PPC. In fact I was told that "testing" was not complete. Yet Dell was very quick off the mark and annonce imediately (the day after, MS annoncement) that ALL Axim X50 Handheld Family. (http://www1.us.dell.com/content/top...ce/en/2004/2005_05_10_rr_000?c=us&l=en&s=corp)
Now that is service!
Is there any Mobile 2005 version out there who will work on a Qtek 8020 (runing Windows Mobile 2003 SE)?
non of the pocketpc htc devices can share rom and smartphones use a whole different family of cpu's
so unless qtek release it or leak it then there is no big chance of getting 2005 on your device
okay, but have Microsoft released a Smartphone version of mobile 2005?
ms dont release roms for devices such as pda's or phones with ms software on them they release a basic rom to the makers of the devices and they can give them for free or chage people for them or
do nothing if they'd rather have people buying new devices with the new os on
But why are the Pocket PC version out and not the Smartphone version?
Give the poor guy Rudiger a brake, he has answered 2 of your questions, he like most of us dont have a cristal ball nor do we work for microsoft.
Want to know more about the smartphone version then read the ms web page. Ask bill. Go to a smartphone site.
You cant buy 2005 on a cd, in shop or even on a device at this moment in time.
Sorry for asking... tought the meaning of forum like this is to get answers... but maybe not here...
But it is, just sometimes you get answers that may be you dont want to read, thats also the idea of forums.
Agree! Still can't find any sites where I can find information about how to buy or download WM2005... surfed all Mobile 2005 related MS sites, without finding any information... just have to wait for a new device with preinstaled WM2005... thanks...
Microsoft only releases WM2005 to mobile phone makers (such as HTC for our devices). It is then up to each company to choose to release an update for their old phones with it or to make new phones with it.
Microsoft has nothing to do with the end user.
joamyhre said:
Is there any Mobile 2005 version out there who will work on a Qtek 8020 (runing Windows Mobile 2003 SE)?
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I have a small theory as to when the next ROM updates are going to ship.
Well since the Universal is running the WM 2005 and the SP2 for Exchange already shipped, all we are missing for the push feature is the MSFP (Messaging & Security Feature Pack). SO the OEMs are dying to win corporate users to use the universal or magician, since also the fact that Blackberry might have to stop selling in the US...
Taking all that into account I would expect that iMATE & O2 are going to wait with the release to incorporate the MSFP into the ROM. T-Mobile might also this time join since they are dying to get as much bussiness customers as possible. Here in holland the MDA PRO was available to Businesss customers 2 and a half weeks before they started selling it to consumers. I can verify that because I work as an ICT manager and I was contacted by T-Mobile rep who wanted to come and deliver me the MDA PRO the next day if I agree to take a subscription. I have refused that since we use KPN and UMTS and t-mobile has no UMTS yet. But knowing t-mobile maybe they still are going to let the chance go.
Also this is the reason the QTEK has not released their device at least here in the NL you can not get it yet it is expected in the end of November. the Qtek 9100 (magician) is already in the shops but that device is meant for consumer market. the QTEK 9000 is the business device and I think (maybe I am wrong) it will ship already with the MSFP in it. As I remember reading Microsoft should release the MSFP in the first half of November...
PLease feel free to comment critisize etc. But keep in mind this is just a theory...I might have some facts wrong!
Oh Yea I forgot Orange which is also not yet released at least here in the NL
My theory has just received a blow...
I have just seen two online stores in NL claiming to have the QTEK 9000 in stock. Although on the www.qtek.nl the device is only mentioned that it exist and further no aditional info. And this coming from the site which was the first one to post the 3D anymation of the QTEK 9100.
I have to look into this first thing monday, if they realy have them in stock.
P.S. For those interrested the two stores are:
www.smartphonestunts.nl & www.smartphoneshop.nl
I believe that all operators are waiting for MS to supply the update before they can mess it up a little then distribute it.
And it could also be that MS are holding off the release until the security pack and activesync issues are resolved.
Yea the Operators are real stupid, I mean there is ready device software why stick your own crap in there.
About the MSFP: On the dutch Pocket PC site www.pocketinfo.nl there is an offer to buy the KJAM plus a year sunscription including the push functionality. In small letters they write that for the real push functionality you have to wait for the MSFP to be released untill then the users are more then welcome to sync on schedule.
Anyhow I hope the MSFP is real close since this offer has just appeared now so I guess they know more then we do.
actually i'm thinking that the new ROMs are o their way because MS has done their homework (you cannot release only half of the package) so it's up to the HTC to finish the ROM then up to the carriers to provide it to us.
I'm afraid MS HAS done half the job, again.
MSFP is RTM as of the 4th Nov, according to my contact.
Question is, how long will it take the likes of Orange to incorporate it? Blummin long time I reckon.
F.
Is there anyone with an MSDN license ?? I beleive you could get it there
Nope, it's not on MSDN Sub Downloads.
It's got to be integrated with the providers' software (ROMs) so they only supply it to the providers. With the exception of those who were on the Windows Mobile Beta program, but if you stuck a copy of (I thinkk it's called Crossbow, the next version) on your machine most features wouldn't work I suspect!
We're at the mercy of buttholes like Orange.
F.
Well that sounds really disturbing. what if I want to deploy the feature enterprise wide. I mean I am myself an ICT Manager but our company is too small to pull a muscle but large multinationals are then also at the mercy of the operators or shall I say buttholes?
Aye, it seems that way.
Problem is, I can't get any decent info from MS about it, and Orange say that there's nobody to ask there - even the data guys, who apparently "have access to almost every system in the company", are not told about ROM updates until they're on the website!
We'll have to wait and see. As I say, I believe the MSFP went RTM last week so it might not be tooo long...
For the record, I'm an Exchange consultant and so have a vested interest in this damn push-email thing.
F.
Bad news guys ... i hope that i'm wrong.
From the Microsoft Launch of VS2005 today in Milano seems that the new features will be available only from 2006 , meaning that we can only hope for ROM updates without the security and exchange improvements.ùù
As an additional info ... the italian Jasjar is real, brought by TIM. It has the italian ROM version.
We are all waiting for this ROM for the JASJAR & belive me I am checking the site of imate three times daily!
Everyone,
Werner Ruotsalainen from Smartphone & PocketPC Magazine has agreed to do a full story on our current issues with Microsoft on their website (http://www.pocketpcmag.com)
He will also include a link to our petition against Microsoft so people that agree can help support us! (http://www.petitiononline.com/xdadevs/petition.html)
See below for details...
Comment from: Jason Wright [Visitor]
Dear Mr. Ruotsalainen,
My name is Jason Wright (better known as XDA-DEV handle: Jwrightmcps). I am contacting you today in regards to the latest issue xda-developers is having with Microsoft, which you may already be aware of.
The short of it is that MS wants XDA-Dev to remove all ROMs that contain any of their software (which means all of them, including OEM ones).
As many of us know XDA-Developers has been a great resource to the Pocket PC community years and what has always made it so, was our extensive collection of ROMs, updates and free support.
I myself have created many of these ROMs and updates for many of the devices and must say it breaks my heart that MS would be so un-thoughtful of the PPC community and harsh. We (the developers) have been picking-up where the OEMs have left off for years. If users didn’t have us as a resource the devices would not be as popular today as they are!
We (the members) have started a petition to stop MS from forcing us to delete all our work, but still need many more signatures before they will even think of re-considering. This is what I am hoping you may be able to help us with, as you have a much larger audience than we do.
Could you maybe post something about it with a link to the on-line petition, so people that agree could show their support and help us keep our great community alive?
I have included some links to the story if you would like to review it, also the link to our petition. You may also contact me directly via e-mail: xxxxxxx if you have any questions or comments.
Story:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=281
Petition:
http://www.petitiononline.com/xdadevs/petition.html
Thank you for your help.
Sincerely yours,
Jason Wright
(aka Jwrightmcps)
02/17/07 @ 02:40
Comment from: Werner Ruotsalainen [Member]
Sure I will! I've been having the flu the last few days, this is why I've stopped publishing stries or actively participating in discussions; I'll make a full story of all this, hopefully, tomorrow.
02/17/07 @ 02:45
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Source here:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/in...the_now_gps_enabled_htc&tb=1&pb=1&disp=single
(look under: "Comments, Trackbacks, Pingbacks")
Keep us alive!
-Jwrightmcps
P.S. Also a "BIG" thanks to midget_1990 for starting the petition! And thanks to Werner Ruotsalainen for picking-up the story for us!
thanks to you and to Smartphone & PocketPC Mag!
This is very good. Hope our plea would be heard by MS through this magazine. Thanks Jwright and midget to making this possible
Great stuff guys!!! Thanks for your hard work as always
i hope more members will participate and give support !
I have written to two UK based Magazines...
www.pcmag.co.uk and www.pcpro.co.uk to ask for their support too, will let you know if I hear anything.
Keep fighting guys!!!
Story is out!
Guys here is the story from Smartphone & PocketPC Magazine...
See:
http://www.pocketpcmag.com/blogs/index.php?blog=3&p=1712&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1#more1712
Take care,
-Jwrightmcps
P.S. We still need more support everyone!
I just got a reply from PC Pro magazine in UK...
Hi Simon – thanks for this. While I can’t promise any great prominence on the site or in the mag, we’re going to put something in our forums about it to try and drum up some support that way, and I’ve also flagged it to our mobile and wireless columnist.
All the best
Tim Danton
Editor, PC Pro
Will keep you posted with any further developments.
Great Job Guys !!!
at least a great start.
(Anxiously waiting for the WM6 ROM)
Read this...
O2 Asia is about to offer free Windows Mobile 6 upgrade for the Xda Atom Life! This free update will be available to all current Atom Life users, and will involve either a download from the O2 Web site or a visit to one of its service centers. The upgrade will change the operating system on the Atom Life from Windows Mobile 5.0 Pocket PC Phone Edition to Windows Mobile 6 (WM6) Professional.
Since its availability from May 12, the Atom Life will become one of the first commercially-available Windows Mobile products to sport the newer OS. Atom Life handhelds sold in stores from June onwards will also be preloaded with WM6. In comparison, Dopod, which will be acquired by HTC, will be upgrading its selected devices to WM6 in July.
O2 Atom Life will still feature its enhancements, the O2 SMS Plus and O2 MediaPlus. They have been tested on the new OS, and will still be available on the Atom Life after the upgrade. O2 added that they are currently testing WM6 on its upcoming Xda Flame (Specifications) and all of their phones which will be launched in 2007 will be opearting with WM6. The only thing left is to hear about an upgrade for the Xda Zinc and Xda Graphite soon.
Source : cnet
Im hopeful, but o2 is generally slow at this type of thing so I would not be to impatient. For my uses WM6 doesn't offer much more either. But its always nice to have the latest...
I found this while googling other sites about the flame.
"Wm5 disapointed but i made the sales person call his friend who works at the o2 shop in hong kong and he said that wm6 will be available in a month. They are still testing it and i will have an update as soon as it is released."
I don't know how realiable this is but who knows.
From this page...
http://forum.mypdacafe.com/viewtopic.php?t=13042&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=270
Hi guys,
Just got a negative reply from O2
Here goes
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:34 PM
Subject: [Case#BF19151/1] Flame - TT0 - WM6
Dear Jim,
Thank you for contacting O2 Asia Technical Support.
You may wish to be advised that O2 has recently released the Windows Mobile 6 upgrade for Xda Atom Life users. Aside from that, O2 Asia currently has no plans of providing WM6 for current models including XDA Flame. You may wish to refer time and again in the near future to www.seeo2.com for further information on the devices with Windows Mobile 6.
Please inform me of any other assistance that you may require. I wish you success in your future endeavours.
Sincerely,
Judith Taan
O2 Technical Support (Email)
Asia Pacific Region
SACODE: jutaan#
For full listing of retail outlets and information on the latest products,
please visit http://www.seeo2.com
Overall, faster and stable. Better than wm6 838pro. I use spb full keyboard, just as good as a qwert kb. Batteris bad, cannot stand for one day for normal use, also the volumn of speaker is weak that cannot always hear phone rings. hope can improve in near future. I do not need wm6 as no material difference with wm5, I do not use office in pda....
I wouldnt give up just yet fellas, I mean think about how much HTC and Dopod denied they would do WM6 ROM or even a GPS ROM for the trinity, and sure enough eventually both of those were announced etc.
Im just thinking come next month when alot more WM6 Roms roll out, O2 might jump onboard as well, whats the point of having a pretty powerful device, but being too cheap to give consumers a WM6 Rom?
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Im just thinking come next month when alot more WM6 Roms roll out, O2 might jump onboard as well, whats the point of having a pretty powerful device, but being too cheap to give consumers a WM6 Rom?
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I agree. I'm sure something like this would happen. It's pretty stupid to release such a powerful PDA with an outdated OS...
jimlau said:
Hi guys,
Just got a negative reply from O2
Here goes
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Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 4:34 PM
Subject: [Case#BF19151/1] Flame - TT0 - WM6
Dear Jim,
Thank you for contacting O2 Asia Technical Support.
You may wish to be advised that O2 has recently released the Windows Mobile 6 upgrade for Xda Atom Life users. Aside from that, O2 Asia currently has no plans of providing WM6 for current models including XDA Flame. You may wish to refer time and again in the near future to www.seeo2.com for further information on the devices with Windows Mobile 6.
Please inform me of any other assistance that you may require. I wish you success in your future endeavours.
Sincerely,
Judith Taan
O2 Technical Support (Email)
Asia Pacific Region
SACODE: jutaan#
For full listing of retail outlets and information on the latest products,
please visit http://www.seeo2.com
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This is some idiot who is responding from O2.
Today wm6 for zinc has been announced, check out msmobiles / seeo2.com for details.
I think flame is the flagship model of the company and they will surely release wm6 for it.
Reply from O2 Asia Pacific
Dear Flame Users,
I'm using XDA flame and whoever posted that reply tried to discourage Flame users.
Because i got an offical reply from O2 that they are currently testing Flame upgrade and will release soon
i got following message from O2
kindly note that O2 has a policy of testing new software and applications thoroughly to ensure that potential faults and issues are mitigated so that the customer experience and enjoyment of the new device is not affected. As a result, we are conducting rigorous tests on Windows Mobile 6 with the unique O2 applications and other software intended for the Xda Flame. Customers can expect to an announcement on the availability of Windows Mobile 6 upgrades for the Xda Flame in the near future.
Hope this information is useful. Thank You.
Warmest Regards,
Joanne Goh
O2 Technical Support (Email)
Asia Pacific Region
SACODE: jgoh#
For full listing of retail outlets and information on the latest products,
please visit http://www.seeo2.com
I'm using XDA Zinc ... and prior to wm 6.0 launched, I asked O2 about the upcoming wm 6.0 but they answered exactly like the one posted above that they were not providing wm 6.0 for zinc ... but guess what now they have it ...
I guess it is standard answer for someone that asked about availability of wm 6.0 ... i believe wm 6.0 will be available for flame also ... just wait patiently ... after all it is the current flagship of o2 ...
From the information above, some may conlude that O2 would finally release the WM6 rom, just as I do. Actually I think, maybe there're still something imperfect of the WM6 drivers for the indepent graphic card in FLAME, so it is still being tested time and again.
Nowadays, I noticed in a Chinese online shopping website, that they have the unique FLAME to sold with WM6(simplified Chinese edition)!!!
http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/0/item_detail-0db2-7bbf4068423ebb333ff1cd39fb0804c1.jhtml
I wonder where they got it, is that a signal? Oh, the seller also claim that they have a forum which is the official one of O2(www.iio2.com).
NOT ADs! cauz I'm not quite believe that.
solaluna said:
From the information above, some may conlude that O2 would finally release the WM6 rom, just as I do. Actually I think, maybe there're still something imperfect of the WM6 drivers for the indepent graphic card in FLAME, so it is still being tested time and again.
Nowadays, I noticed in a Chinese online shopping website, that they have the unique FLAME to sold with WM6(simplified Chinese edition)!!!
http://auction1.taobao.com/auction/0/item_detail-0db2-7bbf4068423ebb333ff1cd39fb0804c1.jhtml
I wonder where they got it, is that a signal? Oh, the seller also claim that they have a forum which is the official one of O2(www.iio2.com).
NOT ADs! cauz I'm not quite believe that.
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Actually, this is truth. WM6 Chinese version are published already
danny3358 said:
Actually, this is truth. WM6 Chinese version are published already
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I looked around that website-iio2, and found that it is not an official verison, as it is replanted from D900. Amazing! But I guess there is not a proper driver for the independent graphic card in this version.