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O2 in "possibly got it right with IIs" shock

So the IIs's (what IS the plural of IIs??) arrived today so serious playi.... er ... product familiarisation has begun.
First off, the colour of the O2 version is very nice (I think the II is looking old fashioned already). The case is ok (I'm not a case fan, I prefer to just lug it around in my pocket).
The keyboard is probably far too fiddly to ever get used by my normal sized pinkies but the blue backlight means that it will look good next to my PS2 even without BT turned on!!!!
The software seems to be up to scratch too, they've even added a decent battery life monitor to the Active and Today screens (The Active screen actually seems fairly usefull this time round!). Not had much of a play with the additional software, apart from those that came with the latest Xda II ROM upgrade ("phone Alison" ....... why is it dialing Colin??), but the GPRS monitor is a welcome addition.
Now onto what, for me, is the most essential part - WiFi and Bluetooth. Let's not beat around the bush, the II was rubbish for both, only really with the latest ROM was the II capable of anything like decent performance with BT Headsets and still didn't support Handsfree. As for WiFi, I used a Sandisk SD card with my II and it was a pain to connect.
Whilst waiting for the release of the IIs we've been playing with iPaq 4150's which have great BT & WiFi tools that even our execs could use!
*WiFi*
Turned the phone on at home and it immediatly sniffed my network (Linksys router) and asking to connect prompted me for my encryption key followed by faultless connection to the internet. Exxxxcelent
*Bluetooth*
My boss had a Nokia CK-7W carkit fitted a few weeks ago, oh how we laughed when the latest II ROM still rendered the II useless in his car!!!! So it was with slight trepidation that we turned the ignition on only for the IIs to find/bond and work perfectly with the kit at first time of asking.
So all in all I'd say that O2 must have actually been listening to us after all (despite not updating the website FAQ's properly since the original Xda). We have a few very good contacts within O2 and had seen a fair amount of info prior to release and received assurances on the above functionality, but I have to say that I didn't believe it till I saw it all with my own eyes!!
Now for some serious testing to see if it's beauty goes further than skin deep

Re: O2 in "possibly got it right" shock
Nice report
irblinx said:
...("phone Alison" ....... why is it dialing Colin??)...
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:lol: similar experience when my friend was trying out the Fonix voice stuff on his XDA II. We were in stitches at his attempts to phone my mobile (with "Phone Dave Mobile") and it either not understanding or coming up with a suggestion which was hard to see why it thought it sounded like it. It even suggested a number for my friend's expletive of "Oh f**k this" :roll:

lol,fonix is hours of fun for all the family ........... cos it could ring any one of them when you're trying to phone your boss!
The next big test for the IIs will be the built in BT phone kit in the 5 series BMW, hopefully one of our directors will be around today to give it a go.

does the bluetooth in new XDA IIs support audio through your headset?

it would be great if it did, but i doubt it

WiFi / gprs bridging
Can the gprs internet connection be shared out through the WiFi? I'd like my notebook to see it as an access point and use it's network access. Never got this to work with xdaII bluetooth and my powerbook, Apple's BT stack doesn't recognize the widcomm bt "server".
I'll buy one tomorrow if it can bridge the 802.11 and the gprs!

Audio through your headset? not sure what you're wanting it to do here but I'll list the options on the BT new connection Wizard
Hands-free/Headset Setup
ActiveSync
Browse Files on a remote device
Connect to a network
Join a personal network
Exchange Business Cards
Explore a Bluetooth device
As for sharing the GPRS connection via WiFi, it may be possible if you set the connection on the Xda to NOT connect to the internet, otherwise the WiFi settings seem to overide GPRS. Sorry not much help! Couldn't you link them up with BT instead?
GOOD NEWS though
Successfully paired up the IIs with a BMW X5's built in BT phone stuff so it's another tick in the box for O2

Can you hear your MP3's or tomtom voice through your bluetooth headset?

no

irblinx said:
So the IIs's (what IS the plural of IIs??) arrived today so serious playi.... er ... product familiarisation has begun.
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Hi there
great report
just a quick question..........I have been ringing o2 daily to enquire about the arrival and keep getting told that it is 'next week'........where did you get your unit from ?? I tried o2 Salisbury on Thursday and they told me that they hadn't received a release date yet !!
cheers!

The phone is out at o2 now, has been since late Thursday evening. It will not be in the stores until Wed/Thu next week.
just call up and order it. I did

Could somebody with the XDAIIs please post the extended Rom files.

churchwa said:
The phone is out at o2 now, has been since late Thursday evening. It will not be in the stores until Wed/Thu next week.
just call up and order it. I did
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Just rang o2....allegedly it will leave tomorrow for delivery Tuesday !!!
thanks for letting me know !

NP, what sort of a deal did they give you? (If you don't mind me asking?)

xda-rocks said:
Could somebody with the XDAIIs please post the extended Rom files.
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I would also need them... please

I ordered ours through our dedicated o2 business team at the beginning of the week, as our commodity manager sent us the product code when the launch got delayed (internal pakaging problems!). The advantages of working for a big company with a corporate o2 deal!
Price wise we don't do so well on hardware, prob cos we pay next to nothing for line rental, I think they were 350 gbp each (ever noticed how u don't pay as much attention when it's not your money?), all "in contract upgrades". I'll double check when I get to work.
Anyhoo, a big box arrived on Thurs and opening it revealed 11 cool gadgets! Still waiting for the accessories to be released though.
I'll check for the cab file later.

Could somebody with the XDAIIs please post the extended Rom files
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How to do it?

Unlock extRom using the unlock tool attached.
reset device
Browse to the extended rom from your desktop computer and copy the files - zip them up and post them here.

is extended rom unlocker the same for Himalaya and Blue Angel?

It unhides both, but it doesn't unlock the Blue Angel. But you can copy the files out of the extROM once you can see them.

I-Mate PDA2K Campaign

For those who are willing / able.
http://www.clubimate.com/index.asp?PageAction=FORUMS
We are trying to get I-Mate to pay attention to our support needs. Here is my conversation with support this evening:
Brian> Welcome to club i-mate support. My name is Brian, how can I help you today?
Brian> Hi Moriah...
Moriah> I was wondering wehn we would get the bluetooth patch that was promised
Brian> The specific release date is not yet decided but as soon as it is, will be available on our www.clubimate.com website.
Moriah> My headset won't stay connected if the device shuts off. Bluetooth is pretty useless then.
Brian> Please keep a regular check on our www.clubimate.com website for further news and updates on our devices and services.
Moriah> Your reply is a joke.
Moriah> That is what everyone is hearing.
Moriah> Tell my why I should spend $900 on something that does not work as the specs say?
Moriah> How do I return the device for a refund?
Brian> As for the Bluetooth patch, only the first part of it is launched, The second part of the patch is due shortly. The Upgrade and the patch are being tested so as to provide full satisfaction for our users and eliminate the issues prevalent.
Moriah> I have had the device for 2 months now and have heard that already.
Moriah> Can I return it for a refund. It costs to much to not work right.
Moriah> My boyfriend has been trying to return his but the vendor is not replying.
Moriah> Please tell me how to get a refund.
Brian> well you can check with the vendor,from where you bought?
Moriah> Except they are the ones not refunding the money. Overseas Electronics in IL.
Moriah> We had to file a dispute with American Express to try and get a refund.
Moriah> Doesn't IMate warranty their devices?
Brian> we do give warranty on our devices, only if there is any hardware issue or software
Moriah> Well there is obviously an issue if the device does not work with a bluetooth headset as it should right?
Moriah> So does that mean I can get a warranty replacement through you then since mine is defective?
Brian> As of now, our engineers are testing the patches and the upgrades to be released so as to provide a total solution once and for all.
Moriah> So how long am I suppose to go with a device that does not work as stated in the specs before I can get a warranty replacement?
Brian> i would suggest you to wait for few more days...
Moriah> A few more days huh.
Moriah> that is not very specific.
Brian> Yes we can understand....
Moriah> So I will contact support again in 3 days (as what I understand a "few" to mean) and get a warranty then
Moriah> Thanks for the cut and paste answers.
Moriah> You will hear from me soon.
Moriah> Bye.

...I have recieved the same "Cut and paste" type answeres as well....
..guess we can all just keep holding our breath until we are all "blue[tooth]" in the face....
Thanks for nothin, iMATE

I ALSO have noticed...
...when I first load the ClubImate webpage, it will show Tech Support: ONLINE at the top right as usual....
..but once I log in with my username and password, It always switches to OFFLINE.... EVERY TIME!!!
...I believe iMATE has BARRED me from their tech support.....
...GREAT customer service! I have both AT&T and T-Mobile accounts, and was looking at the MDA-Compact/Magician for my second phone- but I think Ill go with another Brand for my other phone if my experience with iMate stays as it is much longer........

Hi
I suspect that the multitude of bugs that the Blue Angel devices suffer from are all the fault of HTC. Individial manufacturers do very little to the core software of the device before shipping. They add their logo's add their own sh1te,buggy software (O2 Active!) and then ship em out in a box with a sleeve & manual that makes the device look like their own.
The delays that Imate are suffering from are HTC's fault, the patch they talk of will come from HTC to Imate and from Imate to you.
The XDAIIs, MDAIII, QTEK9090, blah, blah all have the same issues.
I for one will not buy another device thats made by HTC.
Nigel

veletron said:
I suspect that the multitude of bugs that the Blue Angel devices suffer from are all the fault of HTC.
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I agree completely. Question is, do we as consumers/customers have any way of putting pressure on HTC to fix their problems? If so, then everyone who has a Blue Angel should be putting pressure on them, as well as the company from which it was purchased.
If not, then the only way to get anywhere is to force the 3rd parties like iMate, O2, T-Mobile, Orange, etc. to make HTC fix their problems.

Dear Members,
If you own a PDA2k device and suffer from Bluetooth shortcomings then please check out the following thread at Club i-mate:
http://www.clubimate.com/forums/tm.asp?m=6698
Perhaps the pressure on Carrier Devices would compel it to work harder on the update and to improve its communication with its clients.
Thank you...

EXEC vs MDA PRO

HI all, i know these two are the same devies, but which is better? i have a MDA PRO, my girlfriend has the EXEC, she lives in London now and she just got her EXEC about 2 weeks ago, she only puts in her calender and contacts, and she is complaining that it is freezing. Anyone experienceing this too?

Perhaps she has done the O2 ext-rom install?
This would introduce a world of differences for troubleshooting!
I can say from having had a jasjar, an exec and 5 mda pro's that there is no software difference between them, only casing build quality differences.
And hasn't the exec got that silly antivirus on it people have stated to cause freezes and issues?
Hope it helps somehow,
Joe

wow
wow, how come you have had all those devices, they are all the same. Did they break and u kept buying another? rather expensive to keep buying them. She has decided to call O2, so they are replacing it for her. Thanks. I will try to walk her through removal of the antivirus and things that are not needed.

hee obisoft can you post it how to remove the antivirus
thanks 8)

Antivirus
I believe it should be under programs, i don;t have the device, iw ould have to have her ont he phone and tell her where to go and what she sees. When i get it done, i will let you know.

Jasjar was with a stupid contract through expansys which wouldn't allow data use (and a dodgy hinge), exec I still have (from the 99 pound offer from early Jan), and the MDA's from t-mob as my main contract, but kept having issues such as screens, cameras, keys, metal top sticking out and scratching me etc. I swapped out the MDA for a Vario (wizard) in the end so now I am using both.
I think the AV removal is in add/remove proggies isn't it? If not, search here cos I've seen it a few times.
Joe

There are no AV programs on the Exec, as far as I know. That was on other models?

Anton.Valleyman said:
There are no AV programs on the Exec, as far as I know. That was on other models?
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I do confirm Anton's statement: There is no AntiVirus program on the EXEC.

The AV is on the JasJar. All their devices get this dodgy useless AV that you can uninstall right away.
Interesting thing about the Exec freezing, as I have two of them, both installed in corporate mode. One I use as my "production" device and that has got only the software I really use. I hardly soft-reset it and it is very stable, even if I've got 40+ programs installed.
The second one I use for dev, test and trials and has got loads of things installed and that one freezes all the time.
My point then is: If installed in corporate mode and not having any dodgy software, the Exec can ve very stable. The O2 Active UI that installs if you choose the default option is also terribly unstable and should be avoided.

Where's my SatNav software? Just upgraded to Orbit...it should be here?!?!

Hi,
Am I missing something here? Just upgraded to xda Orbit. All working lovely jubbley.
But....no SatNav software (CoPilot I think should come free with it). There's nothing in the box except the usual stuff....unless I'm being really stupid and it's right under my nose?!?! Where should it be??!?!
Anyone? Or am I not entitled to the free software as I am not a new customer?
Any light shed most appreciated.

I think o2 only gave away Copilot on the higher tariffs, otherwise you had to pay for it.

Possibly, but I'm on £50 / month.
Plus it says nothing about it on the website: https://shop.o2.co.uk/phone/O2/Xda_Orbit_-_Sat_Nav
Have they just forgotten to put it in the pack? Should it come in the normal box or in a seperate box?
Anyone know?

HPJ said:
Possibly, but I'm on £50 / month.
Plus it says nothing about it on the website: https://shop.o2.co.uk/phone/O2/Xda_Orbit_-_Sat_Nav
Have they just forgotten to put it in the pack? Should it come in the normal box or in a seperate box?
Anyone know?
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Its not preinstalled on your memory card is it?

No....but have found an answer.
Looked on another forum and saw posts detailing NO CoPilot software unless you order online.
I am an o2 select customer (as most are I think anyway....) so used the phone to upgrade.
Well unhappy about this, but then again, I love a good argument (esp with o2), so watch this space, will have my free software by the end of tomorrow if it kills me!!
Thanks for any help given, and if anyone has any ideas about how to get this freakin software it would be most appreciated.

HPJ said:
Possibly, but I'm on £50 / month.
Plus it says nothing about it on the website: https://shop.o2.co.uk/phone/O2/Xda_Orbit_-_Sat_Nav
Have they just forgotten to put it in the pack? Should it come in the normal box or in a seperate box?
Anyone know?
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They send it out separately so may arrive in the next few days. But if I was you I'd ring them up and find out for sure. On a £50 tariff you're definitely entitled to a free Copilt. The Copilot pack should include memory card, CD, car charger and car mount.

Great, thanks for the heads up! Think I will go easy on them at first then!!

HPJ said:
Looked on another forum and saw posts detailing NO CoPilot software unless you order online.
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Not quite true. Online gave away copilot on any tariff, but have now changed to the same as the high street where you get it free on the higher tariffs only. Ring them and get it sorted.

I upgraded over the phone but am an online customer (billing done online as opposed to paper statements sent thru the post each month). I got everything bundled into 1 box, should be 1 o2 branded box for the phone and a separate one for the Co-Pilot stuff.

Spoke to o2 this morning. Apparently I am eligible for the CoPilot, however o2 had neglected to order it....no surprise really.
Anyway, its on order and will be with me shortly...again, apparently....!!
Will keep you update,
Thanks.

Many thanks...due to this topic I called O2 and suprise suprise they found the Co-Pilot software in the store I should have got free. Went straight down and got it....thanks for the info.
Eoin

Had a right nightmare upgrading mine with O2 over the phone mate.
After the usual yes you will give me what I want conversation I got em to agree to including the copilot and the handset for free.
Phone turns up...... no copilot anywere.
Call to customer services, "no notes saying its included sir"
"well I suggest you listen to the call" I said. "I wanna speak to the bloke who upgraded me (insert time date and name of operator) "
He calls me back, makes his appologies and explains he's sending it out today. Turns up next day, on a MINI SD Card!!!!!
Called back (again) explaining the problem, rather miffed by now. "only one I can order " he says
(Me banging my head against the wall icon)
Finally get him to send me a Free Micro SD card to put it on, principle really as I'd already ordered a 2GB one
Just shows how sometimes the operators haven't got a clue! rant over LOL

Everyone be calm...I have received my CoPilot.....everyone can now relax!!
Only joking, but yes it is here.
So, in summary, o2 need a hefty nudge now and again. But we all knew that, didn't we?! If you ain't got your free software, a few well placed calls will do the trick.
End of thread methinks. Thanks for your help.

Anyone want to buy a Blueangel ?

Hi guys, i have 2 Blueangels, in fact orange M2000's.
Both work but the first one doesnt get a signal in the UK as it was blocked when i lost it.
The second one was the insurance replacement.
Both are good condition, by memory the newer one probly has WM6 or something installed on it, i think the older one has 2003 still. Cant remember. I can check.
I have 1 cradle between them, and 3 batteries.
I always planned on just holding on to them, but i never use them. I just cant find the time to keep up with all the individual forums for all my phones. I also have the following phones that i dont really use if anyone is interested
2 Blueangels (obviously)
1 Universal
2 Tytn
1 Trinity
1 Treo 750
1 Kaiser
1 I780
I am open to offers on all of these but the more recent ones i might not sell. Anyone wants any give me a shout.
Cheers
Rob

I'm from VietNam, How to buy ?

I will take in the usa. how much for shipping and phone ? are they unlocked? ill give 300
please email me at [email protected] if intrested.

Hi guys, thanks for the replies. The I780 and the Kaiser i may be holding on to for a bit. The others i will sell if people want them for the right money.
I would also prefer to sell the phones individually as well, sorry should have made that more clear. The blueangels could go together though as i only have one charger and such like.
Shipping abroad, hmm, that is a good question. I must confess i hadnt really thought this through. I could ship abroad but i would have thought by the time the shipping was added on then it might not be worth it.
Anyone want any of these as individual items ? especially the Blueangels, i may put some posts in the other device forums about the others as well.
I will look into shipping costs.